Kenya to Sell Ports, Banks, Electricity Company etc. to China

Kenya to Sell Ports, Banks, Electricity Company etc. to China

Binti Kirembwe said:
Wew acha kuwa juha serikali inaya compromise kusud ayo mashirika ili wapate vibali vya kuyauza ila wallah mtakuja jutia hayo maamuzi
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Serikali gani?
Juu haya ni makampuni yamekuwa underperforming kutoka wakati wa Mzee Kenyatta na Moi.
 
Binti Kirembwe said:
Acha kutetea ujinga ,ubinafsishag uendane na umma sio maamuzi ya kifisadi,subir iyo port wachukue wachina alaf ndio utaona hiyo ruzuku mnazotaka
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Tumia akili. Ni kusoma huwezi soma ama ni uji umejaza kichwa?
Port ya nani inakuwa privatized?
 
joto la jiwe said:
Tatizo lenu ninyi mbafikiria kupata faida pekee, hamfikirii impact ya uchumi kwa ujumla wake. Mashirika ya serikali lengo kubwa ni kutoa Huduma kwa wananchi hata Kyle ambako private sector haitaki kufika labda kutokana na kwamba hawapati faida, kutoa ajira nyingi kwa wananchi na kutoa gawio kwa serikali.

Mashirika ya serikali yakiendeshwa kwa ufanisi yanafaida kubwa katika uchumi wa nchi kuliko Private, jiulize kwanini Kenya wana viwanda vingi kuliko Tanzania lakini unemployment rate Kenya ni two times higher than Tanzania?
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Tanzania mnafikiri economy ya nchi inafaa iendeshwe na serikali.
Kenya tunaamini economy ya nchi inafaa iendeshwe na private sector.

Makampuni yakiwa binafsi, yataweza compete, innovate na hio ndio faida kubwa ya uchumi.
Evidence iko kila mahali.
Katika nchi zote za East Africa, makampuni kubwa ya Kenya yanatawala karibu kila sector. Kutoka benki, hadi insurance, petroleum, consumer goods etc.

Mashirika ya serikali ambayo yameweza kufaulu ni yale tu ambayo yana monopoly. Yaani hayana competition yoyote kutoka private sector, kama vile KenGen.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Tanzania mnafikiri economy ya nchi inafaa iendeshwe na serikali.
Kenya tunaamini economy ya nchi inafaa iendeshwe na private sector.

Makampuni yakiwa binafsi, yataweza compete, innovate na hio ndio faida kubwa ya uchumi.
Evidence iko kila mahali.
Katika nchi zote za East Africa, makampuni kubwa ya Kenya yanatawala karibu kila sector. Kutoka benki, hadi insurance, petroleum, consumer goods etc.

Mashirika ya serikali ambayo yameweza kufaulu ni yale tu ambayo yana monopoly. Yaani hayana competition yoyote kutoka private sector, kama vile KenGen.
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Mbona hujibu swali?, kwanini Kenya pamoja kuwa na makampuni na viwanda vingi vya private lakini ipo na unemployment kubwa kuliko Tanzania?. Kwanini Kenya inaongoza ktk KILIMO cha maua na chai lakini bado inapokea msaada wa chakula?, yaani ardhi ya kulima chai, maua na mananasi ya viwanda vya Delmonte inapatikana lakini ardhi ya kulima mazao ya chakula inakosekana. Acheni kucheza na private sector/capitalist economy, is very risky if unregulated.

Huwezi kuiachia private sector ifanye itakavyo katika nchi masikini ambazo watu wake wanaweza kununulika kwa unahisi, mtatengeneza matajiri wachache lakini watu wengi watakua masikini, mtajisifia kuwa na makampuni makubwa na mengi, lakini hakuna unemployment. Hivi hujisikii aibu kwa kusifia idadi kubwa ya makampuni ya Kenya lakini Kenya inaongoza kwa unemployment, high inflation rate, many taxes, food and water shortages, how can you explain this?
 
joto la jiwe said:
Hahahahaha, kwanini unatoa mifano ya USA badala ya kutolea mifano China ambayo kwa sasa ndio inateka dunia nzima na hata hiyo USA eanakopeshwa na China, Uhuru kila Mara anaenda China kuomba biashara na mikopo, nilitegemea utumie China kama mfano badala ya USA, au ndio muendelezo wa kuwalamba miguu wazungu?.

