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Unajua sina ama una ashumu kuwa sina?.
Nasikia huko roma vatican kuna vitabu ambavyo vimewekwa na ni siri, yani huwezi kuviona mpaka ufikie cheo fulani na ni wachache hata huko ndani ya vatican wana access navyo. Utapewa access lakini kwa masharti kuwa ukiitoa hiyo siri basi wanakuua.
Hivyo vitabu vyao vilivyofichwa vingine vimemtaja Muhammad kwa jina kabisa kuwa ndiye Mtume atakyekuja baada ya Nabii Issa.
Ngoja nikutumie link ya Padri wa karne ya 14 huko roma namna alivyojua kuhusu hivyo vitabu vilivyofichwa na akamwambia mwanafunzi wake kwa siri kuwa Muhammad ni Mtume wa kweli na kwamba Injili yao imebadilishwa, Alimsihi sana huyo mwanafunzi wake asimtaje kwani watamuua. wakati anayafahamu hayo alikuwa ni mzee sanaa zaidi ya miaka 90.
Huyo mwanafunzi wake aliondoka hapo vatican akahamia Tunisia ambapo alisilimu.
hii ni story ya huyo Padri wa nimeshindwa kupata link ya hapa JF ila ngoja niitume humu kama ilivyo huwenda ikawasaidia kuwapa upeo zaidi.
Unaweza pia kwenye google Mwenyewe na kisha uliza Priest wa 14 century aliyesilimu. Anaitwa Anselm Tormeeda,
Hivyo vitabu vyao vilivyofichwa vingine vimemtaja Muhammad kwa jina kabisa kuwa ndiye Mtume atakyekuja baada ya Nabii Issa.
Ngoja nikutumie link ya Padri wa karne ya 14 huko roma namna alivyojua kuhusu hivyo vitabu vilivyofichwa na akamwambia mwanafunzi wake kwa siri kuwa Muhammad ni Mtume wa kweli na kwamba Injili yao imebadilishwa, Alimsihi sana huyo mwanafunzi wake asimtaje kwani watamuua. wakati anayafahamu hayo alikuwa ni mzee sanaa zaidi ya miaka 90.
Huyo mwanafunzi wake aliondoka hapo vatican akahamia Tunisia ambapo alisilimu.
hii ni story ya huyo Padri wa nimeshindwa kupata link ya hapa JF ila ngoja niitume humu kama ilivyo huwenda ikawasaidia kuwapa upeo zaidi.
Unaweza pia kwenye google Mwenyewe na kisha uliza Priest wa 14 century aliyesilimu. Anaitwa Anselm Tormeeda,
MSOME HUYU PADRI WA 14 CENTURY ALIYEKUJA KUSILIMU, KUNA VITABU VIMEFICHWA HUKO ROMA AMBAVYO HAMUWEZI KUPEWA NA NI SIRI KUBWA
Anselm Turmeda was an ordained Franciscan priest who was born in 1355 in the Spanish island of Majorca. He was very well educated. In addition to the normal primary education of grammar, logic, and rhetoric, he mastered the Bible in Latin and Greek. He later attended the University of Lerida in the Spanish kingdom of Aragorn where he continued with higher studies of arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. After completing his education, he pursued further studies in theology at the University of Paris and Bologna. At the University of Bologna, he made a startling discovery while speaking to an elder priest named Nicolao Martello. That discovery shook him to his core. He describes the incident in his own words:
Let it be known to you all, May Allah bless you, that my origin is from the city of Majorca -May Allah return it to Islam- which is a great city on the sea, between two mountains and divided by a small valley. It is a commercial city, with two wonderful harbours. Big merchant ships come and anchor in the harbour with different goods. The city is on the Island which has the same name – Majorca, and most of its land is populated with fig and olive trees.
My father was one of the respected men in the city. I was his only son. When I was six, he sent me to a priest who taught me to read the Gospel. I memorised more than half of it in a period of two years. Then I began to learn the language of the Gospel and logic, which I finished in six years.
