ras jeff kapita
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Unapendaga kujifanya mjuaji sana ww kiazi....you are layman...to legal profession tek that to your wallet...stupid
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Duh what na? Eheee mehn!!
This is part of law and you have to jump in and swim
lord atkin
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Bunch of words? Unafikiri legal language ni vocabularies pekee? What about syntax? Semantics? Morphology?. Unaweza ukanipa tofauti ya plain English na legal language kwenye hayo maeneo niliyoyataja?.
Sasa kama mtu hujui hata syntax ya legal language inatakiwa iweje utakuwaje katika position ya kukosoa kwamba ni poor legal English?
Unaweza ukawa unajua lugha lakini lazima ujue unachokosoa hapa siyo plain English unaikosoa legal language ambayo wewe haupo familiar nayo. Makosa yapo kwenye hiyo legal language lakini nimekwambia bado ni legal language ina sifa hizo.
Na hata ukiletewa hapa legal document ukaambiwa uoneshe hizo grammatical errors vitu vingi utavipoint kama ni grammatical errors ambavyo kwenye legal English vipo sawa.
Kiufupi haupo kwenye position ya kuikosoa au kuitoa kasoro legal English kwa sababu huijui, hauna uhalali huo, unakosoa kibubububu kwa kutumia uzoefu wako wa plain English.
Hivi huoni aibu kukosoa kitu ambacho hukijui?
Tell him mehn me am tired of him
I am not sure if you stepped in class to study legal language. You always criticize legal language comparing with your plain language the thing which is quite different. In law we study different language than the one you are conversant.
Nyani Ngabu
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Dude, do you know my educational background or you’re just blabbering?
I used the word ‘grammar’ up there which does encompass those other subsets that you mentioned.
That’s exhibit number one that you are in over your head.
Na ni wapi huko wanakofundisha hiyo so called ‘legal English’ ambayo haifuati kanuni za sarufi sahihi?
Na kama English mbofumbofu isingekuwa tatizo basi hata Jaji Mkuu asingelizungumzia hilo jambo ile majuzi.
Lakini ukweli ni kwamba, mawakili wengi hapa Tanzania lugha ya Kiingereza inawapiga chenga. Wewe mwenyewe inakupiga chenga hadi unaleta kisingizio cha eti ‘legal English’.
Technical language can still be grammatically correct. No exceptions.
Nyani Ngabu
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Bwa ha ha ha!!
What language do you use to study law?
Why then did the Chief Justice lament about the lack of proficiency in English amongst lawyers?
You people are hilariously dumb!!!
Nyani Ngabu
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KB THE DON
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Daaah mwanza hapa hapa jaman ila goma lile Tamu balaa
lord atkin
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Hahaha nadhani hatuelewani, hivi wapi nimesema wanasheria wote wapo vizuri kwenye lugha? Rejea kuanzia kule juu nimeshasema siyo wanasheria tu ni watanzania wote hiyo lugha inatupiga chenga.
Tatizo langu ni viherehere kama nyie ambao hamuijui legal English kuwa wakosoaji wa legal language. Haya leo unasema huoni tofauti kati ya grammar ya legal language na plain language? Una uhakika grammar ya lugha ya kawaida ni sawa na legal English? Halafu unajua maana ya grammar? Wewe umesoma wapi hata hiyo plain English mpaka useme grammar siyo semantics, morphology na syntax?
Boss kama wewe ni English teacher wa hapa JF basi umetuokota aisee? Really?
Grammar? Syntax? Semantics? Morphology? Basi nenda kajifunze na phonology.
Mimi nimemalizana na wewe.
Legal English has traditionally been a special variety of English. Mysterious in form and expression, it is larded with law-Latin and Norman-French, heavily dependent on the past, and unashamedly archaic. Antiquated words flourish words such as herein, therein, whereas, wherefore— words long lost to everyday language. A spurious sense of precision is conjured through liberal use of jargon and stilted formalism: the said, aforesaid, the same, such (used as an adjective). Oddities abound: for example, oath swearers do not believe something, they verily believe it; parties do not wish something, they are desirous of it; the clearest photocopy only purports to be a copy; and so on. All this and much more from a profession which regards itself as learned.
