Rais kumzawadia mtoto pipi alikuwa na maana gani?

[Companero]

Zakumi rejea tafsiri ya "luxury" hapo juu. Huu sio muda wa Rais ku-"indulge" watoto maskini wa Tanzania ambao kupata maji safi na salama ni ndoto, kusoma shule bora ni njozi, na kupata matibabu mazuri ni habari ya kufikirika na si ya kusadikika. Hiyo Watanzania tunaita 'danganya toto'. Utamu huo utamfanya mtoto huyo azubae na kupumbaa. Nasema hivi: Mpe zawadi itakayomhamasisha na kumchochea asirithi umaskini na uvivu wa kufikiri, kuhoji na kuvumbua ambao kizazi hiki kimeurithi.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

What part of "luxury", as opposed to 'need', don't you understand?

Here is a Dictionary Definition of luxury:

Something that is an indulgence rather than a necessity

Now is a pipi/peremende a necessity the way water/food is?

Well, we all can play that good 'ol game of semantics, can't we? Per the Advanced Learner's Oxford English Dictionary, Luxury means "(1)the best and most expensive food and drink, clothes, surroundings, etc. (2) A thing that is expensive and enjoyable, but not essential e.g. caviar, champagne, etc.

Now since y'all wanna be nitpicky and shit, I would argue with you until the cows come home that to use the word "luxury" to describe pipi doesn't give one the real meaning. I would accept "nonessential" but not luxury.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Zakumi rejea tafsiri ya "luxury" hapo juu. Huu sio muda wa Rais ku-"indulge" watoto maskini wa Tanzania ambao kupata maji safi na salama ni ndoto, kusoma shule bora ni njozi, na kupata matibabu mazuri ni habari ya kufikirika na si ya kusadikika. Hiyo Watanzania tunaita 'danganya toto'. Utamu huo utamfanya mtoto huyo azubae na kupumbaa. Nasema hivi: Mpe zawadi itakayomhamasisha na kumchochea asirithi umaskini na uvivu wa kufikiri, kuhoji na kuvumbua ambao kizazi hiki kimeurithi.

Sidhani kama hivyo vidakika vichache alivyotumia raisi baada ya kufungua hoteli ya kitalii vingebadili hali nzima ya maisha Tanzania. It's not a big deal for God sake. Do you know what the meaning of "not a big deal" is?

Eti utamu wa pipi utamfanya mtoto azubae na kupumbaa? Heheheheee ..where did you get that from? Do you have any empirical evidence to support it? Mbona huko kwa kina Einstein kuna mi chocolate na mipipi kibao na watu bado wanatengeneza miroketi na midege inayoruka kwa remote control...

Again pipi is not a big deal but for some reason you guys are making it seem as if it is the end of the world or something. Come on dude, it's just candy...not a big deal...do you get it?

Mbona mimi utotoni nimekula sana pipi na nimetokea kuwa very okay? Companero, you can't be serious man! You just can't

 

[shabanimzungu]

Oh! come on he (JK) is just being a human like anyone to love children..no offence...

 

[Companero]

Nyani the whole is bigger than the sum of its parts. You may be okay as one of the parts of the whole. But this (w)hole is not okay. Now isn't that a (very) big deal?

Ndio, huko kwa Einstein kuna pipi kibao. Lakini hizo sizo wanazotumia kuchochea fikra za watoto wao ili waje waunde hizo roketi. Yaani, kha, alishindwa kumzawadia kiroketi?

I am not playing semantics or marbles. I am simply saying that a sweet is not a basic need. Poor children go hungry to school. Giving them sweets is contempt in disguise!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Nyani the whole is bigger than the sum of its parts. You may be okay as one of the parts of whole. But the whole is not okay. Now isn't that a (very) big deal?

No, in the context of this debate and what's being shown in that photo it's not a big deal unless you make it to be a big deal. Get it?

Ndio, huko kwa Einstein kuna pipi kibao. Lakini hizo sizo wanazotumia kuchochea fikra za watoto wao ili waje waunde hizo roketi. Yaani aah alishindwa kumzawadia kiroketi?

