Kenya's Oil to go through Hoima Tanga Pipeline

Kenya's Oil to go through Hoima Tanga Pipeline

total can never build a new pipeline while your fielf size is only 600m barrels. first your oil is not commercial with the current oil price.

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660m barrels, that was the proven quantity in 2014/15. More oil has been discovered since then, and more still expected.

But that is neither here nor there. Kenyan oil, however little or much it is, it will not be conveyed to the outside market via Uganda and Tanzania, yet Kenya is not landlocked.
 
The Acacia mining Co. itself is not even worth a fraction of that amount, and it is not likely that the company even looted even 10bn$ from Tanzania. The penalty is excessive.

Ofcoss this is nothing but mere chest beating, they will get close to nothing in terms of reparation.

Kenya will not go that route of DRC, Nigeria and Tanzania where those mining companies have manipulated those govts, robbed from the pipo, environmental degradation, stoked civil wars and widespread poverty and suffering.

Minerals have been a curse to most African countries, and Kenya must ferociously guard against being yet another statistic.

Things MUST be done in accordance with our laws and interests.

Those are wishful thinking. so long as you chose someone to do oil thing for you due to lack of funds and technical capacity you don't have choice. You have a limited sovereign and granted it to your counterpart. no way these guys are aimed at maximising the stake value of shareholders. they don't care about your strategic plans or what.

If wishes were pipelines I could give one to my neighbour. te teh teh teh teh teh tihiii
 
Those are wishful thinking. so long as you chose someone to do oil thing for you due to lack of funds and technical capacity you don't have choice. You have a limited sovereign and granted it to your counterpart. no way these guys are aimed at maximising the stake value of shareholders. they don't care about your strategic plans or what.

If wishes were pipelines I could give one to my neighbour. te teh teh teh teh teh tihiii
What do u mean we have no choice?

No wonder u have nothing to show for your vast mining industry, still an Ldc in 2017, cos of this attitude of uoga.

That would mean that even if the Kenyan oil were to pass thru Tanzania, it wont have any impact on your economic development for u do not own the pipeline, and u just have to accede to the oil companies biddings even if they are not in your favor.
 
Those are wishful thinking. so long as you chose someone to do oil thing for you due to lack of funds and technical capacity you don't have choice. You have a limited sovereign and granted it to your counterpart. no way these guys are aimed at maximising the stake value of shareholders. they don't care about your strategic plans or what.

If wishes were pipelines I could give one to my neighbour. te teh teh teh teh teh tihiii


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Look at the system of governance in Kenya in comparison to any other govt in the region.

Mr. Uhuru Kenyatta CANNOT just make a declaration for this or that to happen and it happens without objections. There is a process, a very long winded and tedious process.

That is why I say Kenya is NOT Tanzania or Uganda. There are laws.
 
Iconoclastes
you don't need to attack on me. what was trying to point out was just a fact from financiers and investors point of view. maximising the share holdings value is their main objective.
 
The more I look at it the more I see Kenya not accepting such a deal.. Not unless Total can really throw some big money to Kenya, Like lets say an oil refinery on Kenyan soil will Kenya accept Total's Proposal
 
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Look at the system of governance in Kenya in comparison to any other govt in the region.

Mr. Uhuru Kenyatta CANNOT just make a declaration for this or that to happen and it happens without objections. There is a process, a very long winded and tedious process.

That is why I say Kenya is NOT Tanzania or Uganda. There are laws.
This shows the level of ignorance to some Kenyans about East Africa politics. Are saying Tanzania has no laws? What is our parliament and parliamentary committees doing. Last time I check Tanzania was following Commonwealth Parliament system where most of government business has to pass through parliament. If Kenya president can't do anything (kind of odd considering the level of bureaucracy that will create) what are presidential executive order for?
 
They came themselves, and they came scrambling for the opportunuty to get at least a piece of the exploration cake.

Kenya is the majority shareholder, and it is amusing how u talk about us being bullied into submitting into every whim of these multinational oil companies.
I already told u, Kenya is not your average African country, a banana republic like Tanzania that can be pushed around like that.

I already posted u the Kenyan law regarding minerals management.

I hope u have the brains to grasp it.



