Lost war in Somalia

[Kafrican]

hivi ni kwanini jeshi la tanzania lisiwasaidie hawa wakenya..hawa alshabab watawamaliza...wameshakufa watu almost 500 mpaka sasa.

Umesahahu Jeshi la Kenya ndo lilianza Ku train wanajeshi wapia wa Somalia 2005, alafu Zamu ya pili ikawa ni Uganda, wakatrain wanajeshi 1000 wa Somalia 2010/11, Ikawa imebaki Zamu ya Tz , ilipotangazwa kwamba Tz ITA train wanajeshi wa Somalia, Deputy leader wa Alshabaab akatoa vitisho vikali kwamba Tz isitubutu kujiingiza Kwa mambo ya Somalia kama vile Kenya na Uganda..... Tokea hio siku Serekali ya Tz haijawahi ongelea hayo maneno tena!

 

[Mama Sabrina]

Kwa kweli watoe tu wauane mpaka wakichoka watulie

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[misasa]

hivi ni kwanini jeshi la tanzania lisiwasaidie hawa wakenya..hawa alshabab watawamaliza...wameshakufa watu almost 500 mpaka sasa.

Mmh!! Mziki wa alshaabab sio mchezo mkuu. Tupo salama maana tupo neutral.

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[edwayne]

Al shabab attacked Nairobi every week in the early days of the war.
Now, the attacks have gone down to once every 5 years.
If that's not defeat, I don't know what is.

And I've heard from credible voices that the number of Alshabab who have been killed so far is in the 30,000+ range. KDF and Amisom just don't publicize their figures.

Our objectives in Somalia was a more stable government. That objective is 99% complete.
Somalia cannot forever be the one exporting terrorism.

Once they have a stable administration, the economic benefits of Kenya exporting their products there will kick in.

Umeongea makini sana.. Watanzania sisi hatujuhi nini maana ya influence yani Congo ilitakiwa iwe chini yetu tumezubaa tu

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[Relief Mirzska]

Magaidi walilipua tz na Kenya that year to the US embassies, so the answer is they were after the US, simple tu, sasa ugomvi wa US na Magaidi nyinyi mmeufungia kibwebwe, kazi kwenu, uhondo wa ngoma uingie uicheze, I think now you understand how the sweet the melody is.

Nothing to add! pingli-nywee I hope you have got your answer from the question you asked me. You are losing this war in too many angles bro. If we are being critical though.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Umesahahu Jeshi la Kenya ndo lilianza Ku train wanajeshi wapia wa Somalia 2005, alafu Zamu ya pili ikawa ni Uganda, wakatrain wanajeshi 1000 wa Somalia 2010/11, Ikawa imebaki Zamu ya Tz , ilipotangazwa kwamba Tz ITA train wanajeshi wa Somalia, Deputy leader wa Alshabaab akatoa vitisho vikali kwamba Tz isitubutu kujiingiza Kwa mambo ya Somalia kama vile Kenya na Uganda..... Tokea hio siku Serekali ya Tz haijawahi ongelea hayo maneno tena!

Huo ni uongo wa kawaida unaosemwa na wakenya, kama tuliweza kupeleka majeshi yetu katika nchi zote ambazo zilikua zinaungwa mkono na wazungu, vipi tushindwe hapo?.

Sisi tulikataa kupeleka majeshi kama walivyofanya Uganda, Burundi na Djibouti, badala yake tulisema tutashiriki kuwafunza POLISI wa Somalia.Kama Burundi, Uganda, Djibouti na Ethiopia walipeleka troops lakini wanaishi kwa amani, kwanini tuogope, this is your time to fight, we fought to many wars, give us a break. Sasa ninyi mliopeleka majeshi yenu kichwa kichwa bila kulima madhara yake, what do you get?

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[pingli-nywee]

Nothing to add! pingli-nywee I hope you have got your answer from the question you asked me. You are losing this war in too many angles bro. If we are being critical though.

This is not a coventional war against a conventional army, if it would have been we would have won a long time ago. I think that answer you have referred me too is just hogwash. Terrorism is not something KDF can replicate, KDF can't send its cadre to detonate bombs in market places and places of worship in Kismayoo and kill innocent civilians. Show me a war against terrorists, away from a real battlefield, in the world that has ever been 'won'. I think am being as critical as I can be.

 

[kennedy0000]

That's why Alshabab will never stop attacking Kenya, if this is how many Kenyans reason, stupid.

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They will stop attacking when we crash them. We're 99% done.

 

[kennedy0000]

It's just last November I heard of dozens of killings in Somalia, after getting other of the parliamentary petition, an impeachment motion brought against Somalia president Mohamed Abdullahi Farmaajo by the members of the House.

Yeah this illustrating Somalia is so calm, indeed good job Kinya

You say "it's just last November you heard of dozens of killings."

Just a few years ago, not a single day ended without some kind of explosion in Mogadishu.
Now you are talking of 2 months?
You think this progress has fallen from the sky?

