Kwaiyo unamaanisha mnatakiwa mpate vita ndio muwe active?achana nae hajui anachoongea. mm ni mwanajesh najua maana ya vita. watz wengi tunaishi kwa iman tukiamini kila kitu kipo kama tunavofikiri. no research no right to speak! ni kama tulivoamini serenget boys itashinda tu..tukakuta tunabamizwa..hatujakuwa na vita toka 1978..unapata wap ujasir wa kulinganisha jesh letu na kenya? kenya tunajua wako kwenye vita na alshaabab lazma jesj lao liwe imara otherwise hata kenya ingevamiwa. sisi mabomu tuliyokuwa nayo ni yale ya kizamani yaliyo exipire na kuuwa raia gongolamboto na mbagala unawezeje kulinganisha na kenya wanaonunua vifaa vya kisasa had leo?. achen utani wekeni ukweli. unaweza kuwa na tactics za kijeshi lakini huna nyenzo utamweza wapi mwenye silaha?. unless tumeingia kwenye vita vitakavyo tufanya tuwe active hatuwez lingamisha jeshi letu kwa namna yoyote na wenzetu. tuwe wakwel kwa hili.
ni hatari sana kuweka wazi humu...naweza jichimbia mbichi nikijifanya muungwana...Kwa vigezo gani
Kuna watu wanasema jeshi la TZ lina vifaa vya kizamani, nitajie nchi yoyote Afrika mashariki na kati wanaomiliki vifaa hivi ambavyo vilinunuliwa hata kabla mwaka 2010 jiulize vile ambavyo havitakiwi kupigwa picha ni silaha za aina gani.
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Nimejaribu nini Kenya wananunua, kuna T-72 tanks, WZ551 ifv, Huey copters, CS VP3 MRAP, ZW-9 copters, Nora B-52 howtzers, air tractor AT-802L etc. Sijaona silaha yoyote ya kisasa kwa wakenya afadhali hata Uganda wana T-90 tanks. SU-30 na zingine nzuri. Tatizo la wakenya ni majivuno mengi sana hata ukisoma ile national defence white paper yao kujisifu kwingi sana.
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And let me ask u, how possibly can a military exact good tactics without efficient logistics?Naquotw part of the staement
''Global Firepower, an agency that assesses the military strength of nations, ranks Kenya as the most powerful nation in East Africa based on its manpower, range of weaponry, logistical flexibility and budgets.''
Je hapo ni wapi GFP imesema kenya wapo vzuri tactically??? Wapi wameongelea margin of error au casualty count control kma moja ya vigezo au ukishinda vita huku mmekufa kma kuku unakuwa best army???
Hawa hawa GFP walirank best army ever kuwa ni Wermacht/Heer (nazi germany) kwa sababu tu walikuwa na best tactics even though outnumbered by russians and allied forces!!!! Na pia wakalinganisha death toll ya germany soldiers compared to Allies wakagundua though germany lost ila walikuwa na efficient army sasa naomba uniambie wapi wamesema kenya has the best tactics?????
I never stated anywhere that "intelligence is different from tactics".Mkuu nimetoa mfano tu mmoja maana umedai intelligence is different from tactics sa nikuelezeje??? Ndio nmekupa mfano kuwa not only intelligence ilifanya kazi ila pia walihalt attack kwa actual battleground kitu ambacho kenya hawajahi fanya as far as al shabaab is concerned.
Ila kuhusu tactics nmekupa mifano ya UPDF ilipopigana CAR,chad,somalia pia (wao ndio walikuaa wakwanza kufika na wakwanza kuikomboa mogadishu) also walipigana DRC na battle zote hizo imekuwa a huge success sasa nipe track record ya kenya hapa kma sio kukimbilia kismayo sijui kismayu!!!! Hivi wwe unajua museveni kapigana na rebels wangapi tokea ashike power hadi leo?? Hyo experience kenya wanayo??? Ndioo maana nkasema kenya is the best lakini kwa STRATEGY rwanda and uganda wako mbali!!
Unaposema naongea rubbish coz of patriotic jealous mbona mmi nmeisifu rwanda na ugands wakati mmmi ni mtanzania???? Kma patriotism si ningesifia tanzania??
