JUBILEE protests IEBC's move on spoilt votes

Sasa kwa nini jubilee walalamije?wanaogopa nini?kama tume ya uchaguzi imeamuo wao kwa nini waogope?kama sio kujiamini ni nini.
 
Ndachuwa said:
Butola hao 377000 walikuwa wapiga kura? Kama jibu ni ndiyo kama hawakuona mgombea anayefaa unataka kura yake isihesabiwe?
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...Sina tatizo na hilo, tatizo langu ni uwezekano wa mgombea yeyote kutopata 50%+1 ata kwenye uchaguzi wa marudio, sasa je uchaguzi utarudiwa mara ngapi?

...hapa ndipo ilipo hekima ya kuchukua tu "Jumla ya Idadi ya Kura Halali", ukizichukua tu "kura halali" basi ni lazima round ya pili itatoa mshindi, lakini bila hivyo, mtarudia uchaguzi mara ngapi?hapa ndipo palipo na tatizo...
 
eeeh! eti mtandao wa IEBC umekuwa hucked....!!?? yangu macho
 
Bishanga said:
swali la kizushi:
Tuseme zimepigwa 100,kura 20 zikaenda kwa Raila,kura 25 zikaenda kwa Uhuru na kura 55 zikaharibika,hivi Uhuru atatangazwa kuwa ni Rais wa Kenya?
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...Ebu tuangalie pia kwa muktadha huu, kama ukiziweka "kura zilizoharibika" kama factor, na "kura Zilizoharibika" zikashinda kama hapo 55/95, zaidi ya 50%+1, sasa je kwenye uchaguzi utakaofuata wa marudio(kwa sababu hakuna kati yao aliyepata 50%+1), je watarudiana tena hao hao Kenyatta na Odinga?na je mtaurudia mpambano huo mara ngapi ndio tuseme sasa hapa basi, haturudii tena?...
 
Crucial Man said:
Sasa kwa nini jubilee walalamije?wanaogopa nini?kama tume ya uchaguzi imeamuo wao kwa nini waogope?kama sio kujiamini ni nini.
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...Kwa sababu wanaamini kuwa katiba iliposema 50%+1 of All Votes ilimaanisha 50%+1 ya "Kura Halali", na tayari kigezo hicho wanaamini wamekifikia...

...By the way, tume mpaka sasa ndivyo ilivyodefine, so ndivyo nao walivyokuwa wanaamini...
 
Kuna maneno haya ya Ruto “Jubilee Coalition is concerned over the sudden change of rules by IEBC which to us is meant to deny us a first round win,” halafu kuna taarifa hii "IEBC Chairman Ahmed Issack Hassan last evening announced that the percentages would now be worked out using total votes cast (including rejected and disputed votes)."

Hapa kunahitajika explanation of NOW. Je, unamaanisha mwanzoni kulikuwa na makubaliano mengine kama jinsi Ruto alivyoashiria?
 
Butola wewe unang'angania "simple majority" ambayo ni sheria ya Tanzania wao sheria ya 50% + 1. Sijui kwa nini unaogopga wale 377,000 kwamba uchaguzi ukirudiwa wataendelea kuharibu kura? Na zile za Keneth na wenzake si zitaongeza kura za mshindi?
 
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Huu tunaita ufafanuzi ulioenda shule, ila kama alikimbia Mathematics hapo kwenye A/X patamkimbiza vibaya, ila hakika umeeleweka vema nadhani hata yeye na hao Jubilee wakisoma hawatauliza tena.
 
Butola said:
...Kwa sababu wanaamini kuwa katiba iliposema 50%+1 of All Votes ilimaanisha 50%+1 ya "Kura Halali", na tayari kigezo hicho wanaamini wamekifikia...

...By the way, tume mpaka sasa ndivyo ilivyodefine, so ndivyo nao walivyokuwa wanaamini...
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Butola define "All votes"
 
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Jubelee iko mbele hata marudio yakura,,,,kwani kama hawakupendi,,sioni
vile watakavyo kupenda,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, baadae,,hata wazungu na UN,,CNN,,
AlJazeera,,,,,,,,, wakikupa msaada,,,,,,,,,wowote.

Marudio ni stress tupu,,,,lakini,,,,wembe ni ule ule.