After that, I left Majorca and travelled to the city of Larda, in the region of Castellion , which was the center of learning for Christians, in that region. A thousand to a thousand and a half Christian students gathered there. All were under the administration of the priest who taught them. I studied physical sciences and astronomy for six years. Then I studied the Gospel and its language for another four years.
After that, I left for Bologna in the region of Anbardia. Bologna is a large city, it being the center of learning for all the people of that region. Every year, more than two thousand students gather together from different places. They cover themselves with rough cloth which they call “The Hue of God”. All of them, whether the son of a ruler, or the son of a workman, wear this wrap, in order to make the students distinct from others. Only the priest who teaches them controls and directs them.
I lived in the church with an aged priest. He was greatly respected by the people because of his knowledge, religiousness and asceticism, which distinguished him from the other Christian priests. Questions and requests for advice came to him from everywhere, from Kings and Rulers, along with presents and gifts. They hoped that he would accept their presents and grant them his blessings.
This priest taught me the principles of Christianity and its rulings. I became very close to him by serving and assisting him with his duties until I became one of his most trusted assistants, so that he trusted me with the keys of his domicile in the church and of his food and drink stores. He kept for himself only the key of a small room where he used to sleep. I think, and Allah knows best, that he kept his treasure chest in there.
I was a student and servant for a period of ten years. Then he fell ill and failed to attend the meetings of his fellow priests. During his absence the priests discussed some religious matters, till they came to what was said by The Almighty Allah through His Prophet Jesus in the Gospel:
“After him will come a Prophet called Paraclete”
They argued a great deal about this Prophet and as to who he was among the prophets. Everyone gave his opinion according to his knowledge and understanding; and they ended without achieving any benefit in that issue.
I went to my priest, and as usual he asked about what was discussed in the meeting that day. I mentioned to him the different opinions of the priests about the name Paraclete, and how they finished the meeting without clarifying its meaning.
He asked me: “What was your answer?” I gave him my opinion, which was taken from my interpretation of a well-known exegesis. He said that I was nearly correct like some priests, and the other priests were wrong. “But the truth is different from all of that. This is because the interpretation of that noble name is known only to a small number of well versed scholars. And we possess only a little knowledge.”
I fell down and kissed his feet, saying: “Sir, you know that I travelled and came to you from a distant country, I have served you now for more than ten years; and have attained knowledge beyond estimation, so please favour me and tell me the truth about this name.”
The priest then wept and said: “My Son, By God, you are very much dear to me for serving me and devoting yourself to my care. Know the truth about this name, and there is a great benefit, but there is also a great danger. And I fear that when you know this truth, and the Christians discover that, you will be killed immediately.”
I said: “By God, By the Gospel and He who was sent with it, I shall never speak any word about what you will tell me, I shall keep it as a secret in my heart.”
He said: “My son, when you came here from your country, I asked you if is it near to the Muslims. And whether they made raids against you, or you made raids against them. This was to test your hatred for Islam. Know, my son, that Paraclete is the name of their Prophet, Muhammad to whom was revealed the fourth book as mentioned by Daniel. His way is the clear way which is mentioned in the Gospel.” I said: “Then sir, what do you say about the religion of these Christians?” He said: “My son, if these Christians remained on the original religion of Jesus, then they would have been on God’s true religion; because the religion of Jesus and all the other prophets is the true religion of God. But they changed it and became unbelievers.”
I asked him: “Then, sir, what is the salvation from this?” He said: “Oh my son, embracing Islam.”
I asked him: “Will the one who embraces Islam be saved?”
He answered: “Yes, in this world and the Hereafter.” I said: “The prudent chooses for himself; if you know, sir, the merit of Islam, then what keeps you from it?”
He answered: “My son, The Almighty Allah did not expose me to the truth of Islam and the prophet of Islam until after I have become old and my body weakened. Yes, there is no excuse for us in this, on the contrary, the proof of Allah has been established against us. If God had guided me to this when I was your age I would have left everything and adopted the religion of truth. Love of this world is the essence of every sin, and look how I am esteemed, glorified, and honoured by the Christians, and how I am living in affluence and comfort! In my case, if I show a slight inclination towards Islam they would kill me immediately. Suppose that I was saved from them and succeeded in escaping to the Muslims they would say, do not count your Islam as a favour upon us, rather you have benefited yourself only by entering the religion of truth, the religion that will save you from the punishment of Allah! So I would live among them as a poor old man of more than ninety years, without knowing their language, and they would not know my real status and I would die among them starving. I am, and all praise is due to Allah on the religion of Christ and on that which he came with, and Allah knows that from me.”
