Kwanini kitabu cha Enoch kinapingwa vikali na Wanathiolojia?

Kwanini kitabu cha Enoch kinapingwa vikali na Wanathiolojia?

Gavana said:
Books Mentioned, But Not Found, In The Bible

There are twenty-two books mentioned in the Bible, but not included.

The variation is due to possible double mentions using differing names for the same book.​

Book of the Covenant

Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
There are those that believe the Book of the Covenant is found in Exodus chapters 20 through 23. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

Book of the Wars of the Lord

Numbers 21:14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
Certain sources believe that this is to be found by drawing text from several Old Testament books. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

Book of Jasher Here We have the entire book on this site Here

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)


The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes

1 Samuel 10:25 Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the Lord. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.

Book of Samuel the Seer

1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,


Nathan the Prophet

1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?


Acts of Solomon

1 Kings 11:41 And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

Shemaiah the Prophet

2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.


Prophecy of Abijah

2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Story of Prophet Iddo

2 Chronicles 13:22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.


Visions of Iddo the Seer

2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?


Iddo Genealogies

2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.


Book of Jehu

2 Chronicles 20:34 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

Sayings of the Seers Here

2 Chronicles 33:19 His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.


Book of Enoch Here

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Book of Gad the Seer

1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,


Epistle to Corinth Here

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

Epistle to the Ephesians (Missing)

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians (Missing)

Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.


Nazarene Prophecy Source

Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene


Acts of Uziah

2 Chronicles 26:22 Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

The Annals of King David

1 Chronicles 27:24 Joab son of Zeruiah began to count the men but did not finish. Wrath came on Israel on account of this numbering, and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David.


Jude, the Missing Epistle

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.



DOES THE QURAN HOLD IN VALIDITY IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

I have been reading with interest the last few exchanges regarding the reading of Jeremiah 8:8.
JEREMIAH 8:8

"How can you say,We are wise, and the Law of the Lord is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie,"

Note: ( Whenever you see that term 'law of the Lord' the Hebrew word is Torah.)

To me with all due respect to my Christian brethern I think what is stated is crystal clear. This will aslo hope to explain insh'Allah why Jesus a.s was always so hard on the SCRIBES!

I think for those who don't believe that the Torah was lost to posterity at one time would do good to read the following insh'Allah.
2 KINGS 22:8

"And Hiil-kiah, the high priest,said unto Shaphan, the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord. And Hil-kiah gave the book to Sha phan, and he read it."

"The accession of Josiah and his eagerness to restore the worship of Jehovah led to the renovation of the Temple, and in the course of this, B.C. 621, the book of Deuteronomy was discovered. The priest took it to the king, who joyfully welcomed it and set about putting its program of religious reformation into effect. The dramatic story is told in 2 Kings 22 and 23. Josiah put a stop to the idolatrous practices of the people,..." (Edgar J. Goodspeed 'How came the Bible?' pgs22-23)

The Holy Quran is not the only book claiming that some previous scripture was lost! The Bible does, on occasion, mention books now lost to posterity.

EXAMPLES:

NUMBERS 21:14

"Wherefore it is said in the BOOK OF THE WARS OF THE LORD, What He did in the Red Sea, and in the brooks of Arnon..."
Has any one during an Archeological dig(to prove the Bible) found this little gem?
JOSHUA10:13

"...Is this not written in the BOOK OF JASHER?"

Does any one know where this book is?

I KINGS 11:41

"And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are not written in the BOOK OF THE ACTS OF SOLOMON?"

Could someone let me know where this book is?

1 CHRONICLES 29:29

"Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written a BOOK OF SAMUEL THE SEER, and in the BOOK OF NATHAN THE PROPHET, and in the BOOK OF GAD THE SEER,.."

Does anyone know where I may find these original books?

WHERE ARE THE ABOVE MENTIONED BOOKS?
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What a trash is this?!

At least to add weight. Show verse quoted by Allah in Qur'an that says Torah was Lost.

Stupid.

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2013 said:
What a trash is this?!

