Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[brazaj]

Wakati Putin na majeshi yake walipoivami Ukraine hakika sisi wanajeshi wa buza kwa mtogole tulijua ndani ya saa 48 tu tutakuwa tumesha jimilikisha Kyiv.

Sasa mambo yamekuwa tofauti kila kukicha hatuoni dalili zozote za kushinda hii vita, tumekuwa kama wakiwa zile tambo zote zimekwisha.

Tutaweka wapi sura zetu tulitamba sana kuwa hata mmarekani hatuwezi, sisi ndio kila kitu, tunalo bomu la kuteketeza dunia yote sasa liko wapi?

Tafadhali Putin ongea kitu japo tupate faraja tunaona huyu comedian anatamba tu kila kukicha hana hata wasi wasi 😓😓.

😂😂 Buza kwa Mtogole tunawakilisha:

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Tulisema hapa Ukraine wanafanya makosa kuwapa raia bunduki, wengine wakajibu kwa kejeli eti ni wazalendo. Kinachoendelea bucha kinaumiza sana.
Operation ndio kwanza inamaliza awamu ya kwanza according to Russia, sasa awamu ya pili itachukua mda gani? Ukraine wanatakiwa watumie akili, na sio kumsikiliza yule mzee Biden

Kaka mauaji ya Bucha yana uhusiano gani na hadithi eti raia Waukraine walipewa silaha hovyo??
Warusi hawadai vile, wanasimulia mengine (ambayo haina mantiki wala ukweli: ama Waukraine walitenda mauaji, au Waukraine walipeleka mizigo ya maiti huiko na kuyaweka barabarani kabla ya kuruhusu wanahabari..).
Sasa wateteaji wa Putin hapa JF wanaanza kubuni hadithi mypa ambazo hata washairi wa Putin hawakuwaza bado???

Unaonaje ukifuatilia taarifa za wanahabari waliopata nafasi ya kuongea na wenyeji wa Bucha waliokuwa huko muda wote- kusikiliza wanachosema???

 

[Mshana Jr]

Put in

 

[kiduku mpapaso]

Kaka mauaji ya Bucha yana uhusiano gani na hadithi eti raia Waukraine walipewa silaha hovyo??
Warusi hawadai vile, wanasimulia mengine (ambayo haina mantiki wala ukweli: ama Waukraine walitenda mauaji, au Waukraine walipeleka mizigo ya maiti huiko na kuyaweka barabarani kabla ya kuruhusu wanahabari..).
Sasa wateteaji wa Putin hapa JF wanaanza kubuni hadithi mypa ambazo hata washairi wa Putin hawakuwaza bado???

Unaonaje ukifuatilia taarifa za wanahabari waliopata nafasi ya kuongea na wenyeji wa Bucha waliokuwa huko muda wote- kusikiliza wanachosema???

Kwani uongo wewe una uwakika gani kama hawakubeba silaha

 

[President of China]

🇩🇪The head of the German Foreign Ministry spoke out against the embargo on Russian gas supplies.

Burbock believes that the introduction of a ban on fuel imports from Russia will not affect the end of the conflict in Ukraine, writes Die Welt. At the same time, according to her, Berlin and its EU partners will continue to discuss reducing dependence on Russian gas.

Earlier, the head of Deutsche Bank, Christian Sewing, warned of an inevitable recession in the German economy in the event of refusal to import oil and gas from Russia.

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Taarifa ya wanahabri wa Reuters waliofika Bucha siku 3 baada ya kuondoka kwa Warusi..Wenyeji walianza kuzika hata kabla ya Warusi kuondoka..
reuters.com

Russian retreat leaves trail of dead civilians in Bucha, a town near Kyiv​

April 3, 20221:06 AM GMT+3Last Updated 2 days ago
By Simon Gardner, Zohra Bensemra and Abdelaziz Boumzar