No wonder Tanzania is still an LDC despite being endowed with almost every type of valuable minerals in abudant quantities.
You yield to every demand of these multinationals. You have no balls to stand up against their naked exploitation.

Makanikia comes to mind.

Your president now looks like a very beffudled "Mega- Fool" in the eyes of the world, demanding $150bn from Acacia over their alleged decades of stealing from the Tanzanian people. But one wonders what Tanzanians had been doing all these time whilst this theft of your minerals was happening......at such a grand scale.

And u really expect them to pay u that $150bn?

Ijiots....




Kenya is not Tanzania.
At least Tanzania have put the bill on table in tune of $150 bln, someone out there owes Tanzania that amount of money. Wherever they pay it or not but the bill is on table and some owes us. Same as EU slap huge fine to Apple and Google, or Chinese slap fine to GM motors, or even US slap fine to BP and Barclay Bank. The question is, who owes Kenya?? Do Kenya have any huge bill waiting to be settled? Any????
 
Imagine..hawa Watu wanataka $150 bn ilhali GDP Yao ni $55 bn. Ati wanataka malipo three times their economy.Enyewe ata thinking capacity ya wengine wao is in doubt.
Use calculator don't guess. I knew Kenyan they don't know mathematics
 
Nimetoka kusoma comment section ya East African nimecheka jinsi Wakenya walivyo watupu. Wanaongea utafikiri wana mafuta loads of barrels!

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wakenya wajinga sana. they know nothing. oil and gas is business and not politics. TOTAL bought Kenyan fields bacause the pipeline (hoima-tanga) is very close and not for any other reason. eti leo wakenya wanasema total has again to use another $3b to build another pipeline to lamu eti for the reason you have your own port. Yaan wanadhani thinga are that simple.

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Hakuna agreement Kenya imesign na Tullow/Total isipokuwa exploration license ambayo iko subject to renewal na Kenya inaeza kataa kurenew hio exploration license. Pili Total own 25% shares of this oil so they have no say. Tatu, mali ni ya Kenya na hiyo production license has not been signed. Environmental impact assessment has not been done. Hakuna vile Tullow/Total watatuambia jinsi ya kutumia mafuta yetu. G.O.K kwa strategic plan ya vision 2030 ilisema pipeline ni lazima ipitie Lamu. Get this into your thick skulls Tanzanians, G.O.K INAEZA JENGA HIO PIPELINE NA PESA YAKE. INAEZA OMBA LOAN CHINA OR WHEREVER.Ndio utajua Wakenya ni vichwa ngumu. Sisi apana tambua
hakuna production licence for your info. we have what we call GSA general sales agreement. alafu total wao hawajasign contract na kenya. Total have only farm in. Kenya wao wamesign mkataba na maersk/tullow lakin si total. so total will use the same mkataba PSA -PRODUCTION SHARING AGREEMENT

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There is oil marketing aspect of that u people don't know how those main oil producer can **** up Kenya. Na kama mtachukua loan kwa Chinese na mbona msipewe mpaka sasa tangu Keter apige kelele za machungu ya kukosa Uganda deal ati mtajenga pipeline, ni mara ngapi mmebadilisha maamuzi? Mara mseme mtasafirisha kwa SGR 1960s locomotives mara kwa trucks sasa nasikia mnataka kusafirisha kwa punda kama si slavery caravan. [emoji85] [emoji23] [emoji115]

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Chines can never fund such a stupid project

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Iconoclastes
you don't need to attack on me. what was trying to point out was just a fact from financiers and investors point of view. maximising the share holdings value is their main objective.
I havent attacked you personally, but your statements which I found quite asinine, and have attacked them in the mildest manner possible.

Those financiers and investors u are talking about clearly, in their thinking are still grounded in the outmoded form of business dealings that involve intimidation and coercion, the the strong and the willy ones manipulating and duping the weak and the dull.

Fairness and cooperation thru trade agreements and understanding is the way of doing business these days my friend. And there exist laws in Kenya to guarantee that.

Total will just have to listen to, and put into consideration Kenyans' points of view regarding this matter. It will be better that way than if arrogance and coercion characterize their dealings with Kenyans.

Why????

