Prof. Joseph Mbele atoa andiko kupinga kauli ya Dr. Mwakyembe

[Victoire]

I smell inferiority complex

If admitting the truth is inferiority complex,then let it be.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kiranga,

That’s a very rosy picture that you’ve painted there.

But then what happened?

 

[GODZILLA]

Ujinga mtupu!

 

[Victoire]

Kiranga,
My point lies on; If Africans were great why did they lost their sovereignties to the European powers? As for me,being great means you can be able to conserve your way of life rather than adopting to others way of life.
African "Great" leaders signed treaties with the Europens imperialist,we all know those treaties mean't that Africans had signed away their Soveireignties.
Yes we resisted,we fought fiercely and bravely to retain our land but we lost the battle because we were not great.
If some one is great ,it means he can not surrender to others instead they will surrender to him.
Mimi ninasema Make Africa great na siyo make Africa great again.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Yaani kama tungekuwa great hakuna nation angeweza kutucolonize.We were never great let us admit ili tujue tufanye nini ili tuwe great.

Nakubaliana nawe.

We were never great.

Great societies don’t capitulate the way we [Africans] did.

Here we are using our conqueror’s language.

We have pretty much shunned ‘our’ total ways of life in favor of our conqueror’s.

Nowadays kids are being given Anglo-Saxon names. And I’m talking about full names here. Not just first names.

How can a Makonde be called Maxwell Isaac?

How can a Pare be called Elizabeth Michael?

Have you ever met an Italian called Bujaga Izengo Kadago?

I don’t buy the Afrocentric propaganda that we were great. We never were!

 

[Victoire]

Nyani Ngabu,
You nailed it,kudos.

 

[Kiranga]

Sijiskii amani kukuunga mkono, ila naona kama una make sense.

Kuna hotuba moja Nyerere alikuwa White House ya Kennedy.

Alisema kwamba anafurahi sana kuwa Marekani, kila akifikiria Marekani anakumbuka jinsi alivyokuwa anaenda Umoja wa Mataifa kutaka uhuru wa Tanganyika. Marekani ni n hi ya kwanza kukataa ukoloninwa Waingereza na kujichukulia uhuru ijutawale yenyewe.

Kwa hivyo, kuna wengine watapinga kwamba Marekani ni nchi ya wakoloni.

Watasema, Marekani ilianzishwa ili kupinga ukoloni.

Msikilize Nyerere anafagikia Wamarekani hapa.

Kabla rafiki yake Kennedy hajauawa.

 

[Makande 26]

Africa ilikua kubwa zingatia utajiri wa technologia ya misri na Nubia then angalia matajiri kama Mansa Musa
We were great comeoooon

Huyo Prof nilipoona kavaa kofia imeandikwa "Make Africa great again"Nimekata tamaa hata kusoma bandiko lake. Ingawa hata mimi nampinga Mwakyembe.
Can he tell us when Africa was great?Bora hata angesema make Africa great.

 

[Makande 26]

Even roman empire was great once up on
Its matter of time it was just our time to be defeated and we lost our greatness which were are still struggling to restore

My point lies on; If Africans were great why did they lost their sovereignties to the European powers? As for me,being great means you can be able to conserve your way of life rather than adopting to others way of life.
African "Great" leaders signed treaties with the Europens imperialist,we all know those treaties mean't that Africans had signed away their Soveireignties.
Yes we resisted,we fought fiercely and bravely to retain our land but we lost the battle because we were not great.
If some one is great ,it means he can not surrender to others instead they will surrender to him.
Mimi ninasema Make Africa great na siyo make Africa great again.

 

[Victoire]

Even roman empire was great once up on
Its matter of time it was just our time to be defeated and we lost our greatness which were are still struggling to restore

Will you go back kuvaa mavazi ya magomba ya mimea,unprocessed ngozi ? Mtarudi kuishi kwenye nyumba ya nyasi ? Mtabomoa reli iliyojengwa na Europen great power (Germany)

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Will you go back kuvaa mavazi ya magomba ya mimea,unprocessed ngozi ? Mtarudi kuishi kwenye nyumba ya nyasi ? Mtabomoa reli iliyojengwa na Europen great power (Germany)

Waache na kutumia Kiingereza.

 

[Victoire]

Waache na kutumia Kiingereza.

Kabisa yaani.

 

[Kiranga]

That’s a very rosy picture that you’ve painted there.

But then what happened?

