JamiiForums Exclusive: Kiranga and Fellow members English Debate

[jmushi1]

Au Kiranga,

Nini kuandika ni udanganyifu. Wala wala wala grama msamiati sahihi, ingawa sarufi si utawala wa kuandika vyema lakini mambo ni wengi.

Hivyo ni changamoto ya wazi, FF ni kutumia wala umeme wala thometically kamusi.

Wakenya wanatuwakilisha kwenye kila kitu, hadi kiswahili!

 

[Roulette]

Yeah' it does.... And I love the addition on Socrates's quote.

In a more serious debate the use of figure of style and figures of structure would also be rated (naongeza kwenye zile za Faiza Foxy)
Kuhusu Socrates, you are welcome, I was just translating to the original version. lol

 

[Consigliere]

Huu uzi haustahili kuwekewa sticky.

Hapa ni porojo tu na kujionyesha nani anajua misamiati gani na kuandika madudu yasiyoeleweka.

Kuna jamaa huwa akipata kidogo tu anatusumbuaga sumbuaga na viingereza vyaka, kuanza siasa nikiona amelewa na namlgia in hapa kwa ID yake mwenyewe, nadhani patamfaa zaidi kulainishi ubongo wako unaokuwa unasukumwa na mipresha ya viingereza.

 

[AshaDii]

In a more serious debate the use of figure of style and figures of structure would also be rated (naongeza kwenye zile za Faiza Foxy) Kuhusu Socrates, you are welcome, I was just translating to the original version. lol

Nimekupata.... And Thanks Roulette..... Naomba observe hii nimenyakua sig ya (Finest) uniambie the figure of speech na what it means.....


"What is legal, but not logical, logical, but not legal, and neither logical, nor legal?"


Do you have an idea.... An example perhaps?

 

[Roulette]

Nimekupata.... And Thanks Roulette..... Naomba observe hii nimenyakua sig ya (Finest) uniambie the figure of speech na what it means.....
"What is legal, but not logical, logical, but not legal, and neither logical, nor legal?"
Do you have an idea.... An example perhaps?

Nianze kwanza kwa kusema sijui what it means, na kwa hivo uelewa wangu ya figure of speech inakua limited (maybe it is ironical, or paradoxal...)
Sasa about figure of speech... I am not that good in english but I will try:
- Kwanza kuna "oxymore", which is putting together words or concepts that sound contradictory (legal is often logical)
- Pili kuna "chiasme", which consists in crossing words (AB-BC-CA or AC).
But again, these are french figures, I have NO-I-DEA if they exist in English, and FF amesha kataza kucheki in the dictionary. lol

 

[Kiranga]

Nimekupata.... And Thanks Roulette..... Naomba observe hii nimenyakua sig ya (Finest) uniambie the figure of speech na what it means.....


"What is legal, but not logical, logical, but not legal, and neither logical, nor legal?"


Do you have an idea.... An example perhaps?

The wave particle duality of photons is legal, but defies logic, when you adopt quantum philosophy the duality is logical but defies legality because it is in a fuzzy confine, in totality, it is neither logical nor legal.

The same applies to quantum behavior of subatomic particles as exhibited in the double slit experiment, Shrodinger Cat's experiment and Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle.

 

[menyidyo]

The wave particle duality of photons is legal, but defies logic, when you adopt quantum philosophy the duality is logical but defies legality because it is in a fuzzy confine, in totality, it is neither logical nor legal.

The same applies to quantum behavior of subatomic particles as exhibited in the double slit experiment, Shrodinger Cat's experiment and Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle.

Am engineer. who are regarded to be far frm english. but here i see no english at all. ivi unagoogle afu unadondosha humu au? niwie radhi mkuu sijarizika na maneno yako hapo juu.

 

[Mwita25]

Am engineer. who are regarded to be far frm english. but here i see no english at all. ivi unagoogle afu unadondosha humu au? niwie radhi mkuu sijarizika na maneno yako hapo juu.

Achana naye huyo ni rafiki wa Google anayetafuta sifa kupitia migongo ya vilaza.

 

[jmushi1]

Nimekupata.... And Thanks Roulette..... Naomba observe hii nimenyakua sig ya (Finest) uniambie the figure of speech na what it means.....


"What is legal, but not logical, logical, but not legal, and neither logical, nor legal?"


Do you have an idea.... An example perhaps?

Mhn!

Neways, any reasonable account of legal phenomena, as of any phenomena, must be "logical."

However in an old philosophical tradition going back at least to Aristotle, logic has been conceived as a theoretical discipline, that is the theory of whatever is good in the way of reasoning...

On the other hand, Aristotle's formal logic, the logic of such familiar syllogistic schemata as "All As are Bs; All Bs are Cs; therefore, All As are Cs," was a kind of class calculus.

Subsequently, Stoic logicians had explored propositional logic, in which such arguments as "If p then q; p; therefore, q" can be represented.

A key step on the way to modern logic was George Boole's logical algebra, which could be interpreted as a calculus of probabilities, as a calculus of propositions, or as a calculus of classes.

