What is Kenya supposed to be worried about?? I ask as a powerhoise for blwhat and no one replied.
Is Tanzania ousting Kenya as East Africa's powerhouse?
Is Tanzania ousting Kenya as East Africa's powerhouse?
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Kambalanick
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We should just wait, I don't know how arguing will stop anything.
Nchi zenye kutoa mafuta mengi wanafanya jitihada watoke kwenye utegemezi wa mafuta cc huku tunaongelea mafuta 2018. Nitajie nchi gani Africa wamekombolewa na mafuta? Tanzania ina kila kitu kwanini tutegemee pipeline ya UG? Tatizo liko katika mifumo yetu ya kiuchumi.
collinss
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You're right, the odds have always been against Kenya but Kenya always leads.
Talk about loosing, our economy is not under recession, Tz's economy is expanding a percentage faster than Kenya, that doesn't mean we are loosing, even SA economy is expanding at about 1% but they are still ahead.
Lakini huo wimbo wa 'tutawapita' ni kama tutausikia mpaka na remix za wajukuu wenu.
NairobiWalker
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Dude, which school did you go to? There's a big difference between functional literacy and level of education. Most countries have a functional literacy of over 90% and even the most educated country can't have a functional literacy double that of the least educated country. To break it down to your sorry ass brain, functional literacy is simply the ability to read and write. The level of education however is a who different thing which may involve statistics on percentage of population with a primary school education, high school education, college diploma, university degree, PHD, professors etc. My uneducated friend, the functional literacy of Kenya is just a few points higher than Tz, but functional literacy is not important - the number of Kenyans with university degrees for instance is more than four times that of Tanzanians with the same. I hope now you understand why they say Kenya is more educated than Tz.
MK254
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You've broken it down so well, wow!
I am not talking about literacy rate. I am referring to tertiary educated population. Hapo ndiyo Kenya still has a lead over Tanzania but the gap is reducing though very slowly.
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Am insisting that Kenya is on loosing side in this battle even though you are ahead of the race but as we go on turning rounds given the speeds,eventually the true winner gonna be known.This comes from the simple classical economics of return to scale argument, which translates this way- TZN economy is increasing at increasing rate(higher returns) against Kenyan which is increasing at decreasing rate(diminishing returns).It is just the matter of time factor,lets wait time will tell
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As a region we should all be celebrating the 'new' Tanzania
By: ALLAN BRIAN SSENYONGA
PUBLISHED: May 22, 2016
These are very interesting times for those who enjoy following events concerning the East African region.
Although the region has five countries with South Sudan slowly making its way as the sixth, a lot of focus remains around Rwanda, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania.
Rwanda always has a good story, while in Tanzania everything President Magufuli does is news. Kenya and Uganda have enough political drama to last decades so news stories from there are never in short supply. Burundi seems to have gone off the radar with the solving of its political crisis taking on a snail speed.
What I found more interesting is the sudden panic that some Kenyans are expressing after learning that Uganda has decided to work with Tanzania regarding the issue of an oil pipeline from Hoima to the coast and that Rwanda is now looking at the Standard Gauge Railway that will connect them to the Tanzanian coast as opposed to the one going all the way to Kenya.
According to the voices online that I have seen, some Kenyans are interpreting this as the rise of Tanzania and the fall of Kenya as far as dominance of East Africa as a region is concerned. They argue that Tanzania has woken up and gotten its act together while Kenya is being held back by massive corruption and complacency from being the dominant economic power for ages.
This is obviously an interesting turn of events but I do not see why anyone should be very worried about it. Starting from a historical perspective, we need to remember that the economic gap between Kenya and Tanzania is essentially what led to the collapse of the original East African Community and so any kind of balance between the two countries should be treated as good news.
Uganda added fuel to the collapse when Idi Amin overthrew Nyerere’s buddy, Milton Obote. Tanzania quickly became a base for anti-Amin groups and therefore there was no way the community could hold for long under such a situation. However the economic imbalance is what made it most unstable.