Acha kujidanganya, nchi zote duniani, kama umezunguka Ulaya yote na Japan, maswala ya Energy(Electricity, gas, Nuclear, coal), vyote viko centralized. Serikali lazima ziwe na udhibiti mkubwa. Hakuna nchi ambayo imebinafsisha, japo kuna wazalishaji binafsi, lakini lazima wote wanaiuzia serikali ambayo ndiyo inayouza kwa wananchi, hata huko USA ni hivyo hivyo.

Ethiopia Airline, 100% ni Government owned, unafanya vizuri kuliko KQ ambayo ni partially private. RVR yenu inafanya vibaya pamoja na kwamba imebinafsishwa.

Nimekuambia, hivi hawa wasomi wote wa Kenya ambao wanasema lengo la serikali kuuza haya mashirika ni ili kupata pesa za bajeti hawajui kitu wewe ndio unayejua zaidi?, nani aliyekuambia bajeti ya nchi inapata pesa kutoka katika source moja pekee, hata wakipata 1% toka kwenye pesa ya kuuza haya mashirika, hiyo ni miongoni mwa sources nyingi serikali inatumia kupata pesa, sasa hivi kodi zimeongezwa sana na bei ya mafuta IPO juu huko kwenu, vyote hivyo ni vyanzo, wakiongezea na hii pesa ya mashirika ndio wanajazia bajeti.
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Nikitaja US, inasimamia nchi zote za Western world. Yaliyofanyika US ni same na yaliyofanyika France, Germany, UK etc.
Wewe ukitaja China, haune example ingine yoyote.
Alafu kumbuka China yenyewe iko na watu billioni. Already hio cheap labour market hakuna hapa Kenya ama Tanzania. Not to mention, kampuni mingi sana za US zilihamisha manufacturing zao China.

Wewe kazi yako ni kuota na wishful thinking.
Nchi mingi za ulaya ziko na energy producers zaidi ya 100. The vast majority ikiwa ni private.
Nchini US, kampuni za distribution pia ziko in private hands ama publicly traded.
One of the famous ones ni South California Edison ambayo imeconnect watu 14 million.
Pia kuna Duke Energy, Xcel energy na kadhalika.

Hadi India iko na power distributers zaidi ya 20. Mmoja wao akiwa Tata Power.
Canada, Germany, Australia vile vile.

Enda uone list hapa - Electricity distribution companies by country - Wikipedia

Umechukua example moja ya Ethiopian airline ambayo inafanya vizuri, na example moja ya RVR ambayo haifanyi vizuri.
Huko huko Ethiopia utapata example 100 za kampuni za serikali hazifanyi vizuri, na hapa Kenya utapata example 100 za kampuni zinafanya vyema.

For every one well performing government-run company, you will find like 50 under-performing ones.

Huko Tanzania mko na kampuni mingi za serikali. Kwa nini hakuna moja imewahi tajika kwa lolote?
Revenue zake ziko aje?
Ni aibu kubwa sana kwamba profit ya kampuni yenu ya kwanza ikiletwa Kenya hata haiwezi tokea top 10.
 
eliakeem said:
The Heathrow is not privatised but conceeded to a private party. This is the origin of the word concession
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I meant to say 'privately run'.
It's the same thing we're doing in Kenya. We're not privatizing the port, but rather the operations of the port.
 
I don't support this privatisation thing. Watu wengine hapa wanasema eti privatisation ni nzuri. Nakumbuka nikifunzwa mambo ya SAP (Structural adjustment programmes) ya IMF na jinsi ilifilisisha Africa nzima. SAP ilikuwa ni forceful privatisation of govt companies by IMF to foreigners. Africa actually de-industrialised during this period of the 80's. It is usually called "Africa's lost decade". Privatisation can back-fire , it doesn't always work. The most recent example is RVR (Rift valley Railways) which was privatised to an Egyptian consortium that was so corrupt they destroyed the company. Profitable govt companies should never be privatised. That is my opinion. Hizo zingine loss-making companies wanaeza uza
 
joto la jiwe said:
Since when China became a capitalist?, Do you even know the difference between capitalism and Socialism?
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Even China has started seeing the light. They have embarked on privatizing some of their State Owed Enterprises.