BUCHA, Ukraine, April 2 (Reuters) - Dead civilians still lay scattered over the streets of the Ukrainian country town of Bucha on Saturday, three days after the invading Russian army pulled back from its abortive advance on Kyiv to the southeast.
The smell of explosives still hung in the cold, dank air, mingling with the stench of death.
Sixty-six-year-old Vasily, who gave no surname, looked at the sprawled remains of more than a dozen civilians dotted along the road outside his house, his face disfigured with grief.
Residents said they had been killed by the Russian troops during their month-long occupation.
To Vasily's left, one man lay against a grass verge next to his bicycle, his face sallow and eyes sunken. Another lay in the middle of the road, a few metres from his front door. Vasily said it was his son's godfather, a lifelong friend.
Bucha's still-unburied dead wore no uniforms. They were civilians with bikes, their stiff hands still gripping bags of shopping. Some had clearly been dead for many days, if not weeks.
For the most part, they were whole, and it was unclear whether they had been killed by shrapnel, a blast or a bullet - but one had the top of his head missing.
"The bastards!" Vasily said, weeping with rage in a thick coat and woollen hat. "I’m sorry. The tank behind me was shooting. Dogs!"
"We were sitting in the cellar for two weeks. There was food but no light, no heating to warm up. "We put the water on candles to warm it ... We slept in felt boots."
OPEN GRAVE
Local officials gave Reuters reporters access to the area, and a policeman led the way through streets now patrolled by Ukrainian tanks to the road where the bodies lay.
It was not clear why they had not yet been buried.
Mayor Anatoliy Fedoruk said more than 300 residents of the town had been killed, and a mass grave at one church ground was still open, with hands and feet poking through the red clay heaped on top.
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[YEHODAYA]

Urusi ya kifisadi haiwezi kuwa na ushindi wa kizalendo. Urusi inayotumia Wezi zaidi kujinufaisha binafsi kama kina Abromo!!

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Uko sahihi watu wanatarajia iris ya sasa ya kifisadi iwe na ushindi wa kizalendo ni sawa na kupanda michongoma miti.ya mina halafu mtu atarajie kuvuna alizeti za mafuta ya kupikia

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Taarifa ya wanahabari wa AFP: picha za satelaiti za kampuni la binafsi MAXAR zinaoyesha maiti zilikaa kwenye barabara za Bucha wakati Warusi walikuwepo.

Horror brings Ukraine president to tears news.com.au
.. As Russia denies responsibility over shocking pictures of civilians lying dead in the street in the Ukrainian city of Bucha, new satellite images have revealed the bodies were there more than three weeks ago – when Russian military were in control of the city....
The Kremlin however has said its soldiers had nothing to do with the killings, declaring they had already left the city, northwest of Kyiv, before the violence took place.
But now satellite images reviewed by The New York Times have shown that many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia’s military was in control of the city.
One video filmed by a local council member on April 2 shows multiple bodies scattered along Yablonska Street in Bucha.
Satellite images by Maxar Technologies show that at least 11 of those had been on the street since March 11, when Russia, by its own account, occupied the town.
The images show dark objects of similar size to a human body appearing on Yablonska Street between March 9 and March 11.
The objects appear in the precise positions in which the bodies were found after Ukrainian forces reclaimed Bucha, as the footage from April 2 shows. Further analysis shows that the objects remained in those position for over three weeks.
Ukraine and Western leaders have accused Russia of carrying out the massacre of civilians and dumping their bodies in mass graves, with one pit containing at least 57 people in Bucha.
... ...
Russia has “categorically” denied any role in civilian killings in Bucha. Mr Lavrov has spoken of fake images and a “disinformation” campaign.
On Sunday, Ukrainian prosecutor general Iryna Venediktova said 410 civilian bodies had been recovered in the wider Kyiv region after Russian troops pulled back.
In Bucha, the local mayor said 280 people were buried in mass graves because they could not be buried in cemeteries that were within firing range.
AFP on Saturday saw the bodies of at least 22 people in civilian clothes on a single street in the city.

(nimefupisha kidogo, soma yote https://www.news.com.au/world/europ...a/news-story/a8e1dc061a0747006e335fc2f9dc9753 )

 

[Galip Veryl]

Multiple angles show that these civilians in Bucha were carrying emergency food rations distributed by Russian forces before the troops withdrew

Na hapo tukumbuke Not too long ago, Azov members walisema they would consider those taking help from the Russians as traitors and they would be dealt with accordingly.

Western wanaendelea kufunika haya matukio.

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Kwani uongo wewe una uwakika gani kama hawakubeba silaha

Mpendwa siwezi kuwa na uhakika kuhusu kitu chochote maana sikuwepo. Siwezi kukana uwezekano kwamba labda waliotesha mabawa? walibadilika kuwa mazombie kwa dakika moja?
Ila naweza kutumia akili (jaribu na wewe!!) na mantiki.
Kama sababu ya mauaji ingekuwa walibeba silaha na kushambulia askari Warusi ilhali ni watu raia, basi Jeshi la Kirusi lingekuwa na haki kuwaua.
Na kama ni vile (mamia watu raia kushambulia jeshi katika mji mmoja) kuna taarifa kwenda juu.
Na hapo msemaji wa Putin asingekosa nafasi kutaja sababu inayoeleweka na kukubalika.
Lakini msemaji Abunuwasov hajasema hivyo. Alisimulia hadithi zake kuhusu Wafashisti Waukraine waliomwaga maiti barabarani baada ya Warusi kuondoka.. - au Waukraine wenyewe kufika mji ule na kuua wat hovyo.

