SGR electrification on the cards

SGR electrification on the cards

BlietzKrieg said:
Na iyo yenu yenye inajengwa cheaply kama tarmac road,flat and cheap
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Full automatic, up to date and cut edge communication technology, haitokaa out train zikagongana, zikikaribiana tu kila DEREVA anajua 50Km away, na watu walioko control centre wanaziona na wana uwezo wa kuzisimamisha kutokea control center.
 
vulcan said:
India is doing it on some of their tracks.. the problem is that if you try combining everything into one(electric-double-stack, cargo and passenger ) it becomes messy...
so most railway system are built with the focus being either cargo or passenger carrying in mind.. so one of them becomes secondary.

Some interesting article - Double-stack rail transport
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Double stacking is an old method of increasing the throughput of a railway..
Mordern electric Railways use speed and More Axle weight to increase the throughput/ efficiency to more than what a double stack can do While maintaining the usability of the rail for passager train
Double stacking ni ushamba used mostly on diesel locomotives.
For kenya to electrify while using the same for passangers its just not worth the cost, but hey this is Jubilee..They are not very intelligent!
 
Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Double stacking is an old method of increasing the throughput of a railway..
Mordern electric Railways use speed and More Axle weight to increase the throughput/ efficiency to more than what a double stack can do While maintaining the usability of the rail for passager train
Double stacking ni ushamba used mostly on diesel locomotives.
For kenya to electrify while using the same for passangers its just not worth the cost, but hey this is Jubilee..They are not very intelligent!
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The 2 SGR projects - KE and TZ will be better compared when complete...BUT : -
I don't want to take you into this SGR debate but i want to know, how viable is the TZ SGR??
i know both TZ and KE are hoping that the landlocked countries - UG,RW, BUR connect to their railway for cargo transport...

In my opinion the KE SGR will still have business even if UG does not connect because of the need to transport cargo between the Capital NRBI and port city of Mombasa...but what of Tanzania??? the capital is at the port, so that is where most business is..

Also on passenger transport, the KE sgr is always full, in fact if you try booking now it's booked till end of DEC, unless you try the first-class..

If UG opts to connect to KE SGR, what is Tanzania's game plan?
No offense intended but to me the TZ railway though cheaper, to me it looks like a bigger white-elephant project.

I would like your opinion on this.. No insults please.
 
vulcan said:
The 2 SGR projects - KE and TZ will be better compared when complete...BUT : -
I don't want to take you into this SGR debate but i want to know, how viable is the TZ SGR??
i know both TZ and KE are hoping that the landlocked countries - UG,RW, BUR connect to their railway for cargo transport...

In my opinion the KE SGR will still have business even if UG does not connect because of the need to transport cargo between the Capital NRBI and port city of Mombasa...but what of Tanzania??? the capital is at the port, so that is where most business is..

Also on passenger transport, the KE sgr is always full, in fact if you try booking now it's booked till end of DEC, unless you try the first-class..

If UG opts to connect to KE SGR, what is Tanzania's game plan?
No offense intended but to me the TZ railway though cheaper, to me it looks like a bigger white-elephant project.

I would like your opinion on this.. No insults please.
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Tanzania kamwe haitegemei kusafirisha mzigo wa Uganda, sisi tunalenga Burundi, Rwanda na DRC through Kigali, na huko hatulengi imports za hizo nchi, zaidi tunalenga mineral exports. DRC na Burundi, waligundua madini mengi sana ya Chuma, Shaba, Aluminum, Nickel, Tin, graphite, oil and gas.

Pili Tanzania yenye ina MADINI mengi sana, hasa Chuma, Uranium, Aluminium, Copper, Helium gas, Agriculture produce, yote hayo yanatosha kuifanya hii rail economically viable bila hata nchi za jirani.

Kuhusu passenger trains, huko ndio wala usizungumze, kila siku kuna zaidi ya buses 500 zinatoka na kuingia Dar, jumla ni buses 1000. Kumbuka train hii inaunganisha Dar na Dodoma, kwahiyo flow ya passengers kati ya Dar na Dodoma ni Mara mbili ya Mombasa na Nairobi.
 
vulcan said:
The 2 SGR projects - KE and TZ will be better compared when complete...BUT : -
I don't want to take you into this SGR debate but i want to know, how viable is the TZ SGR??
i know both TZ and KE are hoping that the landlocked countries - UG,RW, BUR connect to their railway for cargo transport...

In my opinion the KE SGR will still have business even if UG does not connect because of the need to transport cargo between the Capital NRBI and port city of Mombasa...but what of Tanzania??? the capital is at the port, so that is where most business is..

Also on passenger transport, the KE sgr is always full, in fact if you try booking now it's booked till end of DEC, unless you try the first-class..

If UG opts to connect to KE SGR, what is Tanzania's game plan?
No offense intended but to me the TZ railway though cheaper, to me it looks like a bigger white-elephant project.