Watu ambao wange swing votes,,,,kama Musalia Mudavadi,,,hehehe:A S shade:,,,
wameshindwa kunguruma hata katika ngome zao.


Wwwwwoyiyoyoyo,,,ako wapi Eugene Wamalwa????????????

Kolonzo Musyoka,,,,,wewewewe,,,,ni kuvio.
 

Mkuu unachosema hakileti maana hata kidogo, kinachotakiwa ni kuhesabu kura halali na kura zilizoharibika sio halali-mi nikichora "ZOMBIE" au "MESS" au nikiandika bongo fleva kwenye karatasi ya kura na kuitumbukiza kwenye ballot box utaiita kura halali na kuihesabu? Jubilee wana haki ya kulalamika na kama sheria ndio inataka hivyo basi ni sheria ya hovyo na ya kipumbavu!
 
Ndachuwa said:
Butola wewe unang'angania "simple majority" ambayo ni sheria ya Tanzania wao sheria ya 50% + 1. Sijui kwa nini unaogopga wale 377,000 kwamba uchaguzi ukirudiwa wataendelea kuharibu kura? Na zile za Keneth na wenzake si zitaongeza kura za mshindi?
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...Nielewe vizuri hapa, sijasema popote kuwa 50%+1 ni mbaya, hapana, suala langu ni kama utakokotoa matokeo kwa kujumlisha "kura zilizoharibika", je exit loop ya mtego huo iko wapi kwenye marudio ya uchaguzi? kumbuka so far "kura zilizoharibika" ni nyingi kuliko Jumla za kura za Kennedy na wenzake watano kwa pamoja, by the way sheria haipaswi kubahatisha, inapaswa iwe applicable kwenye mazingira yote...

...Kama IBEC watafanya hivyo, Jubillee ni vyema waipeleke hilo suala mahakama itoe defintion, either "kura zilizoharibika" zisikokotoa kwenye "total votes cast" waiweke basi hiyo exit loop, sio kuweka sheria isiyoweka kumaliza suala pale mambo yanapokwenda kinyume...
 

...Umeweka mfano mzuri sana hapa, sasa je mtu huyu aliyechora Zombie kwenye karatasi ya kura ana tofauti gani na mtu ambaye "alijisajiri kupiga kura" lakini "hakujitokeza kupiga kura"?logically huyu nae ni kama yule ambaye hajajitokeza, kama ndivyo basi kwanini matokeo yasikokotolewe kutokana na "registered voters"?..


...Naamini IEBC hawatauingia huu mkenge, wakishindwa basi mahakama itatoa definition nzuri ya "Total Votes Cast" na Jubillee kupewa ushindi wao wa "kipindi cha kwanza"..
 


Mkuu ZeMarcopolo naye ametoa observation nzuri kuhusiana na kauli ya 'NOW' toka kwa mwenyekiti wa Tume, labda Ndachuwa aje atupe ufafanuzi!!!
 
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Mkuu hiyo ndio demokrasia sasa, kwa kizungu changu cha kuunga unga wanasema Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority to the minority, as long as below 50% is regarded as a minority then they should agree with the majority which is above 50%.
 

Kama hii hapa chini ndiyo provision ya katiba yao namna ya kumpata mshindi wa kiti cha uraisi hapo IEBC hawastahili lawama hata kidogo bali kwakuwa kila mmoja angependa kupata ushindi wa moja kwa moja raundi hii ya kwanza ndio sababu wanalalamika, wala hili halihitji intervention ya foreign missions kama Ruto anavyolalamika, ni suala tu la tafsiri ya katiba na sheria. Hapo kwenye red colour hapo ndipo tafsiri sahihi ya kikatiba ilipo na kama wanadhani ama na wewe Butola unadhani kujumuisha kura zilizoharibika ni makosa basi inabidi uwashauri wakenya wairekebishe katiba yao isomeke kwamba mshindi atapatikana kwa asilimia 50 + ya kura halali.

Butola; According to the Constitution said:
of all votes cast[/COLOR] to be declared the winner.
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Ndachuwa said:
Butola hao 377000 walikuwa wapiga kura? Kama jibu ni ndiyo kama hawakuona mgombea anayefaa unataka kura yake isihesabiwe?
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hili jambo wengi tunalichukulia kirahisirahisi lakini sio ishu nyepesi kama tunavyodhani
 
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