So I asked him: “Do you advise me to go to the country of the Muslims and adopt their religion?” He said to me: “If you are wise and hope to save yourself, then race to that which will achieve this life and the hereafter. But my son, none is present with us concerning this matter, it is between you and me only. Exert yourself and keep it a secret. If it is disclosed and the people know about it they will kill you immediately. I will be of no benefit to you against them. Neither will it be of any use to you if you tell them what you heard from me concerning Islam, or that I encouraged you to be a Muslim, for I shall deny it. They will trust my testimony against you but will not trust yours against me. So, do not tell a word, whatever happens.” I promised him not to do so. He was satisfied and content with my promise.
I began to prepare for my journey and bid him farewell. He prayed for me and gave me fifty golden dinars. Then I took a ship to my city Majorca where I stayed with my parents for six months. Then I traveled to Sicily and remained there five months, waiting for a ship bound for the land of the Muslims.
Finally a ship arrived bound for Tunis. We departed before sunset and reached the port of Tunis at noon on the second day. When I got off the ship, Christian scholars who heard of my arrival came to greet me and welcome me to their dwelling place. Some local merchants also offered their hospitality to me and I stayed with them for four months in ease and comfort.
After that I asked them if there was in the Sultan’s Palace a translator. The Sultan in those days was Abu Al-Abbas Ahmad. They said there was a virtuous man, the Sultan’s Physician, who was one of his closest advisors. His name was Yusuf Al-Tabeeb. I was greatly pleased to hear this, and asked where he lived. They took me there and I met him separately. I told him about my story and the reason of my coming there; which was to embrace Islam. He was immensely pleased because this matter would be completed by his help. We rode to the Sultan’s Palace. He met the Sultan and told him about my story and asked his permission for me to meet him. The Sultan accepted, and I presented myself before him.
The first question the Sultan asked was about my age. I told him that I was thirty-five years old. He then asked about my learning and the sciences which I had studied. After I told him he said, “Your arrival is the arrival of goodness. Be a Muslim with Allah’s blessings.” I then said to the doctor, “Tell the honorable Sultan that it always happens that when anyone changes his religion his people defame him and speak evil of him. So, I wish if he kindly sends to bring the Christian priests and merchants of this city to ask them about me and hear what they have to say. Then by Allah’s will, I shall accept Islam.”
He said to me through the translator, “You have asked what Abdullah Bin Salaam asked from the Prophet when he (Abdullah) came to announce his Islam . He then sent for the priests and some Christian merchants and let me sit in an adjoining room unseen by them. When they came he asked them, “What do you say about this new priest who just arrived by ship?”
They said: “He is a great scholar in our religion. Our bishops say he is the most learned and no one is superior to him in our religious knowledge.” After hearing what the Christian said, the Sultan sent for me, and presented myself before them. I declared the two testimonies, that there is no one worthy of Worship except Allah, and that Muhammad is His Messenger, and when the Christians heard this they crossed themselves and said: “Nothing incited him to do that except his desire to marry, as priests in our religion can not marry”. Then they left him in distress and grief. The Sultan appointed for me a quarter of a dinar everyday from the treasury and let me marry the daughter of Al-Hajj Muhammad Al-Saffar.
When I decided to consummate the marriage, he gave me a hundred golden dinars and an excellent suit of clothes. I then consummated the marriage and Allah blessed me with a child to whom I gave the name Muhammad as a blessing from the name of our Prophet.
Anselm Turmeda took the name Abdullah al-Tarjuman and served as a vizier in Tunis. He passed away in 1453, having drawn on his deep knowledge of the Bible to write a book titled “Tuhfat al-Arib fi al-Radd ‘ala ahl al-Salib” meaning “The Gift to the Intelligent for Refuting the Arguments of the Christians”. The book remains in print to this day.