Juxtapositioning of the overly friendly, religious and largely emotionally innocent African, who had little appetite for conquest and exploration, with the more warlike and greedy foreigners who were out to exploit.

In an ironic twist, the so called savage was actually culurally more respectful of others -he did not invade their lands, impose his religion on them, enslave them, colonize them, neo-colonize them etc- . The supposedly civilized foreigners were focused on not being sentimental, but materialistic. Their truth was not respecting harmony, but wealth.

The history if the conquest and partitionnof Africa, India, Australia, the Americas etc shows a savage people imposing their religion and way if kife on indigenous peoples all over the world.

Going full circke to temhe questionnof "Make Africa Great Again", I admit it has a "monkey see, monkey do" ring to it, as a bite of Trumos propaganda, which is a bite out of Jim Crow America, so the Professor is upholding white nationalists based slogan, while being an African who is advocating for African greatness, from America. That alone is interesting and convoluted. I cannot wholly support that confused mess.

But, my sole contribution was to debunk the notion that Africa cannot be great again, because, when was Africa great to begin with?

History books by John Reader, Martin Meredith, Basil Davidson, Cheik Anta Diop, just to name a few of my favorite authors on the subject will beg to differ.

 

[Kiranga]

My point lies on; If Africans were great why did they lost their sovereignties to the European powers? As for me,being great means you can be able to conserve your way of life rather than adopting to others way of life.
African "Great" leaders signed treaties with the Europens imperialist,we all know those treaties mean't that Africans had signed away their Soveireignties.
Yes we resisted,we fought fiercely and bravely to retain our land but we lost the battle because we were not great.
If some one is great ,it means he can not surrender to others instead they will surrender to him.
Mimi ninasema Make Africa great na siyo make Africa great again.

Africans, essentially, until contact with foreigners,prioritized harmony over domination.

Peace over war.

The familiarity of home, over the explorationnof unknown lands.

Life over death.

Cintentment over greed.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

The problem is, that model is geared towards stability, nit growth.

The foreign invaders were the exact opposite of that.

Their midel is nit geared tiwards stability, it is geared tiwards growth.

That is why they are where they are. We are struggling to catch up with them in a world they have created, because, this is fundamentally, not a world that we desired. It is a wirld that was imposed upon us by circumstances of history.

So, do nit fault an African for lack of economic development. That hasn't been our priority.

Fault an African for kack of humanity.

That has always been our priority.

 

[Komeo Lachuma]

Acha ujinga. The strong ones cannot be colonized. Wote waliokuwa colonized its because they were weak.

You are not colonised because you are weak, ask China.

Also it was more of a trickery and lies than invasion.

 

[Kiranga]

Nakubaliana nawe.

We were never great.

Great societies don’t capitulate the way we [Africans] did.

Here we are using our conqueror’s language.

We have pretty much shunned ‘our’ total ways of life in favor of our conqueror’s.

Nowadays kids are being given Anglo-Saxon names. And I’m talking about full names here. Not just first names.

How can a Makonde be called Maxwell Isaac?

How can a Pare be called Elizabeth Michael?

Have you ever met an Italian called Bujaga Izengo Kadago?

I don’t buy the Afrocentric propaganda that we were great. We never were!

Mtu ambaye anataka kucheza soka, ukimshinda katika tennis, halafu ukamcheka kwamba hajawahi kuwa mwanamichezo mzuri, unamuonea.

Yeye ni mwanamichezo mzuri katika mchezo wa soka.

Wewe unampima uanamichezo kwa kigezo cha tennis.

Waafrika hatukuwahi kuwa na mshawasha wa kutaka maendeleo ya kiuchumi.

Mshawasha wetu kwa miaka mingi sana umekuwa wa kutaka kuwa na mahusiano mazuri na wenzetu, kufanya subsistence farming, ufugaji wa kiushkaji, kumsifu chifu, siku zinaendelea.

Ndoyo maana mpaka leo rais anavunja katiba keft, right and center. Wananchi wanamshangilia. Wengi sana.

Ni utamaduni wetu huo, mkubwa hakosei.

Hata akikosea, usiseme kakosea, sema "washauri wake wamemshauri vibaya".

Ukisema kakosea, utaharibu "social harmony".

Hatukutaka mali sana, kwa sababu bara letu limejaa mali ni kitu tunachukulia for granted, hatuna haja yakulimbikiza mali. Utalimbikiza nyama iwe yako mwenyewe kwanza utaitynza wapi? Halafu wenzako wana njaa, utajisikiaje kuwa na nyama kibao wakati wenzako wana njaa?

