Magufuli aufufua mradi utakaoweza kusambaza umeme Afrika Mashariki nzima!

Magufuli aufufua mradi utakaoweza kusambaza umeme Afrika Mashariki nzima!

Mpango wa kununua umeme kutoka Ethiopia umefia wapi? Nchi kwa Mipango hii balaa
 
Dhuks said:
Hehee, mradi wa 2100 wa kufaidi Afrika mashariki yote? Yaoneka hamyafahamu matumizi ya Kenya
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Lol hapo mlipo Uganda wanawauzia umeme kwa wingi tu. Huu mradi wa MW 2100 utaongeza installed generation capacity ya Tanzania by over 100%.
 
Dhuks said:
Hehee, mradi wa 2100 wa kufaidi Afrika mashariki yote? Yaoneka hamyafahamu matumizi ya Kenya
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Sisi matumizi ya Kenya yatatusaidia nini? Mnaacha kupambana na njaa zenu. Mnawaza Tanzania.
 
lancanshire said:
Mpango wa kununua umeme kutoka Ethiopia umefia wapi? Nchi kwa Mipango hii balaa
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Tutaununua tu kwani vipi?
Tanzania ya viwanda na matreni ya umeme inahitaji umeme wa kutosha!
 
lancanshire said:
Sasa kuna haja gani ya kuuza nje wakati ndani hautoshi mpaka tununue.?
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Huenda labda huo wa kununua ni wa bei nafuu zaidi kuliko wa kuzalisha mwenyewe. Kumbuka mradi wa Ethiopia utatoa zaidi ya MW 6000 utakapokamilika.
 
Cicero said:
Huenda labda huo wa kununua ni wa bei nafuu zaidi kuliko wa kuzalisha mwenyewe. Kumbuka mradi wa Ethiopia utatoa zaidi ya MW 6000 utakapokamilika.
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Zitakuwa akili za kijinga sana kuamini umeme utakaonunua kutoka Ethiopia mpaka Tanzania utakuwa wa bei nafuu kuliko umeme unaouzalisha hapa hapa nchini.
 
Africa masharik kote kwann wakati sisi kijijini kwetu umeme bdo hauja fika wala maji watu wanatembea kilometa karibu 7 kutafuta maji. Halafu watu wanataka kupeleka umeme african mashariki wakiti hapa kwake bdo umeme hauja kidhi mahitaji ya wananchi. Cyo pw.
 
Cicero said:
Tutaununua tu kwani vipi?
Tanzania ya viwanda na matreni ya umeme inahitaji umeme wa kutosha!
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Watz jameni, wanahabari wenu jasusi walipotelea wapi, hua hakuna mtu anajisumbua ku chunguza vizuri, wengi wenu hua ni kama mazombie vile, mkiambiwa basi nyote mnafwata tu bila kufikiria...
Perhaps you people don't know how electricity generation works, You cannot build a 2100MW power plant then buy cheaper electricity from somewhere else, infact you cannot build a 2100MW power plant, doubling....no, tripling your generation capacity in one swoop... If you build that dam with 2100MW capacity then you are rendering your Gas useless for power generation for a long time, You will end up not using it for power generation because you wont need it..