Below is the quoted legal language and please show me if it is following the principle of grammar you are preaching
'[The tenant shall] when where and so often as occasion requires well and sufficiently ... repair renew rebuild uphold support sustain maintain pave purge scour cleanse glaze empty amend and keep the premises and every part thereof... and all floors walls columns roofs canopies lifts and escalators ... shafts stairways fences pavements forecourts drains sewers ducts flues conduits wires cables gutters soil and other pipes tanks cisterns pumps and other water and sanitary apparatus thereon with all needful and necessary amendments whatsoever ...'.
*⚖THE NOBLEST PROFESSION⚖
Only Learned Friends Understand That;
1. Lawyers don't "correct" pleadings; They amend them.
2. Lawyers don't merely "think"(Who cares what you think anyway?); They opine.
3. Lawyers don't "outline" remedies or issues; They adumbrate them.
4. Lawyers don't "suggest" to court; They submit.
5. Lawyers don't "lie"; They misguide the audience😆😆
6. Lawyers don't "support" with evidence; they corroborate it.
7. Lawyers don't "show" in court; They demonstrate.
8. Lawyers don't "say" anything; They aver.
9. Lawyers don't "disagree with a fact"; They contend it.
10. Lawyers don't "finish submitting"; They rest their case.
11. Lawyers don't use the word "understand"; They use "construe".
12. Lawyers don't "agree with other people's opinions" ; They concur with them.
13. Lawyers don't "investigate"; They probe.
14. Lawyers don't "disagree with other people's opinions"; They dissent from them.
15. Lawyers don't "ask for permission"; They seek leave.
16. Lawyers don't "fall sick"; They get indisposed.
17. Lawyers don't "ask court"; They pray.
18. Lawyers don't "bribe judicial officers" HELL NO😆😆 They facilitate them.
19. Lawyers don't ask court to "postpone cases"; They ask it to adjourn them.
20. Lawyers don't "find solutions"; They seek remedies.
21. Lawyers "know" everything; what you think they don't know is "what they have not addressed their minds to".
22. Lawyers don't "go on" ; They proceed.
23. Lawyers don't "refuse"; They object.
24. Lawyers don't "ask court to take a step"; They move it.
25. Lawyers don't "leave an issue"; They abandon it.
26. Lawyers are not "wordy"; They articulate their point.
27. Lawyers don't "find solutions"; They resolve issues.
28. Lawyers call themselves #lawyers among "lay men"(all other professions and non professionals); They call themselves "Learned Friends" when they are addressing themselves.