Now that Tanzania seems to be getting its act together, I fail to understand why some Kenyans would be worried since this means the community as a whole will now be stronger. I know my Kenyan brothers and sisters enjoy their dominance in the region are never shy about it. We shop from their supermarkets, use their Kenya Airways (rather painfully) and even use their buses for cross border trips.
Also geographically, Rwanda and Burundi ought to be relying on Tanzania’s ports. Their use of Kenyan ports should only be seen as a desperate situation that needs to be corrected. Therefore a shift towards Tanzania is a natural one for a country like Rwanda. Kenya will still be dominant and do business with Rwanda and Uganda.
At this moment we should all be focusing on how to fix our economies and grow them big enough to take on neighbours like Ethiopia, SADC countries and DRC. Instead of worrying about the fate of the Kenyan Standard Gauge Railway we should all be thinking of what more we can produce to ensure that the railway from Kenya and the one from Tanzania are all kept busy.
This growth should happen in many other sectors that Kenya has dominated for ages. Tourism is a good example. When the sector improves in other East African communities then we are in a better position to market the whole region as a single destination. Let us all put in our fair share of work to see a more prosperous East African Community.
Ironically, the same people who are always complaining that Tanzania is slow are the ones now expressing worry over developments in Tanzania. I often prefer to be optimistic. With a pipeline from Uganda to Tanga in Tanzania and a Standard Gauge Railway connecting Rwanda, Burundi and DRC, Tanzania will certainly have more reason to dedicate more time and resources to the EAC project as opposed to focusing on the Southern African Development Community (SADC).
This is not the time for sibling rivalry but a time for all of us to fold our sleeves and get to work. As an East African I am very sure that a better Tanzania is good news for every other East African. So Kenyans should stop whining and get back to making East African great again, if I can borrow a phrase from an infamous person right now.
By: ALLAN BRIAN SSENYONGA
PUBLISHED: May 22, 2016
These are very interesting times for those who enjoy following events concerning the East African region.
Although the region has five countries with South Sudan slowly making its way as the sixth, a lot of focus remains around Rwanda, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania.
Rwanda always has a good story, while in Tanzania everything President Magufuli does is news. Kenya and Uganda have enough political drama to last decades so news stories from there are never in short supply. Burundi seems to have gone off the radar with the solving of its political crisis taking on a snail speed.
What I found more interesting is the sudden panic that some Kenyans are expressing after learning that Uganda has decided to work with Tanzania regarding the issue of an oil pipeline from Hoima to the coast and that Rwanda is now looking at the Standard Gauge Railway that will connect them to the Tanzanian coast as opposed to the one going all the way to Kenya.
According to the voices online that I have seen, some Kenyans are interpreting this as the rise of Tanzania and the fall of Kenya as far as dominance of East Africa as a region is concerned. They argue that Tanzania has woken up and gotten its act together while Kenya is being held back by massive corruption and complacency from being the dominant economic power for ages.
This is obviously an interesting turn of events but I do not see why anyone should be very worried about it. Starting from a historical perspective, we need to remember that the economic gap between Kenya and Tanzania is essentially what led to the collapse of the original East African Community and so any kind of balance between the two countries should be treated as good news.
Uganda added fuel to the collapse when Idi Amin overthrew Nyerere’s buddy, Milton Obote. Tanzania quickly became a base for anti-Amin groups and therefore there was no way the community could hold for long under such a situation. However the economic imbalance is what made it most unstable.
Now that Tanzania seems to be getting its act together, I fail to understand why some Kenyans would be worried since this means the community as a whole will now be stronger. I know my Kenyan brothers and sisters enjoy their dominance in the region are never shy about it. We shop from their supermarkets, use their Kenya Airways (rather painfully) and even use their buses for cross border trips.
Also geographically, Rwanda and Burundi ought to be relying on Tanzania’s ports. Their use of Kenyan ports should only be seen as a desperate situation that needs to be corrected. Therefore a shift towards Tanzania is a natural one for a country like Rwanda. Kenya will still be dominant and do business with Rwanda and Uganda.