Kwani Muungwana alivyompa dogo hizo pipi lengo na shabaha yake ilikuwa ni kuchochea fikra za huyo dogo? Ingekuwa kaenda kutembelea shule na baada ya kuona jinsi watoto wanavyosoma na kuishia kugawia darasa zima pipi hapo ungekuwa na hoja ya msingi kulingana na setting. "Ungesema yaani huyu Kikwete anaenda kutembelea shule isiyo na vifaa vya kutosha na badala ya kuwapa watoto kalamu, madaftari na vitabu anaishia kuwagawia pipi" Hapo tungekuwa ukurasa mmoja mkuu. Lakini hii ilikuwa barabarani tu akijitayarisha kuondoka. Ilikuwa haijapangwa. Ebana wee vipi leo..duuuh! Unaniangusha sasa. Man you are a piece of work today!!!

I am not playing semantics or marbles. I am simply saying that a sweet is not a basic need. Poor children go hungry to school. Giving them sweets is contempt in disguise.

I don't see the contempt anywhere. It must be in the eyes of the beholder!

 

[Mag3]

Again pipi is not a big deal but for some reason you guys are making it seem as if it is the end of the world or something. Come on dude, it's just candy...not a big deal...do you get it?

No wonder people like you fail to see the bigger picture - i.e the act of a President handing out pipi to a seemingly malnourished, hungry and needy kid ! What was in his mind ? This is the President for God's sake ! I wont be surprised if next year he will make another visit to dish out kangas and caps to grown-ups this time like he did in 2005 to solicit votes. What for heavens sake makes him desperate to occupy the white house, why does he want to become president - to dish out pipis to kids he meets in his tours locked up in the comfort of luxurious, expensive four wheel drives ? Is this the image he wants the kids of this poor country to remember him for, the candyman Presidaa ?

 

[Ogah]

aisee kumbe "box" zinapagawisha watu eehh......yaani mnaendelea tu na hii non issue......

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

No wonder people like you fail to see the bigger picture - i.e the act of a President handing out pipi to a seemingly malnourished, hungry and needy kid ! What was in his mind ?

Okay, so what did you want him to do? Hand out a bucket full of chicken wings so the kid could eat?

This is the President for God's sake !

This was established back in 2005. We all know he is the president. So what's your point?

I wont be surprised if next year he will make another visit to dish out kangas and caps to grown-ups this time like he did in 2005 to solicit votes.

Name one politician who doesn't do that.

What for heavens sake makes him desperate to occupy the white house,

What white house? Ikulu/ State House is now called the white house?

why does he want to become president - to dish out pipis to kids he meets in his tours locked up in the comfort of luxurious, expensive four wheel drives ?

He is already the president you dummy! Where have you been?

Is this the image he wants the kids of this poor country to remember him for, the candyman Presidaa ?

He'll be remember for many things. If you decide to regard this picture be his main legacy, then go head.....

 

[Companero]

No, in the context of this debate and what's being shown in that photo it's not a big deal unless you make it to be a big deal. Get it?

Kwani Muungwana alivyompa dogo hizo pipi lengo na shabaha yake ilikuwa ni kuchochea fikra za huyo dogo? Ingekuwa kaenda kutembelea shule na baada ya kuona jinsi watoto wanavyosoma na kuishia kugawia darasa zima pipi hapo ungekuwa na hoja ya msingi kulingana na setting. "Ungesema yaani huyu Kikwete anaenda kutembelea shule isiyo na vifaa vya kutosha na badala ya kuwapa watoto kalamu, madaftari na vitabu anaishia kuwagawia pipi" Hapo tungekuwa ukurasa mmoja mkuu. Lakini hii ilikuwa barabarani tu akijitayarisha kuondoka. Ilikuwa haijapangwa. Ebana wee vipi leo..duuuh! Unaniangusha sasa. Man you are a piece of work today!!!

I don't see the contempt anywhere. It must be in the eyes of the beholder!

Don't personalize the debate.