 

[mrangi]

Kwa kweli watoe tu wauane mpaka wakichoka watulie

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Hilo ndy Wazo langu

Ova

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[kennedy0000]

Tell us any terror attack in Nairobi before Kei- Di- EF, went to Somalia.

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I don't keep records. But I remember of kidnappings especially at the coast. Mostly for ransom.
They had exported their piracy to Kenyan borders.

Not to mention their Indian ocean piracy that was affecting shipping to Kenya.

Most importantly, the humanitarian problem. Kenya did not have the resources to continue supporting and accommodating Somali refugees forever.
We had to move in and bring stability.

 

[Relief Mirzska]

Talk about Magufuli now - the tinpot dictator, where you as a TZ citizen cannot express such opinion without your balls getting pressed.

You do not have a single to call my president a dictator.

I do enjoy my time here and I don't wanna end with a ban. Fvck yoh

 

[kennedy0000]

Can u please leave us with our business..... Just keep on solving your problems over there,,, don't you know you had lost your neighbours and friends yesterday??? Deal with that first.... leave Tanzanians alone man

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Lol. You think it's only me or Kenya who knows Magu is a dictator? Many of the news articles are not even from Africa.
Be careful otherwise we might bring you some 'freedom' like we've taken to Somalia. 🙂🙂😀

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

President trump said he is withdrawing from Syria, he will not risk american lives on useless ISIS terrorists anymore. What makes kenya believe they can fight a war that the US has pulled away from? US airstrikes fail to weaken al-Shabaab's grip on Somalia

JPM alisema ukweli..Kuna nchi ambazo zinapenda tu vita za wenyewe kwa wenyewe..Kuingilia ni balaa hafadhali uwe unatumia hio fursa kuwauzia mahindi na vyakula

 

[Jephta2003]

Hakuna vita ngumu kama kupigana na mtu asiyeogopa kufa,vita ya aina hii isikie tu kwa jirani

hivi ni kwanini jeshi la tanzania lisiwasaidie hawa wakenya..hawa alshabab watawamaliza...wameshakufa watu almost 500 mpaka sasa.

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[kennedy0000]

You do not have a single to call my president a dictator.

I do enjoy my time here and I don't wanna end with a ban. Fvck yoh

Hehehe. Tundu Lissu begs to disagree.
Also, tell your dictator to return the 10,000 innocent Kenyan chicken he burnt. And the 1300 cows he stole from Kenya's maasai.

Ako na tabia za kitoto kama Idi Amin.

 

[Black Sniper]

They are a bunch of hypocrites
Ni majizi sana na mabakaji

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[Relief Mirzska]

Stability Measurements: Fewer attacks in Somalia, increased government revenue collection, booming economy, rebuilding infrastructure.. etc.

Our only source of external threat is Somalia. KDF needs to be where the threat is. When your neighbors house is on fire, you go extinguish it, not wait for it to get to your house.

We have many challenges as you have mentioned, and you should also have added national security to those challenges. Just because some Kenyans don't have water doesn't mean we stop securing our country.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Also, we will not stop until Somalia becomes stable and becomes a major trading partner of ours. With the dictator on our south, we need to look for new friends.

Put it this way, KDF need to die where the threat is.

Keep hoping that Somalis can become a major trading partners of yours. It's the day time now and we are all awake. By the way, you have no rights whatsoever to call my president a dictator.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Watu wanajitia hamnazo tu, kwasababu ya chuki. FACT: Alshabaab walikuwa wanafanya mashambulizi, na kuvuruga amani Kenya kabla ya KDF kuingia Somalia. FACT: Muda mfupi baada ya KDF kuingia Somalia walijiunga na waafrika wengine, Ethiopia, Uganda, Burundi chini ya 'command' ya AMISOM ambao wapo Somalia kwa maamuzi ya A.U., sio 'mandate' ya Kenya. FACT: Rais Kibaki na PM Raila(sio rais U.Kenyatta), enzi hizo walipoamua kuingiza KDF Somalia uamuzi wao ulipingwa vikali na US na U.K ila waliendelea na mpango huo bila ya support ya nchi za magharibi.

Unajaribu sana kutetea Uhuru kenyatta ila umesahau kwamba UN walisema FACT: KDF wanaiba makaa ya somalia na kuuza..Ma zazwa hawafahamu nini kiliwapeleka huko na kwa malengo yapi

 

[kennedy0000]

President trump said he is withdrawing from Syria, he will not risk american lives on useless ISIS terrorists anymore. What makes kenya believe they can fight a war that the US has pulled away from? US airstrikes fail to weaken al-Shabaab's grip on Somalia

JPM alisema ukweli..Kuna nchi ambazo zinapenda tu vita za wenyewe kwa wenyewe..Kuingilia ni balaa hafadhali uwe unatumia hio fursa kuwauzia mahindi na vyakula

Once again you expose yourself.
Trump, against the advice of everyone else, said he will pull out once Turkey moved in.

Everyone with an average IQ understands the consequences of pulling out without having another power come in, or leaving a stable government.

And historical examples are all around us. From Libya to Syria and Iraq.
And that's why the US is determined to make a more informed departure from Syria.