Kibona
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Ni bora hao kuliko sie tunaoibiana wenyewe.
Kenya declares war on Al Shabaab!
Kenya declares war on Al Shabaab!
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Kibona
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Hata kama kenya iwe dhaifu kiasi gani, haiwezi kushindwa na kikundi cha wavuta bangi wa al shabab. Kitakachotokea ni kuwa al shabab wakijifanya vichwa ngumu Kenya watakaa huko untill further notice maana hata wakikaa huko hakuna wanachopoteza. Vita gani mpaka sasa wakenya wameteka miji na vitongoji chungu nzima lakini vifo jumla vya wakenya na alshabab havijafika miamoja, alshabab wamevua combat wamejichanganya na raia wanasubiri wamvizie mkenya mmojammoja. Ninachopingana na kenya ni kuwa wasingetangaza vita na alshabab bali wangetangaza operation, wangeenda kuwasaka alshabab hata bila kuvaa kombat nakuhakikishia wangewauwa zaidi kuliko wanavyofanya sasa.
Kibona
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Subiri mafuta yagundulike somalia ndo utajua marekani ni nani.
FaizaFoxy
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Al Qaeda ni kitengo cha CIA kama unachosema ni kweli basi ujuwe wamemaliza kazi kwa jina hilo na sasa wameanzisha hili la Al Shabab, yote hiyo ni mbinu za "crusaders". "You're either with us or you are against us" au umesahau?
Sisi tunasubiri tuuone huo "mkong'oto" kwa hamu kubwa sana.
FaizaFoxy
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Hivi wewe upo dunia hii ya leo ya utandawazi? mbona habari hizo za zamani sana au umeanza kuwa na access ya mtandao hivi juzi?
Soma:
[h=1]The Oil Factor in Somalia[/h] Copyright 1993 The Los Angeles Times -Published January 18, 1993
[h=3]FOUR AMERICAN PETROLEUM GIANTS HAD AGREEMENTS WITH THE AFRICAN NATION BEFORE ITS CIVIL WAR BEGAN. THEY COULD REAP BIG REWARDS IF PEACE IS RESTORED[/h] [h=4]By MARK FINEMAN
[/h] (Mark Fineman, died in Baghdad in September 2003 of a heart attack. He was 51 years old. He was also a great journalist, and a lot of fun to hang out with. He is missed.)
DATELINE: MOGADISHU, Somalia
Far beneath the surface of the tragic drama of Somalia, four major U.S. oil companies are quietly sitting on a prospective fortune in exclusive concessions to explore and exploit tens of millions of acres of the Somali countryside.
That land, in the opinion of geologists and industry sources, could yield significant amounts of oil and natural gas if the U.S.-led military mission can restore peace to the impoverished East African nation.
According to documents obtained by The Times, nearly two-thirds of Somalia was allocated to the American oil giants Conoco, Amoco, Chevron and Phillips in the final years before Somalia's pro-U.S. President Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown and the nation plunged into chaos in January, 1991. Industry sources said the companies holding the rights to the most promising concessions are hoping that the Bush Administration's decision to send U.S. troops to safeguard aid shipments to Somalia will also help protect their multimillion-dollar investments there.
Endelea hapa ukipenda: It is all about oil in Somalia-Ethiopia.
Lakini wenzetu wana umeme usio na mgawo.
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Lugha chafhy ya nini weye! Weye unatetea Al Shabab? Subiri dawa yenu imesha iva, Myahudi anakuja kusweka Nyoka wote wa Ki Al Shabab
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Nami nauliza wataishi hivi hadi lini!? na hayo maisha yatatufaidi nini!? na jukumu letu ni lipi kama majirani wa Somalia!?
Ninaona baadhi ya comments zimeegamia "crusaders" lugha ambayo hutumiwa kuelezea "wageni" lakini wa dini fulani katika maenep ya waislamu. Ninaona mengine yameegemea kuunga mkono kuondoshwa kwa alshabaab na kupunguza au kumaliza mateso kwa Wasomali. Nimepata nafasi ya kufanya kazi Somalia katika siku hizi na haya ni baadhi tu ya mambo magumu:
a) Kurejeshwa kwa Greater Somalia ambayo inajuimuisha Ogaden general area iliyo mashariki kwa Ethiopia. Katika vita ya miaka ya 50 sehemu hii ilichukuliwa na Ethiopia kutoka Somalia. Al-Shabaab inataka kurejeshwa kwa sehemu hii. Ndio kiini cha Ethiopia kujichanganya ktk vita Somalia.
b) Somalia kuvunjika na kutengeneza Somaliland. Somaliland kuvunjika na kutokea Puntland. Sasa karibu kila warload (hata kama haungi mkono Al-Shabaab) anataka kuwa na autonomous state.
c) Serikali ya Asmara kuwapa support Al-Shabaab ambao hawana ushawishi katika nchi nzima bali South Central Somalia ambayo inapakana na Kenya pamoja na Ethiopia. Asmara ni foe wa Ethiopia.
