Is non theism mindless?
Is non theism mindless?
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AustinNdyetabula
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Ishmael, I don't know you, and you don't know me, but I do respect you. As much as i don't agree with your ideas, i have to say that your passion is inspired. We could trade words for days and neither one of us will have changed their stance. I, therefore, suggest we agree to disagree so as we don't resort to petty insults as i've seen happen in this very thread.
Thanks for the opportunity to showcase my views, as much as you wouldn't agree with them; this is the first time i've been open about my beliefs to anyone but a few select friends.:smiling:
Thanks for the opportunity to showcase my views, as much as you wouldn't agree with them; this is the first time i've been open about my beliefs to anyone but a few select friends.:smiling:
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Mzuvendi
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I answered Nkwesa and all suddenly I receive unrelated reply from you. Are you two in one?
Nkwesa Makambo
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We are one in Our Lord Jesus.
Personally i believe God EXIST.Since iv bn reading the bible i realized God is the Master of nature .There is so much power in nature.Even th bible says if we do not want to honor him even th trees and stones will.I do believe he exist bcoz watever i ask in his name i receive.When i do meditation i feel his presence around me.BUT i dont believe in religion.
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Ive counted 3 IDs related to your friend. The problem is, he is very sloppy and he thinks people dont see.
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Take it easy AustinNdyetabula, you don't want to believe and I'll respect you for that. There is truth in the word and I believe it. If you want to find fault, go right ahead. You don't get points for looking without really wanting answers.
FYI: God self-exists. This means that God exists without beginning in time as the uncaused prime cause of all things that exist contingently (having a beginning to their existence).
This does not mean God is self-created. Self creation is irrational. Something would have to exist before it exists to self-create.
You need to remember that Self-existence is rationally NECESSARY and not optional, since something exists, rather than nothing.
Why? Because if absolute nothing existed, what would exist now? That's right - nothing. Nothingness cannot cause something to begin existence. Yet, something exists now. Therefore something necessarily always existed (eternally) as the causal prime of all things that begin to exist.
Most atheists ask, well why can't the Universe be that self-existent something? The short answer is that the Universe began to exist, so it cannot possibly have existed eternally in the past.
Non theists don't follow science. There is nothing scientific about non theism.
Science and belief in God are perfectly compatible. Non theism is incompatible with reason.
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AustinNdyetabula
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Ishmael, I tried to be the bigger person and end this argument,but you insist on drawing it further on. I frankly don't want to debate a person who started a discussion solely for the purpose of putting down their opponent. It is clear from the way the topic is worded that you are strongly against non-theists, and that's not how intelligent arguments should work.You can't ask, "Is non theism mindless?", and then refuse all arguments for the other side? You have started a thread not to learn and understand, but to bully and persecute.
It is theists that are mindless given that they grew up getting religion, and the concept of a god, shoved down their throats. Non-theists have to go against the norm and face criticism from people like you. I'm 18yrs old, and live in a family that never misses a church gathering. I have been forced to go to sunday mass my whole life, and have had all the rites performed upon me. I reached a stage in my life where i started questioning whether the concept of a god could hold water, needless to say, it didn't. I, therefore, reasoned against all of my training as a catholic to become a self-identified anti-theist.
Non theism is nothing but scientific. Theism and science are only compatible if they are forced together. I believe in humanity's ability to create its own destiny; there is not celestial being controlling the outcome of the world as if its some board game.
It is theists that are mindless given that they grew up getting religion, and the concept of a god, shoved down their throats. Non-theists have to go against the norm and face criticism from people like you. I'm 18yrs old, and live in a family that never misses a church gathering. I have been forced to go to sunday mass my whole life, and have had all the rites performed upon me. I reached a stage in my life where i started questioning whether the concept of a god could hold water, needless to say, it didn't. I, therefore, reasoned against all of my training as a catholic to become a self-identified anti-theist.
Non theism is nothing but scientific. Theism and science are only compatible if they are forced together. I believe in humanity's ability to create its own destiny; there is not celestial being controlling the outcome of the world as if its some board game.
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Mtumishi,
Nimesoma hii post yako na imenifurahisha sana,nimecheka na kujifunza kwa wakati mmoja
Barikiwa sana mtumishi ....!!
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One of the qualities of believing in God is to be an upright man. Seemingly, this fellow has forgotten that.
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Eiyer
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Kila mmoja ni mwalimu na kila mmoja ni mwanafunzi .....!
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Where's your arguments and evidence? ...
To be more precise, it is you who is agaisnt God and not me. I am on the positive side and you are on the negative. Who who is against God between THEISTS and NON THEISTS?
Obviously, you can't prove your non theist belief. You can't even provide arguments or evidence to justify your belief. Non theism is mindless.
You made my point for me.
Come back when you can be honest about your mindless faith.
God is not a concept, that is why you are mindless. Prove to me that God is a concept.
Let me help you here. Can you tell us those questions you have against and or about God? Mention them here.
Non theists don't follow science. There is nothing scientific about non theism.
Science and belief in God are perfectly compatible. Non theism is incompatible with reason.
If non theism is scientific, kindly explain the following:
Explain how QM escapes causal necessity?
Explain how QM models the real world? Which interpretation?
Explain why anyone should believe classical space and time is not a real feature of the universe?
AustinNdyetabula
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Atheism isn't a faith. You can't have faith in nothing. I do on the other hand have faith in humanity.
God is a construction of our imaginations, something theists hope is true, so that their lives have purpose, so that they have something to look forward to. It's a safety blanket for those who can't face the idea of death's finality. When you die, there's nothing, your body degrades, and that's all that happens. Ishmael, that scares you, and its why you are so passionately defending a sinking ship.
God is a concept because, as i've said, all evidence towards him/she/it/them is circumstantial; it can all be explained by something else.
Just because QM is not easily explained does not mean that its because its god! QM is the one and only aspect of science and mathematics that even indirectly suggests a god. The only one! Yet you come here with your overly inflated head, simply because you watched a few youtube videos on the matter, and act like a superior! I strongly doubt that you are a physicist, yet you lord the QM topic as though you had a vital part in its conception!
Put yourself down a few pegs, we are clearly just as wise about the matters of the universe. Neither one of us can conclusively say the other is wrong. You don't know anything that i don't know. Therefore, don''t act like the authority on god. Learn to be a little open-minded, you learn more that way.
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