At least to add weight. Show verse quoted by Allah in Qur'an that says Torah was Lost.

Stupid.

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Take it easy Dude,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32 & Proverbs 30:5-6 and the categories of the Bible:


Christians are often quick to tell you that their modern-day "Bible" (different quantity of books and gospels, and different quantity of verses exist between bibles) is the "true living word of God." This is despite the fact that whatever bible we're confronted with, we can easily find countless contradictions between verses and contradictions even with history! Not only that, but ironically, even the Bible's own theologians admit that the bible is corrupt and was written by "mysterious" people. Not only that, but they also declare that the bible(s) contain fictions, fairy tales and fables:






Anyway, it is important for the reader to not fall into the tricks and deception of Jews and Christians, because the Bible's (any version) text is categorized differently. It can not all be lumped up into one big book and treat all verses and texts equally as the deceivers and liars do today! The following verses clearly prove this:


Deuteronomy 4:2

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.


Deuteronomy 12:32

See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Proverbs 30:5-6

5 Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.


Those who are familiar with the Bible (any modern-day bible) know that it is divided into the following categories:


1- The Torah. Also known as the five books of Moses. They are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.


Note: I finished going through the entire collection of "Moses' five books" and produced a rough draft article documenting the entire Mosaic Law (Thikr or Dhikr in Islam) containing all of the direct Commands that came down from Allah Almighty to Prophet Moses in the 5 books of Moses was added.



2- The Prophets. These are the remaining books of the Old Testament. Their quantity varies between bible to bible, and the quantity of verses in even the common books also vary between bible to bible.


3- The New Testament. This also has sub-categories in it such as (1) the four gospels (Mark, John, Luke and Matthew); (2) the Acts of the Apostles; (3) Pauline Epistles; (4) Epistle of the Hebrews; (5) General Epistles; (6) Revelation. The quantity of verses in the four gospels varies between bible to bible, and the quantity of the books in points 2, 3, 4 and 5 also vary between bible to bible.


Please visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible for more details.


Also, visit Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible to see the differences between the bibles.


Also, Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see quotes from the NIV and KJV Bible's theologians admitting that the bible is corrupt. They also brought into question many verses in common books.
 
Gavana said:
Take it easy Dude,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32 & Proverbs 30:5-6 and the categories of the Bible:


Christians are often quick to tell you that their modern-day "Bible" (different quantity of books and gospels, and different quantity of verses exist between bibles) is the "true living word of God." This is despite the fact that whatever bible we're confronted with, we can easily find countless contradictions between verses and contradictions even with history! Not only that, but ironically, even the Bible's own theologians admit that the bible is corrupt and was written by "mysterious" people. Not only that, but they also declare that the bible(s) contain fictions, fairy tales and fables:






Anyway, it is important for the reader to not fall into the tricks and deception of Jews and Christians, because the Bible's (any version) text is categorized differently. It can not all be lumped up into one big book and treat all verses and texts equally as the deceivers and liars do today! The following verses clearly prove this:


Deuteronomy 4:2

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.


Deuteronomy 12:32

See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Proverbs 30:5-6

5 Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.


Those who are familiar with the Bible (any modern-day bible) know that it is divided into the following categories:


1- The Torah. Also known as the five books of Moses. They are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.


Note: I finished going through the entire collection of "Moses' five books" and produced a rough draft article documenting the entire Mosaic Law (Thikr or Dhikr in Islam) containing all of the direct Commands that came down from Allah Almighty to Prophet Moses in the 5 books of Moses was added.



2- The Prophets. These are the remaining books of the Old Testament. Their quantity varies between bible to bible, and the quantity of verses in even the common books also vary between bible to bible.


3- The New Testament. This also has sub-categories in it such as (1) the four gospels (Mark, John, Luke and Matthew); (2) the Acts of the Apostles; (3) Pauline Epistles; (4) Epistle of the Hebrews; (5) General Epistles; (6) Revelation. The quantity of verses in the four gospels varies between bible to bible, and the quantity of the books in points 2, 3, 4 and 5 also vary between bible to bible.