Umejuaje hii ilikuwa haijapangwa? Mtoto alijileta tu nje ya hoteli. Pipi zote zile! Unataka kuniambia zile pipi zinazowekwa hotelini yeye alizizoa tu?

Mbona hiyo sentensi hapo juu hujaiweka hivi: "Ungesema yaani huyu Kikwete anaenda kutembelea kijiji kisicho na shule zenye vifaa vya kutosha na badala ya kuwapa watoto kalamu, madaftari na vitabu anaishia kuwagawia pipi". Huo ndio muktadha. Alikuwa Kijijini. Maskini!

It is small things that matters.

 

[Mag3]

Okay, so what did you want him to do? Hand out a bucket full of chicken wings so the kid could eat?
This was established back in 2005. We all know he is the president. So what's your point?
Name one politician who doesn't do that.
What white house? Ikulu/ State House is now called the white house?
He is already the president you dummy! Where have you been?
He'll be remember for many things. If you decide to regard this picture be his main legacy, then go head.....

Nyani the whole thing was planned to be a publicity stunt. Surely some, like you, have fallen for it while others, like me, are questioning it for what it is - a ridiculous and bizarre scenario executed with poor taste, disgusting and unbefitting for a Prez, am out.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Don't personalize the debate.

Okay, good obseravtion. I'll give you that.

Umejuaje hii ilikuwa haijapangwa? Mtoto alijileta tu nje ya hoteli.

Kujua ilipangwa au haikupangwa hilo mimi na wewe hatujui. Wote tunaenda na kinachoonekana kwenye picha tu. Na kinachoonekana kwenye picha ni Kikwete akimpa dogo pipi huku akiwa kajifunga mkanda wa gari jitu kinacho suggest kwamba alikuwa kajiweka tayari kuondoka

Pipi zote zile! Unataka kuniambia zile pipi zinazowekwa hotelini yeye alizizoa tu?

Hilo wewe na mimi hatujui. Labda alizikomba toka hotelini..Lol...I dunno.

Mbona hiyo sentensi hapo juu hujaiweka hivi: "Ungesema yaani huyu Kikwete anaenda kutembelea kijiji kisicho na shule zenye vifaa vya kutosha na badala ya kuwapa watoto kalamu, madaftari na vitabu anaishia kuwagawia pipi". Huo ndio muktadha. Alikuwa Kijijini. Maskini!

Sijaiweka hivyo kwa sababu hakwenda kwa dhumuni la kutembelea shule. Hiyo sentensi ilikuwa mfano tu wa kukuonyesha wapi na katika muktadha upi mimi na wewe tungekubaliana. That simple!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Nyani the whole thing was planned to be a publicity stunt..

That's a statement of fact. Now do you know that for a fact or you are just conjecturing?

Surely some, like you, have fallen for it while others,

I have not fallen for anything. All I'm saying is that it's not a big deal.

like me, are questioning it for what it is - a ridiculous and bizarre scenario executed with poor taste, disgusting and unbefitting for a Prez, am out.

Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Enjoy your weekend

 

[Companero]

Ilikuwa haijapangwa.

Kujua ilipangwa au haikupangwa hilo mimi na wewe hatujui.

Kha! Da kumbe kweli kipendacho roho hula nyama mbichi! Endelea kutetea vitu ambavyo hujui kuwa vimepangwa japo ulidai vimepangwa!

By the way, ever heard of 'PR stunt'? Ever taken for a ride? A presidential ride for that matter?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kha! Da kumbe kweli kipendacho roho hula nyama mbichi! Endelea kutetea vitu ambavyo hujui kuwa vimepangwa japo ulidai vimepangwa!

By the way, ever heard of 'PR stunt'? Ever taken for a ride? A presidential ride for that matter?

Okay, I can rephrase that. Kwa mwonekano wa picha, hilo tukio lilikuwa halijapangwa ila nitafurahi kwa yeyote atakayenionyesha kuwa lilikuwa limepangwa kuwa baada ya JK kufungua hoteli ya kitalii angeenda kumpa bwa dogo pipi kibao.