Let me give you an example, Kenya generation Capacity is 2,400MW, (if you add the recently completed Turkana wind farm it will be 2,700MW) Kenya's current peek Demand is 1,700MW... For electricity to be cheaper, you have to find a very delicate balance between growth rate of demand and generation capacity, If for e.g Kenya finishes building the coal power plant b4 the demand increases this means that a power plant will be idle, you still have to pay for maintanace of an expensive power plant this would mean the cost of electricity will actually shoot up significantly even though you have more power, It will also mean you cant build any new power plant until your demand gets close to capacity, See you can't build new power plants in anticipation of demand, it has to be supported by current data, Right now Tanzania is comfortable with producing 1,300MW with demand bieng lower than that, adding 2100MW + what you will buy from Ethiopia, I think it was 400MW that will be 2,500MW lets say by 2020 (only 3 years from now) your demand would have increased by an extra 1000MW,(which is almost impossible bcoz its astronomical) you will still have an extra 1,500MW you don't need! Which means your customers will have the burden of paying more for electricity they dont use, not unless you can manage to sell it to someone else, Kenya already produces more than it needs and has plans in place to increase her capacity if needed, Uganda has plans for hydro too, am not sure about Rwanda and burundi by I dont think they use that much power, Maybe down south to Malawi or Mozambique..... Just pray the Africa power pool grid will be working by then so you can be able to sell it to some far off country....
Anyway, back to topic, this would mean you won't need Gas to produces electricity in the immediate and midium-term...You will have to use it for cooking only until such a time demand gets higher than 3,400MW, That's Nigeria current generation capacity, and they have triple the number of industries you have. Why do you think Ethiopia is keen on selling a third of its electricity to east Africa at cheaper rate? Between Kenya,Tz,Ug they are planning to sell about 1,200MW, Remember if you sign a deal to buy that electricity frm Ethiopia, You will still pay for it even if you don't use it! So be carefull, it might be cheaper but it will cost you your own hydro plant that you want to build because you will still have to pay for an idle power plant
 
Lamu Coal Kenya
Status: Started
Capacity: 1077mw

Turkana wind
Status: Complete
Capacity:400mw

Nuclear Pwer
Status: Land Acquisition Completed
Capacity: 4000mw
 
lancanshire said:
Zitakuwa akili za kijinga sana kuamini umeme utakaonunua kutoka Ethiopia mpaka Tanzania utakuwa wa bei nafuu kuliko umeme unaouzalisha hapa hapa nchini.
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Kafrican said:
Watz jameni, wanahabari wenu jasusi walipotelea wapi, hua hakuna mtu anajisumbua ku chunguza vizuri, wengi wenu hua ni kama mazombie vile, mkiambiwa basi nyote mnafwata tu bila kufikiria...
Perhaps you people don't know how electricity generation works, You cannot build a 2100MW power plant then buy cheaper electricity from somewhere else, infact you cannot build a 2100MW power plant, doubling....no, tripling your generation capacity in one swoop... If you build that dam with 2100MW capacity then you are rendering your Gas useless for power generation for a long time, You will end up not using it for power generation because you wont need it..

Let me give you an example, Kenya generation Capacity is 2,400MW, (if you add the recently completed Turkana wind farm it will be 2,700MW) Kenya's current peek Demand is 1,700MW... For electricity to be cheaper, you have to find a very delicate balance between growth rate of demand and generation capacity, If for e.g Kenya finishes building the coal power plant b4 the demand increases this means that a power plant will be idle, you still have to pay for maintanace of an expensive power plant this would mean the cost of electricity will actually shoot up significantly even though you have more power, It will also mean you cant build any new power plant until your demand gets close to capacity, See you can't build new power plants in anticipation of demand, it has to be supported by current data, Right now Tanzania is comfortable with producing 1,300MW with demand bieng lower than that, adding 2100MW + what you will buy from Ethiopia, I think it was 400MW that will be 2,500MW lets say by 2020 (only 3 years from now) your demand would have increased by an extra 1000MW,(which is almost impossible bcoz its astronomical) you will still have an extra 1,500MW you don't need! Which means your customers will have the burden of paying more for electricity they dont use, not unless you can manage to sell it to someone else, Kenya already produces more than it needs and has plans in place to increase her capacity if needed, Uganda has plans for hydro too, am not sure about Rwanda and burundi by I dont think they use that much power, Maybe down south to Malawi or Mozambique..... Just pray the Africa power pool grid will be working by then so you can be able to sell it to some far off country....
Anyway, back to topic, this would mean you won't need Gas to produces electricity in the immediate and midium-term...You will have to use it for cooking only until such a time demand gets higher than 3,400MW, That's Nigeria current generation capacity, and they have triple the number of industries you have. Why do you think Ethiopia is keen on selling a third of its electricity to east Africa at cheaper rate? Between Kenya,Tz,Ug they are planning to sell about 1,200MW, Remember if you sign a deal to buy that electricity frm Ethiopia, You will still pay for it even if you don't use it! So be carefull, it might be cheaper but it will cost you your own hydro plant that you want to build because you will still have to pay for an idle power plant
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Are you saying that a country shouldn't produce more power than it can consume? Because that'll mean "taxpayers paying more for electricity they don't use"?
 