Kikubwa kitakachofanya Kenya kuchemsha na hata kuondoka bila kuwaondoa Al-Shabaab, ni logistical nightmares hasa kipindi hiki cha mvua. Vita yoyote ina gharama. Sio Kenya inawezaje kus-sustain military operations kwa muda mrefu. Inachofanya hata hivo ni kukabidhi maeneo yaliyokuwa chini ya Al-Shabaab kwa serikali dhaifu ya Somalia ambayo inatawala wilaya za Mogadishu tu!! Kuna majeshi ya Uganda na Burundi. Ninachoona hapa ni Kenya kuingia kwa kwavuli wa AU ili gharama za vita zisiiangukie Kenya bali AU na UN. Hilo litakuwa limetimiza matakwa ya Kenya ya kuwaondosha Al-Shabaab mipakani mwake lakini litakuza sentiments against Kenya na tutaona ugaidi dhidi ya Kenya.
a) Kurejeshwa kwa Greater Somalia ambayo inajuimuisha Ogaden general area iliyo mashariki kwa Ethiopia. Katika vita ya miaka ya 50 sehemu hii ilichukuliwa na Ethiopia kutoka Somalia. Al-Shabaab inataka kurejeshwa kwa sehemu hii. Ndio kiini cha Ethiopia kujichanganya ktk vita Somalia.
b) Somalia kuvunjika na kutengeneza Somaliland. Somaliland kuvunjika na kutokea Puntland. Sasa karibu kila warload (hata kama haungi mkono Al-Shabaab) anataka kuwa na autonomous state.
c) Serikali ya Asmara kuwapa support Al-Shabaab ambao hawana ushawishi katika nchi nzima bali South Central Somalia ambayo inapakana na Kenya pamoja na Ethiopia. Asmara ni foe wa Ethiopia.
Kikubwa kitakachofanya Kenya kuchemsha na hata kuondoka bila kuwaondoa Al-Shabaab, ni logistical nightmares hasa kipindi hiki cha mvua. Vita yoyote ina gharama. Sio Kenya inawezaje kus-sustain military operations kwa muda mrefu. Inachofanya hata hivo ni kukabidhi maeneo yaliyokuwa chini ya Al-Shabaab kwa serikali dhaifu ya Somalia ambayo inatawala wilaya za Mogadishu tu!! Kuna majeshi ya Uganda na Burundi. Ninachoona hapa ni Kenya kuingia kwa kwavuli wa AU ili gharama za vita zisiiangukie Kenya bali AU na UN. Hilo litakuwa limetimiza matakwa ya Kenya ya kuwaondosha Al-Shabaab mipakani mwake lakini litakuza sentiments against Kenya na tutaona ugaidi dhidi ya Kenya.
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Mwandishi mahiri Macharia Gaitho anachambua suala la Odinga na Israeli kwa uelewa mkubwa katika hii makala. Kwa kifupi Macharia anaona alichokifanya Odinga (kuomba msaada toka Israel) ni mchemsho unaoweza kuiongezea Kenya hatari zaidi toka kwa magaidi wa Al Shabaab na waislamu wengine wenye siasa kali.
"Prime Minister Raila Odingas visit last week to Israel and the pledge he secured of support on the battle against Al-Shabaab was a veritable PR disaster." - Macharia Gaitho
We handed Al-Shabaab propaganda tool and envoy added fuel to the fire
By MACHARIA GAITHO
Posted Monday, November 21 2011 at 20:27
The military incursion in pursuit of Al-Shabaab extremists across the borders right inside Somalia is obviously of great significance for both regional and international security.
The jihadists from across the world, who have exploited the lack of effective government to make Somalia the base of Terror Inc., are a menace way beyond the borders of that lawless country.
Therefore, eliminating them cannot be just a Kenyan duty, but the responsibility of the international community.
The regional security bloc, Igad, is showing strong support for the Kenyan initiative, as is the African Union. From further afield, expressions of support from the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and various countries and regional blocs, must go beyond tepid words and put their money where their mouths are.
