Is non theism mindless?

Is non theism mindless?

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
Ngoja nikwambie kitu, an argument from ignorance is arguing God exists because not proven false, and that is obviously what we are not doing here. Also, it is a matter of logic and inferring. There is no reason to assume logic is about space-matter-time. That is absurd.
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What is Logic ? Where logic come from ? How do you measure it ?
 
Ngoja tunaabudu mizimu tuwaangalie tu nyie wasomi na wajua dini za kimapokeo pyuuuuuuuuuu!!!!
 
phill said:
Ngoja tunaabudu mizimu tuwaangalie tu nyie wasomi na wajua dini za kimapokeo pyuuuuuuuuuu!!!!
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Halafu wenyewe kuongea ki english wanaona ndio wanajuua mapimbi
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
teh teh teh Cureone wenzio wote wamekimbia, wewe bado upo..!!
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Hakuna aliyekimbia, ni swala la kupanga vema matumizi ya muda. Itafika muda wengine wataendelea nami nitaendelea na majukumu mengine lakini si kwamba nitakuwa nimekimbia Mkuu.
Pole Sana
 
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Anheuser said:
Good.

So, what cause did God begin from?
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God doesn't begin. The Universe began,

If you are too lame to get the crystal clear logic, that's your fault - not mine.

In fact self-existence without beginning is rationally NECESSARY. Something must be prime. Something beginning from nothing is irrational.
 
Cureone said:
Neurons zimegusana kichwani, hakuna wa kuzicontrol ingekuwa unamwona Ishmael ungemlenga mshale shoga wewe
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Hiyo ndio tabia yao wanapo shindwa na kunyesha mindless zao. Hayo kwa sio matusi bali ndio wanachokifanya behind closed doors.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
still missing the point. The point of the "who caused God", rebuttal, is a rhetorical question describing that an external being is simply moving the goal post out into some intangible realm, where one cannot even reason to exist in the first place. To say "MUNGU yupo,na haitaji kuhakikishwa" Doesnt say anything that is valuable to a discussion of origins. Its incredulously circular..!!
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Nope, logic demands that anything that BEGINS to exist requires a cause to explain it's existence. Something cannot come from nothing.

The Creator has no beginning. No Creator is required.

The Universe began to exist. A Creator is required.

You still have no argument.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
naamini Mungu yupo lakini pamoja na kuamini usinilitee weak points,nitazikataa tu. Ni lazima ufahamu ukijadili masuala ya kiimani kwa majibizano hutapata majibu. Nitaendelea kutoa mawazo hadi pale mtakaponihitaji kuelezea juu ya uwepo wa Mungu.
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God has no beginning or need for a cause. God is Prime.
We know from logic that something (exactly one thing) must self-exist without a cause

The Universe (Time, space and Matter) began to exist. The Universe requires a cause.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
Ngoja nikwambie kitu, an argument from ignorance is arguing God exists because not proven false, and that is obviously what we are not doing here. Also, it is a matter of logic and inferring. There is no reason to assume logic is about space-matter-time. That is absurd.
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You are trying desperately to find the appearance of problem where none exists - to avoid the force of logic.

"So,... by your own logic, for your chosen deity to actually exist, he must also have have a creator or a cause for his existence, because nothing can just pop into being without there being a creator, right?"

FALSE AGAIN. God doesn't "pop into existence". God did not begin. God has never not existed.

Since all of your accusations were proven false, I'll await your apology. Of course, that will never happen since non theists are too prideful and dishonest to admit error.
 
Ishmael said:

Defining non theism as something other than a position that God doesn't exist is just dishonest sophistry. Non theism is not a psychological condition of lacking belief - it is the position that God does not exist.

You can't engage, much less refute, my arguments and evidences.
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Sir;

It isn't too late to start retaking your medication. I have posted one post, you have answered me twice. It doesn't make sense.

With regard to the subject at hand, I believe you are confused and more importantly you aren't helping your own religion. Non theism covers a range of scenarios and what you have just described is a part of it, not the only one. It seems to me that your world is divided between those believe that God exists and those who don't.

The truth is a third of the world population believes in something else other than your God. They have their own deities. In the case that an individual from this population decides to take a position that his or her deity doesn't exist, by definition the individual is a non-theist too. Would you call this individual mindless?


Believing the existence of God isn't an argument or evidence. So there's nothing to engage or refute.
 
Mzuvendi said:
Sir;

It isn't too late to start retaking your medication. I have posted one post, you have answered me twice. It doesn't make sense.

With regard to the subject at hand, I believe you are confused and more importantly you aren't helping your own religion. Non theism covers a range of scenarios and what you have just described is a part of it, not the only one. It seems to me that your world is divided between those believe that God exists and those who don't.

The truth is a third of the world population believes in something else other than your God. They have their own deities. In the case that an individual from this population decides to take a position that his or her deity doesn't exist, by definition the individual is a non-theist too. Would you call this individual mindless?


Believing the existence of God isn't an argument or evidence. So there's nothing to engage or refute.
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You got spanked by the evidence. You can't engage them either, much less refute them. You are just as frustrated and silly as Dirk
 
Ishmael said:
You got spanked by the evidence. You can't engage them either, much less refute them. You are just as frustrated and silly as Dirk
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People can't refute or attempt to refute void statements.
 
Ishmael said:

Nope, logic demands that anything that BEGINS to exist requires a cause to explain it's existence. Something cannot come from nothing.

The Creator has no beginning. No Creator is required.

The Universe began to exist. A Creator is required.

You still have no argument.
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Hawezi kuelewa haipo katika aliyokaririshwa...
 
Mzuvendi said:
Sir;

It isn't too late to start retaking your medication. I have posted one post, you have answered me twice. It doesn't make sense.

With regard to the subject at hand, I believe you are confused and more importantly you aren't helping your own religion. Non theism covers a range of scenarios and what you have just described is a part of it, not the only one. It seems to me that your world is divided between those believe that God exists and those who don't.

The truth is a third of the world population believes in something else other than your God. They have their own deities. In the case that an individual from this population decides to take a position that his or her deity doesn't exist, by definition the individual is a non-theist too. Would you call this individual mindless?


Believing the existence of God isn't an argument or evidence. So there's nothing to engage or refute.
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Anakupa za chembe waona nyotanyota Tu...
 
Cureone said:
Hawezi kuelewa haipo katika aliyokaririshwa...
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Hawa mindless kids, wanajifanya wanajua logic halafu wanakwepa kuitumia katika majibu yako. Truly, non theists are brainless, to wit
 
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