Anselm Turmeda was an ordained Franciscan priest who was born in 1355 in the Spanish island of Majorca. He was very well educated. In addition to the normal primary education of grammar, logic, and rhetoric, he mastered the Bible in Latin and Greek. He later attended the University of Lerida in the Spanish kingdom of Aragorn where he continued with higher studies of arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. After completing his education, he pursued further studies in theology at the University of Paris and Bologna. At the University of Bologna, he made a startling discovery while speaking to an elder priest named Nicolao Martello. That discovery shook him to his core. He describes the incident in his own words:
Let it be known to you all, May Allah bless you, that my origin is from the city of Majorca -May Allah return it to Islam- which is a great city on the sea, between two mountains and divided by a small valley. It is a commercial city, with two wonderful harbours. Big merchant ships come and anchor in the harbour with different goods. The city is on the Island which has the same name – Majorca, and most of its land is populated with fig and olive trees.
My father was one of the respected men in the city. I was his only son. When I was six, he sent me to a priest who taught me to read the Gospel. I memorised more than half of it in a period of two years. Then I began to learn the language of the Gospel and logic, which I finished in six years.
After that, I left Majorca and travelled to the city of Larda, in the region of Castellion , which was the center of learning for Christians, in that region. A thousand to a thousand and a half Christian students gathered there. All were under the administration of the priest who taught them. I studied physical sciences and astronomy for six years. Then I studied the Gospel and its language for another four years.
After that, I left for Bologna in the region of Anbardia. Bologna is a large city, it being the center of learning for all the people of that region. Every year, more than two thousand students gather together from different places. They cover themselves with rough cloth which they call “The Hue of God”. All of them, whether the son of a ruler, or the son of a workman, wear this wrap, in order to make the students distinct from others. Only the priest who teaches them controls and directs them.
I lived in the church with an aged priest. He was greatly respected by the people because of his knowledge, religiousness and asceticism, which distinguished him from the other Christian priests. Questions and requests for advice came to him from everywhere, from Kings and Rulers, along with presents and gifts. They hoped that he would accept their presents and grant them his blessings.
This priest taught me the principles of Christianity and its rulings. I became very close to him by serving and assisting him with his duties until I became one of his most trusted assistants, so that he trusted me with the keys of his domicile in the church and of his food and drink stores. He kept for himself only the key of a small room where he used to sleep. I think, and Allah knows best, that he kept his treasure chest in there.
I was a student and servant for a period of ten years. Then he fell ill and failed to attend the meetings of his fellow priests. During his absence the priests discussed some religious matters, till they came to what was said by The Almighty Allah through His Prophet Jesus in the Gospel:
“After him will come a Prophet called Paraclete”
They argued a great deal about this Prophet and as to who he was among the prophets. Everyone gave his opinion according to his knowledge and understanding; and they ended without achieving any benefit in that issue.
I went to my priest, and as usual he asked about what was discussed in the meeting that day. I mentioned to him the different opinions of the priests about the name Paraclete, and how they finished the meeting without clarifying its meaning.
He asked me: “What was your answer?” I gave him my opinion, which was taken from my interpretation of a well-known exegesis. He said that I was nearly correct like some priests, and the other priests were wrong. “But the truth is different from all of that. This is because the interpretation of that noble name is known only to a small number of well versed scholars. And we possess only a little knowledge.”
I fell down and kissed his feet, saying: “Sir, you know that I travelled and came to you from a distant country, I have served you now for more than ten years; and have attained knowledge beyond estimation, so please favour me and tell me the truth about this name.”
The priest then wept and said: “My Son, By God, you are very much dear to me for serving me and devoting yourself to my care. Know the truth about this name, and there is a great benefit, but there is also a great danger. And I fear that when you know this truth, and the Christians discover that, you will be killed immediately.”
I said: “By God, By the Gospel and He who was sent with it, I shall never speak any word about what you will tell me, I shall keep it as a secret in my heart.”