At this moment we should all be focusing on how to fix our economies and grow them big enough to take on neighbours like Ethiopia, SADC countries and DRC. Instead of worrying about the fate of the Kenyan Standard Gauge Railway we should all be thinking of what more we can produce to ensure that the railway from Kenya and the one from Tanzania are all kept busy.
This growth should happen in many other sectors that Kenya has dominated for ages. Tourism is a good example. When the sector improves in other East African communities then we are in a better position to market the whole region as a single destination. Let us all put in our fair share of work to see a more prosperous East African Community.
Ironically, the same people who are always complaining that Tanzania is slow are the ones now expressing worry over developments in Tanzania. I often prefer to be optimistic. With a pipeline from Uganda to Tanga in Tanzania and a Standard Gauge Railway connecting Rwanda, Burundi and DRC, Tanzania will certainly have more reason to dedicate more time and resources to the EAC project as opposed to focusing on the Southern African Development Community (SADC).
This is not the time for sibling rivalry but a time for all of us to fold our sleeves and get to work. As an East African I am very sure that a better Tanzania is good news for every other East African. So Kenyans should stop whining and get back to making East African great again, if I can borrow a phrase from an infamous person right now.
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Yes, it does!
Towashi wa 2
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Very nice and logical expression from Brian.EAC as an economic block should keep on setting up mutual beneficial projects that will integrate our nations rather than competing each other otherwise EAC wont make sense.Hese the problem is to kenyans who want to use the block as a harvesting farm without taking into account the gains to partners thus why we in TZN shall be catious with these hypocratic kenyans
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As a region we should all be celebrating the 'new' Tanzania
By: Allan Brian Ssenyonga
These are very interesting times for those who enjoy following events concerning the East African region.
Although the region has five countries with South Sudan slowly making its way as the sixth, a lot of focus remains around Rwanda, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania.
Rwanda always has a good story, while in Tanzania everything President Magufuli does is news. Kenya and Uganda have enough political drama to last decades so news stories from there are never in short supply. Burundi seems to have gone off the radar with the solving of its political crisis taking on a snail speed.
What I found more interesting is the sudden panic that some Kenyans are expressing after learning that Uganda has decided to work with Tanzania regarding the issue of an oil pipeline from Hoima to the coast and that Rwanda is now looking at the Standard Gauge Railway that will connect them to the Tanzanian coast as opposed to the one going all the way to Kenya.
According to the voices online that I have seen, some Kenyans are interpreting this as the rise of Tanzania and the fall of Kenya as far as dominance of East Africa as a region is concerned. They argue that Tanzania has woken up and gotten its act together while Kenya is being held back by massive corruption and complacency from being the dominant economic power for ages.
This is obviously an interesting turn of events but I do not see why anyone should be very worried about it. Starting from a historical perspective, we need to remember that the economic gap between Kenya and Tanzania is essentially what led to the collapse of the original East African Community and so any kind of balance between the two countries should be treated as good news.
Uganda added fuel to the collapse when Idi Amin overthrew Nyerere’s buddy, Milton Obote. Tanzania quickly became a base for anti-Amin groups and therefore there was no way the community could hold for long under such a situation. However the economic imbalance is what made it most unstable.
Now that Tanzania seems to be getting its act together, I fail to understand why some Kenyans would be worried since this means the community as a whole will now be stronger. I know my Kenyan brothers and sisters enjoy their dominance in the region are never shy about it. We shop from their supermarkets, use their Kenya Airways (rather painfully) and even use their buses for cross border trips.
Also geographically, Rwanda and Burundi ought to be relying on Tanzania’s ports. Their use of Kenyan ports should only be seen as a desperate situation that needs to be corrected. Therefore a shift towards Tanzania is a natural one for a country like Rwanda. Kenya will still be dominant and do business with Rwanda and Uganda.
At this moment we should all be focusing on how to fix our economies and grow them big enough to take on neighbours like Ethiopia, SADC countries and DRC. Instead of worrying about the fate of the Kenyan Standard Gauge Railway we should all be thinking of what more we can produce to ensure that the railway from Kenya and the one from Tanzania are all kept busy.