Please visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible for more details.


Also, visit Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible to see the differences between the bibles.


Also, Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see quotes from the NIV and KJV Bible's theologians admitting that the bible is corrupt. They also brought into question many verses in common books.
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You see that how devil speaks. He always speaks for himself for his is a Liar and father of lies.

I asked you to show me, One Verse from Qur'an that says, Torah was corrupted. You couldn't. .
Failing to give me just One verse, makes all the talk gibberish.

That makes you a real Donkey!


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2013 said:
You see that how devil speaks. He always speaks for himself for his is a Liar and father of lies.

I asked you to show me, One Verse from Qur'an that says, Torah was corrupted. You couldn't. .
Failing to give me just One verse, makes all the talk gibberish.

That makes you a real Donkey!


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Take it easy Dude

So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

There are many versions revisions….

Please decide yourself.

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2013 said:
You see that how devil speaks. He always speaks for himself for his is a Liar and father of lies.

I asked you to show me, One Verse from Qur'an that says, Torah was corrupted. You couldn't. .
Failing to give me just One verse, makes all the talk gibberish.

That makes you a real Donkey!


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You like donkeys , Dude , I know why !!! Because of Ezekiel 23:20


Here are three verses that state the Jews distort the Torah:


Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?​

– 2:75


Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, “We hear and disobey” and “Hear but be not heard” and “Ra’ina,” twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], “We hear and obey” and “Wait for us [to understand],” it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.​

– 4:46


So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.​
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5:13​
 
Gavana said:
Take it easy Dude

So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

There are many versions revisions….

Please decide yourself.

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It doesn't matter how many Allah's you have. can be One Two whatever...
What matters Allah is not a True God.
Allah I'd a mythical God invented by quraish con prophet.
Mohammad never spoke to Allah,
Never met Allah
Never hear Allah
No Muslim Knows, who Allah is.

Mohammad never knew what God will do to him. That's alone makes him a slave. A slave will never inherit the Land, only the Son.

In your horible quran and Hadiths. It say Your destiny has been forged since birth. Whatever you are doing is a waste of time.

If Allah is so willed you will enter brothel even if you commit a heinous crime. But if you are destiny for hell, no matter how good deeds you have done, you will be roasted in fire.


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2013 said:
It doesn't matter how many Allah's you have. can be One Two whatever...
What matters Allah is not a True God.
Allah I'd a mythical God invented by quraish con prophet.
Mohammad never spoke to Allah,
Never met Allah
Never hear Allah
No Muslim Knows, who Allah is.

Mohammad never knew what God will do to him. That's alone makes him a slave. A slave will never inherit the Land, only the Son.

In your horible quran and Hadiths. It say Your destiny has been forged since birth. Whatever you are doing is a waste of time.

If Allah is so willed you will enter brothel even if you commit a heinous crime. But if you are destiny for hell, no matter how good deeds you have done, you will be roasted in fire.


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Too strange to be a coincidence! ​


According to the Biblical account, Pilate offered the Jews the release of just one prisoner and the cursed race chose Barabbas rather than gentle Jesus.

But hold on a minute: in the original text studied by Origen (and in some recent ones) the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Aramaic means ‘Son of the Father’!

Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!!

Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable.


Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning.
 
asante africa said:
Salam

Katika soma soma zangu na kutafuta ukweli na kumtafuta Mungu wa kweli nikagundua kuna vitabu viliondolewa kwenye biblia i.e non canonical books mfano ni book of Enoch na rest of Ester

Sababu zinazotolewa ni kwamba eti kina verses ambazo wao wanaamini hazikuongozwa na roho mtakatifu.

Nilichojifunza katika kitabu cha Enoch ni juu ya origin ya mtu mweupe (kina eleza Mungu aliumba mtu mweusi ila mtu mweupe alitokana na malaika wenye tamaa i.e fallen angels waliokuwa wakiwaingilia kimwili binadamu). Vile vile kinaeleza juu ya mpinga kristo na siku za mwisho.