I would like your opinion on this.. No insults please.
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On Export: Tz has alot of Raw material inland Like Copper, Graphite, Gold, uranium etc and alot of Palm oil and other bulk agric raw material that can be transported to Dar in bulk for processing/ sale overseas. There is even a bagamoyo SEZ for the value addition industries.
On Import: Tz serves RW,BR, Congo and UG. Infact, its easier for UG because TZ SGR is going to reach Mwanza port with no expense to Museveni, unlike kenya that has been harassing M7 to fund SGR to Kisumu. Kagame wants to "rule" Eastern Congo with a large dry port - Ofcourse you know Kagame still habours ambitions in congo both politicaly and economicaly

On passangers: JPM has moved Gvt services from DAR to Dodoma..Passangers will also frequent that route. The train will be cheaper than buses and faster, it will be hard to get a ticket the demand will be high.

If UG opts to connect to kenya SGR :
No loss, JPM has already bought huge Cargo boats to ferry cargo to port bell in UG. Infact they ferried cargo some 2 months ago using the old rail to mwanza then to portbell.
 
Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
On Export: Tz has alot of Raw material inland Like Copper, Graphite, Gold, uranium etc and alot of Palm oil and other bulk agric raw material that can be transported to Dar in bulk for processing/ sale overseas. There is even a bagamoyo SEZ for the value addition industries.
On Import: Tz serves RW,BR, Congo and UG. Infact, its easier for UG because TZ SGR is going to reach Mwanza port with no expense to Museveni, unlike kenya that has been harassing M7 to fund SGR to Kisumu. Kagame wants to "rule" Eastern Congo with a large dry port - Ofcourse you know Kagame still habours ambitions in congo both politicaly and economicaly

On passangers: JPM has moved Gvt services from DAR to Dodoma..Passangers will also frequent that route. The train will be cheaper than buses and faster, it will be hard to get a ticket the demand will be high.

If UG opts to connect to kenya SGR :
No loss, JPM has already bought huge Cargo boats to ferry cargo to port bell in UG. Infact they ferried cargo some 2 months ago using the old rail to mwanza then to portbell.
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joto la jiwe said:
Tanzania kamwe haitegemei kusafirisha mzigo wa Uganda, sisi tunalenga Burundi, Rwanda na DRC through Kigali, na huko hatulengi imports za hizo nchi, zaidi tunalenga mineral exports. DRC na Burundi, waligundua madini mengi sana ya Chuma, Shaba, Aluminum, Nickel, Tin, graphite, oil and gas.

Pili Tanzania yenye ina MADINI mengi sana, hasa Chuma, Uranium, Aluminium, Copper, Helium gas, Agriculture produce, yote hayo yanatosha kuifanya hii rail economically viable bila hata nchi za jirani.

Kuhusu passenger trains, huko ndio wala usizungumze, kila siku kuna zaidi ya buses 500 zinatoka na kuingia Dar, jumla ni buses 1000. Kumbuka train hii inaunganisha Dar na Dodoma, kwahiyo flow ya passengers kati ya Dar na Dodoma ni Mara mbili ya Mombasa na Nairobi.
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Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
On Export: Tz has alot of Raw material inland Like Copper, Graphite, Gold, uranium etc and alot of Palm oil and other bulk agric raw material that can be transported to Dar in bulk for processing/ sale overseas. There is even a bagamoyo SEZ for the value addition industries.
On Import: Tz serves RW,BR, Congo and UG. Infact, its easier for UG because TZ SGR is going to reach Mwanza port with no expense to Museveni, unlike kenya that has been harassing M7 to fund SGR to Kisumu. Kagame wants to "rule" Eastern Congo with a large dry port - Ofcourse you know Kagame still habours ambitions in congo both politicaly and economicaly

On passangers: JPM has moved Gvt services from DAR to Dodoma..Passangers will also frequent that route. The train will be cheaper than buses and faster, it will be hard to get a ticket the demand will be high.

If UG opts to connect to kenya SGR :
No loss, JPM has already bought huge Cargo boats to ferry cargo to port bell in UG. Infact they ferried cargo some 2 months ago using the old rail to mwanza then to portbell.
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Sounds a reasonable projection , but as you all know not all economic plans go as planned..
Lets wait and see.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Kwahiyo watakua na engine za trains, Mara mbili zaidi ya mahitaji ya Kenya, hizi za sasa hivi ndio idadi inayohitajika, wakiweka UMEME watanunua idadi hiyo hiyo.
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Watu wanataka kupiga pesa hapo
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Siasa ya Kenya....watu wanajiandaa kula pesa tuu. Ni wizi tuuu....poor Kenyans
 
Geza Ulole said:
Alright now Mombasa-Nairobi cost will be $3.8bln + 400mln! Kisa Magufuli ame-electrify his SGR 😅☝
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These Kenyans......hahahahahahahaha wataibiwa mpaka mwisho halaf watu huko mashinani wanakula nyasi
 
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