By the way i will ive you an A lol

 

[Kiranga]

Am engineer. who are regarded to be far frm english. but here i see no english at all. ivi unagoogle afu unadondosha humu au? niwie radhi mkuu sijarizika na maneno yako hapo juu.

Ushasema "Am engineer" (teh) "Who are regarded to be far frm english" (teh, teh)

"But here I see no english at all" (teh, teh, teh)

Labda sababu inayokufanya usikione Kiingereza ni kama ulivyosema mwenyewe kwamba wewe ni ""Who are regarded to be far frm english"

Inawezekana hukioni Kiingereza kwa sababu uko mbali nacho, jaribu kukisogelea kwanza labda utakiona.

Najua wewe Engineer kwa hiyo lugha si fani yako, lakini katika engineering najua unaelewa kwamba unavyokaribia kitu ndivyo uwezo wa kukiona unavyozidi, under constant conditions.

Kwa hiyo usitake ku pass judgement juu ya vitu vya mbali, vikaribie kwanza.

 

[Kiranga]

Achana naye huyo ni rafiki wa Google anayetafuta sifa kupitia migongo ya vilaza.

Urafiki wa google ni sifa, na siwezi kukumbatia ignorance kwa kuogopa kuitwa natafuta sifa.

Siogopi lawama wala kutaka sifa, hata kama lawama yenyewe itaitwa kutaka sifa na sifa yenyewe itakuwa kupenda lawama.

 

[AshaDii]

Nianze kwanza kwa kusema sijui what it means, na kwa hivo uelewa wangu ya figure of speech inakua limited (maybe it is ironical, or paradoxal...)
Sasa about figure of speech... I am not that good in english but I will try:
- Kwanza kuna "oxymore", which is putting together words or concepts that sound contradictory (legal is often logical)
- Pili kuna "chiasme", which consists in crossing words (AB-BC-CA or AC).
But again, these are french figures, I have NO-I-DEA if they exist in English, and FF amesha kataza kucheki in the dictionary. lol

Niharakishe kusema I have never heard of “Oxymore” nor “Chiasme” thou with Chiasme it gives away kua it is of French Origin/French.

Well you could say it is Ironical but I don’t think it qualifies... Where as with Paradoxal, I do agree kwa kweli... Thou in the English language sidhani kama wana type of Figure of speech ambayo imekua grouped as Paradoxical, thou waweza sema kua a certain figure of speech is paradoxical.

Mie i had a mtazamo kua ni Alliteration.... (a repetition of certain consonant sounds in the begining of sounds in succession... of the same sentence); Hata hivo nilikua bado sipo comfy kua it is indeed Alliteration.

 

[AshaDii]

The wave particle duality of photons is legal, but defies logic, when you adopt quantum philosophy the duality is logical but defies legality because it is in a fuzzy confine, in totality, it is neither logical nor legal.

The same applies to quantum behavior of subatomic particles as exhibited in the double slit experiment, Shrodinger Cat's experiment and Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle.

Kiranga your post has completely handicapped me....

Of all the Principles you have mentioned I have only come across "The Principle of Uncertainty" and Ironically enough it was a novel and the Principle was applied (in a brief explanation) to the act of Sex by one of the Character portrayed by an English Writer known as Victoria Holt/Jean Plaid.

I remember this for I love the subject and the book is in my collection. It states that "the mind and body are both reliant on ones heart to give in the act of sex.... But that depending on the posing and pushing factors on an individual from the sex opponent it inevitably results in one entity being over powered by the other.... the more one is engaged the more the other is disengaged... i.e if the mind is more engaged the more the body is disengaged and vice versa.

Kiranga is it the same Principle?

And Please you have to do better so that I understand....

 

[Roulette]

Niharakishe kusema I have never heard of "Oxymore" nor "Chiasme" thou with Chiasme it gives away kua it is of French Origin/French.

Well you could say it is Ironical but I don't think it qualifies... Where as with Paradoxal, I do agree kwa kweli... Thou in the English language sidhani kama wana type of Figure of speech ambayo imekua grouped as Paradoxical, thou waweza sema kua a certain figure of speech is paradoxical.

Mie i had a mtazamo kua ni Alliteration.... (a repetition of certain consonant sounds in the begining of sounds in succession... of the same sentence); Hata hivo nilikua bado sipo comfy kua it is indeed Alliteration.

It is not alliteration darling.
Alliteration is when the SOUND is repeated. Hapo what is repeated is the WORD. Ndio maana hata ile ya Socrate nilisema ni part aliteration sababu it is the same root for the used words. Mifano ya aliteration hii hapa, can you read it fast? lol

Silly Sally swiftly shooed seven silly sheep.
The seven silly sheep Silly Sally shooed
Shilly-shallied south.
These sheep shouldn't sleep in a shack;
Sheep should sleep in a shed.


Three sweet switched Swiss witches
Watch three washed Swiss witch Swatch watch switches.
Which sweet switched Swiss witch watches
Which washed Swiss witch Swatch watch switch?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Are you all getting paid for this ostentatious use of abstruse and obscure vocabulary?