This growth should happen in many other sectors that Kenya has dominated for ages. Tourism is a good example. When the sector improves in other East African communities then we are in a better position to market the whole region as a single destination. Let us all put in our fair share of work to see a more prosperous East African Community.
Ironically, the same people who are always complaining that Tanzania is slow are the ones now expressing worry over developments in Tanzania. I often prefer to be optimistic. With a pipeline from Uganda to Tanga in Tanzania and a Standard Gauge Railway connecting Rwanda, Burundi and DRC, Tanzania will certainly have more reason to dedicate more time and resources to the EAC project as opposed to focusing on the Southern African Development Community (SADC).
This is not the time for sibling rivalry but a time for all of us to fold our sleeves and get to work. As an East African I am very sure that a better Tanzania is good news for every other East African. So Kenyans should stop whining and get back to making East African great again, if I can borrow a phrase from an infamous person right now.
As a region we should all be celebrating the 'new' Tanzania
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By: Allan Brian Ssenyonga
These are very interesting times for those who enjoy following events concerning the East African region.
Although the region has five countries with South Sudan slowly making its way as the sixth, a lot of focus remains around Rwanda, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania.
Rwanda always has a good story, while in Tanzania everything President Magufuli does is news. Kenya and Uganda have enough political drama to last decades so news stories from there are never in short supply. Burundi seems to have gone off the radar with the solving of its political crisis taking on a snail speed.
What I found more interesting is the sudden panic that some Kenyans are expressing after learning that Uganda has decided to work with Tanzania regarding the issue of an oil pipeline from Hoima to the coast and that Rwanda is now looking at the Standard Gauge Railway that will connect them to the Tanzanian coast as opposed to the one going all the way to Kenya.
According to the voices online that I have seen, some Kenyans are interpreting this as the rise of Tanzania and the fall of Kenya as far as dominance of East Africa as a region is concerned. They argue that Tanzania has woken up and gotten its act together while Kenya is being held back by massive corruption and complacency from being the dominant economic power for ages.
This is obviously an interesting turn of events but I do not see why anyone should be very worried about it. Starting from a historical perspective, we need to remember that the economic gap between Kenya and Tanzania is essentially what led to the collapse of the original East African Community and so any kind of balance between the two countries should be treated as good news.
Uganda added fuel to the collapse when Idi Amin overthrew Nyerere’s buddy, Milton Obote. Tanzania quickly became a base for anti-Amin groups and therefore there was no way the community could hold for long under such a situation. However the economic imbalance is what made it most unstable.
Now that Tanzania seems to be getting its act together, I fail to understand why some Kenyans would be worried since this means the community as a whole will now be stronger. I know my Kenyan brothers and sisters enjoy their dominance in the region are never shy about it. We shop from their supermarkets, use their Kenya Airways (rather painfully) and even use their buses for cross border trips.
Also geographically, Rwanda and Burundi ought to be relying on Tanzania’s ports. Their use of Kenyan ports should only be seen as a desperate situation that needs to be corrected. Therefore a shift towards Tanzania is a natural one for a country like Rwanda. Kenya will still be dominant and do business with Rwanda and Uganda.
At this moment we should all be focusing on how to fix our economies and grow them big enough to take on neighbours like Ethiopia, SADC countries and DRC. Instead of worrying about the fate of the Kenyan Standard Gauge Railway we should all be thinking of what more we can produce to ensure that the railway from Kenya and the one from Tanzania are all kept busy.
This growth should happen in many other sectors that Kenya has dominated for ages. Tourism is a good example. When the sector improves in other East African communities then we are in a better position to market the whole region as a single destination. Let us all put in our fair share of work to see a more prosperous East African Community.
Ironically, the same people who are always complaining that Tanzania is slow are the ones now expressing worry over developments in Tanzania. I often prefer to be optimistic. With a pipeline from Uganda to Tanga in Tanzania and a Standard Gauge Railway connecting Rwanda, Burundi and DRC, Tanzania will certainly have more reason to dedicate more time and resources to the EAC project as opposed to focusing on the Southern African Development Community (SADC).