Waziri Mkuu wa Uingereza Winstin Churchill alisema kwamba watu wa Uganda walikuwa hawana pressure na maisha, kwa sababu nchi yai mazao yanazaa mwaka mzima (hakuna winter) kuna misitu, mashamba na matunda mengi, maji kika mahali kuanzia mito mpaka ziwa, hawana tabu. Hawana pressure ya kulimbukiza mali, kwa sababu walijua wakikosa sana watachuma maembe watakula, maisha poa tu. Hawahitaji stock market.

Wageni wamekuja na model moya, weka nyama kwenye friji, kila mtu atajiju.

Sasa sie ambao hatuna utamaduni wa umimi, tukishindwa kujilimbikizia mali na kuendelea kiymuchumi, tunashindea mchezo ambao sio wetu.

Tumekua tunacheza soka.

Leo unatupima uanamichezo wetu kwa mechi ya tennis?

Ndiyo maana hata keo haya mambo ya kigeni ya vyama vya siasa, mara demikrasia, mara banking system, mara serikali ya mihimiki mitatu inayotazamana, mara bunge ka Westminster, mara kusoma Chuo Kikuu, kwa sehemu kubwa ni mambo ya maigizo tu. Si mambo ambayo yanatoka ndani kabisa ya utamaduni wetu.

Tunaigiza tu.

Mchezo wa tennis, wa kigeni. Unatushinda. Wa kwetu soka umetupwa.

 

[h120]

Sasa kama tulikuwa great why tulisurrender kukolinaiziwa?

Ujanja kipaji walituzidi.😁

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Juxtapositioning of the overly friendly, religious and largely emotionally innocent African, who had little appetite for conquest and exploration, with the more warlike and greedy foreigners who were out to exploit.

The African had little appetite for conquest and exploration?

Ever heard of the Pre-Colonial Mfecane wars?

How do you think those came to be if weren’t for King Shaka’s expansionism?

Those influential African kingdoms of Mali under Sundiata Keita, Songhai Empire under Muhammad Askia, the kingdom of Aksum and others didn’t just pop up like mushrooms in the bushes.

They were created. There were conflicts. There were conquests in the process.

To say that the African had little appetite for conquest and exploration is just not factually correct.

I’d be in agreeance with you if you tell me maybe he didn’t have the means and ways for the exploration and conquest of much far and away lands as the reason why he didn’t do it.

In an ironic twist, the so called savage was actually culurally more respectful of others -he did not invade their lands, impose his religion on them, enslave them, colonize them, neo-colonize them etc- .

Again, this is not factually correct.

Africans warred against each other during Pre-Colonial times.

Those conflicts arose due to invasions, impositions, etc.

The supposedly civilized foreigners were focused on not being sentimental, but materialistic. Their truth was not respecting harmony, but wealth.

The history if the conquest and partitionnof Africa, India, Australia, the Americas etc shows a savage people imposing their religion and way if kife on indigenous peoples all over the world.

Savagery is part of the human condition. It existed in Africa before its contact with the Europeans.

When the Europeans came they just brought a different kind of it.

Going full circke to temhe questionnof "Make Africa Great Again", I admit it has a "monkey see, monkey do" ring to it, as a bite of Trumos propaganda, which is a bite out of Jim Crow America, so the Professor is upholding white nationalists based slogan, while being an African who is advocating for African greatness, from America. That alone is interesting and convoluted. I cannot wholly support that confused mess.

That’s a bit too harsh. I didn’t take it that seriously.

But, my sole contribution was to debunk the notion that Africa cannot be great again, because, when was Africa great to begin with?

It was never great. It has never been great. It has the potential to be great. But it’s got a long ways to go before it can get there!

History books by John Reader, Martin Meredith, Basil Davidson, Cheik Anta Diop, just to name a few of my favorite authors on the subject will beg to differ.

Afrocentric propaganda. That’s what they propagate.

 

[pumzihaiuzwi]

Le professor

 

[Gidbang]

Huyo Prof nilipoona kavaa kofia imeandikwa "Make Africa great again"Nimekata tamaa hata kusoma bandiko lake. Ingawa hata mimi nampinga Mwakyembe.
Can he tell us when Africa was great?Bora hata angesema make Africa great.

Haaaaaa hukuzaliwa dada by then Enzi za hizi picha ila hawa wasomi wetu wote shida tupu wawe bongo wawe nje