Anyway nipe track record ya kenya vitani maana naona mfano wako ni kismayu tu na kulazimisha kenya kubadilisha tide wakati u know very well uganda waliweka foundations and opened up ways for other troops to enter somalia afu unasahau unawasifia hao KDF ambao death toll yao huko somalia kwa hii miaka mitatu is higher than the UPDF casualties who have operated in somaloa for 10 years now!!!! Then i hear best
Mkuu uwe unasoma kwanza kabla ya kuandikaachana nae hajui anachoongea. mm ni mwanajesh najua maana ya vita. watz wengi tunaishi kwa iman tukiamini kila kitu kipo kama tunavofikiri. no research no right to speak! ni kama tulivoamini serenget boys itashinda tu..tukakuta tunabamizwa..hatujakuwa na vita toka 1978..unapata wap ujasir wa kulinganisha jesh letu na kenya? kenya tunajua wako kwenye vita na alshaabab lazma jesj lao liwe imara otherwise hata kenya ingevamiwa. sisi mabomu tuliyokuwa nayo ni yale ya kizamani yaliyo exipire na kuuwa raia gongolamboto na mbagala unawezeje kulinganisha na kenya wanaonunua vifaa vya kisasa had leo?. achen utani wekeni ukweli. unaweza kuwa na tactics za kijeshi lakini huna nyenzo utamweza wapi mwenye silaha?. unless tumeingia kwenye vita vitakavyo tufanya tuwe active hatuwez lingamisha jeshi letu kwa namna yoyote na wenzetu. tuwe wakwel kwa hili.
achana nae hajui anachoongea. mm ni mwanajesh najua maana ya vita. watz wengi tunaishi kwa iman tukiamini kila kitu kipo kama tunavofikiri. no research no right to speak! ni kama tulivoamini serenget boys itashinda tu..tukakuta tunabamizwa..hatujakuwa na vita toka 1978..unapata wap ujasir wa kulinganisha jesh letu na kenya? kenya tunajua wako kwenye vita na alshaabab lazma jesj lao liwe imara otherwise hata kenya ingevamiwa. sisi mabomu tuliyokuwa nayo ni yale ya kizamani yaliyo exipire na kuuwa raia gongolamboto na mbagala unawezeje kulinganisha na kenya wanaonunua vifaa vya kisasa had leo?. achen utani wekeni ukweli. unaweza kuwa na tactics za kijeshi lakini huna nyenzo utamweza wapi mwenye silaha?. unless tumeingia kwenye vita vitakavyo tufanya tuwe active hatuwez lingamisha jeshi letu kwa namna yoyote na wenzetu. tuwe wakwel kwa hili.
Mkuu nakubali efficient logistics pia ni essential kwenye TACTICS lakini je ina make sense kma mna logistical flexibility nzuri but poor planning??? TACTICS ni battle formations mkuu so its more of paperwork hapo inahitajika na IQ kubwa ili kuweza kufanya planning nzuri such that one attack brings damage to the opponent na hapo ndipo kenya hampawezi Rwanda and Uganda!!!!! Anyway take ur time ukasome kitabu cha Genereal Nathan Bedford ameandika such tactics include:And let me ask u, how possibly can a military exact good tactics without efficient logistics?
Jibu swali langu, is it possible for a military to carry out successful tactics without good logistics?Mkuu uwe unasoma kwanza kabla ya kuandika
.... wapi nimesema tz is better than kenya????
NILICHOSEMA ni kenya is better than all armies East africa kwenye specific areas zilizotajwa na hao waliotengeneza report hii yaani GFP na maeneo hayo ni military budget, logistics flexibility, manpower na equipment na hii simply ni kwa sababu kenya ina uchumi mkubwa kulilo other East african countries ila hoja yangu mmi ni kuwa kuwa na equipment nyingi bila tactics haina maana kabisa na nimetolea mfano wa nchi kma uGANDA na rwanda ambazo kwangu mmi ndio best armies kwa strategy hapa Africa mashariki ssa wapi nmeitaja tanzania????
Nimetoa mfano wa vita ya Congo War both 1 and 2... hao wanyarwanda na jeshi la watu wasiozidi laki moja walipiga mpaka kinshasa in 2 weeks tena back and forth ndani ya miaka 3 tu na wakati by then DRC was one of the biggest and strongest armies hapa Africa!!!!! Ssa kma kigezo cha kuwa best army ni simply coz u have equipment and manpower hao Rwanda walishindaje Congo war more so against 13 countries???????
Kenya sikatai ni the best lakini si vigezo vimewekwa vichache tu hapo?? Strategy na tactics si hazipo ssa mnanishambulia nni??? Leteni hapa facts kuprove kenya has best tactics kuzidi rwanda and uganda maana mmi nmetoa facts kuwa kwenye tactics experience matters na ug so far na rwanda ndio zimepigana vita nyingi sana kuliko kenya au tanzania ssa unategemea kenya wawazidi tacrics???