He said: “My son, when you came here from your country, I asked you if is it near to the Muslims. And whether they made raids against you, or you made raids against them. This was to test your hatred for Islam. Know, my son, that Paraclete is the name of their Prophet, Muhammad to whom was revealed the fourth book as mentioned by Daniel. His way is the clear way which is mentioned in the Gospel.” I said: “Then sir, what do you say about the religion of these Christians?” He said: “My son, if these Christians remained on the original religion of Jesus, then they would have been on God’s true religion; because the religion of Jesus and all the other prophets is the true religion of God. But they changed it and became unbelievers.”
I asked him: “Then, sir, what is the salvation from this?” He said: “Oh my son, embracing Islam.”
I asked him: “Will the one who embraces Islam be saved?”
He answered: “Yes, in this world and the Hereafter.” I said: “The prudent chooses for himself; if you know, sir, the merit of Islam, then what keeps you from it?”
He answered: “My son, The Almighty Allah did not expose me to the truth of Islam and the prophet of Islam until after I have become old and my body weakened. Yes, there is no excuse for us in this, on the contrary, the proof of Allah has been established against us. If God had guided me to this when I was your age I would have left everything and adopted the religion of truth. Love of this world is the essence of every sin, and look how I am esteemed, glorified, and honoured by the Christians, and how I am living in affluence and comfort! In my case, if I show a slight inclination towards Islam they would kill me immediately. Suppose that I was saved from them and succeeded in escaping to the Muslims they would say, do not count your Islam as a favour upon us, rather you have benefited yourself only by entering the religion of truth, the religion that will save you from the punishment of Allah! So I would live among them as a poor old man of more than ninety years, without knowing their language, and they would not know my real status and I would die among them starving. I am, and all praise is due to Allah on the religion of Christ and on that which he came with, and Allah knows that from me.”
So I asked him: “Do you advise me to go to the country of the Muslims and adopt their religion?” He said to me: “If you are wise and hope to save yourself, then race to that which will achieve this life and the hereafter. But my son, none is present with us concerning this matter, it is between you and me only. Exert yourself and keep it a secret. If it is disclosed and the people know about it they will kill you immediately. I will be of no benefit to you against them. Neither will it be of any use to you if you tell them what you heard from me concerning Islam, or that I encouraged you to be a Muslim, for I shall deny it. They will trust my testimony against you but will not trust yours against me. So, do not tell a word, whatever happens.” I promised him not to do so. He was satisfied and content with my promise.
I began to prepare for my journey and bid him farewell. He prayed for me and gave me fifty golden dinars. Then I took a ship to my city Majorca where I stayed with my parents for six months. Then I traveled to Sicily and remained there five months, waiting for a ship bound for the land of the Muslims.
Finally a ship arrived bound for Tunis. We departed before sunset and reached the port of Tunis at noon on the second day. When I got off the ship, Christian scholars who heard of my arrival came to greet me and welcome me to their dwelling place. Some local merchants also offered their hospitality to me and I stayed with them for four months in ease and comfort.
After that I asked them if there was in the Sultan’s Palace a translator. The Sultan in those days was Abu Al-Abbas Ahmad. They said there was a virtuous man, the Sultan’s Physician, who was one of his closest advisors. His name was Yusuf Al-Tabeeb. I was greatly pleased to hear this, and asked where he lived. They took me there and I met him separately. I told him about my story and the reason of my coming there; which was to embrace Islam. He was immensely pleased because this matter would be completed by his help. We rode to the Sultan’s Palace. He met the Sultan and told him about my story and asked his permission for me to meet him. The Sultan accepted, and I presented myself before him.
The first question the Sultan asked was about my age. I told him that I was thirty-five years old. He then asked about my learning and the sciences which I had studied. After I told him he said, “Your arrival is the arrival of goodness. Be a Muslim with Allah’s blessings.” I then said to the doctor, “Tell the honorable Sultan that it always happens that when anyone changes his religion his people defame him and speak evil of him. So, I wish if he kindly sends to bring the Christian priests and merchants of this city to ask them about me and hear what they have to say. Then by Allah’s will, I shall accept Islam.”
He said to me through the translator, “You have asked what Abdullah Bin Salaam asked from the Prophet when he (Abdullah) came to announce his Islam . He then sent for the priests and some Christian merchants and let me sit in an adjoining room unseen by them. When they came he asked them, “What do you say about this new priest who just arrived by ship?”