This is not the time for sibling rivalry but a time for all of us to fold our sleeves and get to work. As an East African I am very sure that a better Tanzania is good news for every other East African. So Kenyans should stop whining and get back to making East African great again, if I can borrow a phrase from an infamous person right now.
As a region we should all be celebrating the 'new' Tanzania
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Hehe....wimbo mtauimba na it will take a whooping 100 years for your dream to come true.Go to history books and learn where kenya started,where Nairobi started b4 your pathetic articles by illiterate tz journalists.Oil pipeline has really made you celebrate+the new bridge not knowing what Kenya is really cooking at the moment.The aggressiveness of Kenya as a regional leader in everything is just but aroused to greater heights.For you to start yelling a new Tz,refurbish your education system,infrastrucure,economy and what have you .....YOU WILL ALWAYS TRAIL BEHIND KENYA.
Hakuna GAP
Kenya kuna large number of so called university graduates without university level skills.
Kenyan graduates 'lack crucial skills'
Read their comments there when they are done pretending in JF. Hopeless
eliakeem
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That is a panic which the author of the discourse Brian was addressing.
Calm down and feel the drama.
Don't deceive yourself by a myopic kind of thinking.
Join the rest of east African countries to cheer the rise of real big brother.
Usitise watu na hiyo educated class ya kenya...,
the real figures are small and dismal. Too much talk, less substance, ndio maana Museveni aliachana na kelele zenu.
Kenya’s education dividend
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tazama education report ya UNESCO ya mwaka 2009...., linganisha na link niliyoweka hapo juu utapata picha, utapata picha
Nchi nzima ya kenya ina wanafunzi wa chuo less than 500K. Wakati TZ UDOM tu peke yake inapokea 40,000. Mbaya Zaidi chuoni hawa wanaenda baada ya kumaliza form four equivalent ya TZ..., yani A-levels hawana....,so ukiangalia kiuhalisia u are dealing with Kenyans walio-inflate data za A-levels ili kuonesha wana watu wengi vyuoni, while infact wamejaza makinda yaliyotakiwa kuwa A-levels. University level students kwenye unis zao ni kuanzia 3rd year. waliobaki chini ya hapo ni university students wannabe,,,kwa level ya Tanzania.
so next time you start bragging about that educated Kenyan nonsense just remember your numbers are still dismal.
the number of tertiary educated Kenyans will not break 10M before 2035,and as of now its less than 4M, sad case of a nation bloating about useless figures, while n reality its a dismal situation.
the real figures are small and dismal. Too much talk, less substance, ndio maana Museveni aliachana na kelele zenu.
Kenya’s education dividend
Education in Kenya - WENR
tazama education report ya UNESCO ya mwaka 2009...., linganisha na link niliyoweka hapo juu utapata picha, utapata picha
Nchi nzima ya kenya ina wanafunzi wa chuo less than 500K. Wakati TZ UDOM tu peke yake inapokea 40,000. Mbaya Zaidi chuoni hawa wanaenda baada ya kumaliza form four equivalent ya TZ..., yani A-levels hawana....,so ukiangalia kiuhalisia u are dealing with Kenyans walio-inflate data za A-levels ili kuonesha wana watu wengi vyuoni, while infact wamejaza makinda yaliyotakiwa kuwa A-levels. University level students kwenye unis zao ni kuanzia 3rd year. waliobaki chini ya hapo ni university students wannabe,,,kwa level ya Tanzania.
so next time you start bragging about that educated Kenyan nonsense just remember your numbers are still dismal.
the number of tertiary educated Kenyans will not break 10M before 2035,and as of now its less than 4M, sad case of a nation bloating about useless figures, while n reality its a dismal situation.
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Wahenga usema "msema ukweli ni mpenzi wa Mungu".
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In the US and the whole of EU, Kenyans can not attend a university they have to take two years studies of pre university education.
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