Cicero said:
Are you saying that a country shouldn't produce more power than it can consume? Because that'll mean "taxpayers paying more for electricity they don't use"?
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In a nutshell, Yes that's what am saying.
You can have plans and visions to produce as much power as possible, But in reality, when it comes to implementation, you should construct new plants when you see growth rates reaching that level once you complete the construction, or else you will end up paying for wasted energy.. I.e if lets say growth rate in demand is 11% p.a that means next year you will need lets say 1,400mw, next year after that,1,600mw, then 1,800mw..... That's the year 2020, so right now if you want to build a plant that will take 2years to complete, you will know that you only need a 400MW plant, And that is why in most cases hige power plants are built in phases, where by in the first year of production it will be a small component of the plant working producing 1/4 of the electricity, then next year after that they build the next phase of the plant ......but if demand does not outstrip capacity then they hold off the next phase until such a time there is enough demand projected... That is how Kengen does it, for example you will find there are geothermal wells called Olkaria 1,2,3,4,5 all producing like 450MW but they were built in phases over a long period of time , but with geothermal its difficult to build in phases, not unless you were building a series of small cascading dams instead of one big dam
 
Tanzania haina shida ya umeme ..supply is greater than demand ..mkoa kama kagera unanunua umeme UG cause ya matatizo ya Tanesco ya kushndwa kupeleka power lines mpka hizo sehemu ..cio Tanzania yote iko connceted na national grid ..mfano demand ya mtwra na Lindi ..bila kuweka industries ni less than 18mw ..Mtwara na lindi haziko connected na national grid ..znatumia grid yake yenywe
 
Kafrican said:
In a nutshell, Yes that's what am saying.
You can have plans and visions to produce as much power as possible, But in reality, when it comes to implementation, you should construct new plants when you see growth rates reaching that level once you complete the construction, or else you will end up paying for wasted energy.. I.e if lets say growth rate in demand is 11% p.a that means next year you will need lets say 1,400mw, next year after that,1,600mw, then 1,800mw..... That's the year 2020, so right now if you want to build a plant that will take 2years to complete, you will know that you only need a 400MW plant, And that is why in most cases hige power plants are built in phases, where by in the first year of production it will be a small component of the plant working producing 1/4 of the electricity, then next year after that they build the next phase of the plant ......but if demand does not outstrip capacity then they hold off the next phase until such a time there is enough demand projected... That is how Kengen does it, for example you will find there are geothermal wells called Olkaria 1,2,3,4,5 all producing like 450MW but they were built in phases over a long period of time , but with geothermal its difficult to build in phases, not unless you were building a series of small cascading dams instead of one big dam
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The Stiegler's Gorge HEP will also be built in phases, and i am sure Magufuli is not looking to satisfy just the national demand with all that much power. Kuna SADC, EAC etc........na ndio maana nikasema......em tafuta and go through the EAC Power Master Plan......utaona huu mradi ndio the largest uliotajwa mle. It is a priority project for the entire region na EAC will help to source the requisite funds!
 
lancanshire said:
Zitakuwa akili za kijinga sana kuamini umeme utakaonunua kutoka Ethiopia mpaka Tanzania utakuwa wa bei nafuu kuliko umeme unaouzalisha hapa hapa nchini.
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I am not sure about your assertions. We need a mtaalam atufafanulie. Ila sometimes it is just cheaper to buy than make your own. Ethiopia watakuwa na oversupply kubwa sana wakikamilisha huo mradi wao so methinks watauuza kwa bei che tu.
 