 

[Ndumbayeye]

kwenye hii thread nimezipenda post za mkuu MBU, heshima kwake!

 

[LazyDog]

No wonder people like you fail to see the bigger picture - i.e the act of a President handing out pipi to a seemingly malnourished, hungry and needy kid ! What was in his mind ? This is the President for God's sake ! I wont be surprised if next year he will make another visit to dish out kangas and caps to grown-ups this time like he did in 2005 to solicit votes. What for heavens sake makes him desperate to occupy the white house, why does he want to become president - to dish out pipis to kids he meets in his tours locked up in the comfort of luxurious, expensive four wheel drives ? Is this the image he wants the kids of this poor country to remember him for, the candyman Presidaa ?

Kwa makusudi, walimuuliza maswali mepesi, hata hivyo Mag3, jibu la swali lako hilo hapo mwisho.



KIKWETE: My goal is to make Tanzanians happier

2005-12-11 08:37:40
By WILSON KAIGARULA

The CCM flag bearer in the Union presidential race that climaxes with elections on Wednesday, JAKAYA MRISHO KIKWETE, granted an exclusive interview to Sunday Observer Editor in Dodoma last Friday.

The following is the full text of the interview, in which Kikwete, who is also the Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation, comments on various issues, including the Ari Mpya, Nguvu Mpya, Kasi Mpya slogan, privatization, criteria for appointing cabinet ministers and empowerment of disadvantaged groups.

Q: What is the genesis of the much-sung Ari Mpya, Nguvu Mpya, Kasi Mpya slogan, and what, if elected, do you hope your government would achieve by its application?
A: If elected, one of the major agenda items of my presidency will be to fight poverty and under-development. There are many on-going efforts to this end, which we would sustain with renewed determination, vigour and at a faster pace.

Q: Critics and cynics in some quarters charge that successive CCM governments lack an impressive record in the social, economic and political fields, and that, therefore, the ruling party should step aside and create room for the Opposition to govern the country. Is the perception justified?
A: That perception is baseless and utterly erroneous. A lot has been achieved; much ground has been covered. We are still a poor, under-developed country, but when one compares what we are now with what we were at independence forty four years ago, there’s definitely remarkable progress. There are a number of indicators in this regard. Micro-finance indicators, for instance, place the economic growth rate now at 6.7 per cent and inflation is at 4.4 per cent. These are levels we have never achieved since independence. Revenue collection has increased admirably.

Q: The new outlook on youthfulness and who the youths are, has created confusion, somewhat. It is not easily sinking in the minds of some people, that people in your age bracket; i.e. in the mid-50s, should be regarded as youths, whereas that is the retirement age period, at least in the public service context. Please clear the aid.
A: Defining youthfulness is not really an issue. People certainly know who is a youth and who is not. In my specific case, I may look youthful, but that does not mean that I belong to the category of youths.

Q: Privatisation and joint partnership arrangements have created some misgivings, some people claiming that nationals are being short-changed and foreigners are reaping disproportionately big benefits. Do you share the contention?
A: Privatization has benefited nationals and foreigners alike. Of course due to the low financial capacity of our people, they are going for smaller enterprises, while foreigners are dominating large ones like Tanzania Breweries. The important thing here is to empower nationals, to enable them venture into large-scale enterprises.

Q: President Benjamin Mkapa styled his ministers, including you, paratroopers. What label�if any�will you pin on your ministers if you win the election and form the next government ?
A: I haven’t thought about it, but should make it, I might think of a suitable, collective name to give to the ministers.

Q: What criteria would you apply in appointing ministers and other key officials ?
A: Patriotism, love for the nation, integrity, hard work and experience.

Q: How about the mwenzetu syndrome, whereby it is alleged that some individuals who lack requisite credentials are appointed to important posts and when they mess up, they are not dropped but are perpetually re-cycled. This is allegedly based on sheer friendship as well as other affiliations not connected with merit. Do you see this as a problem ?
A: Favouritism,, cronyism and re-cycling is a problem, which I will try my best to avoid as factors for influencing appointments, if I become president and therefore the leading appointing authority.