This shows the level of ignorance to some Kenyans about East Africa politics. Are saying Tanzania has no laws? What is our parliament and parliamentary committees doing. Last time I check Tanzania was following Commonwealth Parliament system where most of government business has to pass through parliament. If Kenya president can't do anything (kind of odd considering the level of bureaucracy that will create) what are presidential executive order for?
Any major decision by the Executive must enjoy the approval of both the Parliament and the Judiciary.

This separation of power exists to guard against another risk of an individual- the president misusing his/her power as witnessed during the Jomo Kenyatta and the Moi era in particular. In other words, the president being the law unto himself.

Now, see how this will make it next to impossible for multinational firms such as Total to impose their will on Kenya cos of their immense financial powers, for they will not be dealing with one person or entity weilding all the political powers and making all the decisions for the whole country.
The executive, the two chambers of parliament and the pipo represented by the opposition and the civil society will all be involved.

The Kenyan President/ executive cannot make decisions without consultations with all these parties.

That however is not the case in Tanzania. Same with Uganda. (Tell me not about your commonwealth parliamentary system, for your system, esp now under the ********, is akin more to an autocratic system of government than a parliamentary democracy. Your claimed democracy is a charade, and the Totals like dealing more with such govts.)

In Kenya, anybody who will be opposed to the deal btwn the govt and such multinationals can launch a litigation in the court of law. The court decision in Kenya is final as per the law.

And where else in East Africa is the civil society groups as active as here in Kenya?

Kenya is not Tanzania!
 
hakuna production licence for your info. we have what we call GSA general sales agreement. alafu total wao hawajasign contract na kenya. Total have only farm in. Kenya wao wamesign mkataba na maersk/tullow lakin si total. so total will use the same mkataba PSA -PRODUCTION SHARING AGREEMENT

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Do u know what is contained in the Maersk/ Tullow agreement, the terms of the deal?
 
very simple; you just need spur which will cost you $ 10m or you go for a full pipeline which will cost you $3b.

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We will go for the costlier option, its economic multiplier effect will be much more immense in the long run than that other cheaper option.

But I asked u about the terms of the Maersk/Tullow + Kenya deal.
 
We will go for the costlier option, its economic multiplier effect will be much more immense in the long run than that other cheaper option.

But I asked u about the terms of the Maersk/Tullow + Kenya deal.
lets wait and see
 
Any major decision by the Executive must enjoy the approval of both the Parliament and the Judiciary.

This separation of power exists to guard against another risk of an individual- the president misusing his/her power as witnessed during the Jomo Kenyatta and the Moi era in particular. In other words, the president being the law unto himself.

Now, see how this will make it next to impossible for multinational firms such as Total to impose their will on Kenya cos of their immense financial powers, for they will not be dealing with one person or entity weilding all the political powers and making all the decisions for the whole country.
The executive, the two chambers of parliament and the pipo represented by the opposition and the civil society will all be involved.

The Kenyan President/ executive cannot make decisions without consultations with all these parties.

That however is not the case in Tanzania. Same with Uganda. (Tell me not about your commonwealth parliamentary system, for your system, esp now under the ********, is akin more to an autocratic system of government than a parliamentary democracy. Your claimed democracy is a charade, and the Totals like dealing more with such govts.)

In Kenya, anybody who will be opposed to the deal btwn the govt and such multinationals can launch a litigation in the court of law. The court decision in Kenya is final as per the law.

And where else in East Africa is the civil society groups are as active as here in Kenya?

Kenya is not Tanzania!

You really need to familiarise yourself with presidential executive orders. The president has been invested with power to discharge orders for benefit of the country. He might chose to take recommendations but the president has a final say of what is happening in the country. Some of those decisions do not require parliament debated or approval, president decision is final. The same power the president has to refuse to sign any law which was created by act of parliament and no one can do anything about it.

As much as you might want to believe that everything in Kenya is debated by the parliament, just look back and count how many executive orders has been issued or signed by Uhuru Kenyatta in the past 5years.

Here are some of those orders,
Uhuru issues 'executive order' on his choice for Nairobi Speaker - Nairobi News
Uhuru's Executive Order to Address Nairobi Traffic
 
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