To be meaningful, support must translate into actual resources. The campaign needs money, bullets and soldiers on the battlefront. However, even as we canvass international support, we must never forget that this military effort was launched primarily to secure Kenyas security interests.
Therefore, we must not allow others with their own agenda to hijack it. I have Israel in mind. True, the Jewish State has for decades been a firm ally where security interests have converged. Israel has been a true friend and has always responded promptly when assistance was required.
For years, some of Kenyas elite military and police units have benefitted from Israeli training and expertise. The Kenyan and Israeli security partnership has, for years, served for mutual benefit, but common sense and geopolitical reality demand that these links be managed discreetly.
The fact that Al-Shabaab claims to be pursuing Islamic Jihad does not make our necessary war against it part of Israels own campaigns in the Middle East and elsewhere.
In that regard, Prime Minister Raila Odingas visit last week to Israel and the pledge he secured of support on the battle against Al-Shabaab was a veritable PR disaster.
It provided the murderous group with the perfect propaganda tool, and it quickly went on the offensive with a campaign designed to depict the Kenyan incursion as part of a Christian-Jewish conspiracy against Islam.
Full article - Daily Nation
"Prime Minister Raila Odingas visit last week to Israel and the pledge he secured of support on the battle against Al-Shabaab was a veritable PR disaster." - Macharia Gaitho
We handed Al-Shabaab propaganda tool and envoy added fuel to the fire
By MACHARIA GAITHO
Posted Monday, November 21 2011 at 20:27
The military incursion in pursuit of Al-Shabaab extremists across the borders right inside Somalia is obviously of great significance for both regional and international security.
The jihadists from across the world, who have exploited the lack of effective government to make Somalia the base of Terror Inc., are a menace way beyond the borders of that lawless country.
Therefore, eliminating them cannot be just a Kenyan duty, but the responsibility of the international community.
The regional security bloc, Igad, is showing strong support for the Kenyan initiative, as is the African Union. From further afield, expressions of support from the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and various countries and regional blocs, must go beyond tepid words and put their money where their mouths are.
To be meaningful, support must translate into actual resources. The campaign needs money, bullets and soldiers on the battlefront. However, even as we canvass international support, we must never forget that this military effort was launched primarily to secure Kenyas security interests.
Therefore, we must not allow others with their own agenda to hijack it. I have Israel in mind. True, the Jewish State has for decades been a firm ally where security interests have converged. Israel has been a true friend and has always responded promptly when assistance was required.
For years, some of Kenyas elite military and police units have benefitted from Israeli training and expertise. The Kenyan and Israeli security partnership has, for years, served for mutual benefit, but common sense and geopolitical reality demand that these links be managed discreetly.
The fact that Al-Shabaab claims to be pursuing Islamic Jihad does not make our necessary war against it part of Israels own campaigns in the Middle East and elsewhere.
In that regard, Prime Minister Raila Odingas visit last week to Israel and the pledge he secured of support on the battle against Al-Shabaab was a veritable PR disaster.
It provided the murderous group with the perfect propaganda tool, and it quickly went on the offensive with a campaign designed to depict the Kenyan incursion as part of a Christian-Jewish conspiracy against Islam.
Full article - Daily Nation
Bofya https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...kileaks-u-s-warned-kenya-against-somalia.html
Na hii https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...iko-katika-serikali-ya-kenya.html#post2865586
Halafu changanya na zako.
Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, US na opium trade na madini. Al shabaab, Somalia, habari hiyo ya link ya pili.
Na hii https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...iko-katika-serikali-ya-kenya.html#post2865586
Halafu changanya na zako.
Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, US na opium trade na madini. Al shabaab, Somalia, habari hiyo ya link ya pili.
Actually the converse would make more sense. Kenya is the new player militarily in Somalia. All those others have been there, some even making return trips, for years and have failed to wipe out Al Shabab from Mogadishu, let alone Somalia; Al Shabab is still around after all these years of trying. It appears that battle hardened troops will not get the job done; it is going to require more smarts, the type that you can only find in a professional and well trained military. If KDF joins AMISOM, they should insist on taking overall command of the mission in Somalia.
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The battle hardened Ugandans and Burundians who have been in Somalia for over 3 years and only control an area of 20 sq km are better than KDF who have been in Somalia for slightly over a month and control an area of over 700 sq km in Al-Shababs heartland and with far fewer troops? :shock:
:lol:. I would be hardened too if I spent the last 3 years exchanging mortars with Al Shabab. At some point they have to stop hardening and get some work done or go home.