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Tony254 said:
I don't support this privatisation thing. Watu wengine hapa wanasema eti privatisation ni nzuri. Nakumbuka nikifunzwa mambo ya SAP (Structural adjustment programmes) ya IMF na jinsi ilifilisisha Africa nzima. SAP ilikuwa ni forceful privatisation of govt companies by IMF to foreigners. Africa actually de-industrialised during this period of the 80's. It is usually called "Africa's lost decade". Privatisation can back-fire , it doesn't always work. The most recent example is RVR (Rift valley Railways) which was privatised to an Egyptian consortium that was so corrupt they destroyed the company. Profitable govt companies should never be privatised. That is my opinion. Hizo zingine loss-making companies wanaeza uza
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Safaricom was privatized in 2000.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Does that means capitalism?, Nenda uone wanavyofanya wachina, Serikali inabaki kuwa biggest share holder, na share zinazouzwa zinauzwa kwa community.
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Not in every instance. Some they are ready to dump completely.
China has over 150,000 state owned enterprises. The vast majority are under-performing and in same cases on the verge of collapse.
Bu here you only give 2 or 3 well performing and famous examples.
 
kennedy0000 said:
My point is RVR is the single horror story you can think of.
Other privatizations have to the most part worked well.
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Kwanini hutaki kuanga nje ya profit?. Private sector inaangalia faida pekee. Ndio sababu zinaendesha biashara kwa ufanisi zaidi, Leo hii KPA unaweza kuwa imeajiri zaidi ya wakenya elfu 4, mkiwapa private sector watabakisha elfu moja pekee, yes efficiency itaongeza but in expense of unemployment, how do you balance this if you are the President of Kenya?
 
kennedy0000 said:
Starting mostly in 1978.
When it undertook economic reforms. Allowing private inverstors to operate their own business. Opening up special economic zones etc.
Know your history.

Soma hapa - How China went from communist to capitalist
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Most of China's mjor companies are govt owned. E.g Construction and banks.
kennedy0000 said:
Safaricom was privatized in 2000.
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My opinion is based on what experts said about effects of privatisation on Africa's de-industrialisation. Even Imf itself admitted privatisation in Africa didn't work, it caused more poverty and unemployment. I know you know in the 80's most African governments used to own steel meels, cotton ginneries and so on. Unemployment was low, even here in Kenya. Imf with their jealousy of Africa's prosperity came to Africa in the pretext that Africa has too much debt and the governments have to stop doing commercial business. Governments were forced to fire people and sell very very profitable companies to foreign white masters who
bought the companies at a throw away price and were only interested in re-selling the companies to make a profit or breaking them down into smaller units and selling them. Some white owners decided to outright abandon these African companies after one or two years and so local business men bought them and mismanaged them and most of those companies are now dead. In Africa and Latin America, Imf admitted that the American model of privatisation did not work, they even apologized to African governments for destroying our economies.. I request you to kindly read about SAP programmes in Africa and Latin America. Safaricom worked, that is true, some privatisation works but don't assume all privatisation works. That is the mistake Imf did and Africa paid for it, for ten years in 80's Africa was in recession ( zero or negative economic growth). This is my opinion, you have the right to hold your own opinion too.
 
Tony254 said:
Most of China's mjor companies are govt owned. E.g Construction and banks.
My opinion is based on what experts said about effects of privatisation on Africa's de-industrialisation. Even Imf itself admitted privatisation in Africa didn't work, it caused more poverty and unemployment. I know you know in the 80's most African governments used to own steel meels, cotton ginneries and so on. Unemployment was low, even here in Kenya. Imf with their jealousy of Africa's prosperity came to Africa in the pretext that Africa has too much debt and the governments have to stop doing commercial business. Governments were forced to fire people and sell very very profitable companies to foreign white masters who
bought the companies at a throw away price and were only interested in re-selling the companies to make a profit or breaking them down into smaller units and selling them. Some white owners decided to outright abandon these African companies after one or two years and so local business men bought them and mismanaged them and most of those companies are now dead. In Africa and Latin America, Imf admitted that the American model of privatisation did not work, they even apologized to African governments for destroying our economies.. I request you to kindly read about SAP programmes in Africa and Latin America. Safaricom worked, that is true, some privatisation works but don't assume all privatisation works. That is the mistake Imf did and Africa paid for it, for ten years in 80's Africa was in recession ( zero or negative economic growth). This is my opinion, you have the right to hold your own opinion too.
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Huyu jamaa yeye anachoangalia ni profit pekee, hajali mamilioni ya watu wanapkosa kazi kwasababu ya privatization. Yeye anaulizia Tanzania mna mashirika mangapi tajika, lakini hajiulizi kwanini Kenya inakampuni kubwa na nyingi tajika lakini unemployment ipo kubwa kuliko Tanzania yenye mashirika machache. Hajiulizi kwanini Tanzania inajenga miradi mingi kwa kutumia pesa ya ndani kuliko Kenya yenye makampuni mengi yenye kutengeneza faida kubwa.
 
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