Kafrican said:
Watz jameni, wanahabari wenu jasusi walipotelea wapi, hua hakuna mtu anajisumbua ku chunguza vizuri, wengi wenu hua ni kama mazombie vile, mkiambiwa basi nyote mnafwata tu bila kufikiria...
Perhaps you people don't know how electricity generation works, You cannot build a 2100MW power plant then buy cheaper electricity from somewhere else, infact you cannot build a 2100MW power plant, doubling....no, tripling your generation capacity in one swoop... If you build that dam with 2100MW capacity then you are rendering your Gas useless for power generation for a long time, You will end up not using it for power generation because you wont need it..

Let me give you an example, Kenya generation Capacity is 2,400MW, (if you add the recently completed Turkana wind farm it will be 2,700MW) Kenya's current peek Demand is 1,700MW... For electricity to be cheaper, you have to find a very delicate balance between growth rate of demand and generation capacity, If for e.g Kenya finishes building the coal power plant b4 the demand increases this means that a power plant will be idle, you still have to pay for maintanace of an expensive power plant this would mean the cost of electricity will actually shoot up significantly even though you have more power, It will also mean you cant build any new power plant until your demand gets close to capacity, See you can't build new power plants in anticipation of demand, it has to be supported by current data, Right now Tanzania is comfortable with producing 1,300MW with demand bieng lower than that, adding 2100MW + what you will buy from Ethiopia, I think it was 400MW that will be 2,500MW lets say by 2020 (only 3 years from now) your demand would have increased by an extra 1000MW,(which is almost impossible bcoz its astronomical) you will still have an extra 1,500MW you don't need! Which means your customers will have the burden of paying more for electricity they dont use, not unless you can manage to sell it to someone else, Kenya already produces more than it needs and has plans in place to increase her capacity if needed, Uganda has plans for hydro too, am not sure about Rwanda and burundi by I dont think they use that much power, Maybe down south to Malawi or Mozambique..... Just pray the Africa power pool grid will be working by then so you can be able to sell it to some far off country....
Anyway, back to topic, this would mean you won't need Gas to produces electricity in the immediate and midium-term...You will have to use it for cooking only until such a time demand gets higher than 3,400MW, That's Nigeria current generation capacity, and they have triple the number of industries you have. Why do you think Ethiopia is keen on selling a third of its electricity to east Africa at cheaper rate? Between Kenya,Tz,Ug they are planning to sell about 1,200MW, Remember if you sign a deal to buy that electricity frm Ethiopia, You will still pay for it even if you don't use it! So be carefull, it might be cheaper but it will cost you your own hydro plant that you want to build because you will still have to pay for an idle power plant
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What's the meaning of having a less demand than supply but still facing regular shortages that you can even observe from regular power cuts , is it a work of normal inefficiency of monopolies , climatic changes due to the HEP dependency or anything else ????......
Can you explain more bout this
 
Cicero said:
Rais Dkt. John Pombe Magufuli amewahakikishia wananchi wa mkoa wa pwani kwamba serikali ya awamu ya tano imejipanga kuhakikisha kwamba miradi mikubwa ya maendeleo yenye manufaa kwa mkoa huo na taifa kwa ujumla inatekelezwa kama alivyoahidi.

Mhe. Rais ameitaja miradi hiyo kuwa ni ujenzi wa reli ya kati, ujenzi wa barabara njia sita Dar-Chalinze na ujenzi wa mradi wa umeme katika maporomoko ya mto Rufiji (Stiegler's Gorge) ambao mipango ya ushirikiano katika utekelezaji na Ethiopia imeshaanza.

NOTE: Kwa msiofahamu mradi wa Stiegler's Gorge ni moja ya key priority projects zilizotajwa kwenye East African Power Master Plan. Huu mradi, pamoja na mingine ya kuzalisha umeme kwa kutumia gesi asilia, utaiwezesha Tanzania kuwa power house ya Afrika Mashariki, ukizingatia kwamba grid za umeme za mataifa ya Afrika Mashariki sasa zimeunganishwa tayari.
Mradi utazalisha hadi MW 2100 za umeme, ambazo ni zaidi ya umeme wote unaozalishwa hapa Tanzania kwa sasa.

Viva JPM Viva Tanzania na Viva EAC!
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Utakuwa jambo la heri Tanzania
 
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