 

[Mtazamaji]

I remember this for I love the subject and the book is in my collection. It states that "the mind and body are both reliant on ones heart to give in the act of sex.... But that depending on the posing and pushing factors on an individual from the sex opponent it inevitably results in one entity being over powered by the other.... the more one is engaged the more the other is disengaged... i.e if the mind is more engaged the more the body is disengaged and vice versa.

Kiranga is it the same Principle?

And Please you have to do better so that I understand....

Asha Dii unaweza kuendelea na hiyo novel hiyo sehemu tamu japo two or three more paragraph. lol

BTN pale nilipobold kwa blue
Ni posing au Pausing.? but am more inserested in flow of intamingoling action as storied in that novel not this posing

 

[Kiranga]

Kiranga your post has completely handicapped me....

Of all the Principles you have mentioned I have only come across "The Principle of Uncertainty" and Ironically enough it was a novel and the Principle was applied (in a brief explanation) to the act of Sex by one of the Character portrayed by an English Writer known as Victoria Holt/Jean Plaid.

I remember this for I love the subject and the book is in my collection. It states that "the mind and body are both reliant on ones heart to give in the act of sex.... But that depending on the posing and pushing factors on an individual from the sex opponent it inevitably results in one entity being over powered by the other.... the more one is engaged the more the other is disengaged... i.e if the mind is more engaged the more the body is disengaged and vice versa.

Kiranga is it the same Principle?

And Please you have to do better so that I understand....

Heinserberg's Uncertainty Principle is neither an arbitrary literary construct nor a pseudo-psychological explanation of phenomena. It is an actual fundamental principle of Physics which describes the dichotomous and paradoxically counter-intuitive nature of the fabric of reality.

In simple terms, it exposes a limit in the ability to measure specifics regarding subatomic particles. Even further, it exposed the concept that matter is discrete to be a poverty borne out of our bias of familiarity with the relatively macro scale of the universe.

It establishes that, the position and momentum of a subatomic particle cannot both be known with certainty. That the more you measure the momentum precisely, the less is your ability to accurately measure position, and vice versa.

Some have argued that this is due to the fact that the very act of measuring interferes with the measurement.

Niel's Bohr's Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Physics holds that this "measuring will interfere with the measurement" idea is erroneous, that since particles do not have an actual position or momentum at any particular time, and that they all exist in a quantum probability cloud, which sometime allow these particles to be in two places at the same time, this inability is buried much deeper in the fabric of spacetime an it is not merely an issue of inability to measure, that the specifics are unmeasurable because particles do not have specific positions or momentums.

This led to the famous "God does not play dice" remark by Albert Einstein, in an apparent figurative expression of disbelief that the basic building bloacks of reality can be so arbitrary and fleetingly probabilistic.

 

[Mrs ma2mbo]

A.Where is matumbo?

B. Matumbo is a dead because nyati is kunyatia akamgambila vipande six but bunduki no kutoa risasi no finishingi..

A.oowh!its so sad.

 

[AshaDii]

Jmushi you have got to be kidding me that this applies to the qoute I have provided.... Khaa!....lol.. I have only dealt with the upper part of the post....

Mhn!

Neways, any reasonable account of legal phenomena, as of any phenomena, must be "logical."

However in an old philosophical tradition going back at least to Aristotle, logic has been conceived as a theoretical discipline, that is the theory of whatever is good in the way of reasoning...


By the way i will ive you an A lol

At least the above makes Perfect sense! In other words...

Any reasonable account of legal phenomena, as of any phenomena, must be "logical." Inawakilisha this part.... What is legal, but not logical... Hapa Legal being the Phenomena which is already supported it is Logical.

However in an old philosophical tradition going back at least to Aristotle, logic has been conceived as a theoretical discipline, that is the theory of whatever is good in the way of reasoning... What is legal, but not logical, logical, but not legal, and neither logical, nor legal?... As a way of saying the the bolded colored quesion marked part is a way forward for reasoning....


Hapo nilipo bold kwenye quote yako.... What am I being awarded? lol

 

[AshaDii]

It is not alliteration darling.
Alliteration is when the SOUND is repeated. Hapo what is repeated is the WORD. Ndio maana hata ile ya Socrate nilisema ni part aliteration sababu it is the same root for the used words. Mifano ya aliteration hii hapa, can you read it fast? lol

Silly Sally swiftly shooed seven silly sheep.
The seven silly sheep Silly Sally shooed
Shilly-shallied south.
These sheep shouldn't sleep in a shack;
Sheep should sleep in a shed.


Three sweet switched Swiss witches
Watch three washed Swiss witch Swatch watch switches.
Which sweet switched Swiss witch watches
Which washed Swiss witch Swatch watch switch?

Thanks Roulette.... BUT you should note with Alliteration it is said repetition of consonant sounds.... Na hebu check hizi consonants... Otherwise you would have to tell me what you think it is.....lol... BTW nimependa the poetry.... (or is it not?)


"What is Legal, but not Logical, Logical, but not Legal, and neither Logical, nor Legal?"