Rabi Leo Baeck ni nani kwa Israel?

actually walipoligundua tatizo hilo la kumuunga yesu kuwa ndo lucifer bible version mbalimbali zikafanya juhudi kubadili japo kwa machale ndo maana aya hii imejaribiwa kubadilishwa katika kila version ili kujalibu kufuta
 

If you want to deal with this issue for knowledge sharing and learning we will go well Eiyer. However, I dont think our zealot brothers and sister will let this go peacfully not to cause the closure of your thread.
 
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actually walipoligundua tatizo hilo la kumuunga yesu kuwa ndo lucifer bible version mbalimbali zikafanya juhudi kubadili japo kwa machale ndo maana aya hii imejaribiwa kubadilishwa katika kila version ili kujalibu kufuta


Huu ni upotoshaji wa hali ya juu
 
Isaiah 14:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, [ a ] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High
 
Isaiah 14:12-14 English Standard Version (ESV)
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
13 You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north; [ a ]
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
 
Isaiah 14:12-14 New International Version (NIV)
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. [ a ]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High
 
Unachotaka kuendelea kupotosha ni nini?

Isaya 14:12 inasema "SON OF THE MORNING"

Na Ufunuo 22:16 inamalizia kwa kusema "BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR"

Hivyo vitu viwili viko sawa?

actually ile inaitwa nyota ya asubuhi ni sayari ya venus na ndo nyota inayong'aa asubuhi na kilatini no inaitwa lucifer.

na huu unabii wa isaya ulimhusu king ahaz alipofariki dhana kuwa ulimhusu shetani sijui ilipachikwa tu
 
11--Fahari yako imeshushwa hata kuzimu, Na sauti ya vinanda vyako; Funza wametandazwa chini yako, Na vidudu vinakufunika.
12--Jinsi ulivyoanguka kutoka mbinguni, Ewe nyota ya alfajiri, mwana wa asubuhi! Jinsi ulivyokatwa kabisa, Ewe uliyewaangusha mataifa!
13--Nawe ulisema moyoni mwako, Nitapanda mpaka mbinguni, Nitakiinua kiti changu juu kuliko nyota za Mungu; Nami nitaketi juu ya mlima wa mkutano, Katika pande za mwisho za kaskazini.
14--Nitapaa kupita vimo vya mawingu, Nitafanana na yeye Aliye juu.
15--Lakini utashushwa mpaka kuzimu; Mpaka pande za mwisho za shimo.
16--Wao wakuonao watakukazia macho, Watakuangalia sana, wakisema, Je! Huyu ndiye aliyeitetemesha dunia, Huyu ndiye aliyetikisa falme;
17--Aliyeufanya ulimwengu ukiwa, akaipindua miji yake; Asiyewafungua wafungwa wake waende kwao?
 
huo haukua unabii bali isaya akimsimanga marehemu mfalme ahaz
 

Ni sengee flani hivii
 
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If you want to deal with this issue for knowledge sharing and learning we will go well Eiyer. However, I dont think our zealot brothers and sister will let this go peacfully not to cause the closure of your thread.
Tayari kuna mmoja ameleta fujo hapo juu

We kagua tu utaona!
 
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actually walipoligundua tatizo hilo la kumuunga yesu kuwa ndo lucifer bible version mbalimbali zikafanya juhudi kubadili japo kwa machale ndo maana aya hii imejaribiwa kubadilishwa katika kila version ili kujalibu kufuta
Hueleweki hata unachotaka kusema hapa

Mara shetani na Yesu kafananishwa

Mara yale maandiko ya kwenye Isaya hayakumhusu Shetani bali mfale Ahaz

Kipi ni kipi?

Halafu umeshasahau thread inahusu nini?
 
We acha tu!kazi ipo mkuu!kwa hiyo jamaa anataka kusema nini?Yesu ndio Lucifer?!ha ha haa!kazi tunayo na kizazi hiki!
Mkuu nadhani tuachane na hawa wavurugaji

Mkuu hebu nambie,unalijuaje hili ambalo ninalizungumzia hapa kwenye mada?
 

Hicho unachoelezea ni kama ngano au hadithi za kusadikika. Mimi hawa watu nimekaa kwao kama miaka 5 nikipata muda nitawapa maelezo yote. Lakin pia kwa kukusaidia ni kuwa wapo wayahud uarabun, hasa yemen na persia yaan iran, ethiopia, mpaka india na huko ulaya marekan na south africa australia ni kwingineko. Na awali wakati wayahudi wote wameweka shinikizo wanataka kurudi nyumban. baadh ya mataifa ya ulaya walitaka kuifanya uganda ndio makao yao. Na pia tambua Quran na Bible zinawatambua kama ni wakaz halali wa eneo lile. Ndio maana zinaelezea namna walivyotoka misri. na idadi kubwa ya mitume au manabii kwenye hivyo vitabu vyote ni wayahudi. Swali linlojitokeza ni hili kwanini walichukiwa sana kila walikokuwa. Jibu ni kwamba hawa jamaa walikuwa na mafanikio makubwa sana kimaisha kila walikokuwa. Ngoja nitakuja na majibu ya kila alama ya nembo wanazotumia hawa jamaa.
 
Duh!

Aisee!
 
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