Swali langu:
Nini kinachowafanya wajue kama ni hekima za binadamu ukilinganisha na vitabu vingine?

Ni kwanini kilitolewa ikiwa kama hekima za Enoch i.e great grandfather of Noah zilitambuliwa na kutajwa waziwazi na waandishi wa agano jipya mfano Jude?
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kwanza tambua kuwa bibilia ni mkuasanyiko wa vitabu na nyaraka zilizoandikwa kwa wakati tofauti na watu tofaut tofauti,waliokuwa wanakusanya vitbu hivyo walivikataa baadh i ya vitabu kutokana na mkanganyiko wake,na waandishi wake kuwa na utata.mkanganyiko hasa wa habali walizoandika.
 
Kitabu cha enoki kimeondolewa kwa sababu ndani ya Kitabu hicho kimefunua ni jinsi gani watu na viumbe mbalimbali wavyomuasi Bwana Mungu.

Ni dhahiri kuwa Bwana Mungu wa Israeli ni mmoja na hapendi kuona watu (viumbe) wake wakiabudu Mungu mwingine Kama ilivyofunuliwa Katik Kitabu tajwa hapo juu. Coz waabudu shetani wote msingi wao Ni Kitabu hicho

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Gavana said:
You like donkeys , Dude , I know why !!! Because of Ezekiel 23:20


Here are three verses that state the Jews distort the Torah:


Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?​

– 2:75


Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, “We hear and disobey” and “Hear but be not heard” and “Ra’ina,” twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], “We hear and obey” and “Wait for us [to understand],” it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.​

– 4:46


So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.​
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5:13​
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Donkey, Donkey, Donkey.

I Smell pure Donkey in your words.

Those quranic Verses didn't say ANYTHING about Torah corruption. EVEN KIHAMMAD SWORN with TORAH.


Book 38, Number 4434

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.



I got you busted.

Donkey.
 
2013 said:
Donkey, Donkey, Donkey.

I Smell pure Donkey in your words.

Those quranic Verses didn't say ANYTHING about Torah corruption. EVEN KIHAMMAD SWORN with TORAH.


Book 38, Number 4434

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.



I got you busted.

Donkey.
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Uliuliza kitu gani nikakupa jibu gani, .Punguza jaziba soma kwa utulivu kama uko chumbani Kwa Askofu wako labda utafahamu ,Dude
 
2013 said:
Donkey, Donkey, Donkey.

I Smell pure Donkey in your words.

Those quranic Verses didn't say ANYTHING about Torah corruption. EVEN KIHAMMAD SWORN with TORAH.


Book 38, Number 4434

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.



I got you busted.

Donkey.
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Dude ,can you verify the authenticity of your story
 
Gavana said:
Uliuliza kitu gani nikakupa jibu gani, .Punguza jaziba soma kwa utulivu kama uko chumbani Kwa Askofu wako labda utafahamu ,Dude
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No no no. Donkey. There is big difference between Torah corruption and misinterpretation..

The horrible Qur'an blames Jews for taking verses out of context which means misinterpretation. But the Torah is still intact.

And Mohammad sworn with Torah and Yahweh. Not Allah.
How hypocrisy is that?!!.

Donkey.. Donkey.. Donkey...



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2013 said:
No no no. Donkey. There is big difference between Torah corruption and misinterpretation..

The horrible Qur'an blames Jews for taking verses out of context which means misinterpretation. But the Torah is still intact.

And Mohammad sworn with Torah and Yahweh. Not Allah.
How hypocrisy is that?!!.

Donkey.. Donkey.. Donkey...



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Dude, Read as if you are with your bishop ,
Quran 2:75
 
2013 said:
..Put it down loser...
Show us, how Allah is getting confused.

You know nothing about Islam. You only defend the Unknown.
How lunatic you are!?.pure Donkey.

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Dude, you like donkeys , I know, you get that thing of Ezekiel 23:20 .

Can you verify the authenticity of the story you wrote?
 
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