Haya mkuu wwe unasema kenya is the best coz its army is active more so somalia pekee ila wajua uganda inapigana somalia,chad,CAR,sudan kusini na sudan pamoja na DRC kuwapursue ADF Nalu afu ndio utalinganisha na hao wakenya wanaopigwa na wavaa yebo yebo???? U got to be kiddin me
Anyway nipe track record ya jeshi la kenya ili mniprove wrong mkiachana na mfano wa somalia maana ndio mmeng'ang'ania hadi basi
I rest my case
Mkuu uwe unasoma uzi vzuri kabla ya kucomment kwahyo una maana kipimo cha TACTICS ni kupambana na al shabaab pekee????? Mie nmetoa mifano ya track record ya rwanda na uganda na wwe fanya ivo sio unalalia somalia wakati afterall vita imewashinda !!!Ubongo ni vizuri kutumia saa zingine. Hizo taifa zote unataja hapo, ngapi zinashare border na Somalia?
Before Alshabab wafike Uganda, lazima wapitie Kenya. In short, Uganda is safe from Alshabab because of a strong Kenya.
Ukisema hatuna tactics sijui ata kama unajiskiza ukiongea. Zaidi ya miaka 3 sasa bila any serious terror attack in Kenya. Unadhani tumefika hapa bila strategy?
KDF wameeua maelfu ya Alshabab bila strategy?
KDF wamekomboa towns hizo zote Somalia bila strategy?
Tumeinvest billions kwa hii operation bila strategy?
Alshabab wanauana wenyewe kwa wenyewe wakisema kuna spies wa Kenya. Hii yote wadhani ni bila strategy?
Na hii yote kumbuka tunapigana na watu ambao mchana ni raia usiku ghaidi.
Kama hii ndio matokeo ya kukosa tactics na strategy, wacha tukae bila.
France yenyewe imekuwa na more attacks kuliko Kenya.
Na hii Uganda unasema wana army better, miaka ngapi sasa hawajaweza kumaliza Kony?
Enda usome KDF wetu walimaliza wale maghaidi wa Mt Elgon na siku ngapi.
Kusema Alshabaab hawawezi vamia mall Uganda ama Rwanda inaonyesha ata huelewi kazi ya jeshi. Hio ni a matter of internal security. Yaani polisi.
Kazi ya jeshi ni kumaliza hii threat nje ya taifa.
Rwanda na Uganda are not primary targets for Alshabab. Alafu they don't share a 700km long border with Somalia.
Ukweli usemwe. Kama vita ingekuwa baina ya Kenya na nchi ingine, hapo ndio tungejua nguvu kamili.
In this case, kama ingekuwa Kenya vs Tanzania, huu wimbo wako wa KDF hawana tactics ungeisha saa mbili asubuhi after all your airbases have been flattened.
Yeah its possible coz tactics zipo 9 hapo juu!!! Na ndio standard zinazokubalika kimataifa mpaka sandhurst zinatumika!!!Jibu swali langu, is it possible for a military to carry out successful tactics without good logistics?
Kama unataka track record ya Kenyan army, Kenya haijawahi kujigusisha na vita, hili ndilo la kwanza. Lakn imewahi mara nyingi sana kucontribute peacekeeping missions to troubled regions of the world, as far as Bosnia infact.
If Kenya can succeed in the hotbed of violence that is Somalia, why should it be inconcievable that they would prevail in the DRC or the CAR?
Now, back to the tactics. Answer my questions above.
Unasema hamna track record kwa kuwa hamjapigana vita!!!! Ssa ndio nikwambia ukasome vitabu vya mastrategist wote wa vita na mmi mmevisoma nichallenge popote pale ila Sun Tzu mpaka green hadi general bradford wote wanakiri kuwa TACTICS RESULTS FROM EXPERIENCE!!!! je nyie amateurs kwenye vita ambayo somalia ndio debut yenu mtacompare na wapiganaji kma kina museveni na kagame ambao half of thr lives wametumia kwenye battlefield???? Lets be honest bila experience huwezi kuwa na tactics and thats a principal haibadiliki na inafundushwa hivyo na hao wasomi sio KDF!!!Jibu swali langu, is it possible for a military to carry out successful tactics without good logistics?
Kama unataka track record ya Kenyan army, Kenya haijawahi kujigusisha na vita, hili ndilo la kwanza. Lakn imewahi mara nyingi sana kucontribute peacekeeping missions to troubled regions of the world, as far as Bosnia infact.
If Kenya can succeed in the hotbed of violence that is Somalia, why should it be inconcievable that they would prevail in the DRC or the CAR?
Now, back to the tactics. Answer my questions above.
