Prof. Joseph Mbele atoa andiko kupinga kauli ya Dr. Mwakyembe


Sasa kama sisi Waafrika hatukuwahi kuwa na mshawasha wa kutaka maendeleo ya kiuchumi, nini kinatufanya tusiendelee kuishi bila huo mshawasha?

Ila, historia ya falme na himaya za zamani inaonyesha kuwa mshawasha wa biashara na ujasiriamali ulikuwepo.

Hayo mambo mawili si ndo kiini cha maendeleo ya kiuchumi?
 
One hqs to remember that the Mfecane wars sounds so long ago only because if the frame of reference of the yound Africa of "independent" nation states that gained their indepwndence after WWII, mostly in the sixties.

In the larger frame of things, the Mfecane wars happenned between 1815 and 1840. Way after the Arabs raided East Africa and estabkished trade routes.

Why, tye Dutch wntered South Africa in 1652.

By the time of Mfecane Wars. We were already inculcated with the greed if wanting to dominate ithers and being of influence like the wite man.

The Arabs infkuenced a lot in West Africa. A lot if what is considered African culture is actually Arab culture.

So, the context must be cinsidered. The frame of reference must be considered.

I am talking about the deep past, nit 1815 Africa.
 
Tunaendelea kuishi bila huo mshawasha.

Ila, tunadanganyana kwamba hatuendelei kuishi bika huo mshawasha.

Watanzania wengi kwa mfano, hawaweki kipaumbele kwenye maendeleo ya kiuchumi.

Wanaweka kipaumbele kwenye kuwa na maisha ya urahisi yasiyo na tabu.

Tungeweka kipaumbele kwenye kuwa na maendeleo ya kiuchumi, tungeona tu maendeleo ya kiuchumi yanakija, hata bika kuoangwa na serikali. Hata kwa mtindo wa organic development tu.

Wewe angalia tu watu wanavyochangiana kwenye misiba na harusi, social events.

Halafu angalia watu wanavyochangiana kwenye kusoma, kuanzisha biashara, kilimo.

Hizo historia zinaonesha mshawasha wa biashara na ujasiliamali katika subsistence level. Ndiyo maana Waafrika hawakwenda Ulaya au Asia kutawala nchi za huko, Waarabu na Wazungu ndio wamekuja Afrika kutawala.
 
Huyo Prof nilipoona kavaa kofia imeandikwa "Make Africa great again"Nimekata tamaa hata kusoma bandiko lake. Ingawa hata mimi nampinga Mwakyembe.
Can he tell us when Africa was great?Bora hata angesema make Africa great.
We were great
The word great fall under many aspects, it doesn't always deal with the economy
 
Si hata ushauri alioutoa kwa mwaki chunga ni msaada tosha
 

How deep do you wanna go?

Coz we can go back as far as the 1400s during the Songhai empire under the leadership of Sunni Ali, who himself was a political prisoner in the Mali empire. Mali empire ruled Songhai at the time. Mali ruling over Songhai, that is not conquest?

Later on Songhai was ruled by Askia Muhammad, who brought it to the height of power.

That height of power didn’t just come with nothing. He conquered the surrounding areas.

Songhai was also very instrumental in the slave trade.

How do you think slaves were obtained? Usually they were captives of wars captured during raids and whatnot.

This proves that not all was hunky-dory. There was strife amongst the societies.

And that’s exactly how Songhai fell: internal strife and civil war.

But, we can also go back as far as the 1200s during which the Mali empire was established.

As it grew stronger, it took over surrounding kingdoms.

In the 1300s that’s when Mansa Musa made the trip to Mecca with his 60,000 people entourage in tow. Making Floyd ‘Money’ Mayweather’s entourage look like child’s play.

Haya mambo ya ma entourage hayajaanza majuzi. Kina Mansa Musa walikuwa wanafanya kufuru isiyoelezeka.

Kwa hiyo hapo utaona kwamba, Afrika hakukuwa na amani kivile.

Mifarakanono ilikuwepo. Na chanzo cha mifarakano hiyo mara nyingi ilikuwa ni falme na himaya kutaka kujitanua na kutawala wengine.
 

You have a good point there.

Generally speaking, we like to take the path of least resistance...

‘Kuweka kipaumbele kwenye kuwa na maisha ya urahisi yasiyo na tabu’

Mifano ya hiyo ipo mingi mno aisee....
 
When talking about Sunni Ali, you have to remememember that Sunni and Ali are both Islamic names.

At that point there was already Islamic influence on Africans. The Sultans were already Islamic converts. Mansa Musa went to Mecca for Hajj about 1324-1325.

I did not say all was hunky dory. I said Africans did not prioritize conquest and economic growth.

That is why on that very Hajj trip, Mansa Musa made it rain gold in Cairo.

He have away so much gold as alms intil gokd lost its value, there was an inflatiin for years because Mansa Musa gave so much gold.

That is an African Sultan.
 
Huyo Prof nilipoona kavaa kofia imeandikwa "Make Africa great again"Nimekata tamaa hata kusoma bandiko lake. Ingawa hata mimi nampinga Mwakyembe.
Can he tell us when Africa was great?Bora hata angesema make Africa great.
Afrika ilikuwa juu ndiyo sababu wazungu walikuja japo hawakuwa ndugu huku, baada ya hapo wakaanza kugawana viwanja na rasrimali.
 
You are "right".
 
Kwani unakuwa great hivi hivi tu ? Kuna vitu vinahitaji ujasiri na maarifa unatakiwa uvifanye ili uwe great.Unafikiri unalala unaamka na kuwa great ? Growth yenyewe haipo natural unatakiwa ule na ujikinge na magonjwa ili ukue.
You are "right".
 
Yes Africa were great! Kipindi cha dola kubwa kama dola la Mali chini ya Manka Lankan Mussa Afrika ilikuwa na nguvu sanavhata kipindi cha dola la Ghana na soghay bado tulikua bora sana he umefikiri Afrka kipindi cha Dola la kimisri ambapo ustaarabu duniani ndio ulipoanzia kipindi cha Pharaoh tulikua bora kuliko wao
 
Hizo tambo za kujivuna kuhusu elimu na mafanikio awaachie watani zangu wahaya..
 
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