They said: “He is a great scholar in our religion. Our bishops say he is the most learned and no one is superior to him in our religious knowledge.” After hearing what the Christian said, the Sultan sent for me, and presented myself before them. I declared the two testimonies, that there is no one worthy of Worship except Allah, and that Muhammad is His Messenger, and when the Christians heard this they crossed themselves and said: “Nothing incited him to do that except his desire to marry, as priests in our religion can not marry”. Then they left him in distress and grief. The Sultan appointed for me a quarter of a dinar everyday from the treasury and let me marry the daughter of Al-Hajj Muhammad Al-Saffar.
When I decided to consummate the marriage, he gave me a hundred golden dinars and an excellent suit of clothes. I then consummated the marriage and Allah blessed me with a child to whom I gave the name Muhammad as a blessing from the name of our Prophet.
Anselm Turmeda took the name Abdullah al-Tarjuman and served as a vizier in Tunis. He passed away in 1453, having drawn on his deep knowledge of the Bible to write a book titled “Tuhfat al-Arib fi al-Radd ‘ala ahl al-Salib” meaning “The Gift to the Intelligent for Refuting the Arguments of the Christians”. The book remains in print to this day.
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ikiwa ni whatever, kwaninisasa usilizike na maelezo yangu,ama hiyo whatever inavipengele?.
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Hoja ni torati ama hoja ni padri aliyeslimu?.
unajua moja ya watu wa kwanza kusema Muhammad ni mtume mmoja wao ni Padre?.
Padre ambaye hakuweza toka nje ya ukatolik na vitabu anavyodai vilivyofichwa utamuaminije kuwa anasema kweli?.
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Tafuta 👉Hebrew bible, ila uwe unajua kiebrania japo haina agano jipya
Ila ndugu zangu wakristo nyinyi kwa ubishi mmeshindikana. Yani hata kama kitu kiko straight mtapinga tu.
Mimi nimejaribu kumwambia kuwa hivo vitabu anavyotafuta kamwe hawezi kuvipata, hata hao Mapadre wachache wanaojua ukweli wakionyesha dalili ya kuukubali uislamu tu wnauliwa immediately. Kwa kifupi Injili ya kweli inasema Yesu ni Mtume na sio mwana wa Mungu, na pia inasema Muhammad ni Mtume atakayekuja baada ya Yesu, sasa unatarajia vitabu hivyo wataviweka hadharani kweli? hata mapadre hawa wa kibongo hawajui ukweli huu unafichwa sababu ukijulikana Ukristo utakuwa matatani.. ni wachache tu ndio wanajua huko vatican
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Hicho cha zamani hakijaongeloea stori ya nuhu na mvua ya siku 40 ? Nuhu aliwapa taarifa watu kuwa mvua itanyesha sasa huku Afrika mashariki sijui nani alifikishs taarifa! Stori nyingine eti sisi watu weusi tulitokana na laana ya kumcheka nuhu tukabaditika race yetu. Cha ajabu sisi weusi wenye tuna tofauti nyingi sana, mfano muhindi mweusi, aboriginal, mbantu, mmasai nk.
Unagundua uongo upo peupe ila kuna watu wanauamini mpaka leo.
Unagundua uongo upo peupe ila kuna watu wanauamini mpaka leo.
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Yoda, sasa si uwaombe hao wanaodai kuwa vimechakachuliwa watoe nakala original?
Biblia inasema, "Mjinga huamini kila neno" Mithali 14:15
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Biblia inasema, "Mjinga huamini kila neno" Mithali 14:15
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Hiyo injili inayosema Yesu si mwana wa Mungu ndiyo mleta Mada anaitaka sio maneno yako tu.
unasema "vitabu anavyovitaka hawezi vipata" wewe ulivionea wapi hata ukajua kuwa havisemi yesu si mwana wa Mungu?.
Manabii wote waseme Yesu ni mwana wa Mungu/Mungu anamwana alafu Muhammad aseme Mungu hana mwana na unataka tumuamini?.