If Kenya doesnt employ those strategies u have outlines above, then why this?Mkuu nakubali efficient logistics pia ni essential kwenye TACTICS lakini je ina make sense kma mna logistical flexibility nzuri but poor planning??? TACTICS ni battle formations mkuu so its more of paperwork hapo inahitajika na IQ kubwa ili kuweza kufanya planning nzuri such that one attack brings damage to the opponent na hapo ndipo kenya hampawezi Rwanda and Uganda!!!!! Anyway take ur time ukasome kitabu cha Genereal Nathan Bedford ameandika such tactics include:
Objective (Direct every military operation towards a clearly defined, decisive, and attainable objective)
Offensive (Seize, retain, and exploit the initiative)
Mass (Concentrate combat power at the decisive place and time)
Economy of Force (Allocate minimum essential combat power to secondary efforts)
Maneuver (Place the enemy in a disadvantageous position through the flexible application of combat power)
Unity of Command (For every objective, ensure unity of effort under one responsible commander)
Security (Never permit the enemy to acquire an unexpected advantage)
Surprise (Strike the enemy at a time, at a place, or in a manner for which he is unprepared)
Simplicity (Prepare clear, uncomplicated plans and clear, concise orders to ensure thorough understanding)
Hizo ndio zinafanya ushinde vita even though napoleon kaandika zaidi ya 115 ila hizi ni core to survival in thr battlefield ssa nipe mfano wa jinsi kenya imeweza fulfill hizo tactics/strategy hapo juu kma tu westgate mnapeleka tanks wakati adui zenu wako pamoja na raia!!!!! Hapo mlifanya logistical flexibiliy nzuri but poor PLANNING!!!!!!
By the way nasubiri track record ya wakenya vitani ili na mmi nkuletee ya UPDF na RDF!!!!
Mkuu uwe unasoma uzi vzuri kabla ya kucomment kwahyo una maana kipimo cha TACTICS ni kupambana na al shabaab pekee????? Mie nmetoa mifano ya track record ya rwanda na uganda na wwe fanya ivo sio unalalia somalia wakati afterall vita imewashinda !!!
Anyway ripoti imesema kenya is best in military budget na equipment and manpower asa mie kusema tactics hamuiwezi rwanda na ug nakosea wapi?? Nipe track record ya vita mlioshinda achana na somalia wanapowatoa kamasi!!!! Na mie nikupe hapa ripoti ya battles za wanyarwanda tokea 1996 to date ulinganishe uamue
Am waitin
Unaona unavyodhihirisha upumbavu wako? Kwa hivyo njia moja tu ya jeshi kuwa adept at war ni kushiriki vita? Kenya army imesomea mbinu zote za vita, kupitia training by military experts from Britain and America, pamoja na their peace missions abroad ambako walikumbana na vita.Unasema hamna track record kwa kuwa hamjapigana vita!!!! Ssa ndio nikwambia ukasome vitabu vya mastrategist wote wa vita na mmi mmevisoma nichallenge popote pale ila Sun Tzu mpaka green hadi general bradford wote wanakiri kuwa TACTICS RESULTS FROM EXPERIENCE!!!! je nyie amateurs kwenye vita ambayo somalia ndio debut yenu mtacompare na wapiganaji kma kina museveni na kagame ambao half of thr lives wametumia kwenye battlefield???? Lets be honest bila experience huwezi kuwa na tactics and thats a principal haibadiliki na inafundushwa hivyo na hao wasomi sio KDF!!!
Mkuu nani kakataa kenya wapo juu hoja yangy hawawawezi rwanda and uganda period ssa unachobisha hasa wwe ni nni?? Na nmeshakupa track record ya wanyarwanda hakuna jeshi limeweza kusafisha DRC congo toka rwanda iondoe majeshi yake mwaka 2003!!! Ndio uwalinganishe na kenya???If Kenya doesnt employ those strategies u have outlines above, then why this?
KDF Record Successful Operations since Somalia Entry
My friend, even the most powwrful militaries have experienced humiliating setbacks in their operations against the terrorists.
Duh we nani kasema nacompare tanzania na nyie wakenya.... hyo ni debate nyingine ambayo itakuwa settled practically siku mkileta ushenzi wenu ila kwa ssa ni kwamba RWANDA /UGANDA kwa strategy na tactics ni beter kuliko kenya na hilo halina ubishi!!Wewe ndio umekuwa guru wa kupima tactics. Uganda yenyewe unataja hapa imepigana maisha yake yote na rebels na wameshindwa kabisa kuwamaliza.
Hii uganda imekuwa Somalia miaka mingi. Isipokuwa ni Kenya iliingia kwa kishindo, Alshabab wangekuwa wamespread kila mahali East Africa.
Usiongee tu ndio uone umeongea.
KDF haijawai lose vita ata moja. Casuality wake hawapatikani the conventional way. Yaani maafa haikuwa kwa battlefield.
Na ndio nikakwambia ile siku TPDF itasema ngw'e ndio utajua tactics na strategy bila vifaa ni bure.
Usidhani kwa sababu jeshi lenu limeweza nyamazisha wanasiasa wa upinzani linaweza vita.
Vigezo vipi vinatumika kupima uwezo wa kijeshi wa nchi FulaniHata kiuchumi kenya iko juu