Smatta
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Am amazed to note that you are a hiphop head 🙂..... achaneni na hii siasa ya vita, sisi Kenya ni majirani zenyu na sote twajua Alshabaab ni small fry, so hii maneno mingi sijui ni ya nini.. its not helping anybody.
Askari Kanzu
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Waislamu wa Kenya wapinga kujihusisha kwa Israel katika vita dhidi ya Al-Shabaab
Muslims oppose Israel intervention in Somalia
Tuesday, 22 November 2011 00:14 BY ALPHONCE GARI
NO WAY: CIPK secretary general Sheikh Muhamad Dor (L), treasurer Sheikh Management Unit chairman Omar Mushamu (R) after the meeting.
The Council of Imams and Preachers in Kenya is opposed to the Israel Military involvement in the war against al Shabaab due to what they termed as historical misunderstandings. They claim it could contribute to more terrorism attacks and place Kenya as one of the target by the countries opposed to Israel.
Both Kenya and Israel have shared experiences of terror attacks and it is feared that their intervention could cause more harm than good. CIPK Chairman and Nominated MP Sheikh Mohamad Dor say the move would attract the terror AlQaeda, Taliban,Palestine and others who are against the Jews turning the country to be like the warring Afghanistan.
Addressing journalists in Malindi Sheikh Dor said Kenya should stick with its calls for support from the IGAD countries and vowed to fight back and prevent any attempt of interventions by the Israel military or marines.
The Israel had promised to send experts to conduct anti-terror trainings to the Kenyan security personnel on how to prevent any attack by the al Shabaab in the country.
"As leaders we 100 percent support the Operation Linda Nchi in Somalia and would like security forces in the sea to be increased and expanded but we oppose the initiative by the Israel government come to Kenya and offer anti terror trainings,'' he said.
The Nominated MP said the Muslim community want the Israel to keep off from the operations as there was already enough forces doing a good job.
He reminded the government of the Norfolk hotel and Kikambala hotels terrorist attacks that targeted Israel nationals saying the same could return and create more loss of lives for innocent people. "As Kenyans lets completely avoid working with the Jews we have enough forces and talents to execute the operations.'' he said.
Sheikh Dor who was accompanied by the CIPK treasurer Sheikh Hassan Omar said any intervention be it direct or indirect could create a vacuum that shall lead create a bigger war. "As Kenyans and the 10th parliament we do not want such operations Kenya may turn out to be like Somali or Afghanistan,'' he said.
The Star
Muslims oppose Israel intervention in Somalia
Tuesday, 22 November 2011 00:14 BY ALPHONCE GARI
NO WAY: CIPK secretary general Sheikh Muhamad Dor (L), treasurer Sheikh Management Unit chairman Omar Mushamu (R) after the meeting.The Council of Imams and Preachers in Kenya is opposed to the Israel Military involvement in the war against al Shabaab due to what they termed as historical misunderstandings. They claim it could contribute to more terrorism attacks and place Kenya as one of the target by the countries opposed to Israel.
Both Kenya and Israel have shared experiences of terror attacks and it is feared that their intervention could cause more harm than good. CIPK Chairman and Nominated MP Sheikh Mohamad Dor say the move would attract the terror AlQaeda, Taliban,Palestine and others who are against the Jews turning the country to be like the warring Afghanistan.
Addressing journalists in Malindi Sheikh Dor said Kenya should stick with its calls for support from the IGAD countries and vowed to fight back and prevent any attempt of interventions by the Israel military or marines.
The Israel had promised to send experts to conduct anti-terror trainings to the Kenyan security personnel on how to prevent any attack by the al Shabaab in the country.
"As leaders we 100 percent support the Operation Linda Nchi in Somalia and would like security forces in the sea to be increased and expanded but we oppose the initiative by the Israel government come to Kenya and offer anti terror trainings,'' he said.
The Nominated MP said the Muslim community want the Israel to keep off from the operations as there was already enough forces doing a good job.
He reminded the government of the Norfolk hotel and Kikambala hotels terrorist attacks that targeted Israel nationals saying the same could return and create more loss of lives for innocent people. "As Kenyans lets completely avoid working with the Jews we have enough forces and talents to execute the operations.'' he said.
Sheikh Dor who was accompanied by the CIPK treasurer Sheikh Hassan Omar said any intervention be it direct or indirect could create a vacuum that shall lead create a bigger war. "As Kenyans and the 10th parliament we do not want such operations Kenya may turn out to be like Somali or Afghanistan,'' he said.
The Star