Q: How do you hope to create additional jobs?
A: Through two routes. One is wage employment with the government as an employer, but we will count more and more on the private sector as a complimentary job creator. The other is self-employment, through empowerment, by micro-finance schemes.

Q: Are you satisfied with the manner in which corruption is currently being fought and would retain the style; or would you pursue a different approach?
A: Current efforts to stamp out the vice are commendable, When one looks back, had it not been for the interventions of President Mkapa, corruption would have become a normal way of life. We have got to continue with the efforts, strengthening the Prevention of Corruption Bureau is one of the means of fuelling the anti-corruption drive. But long-term measures have to be taken too. One of the factors that bred what I call nuisance corruption is lack of a living wage. Once people get a living wage, temptations for anaging in corrupt practices will ease. We would then remain with grand corruption, whose perpetrators we would firmly deal with.

Q: How would you address the plight and complaints of marginalised groups like the physically disabled and women?
A: We would strive to empower women economically, and thereby help liberate them from abject poverty. This is clearly spelled out in the CCM Election Manifesto. Micro-finance schemes can do a lot in this area, As for the physically disabled, they need economic empowerment as well, But the bigger problem is stigmatization, segregation and exclusion. I have an experience of an environmental engineer, who was periodically on the verge of securing employment, but would-be employers withdrew the offers subtly, after noting that he had a physical deformity. He contacted me, and I succeeded to have him hired by an important local institution.

Q: Given your military background, you are obviously upset by the occasional harassment and attacks of civilians by soldiers. What would you do to reinforce discipline in the disciplined forces if you became president and commander-in-chief of the armed forces?
A: It is extremely sad, because basically, it contravenes military ethics. The relationship between the people and the army is like what exists between fish and water, whereby the army is the fish and the people constitute water. If you take fish out of water, it dies. So,. the army needs the people. It has to be friendly to them. It is only a few soldiers who breach the ethics, and I am glad that the leadership takes appropriate action whenever acts of indiscipline occur.

Q: What do you perceive as the major problems facing the Union and how do you propose to address them?
A: I cannot single one specific factor. The important things is to ensure that both sides of the Union are comfortable. Some issues have been raised and addressed, and some have not been. What I intend to do, if elected, is to accelerate the speed of addressing issues that remain outstanding.

Q: What Nyerere, Mwinyi and Mkapa legacies do you cherish most and would sustain?
A: Mwalimu Julius Nyerere was instrumental in building a united, peaceful, stable country; Mzee Ali Hassan Mwinyi spearheaded political and economic reforms, and I credit President Mkapa for managing micro-economic stability.

Q: What should Tanzanians and their well wishers expect from a JAKAYA MRISHO KIKWETE administration?
A: If I win the election, I will naturally be happy. But my bigger joy would spring from having Tanzanians happier at the end of my tenure, than when they were at its beginning.

 

[Kaitaba]

Hayo maswali anatakiwa aulizwa mzazi na sio mpita njia. Mnazidisha sana hisia kiasi cha kupoteza rationally za kufikiri sasa.

Angempa mwanangu ningemtupia usoni na kumweleza kuwa mwanangu haitaji pipi ila uhakika wa elimu na matibabu pia na chakula.

 

[Kaizer]

Angempa mwanangu ningemtupia usoni na kumweleza kuwa mwanangu haitaji pipi ila uhakika wa elimu na matibabu pia na chakula.

Mkuu hapo tupo ukurasa mmoja sana, ila wengine kama kawaida wanaona 'sio big deal' hakuna cha kuhoji hapo!

 

[Zakumi]

Angempa mwanangu ningemtupia usoni na kumweleza kuwa mwanangu haitaji pipi ila uhakika wa elimu na matibabu pia na chakula.

Cha kwanza ungemwita mtoto na kunyang'anya hizo pipi na kumbakishia moja tu. Zingine ungewagawia watoto wako wengine hili uonekane kama wewe ndio unayetoa zawadi.