29. Lawyers don't "disagree" with each other; They just differ.
30. Lawyers don't "seek help" from court; They seek redress.
31. Lawyers don't "speak" in court; They address court.
32. Lawyers don't "agree" to what someone has said; They associate themselves with it.
33. Lawyers don't say something is "irrelevant or useless"; They say it is immaterial.
34. Lawyers don't "arrive" in court; They enter appearance.
35. Lawyers don't "go" to a judge; They appear before him or her.
36. Lawyers don't "die" 😎😎They relocate to God's domicile🤷🏼♂🤷🏼♂
37. Lawyers don't get "late"; They delay.
38. Lawyers don't "disagree" with somebody's opinion; They dissociate themselves from it.
39. Lawyers don't "stand in for" anyone; They hold brief for them.
40. Lawyers don't go for a "short call"; They take a leak😜😜
41. Lawyers don't ask court to "force";They ask it to compel.
42. Lawyers don't say something is "the same"; They say it is parimateria.
43. Lawyers don't say someone is "responsible"; They say he/she is liable.
44. Lawyers don't "explain" what they have said; They substantiate it.
45. Lawyers don't "tell lies"; They amend the facts😂😂
46. Someone told me lawyers don't "fail" pre entry exams; but they are told that they've failed🙈🙈
Only Learned Friends Understand That;
1. Lawyers don't "correct" pleadings; They amend them.
2. Lawyers don't merely "think"(Who cares what you think anyway?); They opine.
3. Lawyers don't "outline" remedies or issues; They adumbrate them.
4. Lawyers don't "suggest" to court; They submit.
5. Lawyers don't "lie"; They misguide the audience😆😆
6. Lawyers don't "support" with evidence; they corroborate it.
7. Lawyers don't "show" in court; They demonstrate.
8. Lawyers don't "say" anything; They aver.
9. Lawyers don't "disagree with a fact"; They contend it.
10. Lawyers don't "finish submitting"; They rest their case.
11. Lawyers don't use the word "understand"; They use "construe".
12. Lawyers don't "agree with other people's opinions" ; They concur with them.
13. Lawyers don't "investigate"; They probe.
14. Lawyers don't "disagree with other people's opinions"; They dissent from them.
15. Lawyers don't "ask for permission"; They seek leave.
16. Lawyers don't "fall sick"; They get indisposed.
17. Lawyers don't "ask court"; They pray.
18. Lawyers don't "bribe judicial officers" HELL NO😆😆 They facilitate them.
19. Lawyers don't ask court to "postpone cases"; They ask it to adjourn them.
20. Lawyers don't "find solutions"; They seek remedies.
21. Lawyers "know" everything; what you think they don't know is "what they have not addressed their minds to".
22. Lawyers don't "go on" ; They proceed.
23. Lawyers don't "refuse"; They object.
24. Lawyers don't "ask court to take a step"; They move it.
25. Lawyers don't "leave an issue"; They abandon it.
26. Lawyers are not "wordy"; They articulate their point.
27. Lawyers don't "find solutions"; They resolve issues.
28. Lawyers call themselves #lawyers among "lay men"(all other professions and non professionals); They call themselves "Learned Friends" when they are addressing themselves.
29. Lawyers don't "disagree" with each other; They just differ.
30. Lawyers don't "seek help" from court; They seek redress.
31. Lawyers don't "speak" in court; They address court.
32. Lawyers don't "agree" to what someone has said; They associate themselves with it.
33. Lawyers don't say something is "irrelevant or useless"; They say it is immaterial.
34. Lawyers don't "arrive" in court; They enter appearance.
35. Lawyers don't "go" to a judge; They appear before him or her.
36. Lawyers don't "die" 😎😎They relocate to God's domicile🤷🏼♂🤷🏼♂
37. Lawyers don't get "late"; They delay.
38. Lawyers don't "disagree" with somebody's opinion; They dissociate themselves from it.
39. Lawyers don't "stand in for" anyone; They hold brief for them.
40. Lawyers don't go for a "short call"; They take a leak😜😜
41. Lawyers don't ask court to "force";They ask it to compel.
42. Lawyers don't say something is "the same"; They say it is parimateria.
43. Lawyers don't say someone is "responsible"; They say he/she is liable.
44. Lawyers don't "explain" what they have said; They substantiate it.
45. Lawyers don't "tell lies"; They amend the facts😂😂
46. Someone told me lawyers don't "fail" pre entry exams; but they are told that they've failed🙈🙈
Lord Diplock MR
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Huyu yupo vyema kwenye kinge cha kutalk talk talk, ukimwambia morphology na syntax unampoteza.
Nyani Ngabu
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Hakika huna uwezo wa kusoma na kuelewa.
Wapi nimesema grammar siyo semantics?
Manake mimi nimesema grammar inajumuisha yote.
Wewe unasema mimi nimesema grammar siyo semantics?
Hebu nipe nukuu ya niliposema hivyo, tafadhali.
Lord Diplock MR
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Ukishatema haya mamisamiati unajiona Fundi mwenyewe
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