Halafu kuna mashahidi kibao. Wakazi ambao ni hai waliokuwepo. Ninakushauri utumie muda kidogo (na akili !!) kukagua taarifa zinazopatikana sasa.

(NB: jaribu pia kunyosha lugha yako kidogo. Ukitaka kuandika Kiswahili huwezi kusema "uongo wewe"! Sema "Mwongo wewe")

 

[Sikirimimimasikini]

Habari zako za ajabu.... Habari zilizojulikana nje ya JF: Kamanda Mrusi aliamuru wanajeshi wake kujenga mahandaki katika msitu wa Chernobyl . sehemu penye machafuko makali bado ya vumbi lenye mnururisho wa nyuklia. Baada ya muda mfupi askari walianza kuonyesha dalili za ugonjwa wa mnururisho. Walikimbia haraka wakapelekwa Belarus.

Tufanye ni kweli..

Kwa hiyo hizo porojo zako ndio zitafanya iwe kweli kuwa Chernobyl imekombolewa na majeshi ya Ukraine jana tarehe 4 April wakati majeshi ya Russia yalikuwa yameshakabidhi Chernobyl kwa Ukraine na kuondoka tarehe 1 April (siku 3 zilizopita) kwa hiari kufuatia makubaliano ya amani yaliyofanyika Turkey?

Hivi mnatumiaga 'makalio' kutafakari mambo?!

Unaletewa habari zilizoripotiwa na vyombo vya habari vya kimataifa vikiwemo Aljazeera na The Wall Street Journal, kwa kuwa hazikupendezi wadai ni habari za ajabu, kisha waleta porojo zako za kwenye vijiwe vya kahawa!p

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[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

summoned to the French Foreign Ministry, he was notified of the expulsion of Russian diplomats - TV.
Galip SV

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

The truth is on our side, we didn’t do it, it’s a provocation.”

Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council Konstantin Kosachev in the stream "Letuchka" said that Russia will continue to seek an international investigation into the production of allegedly dead civilians in Bucha:

“There is already too much evidence that this is a provocation to avoid any discussion. All the arguments are on the table - and, apart from "ay-ya-yay, everything is gone," there is not a single argument from the Ukrainian side and the Western sponsors supporting them.

We have all the other arguments: the date of the withdrawal of Russian troops from Bucha, the entry of Ukrainian troops there, the footage that we had before, information on the networks from a number of overly talkative Ukrainian politicians...

There is a colossal information war going on, where not a single information attack can remain unanswered.”
Galip SV

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

New package of sanctions against Russia may be adopted on April 6 - Secretary of State at the French Foreign Ministry.
Galip SV

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

Volodin called the situation in Bucha a provocation aimed at discrediting Russia.

According to him, this is a staged production, a performance designed for a Western audience.
Galip SV

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

German Foreign Minister Annalena Burbock spoke out against the imposition of an embargo on Russian gas supplies.
Galip SV

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

The truth is on our side, we didn’t do it, it’s a provocation.”

Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council Konstantin Kosachev in the stream "Letuchka" said that Russia will continue to seek an international investigation into the production of allegedly dead civilians in Bucha:

“There is already too much evidence that this is a provocation to avoid any discussion. All the arguments are on the table - and, apart from "ay-ya-yay, everything is gone," there is not a single argument from the Ukrainian side and the Western sponsors supporting them.

We have all the other arguments: the date of the withdrawal of Russian troops from Bucha, the entry of Ukrainian troops there, the footage that we had before, information on the networks from a number of overly talkative Ukrainian politicians...

There is a colossal information war going on, where not a single information attack can remain unanswered.”
Galip SV

Uzalishaji wa propaganda inapata hapa matatizo ya lugha.
"seek an international investigation into the production of allegedly dead civilians in Bucha"
Kumbe these people are not really dead? Only allegedly????

Au walitaka kusema: "the alleged production of dead civilians"? (sentensi ambayo wengi wangekubali, maana hakuna production ya aina hii)

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Ila we mzee hua kiazi mbatata kweli kweli, jana ukajisharabua eti ooh hivi we umelipwa sh ngapi kila wakati kueneza hizo propaganda masaa 24...

Hizo hizo unazooziita propaganda anazoleta umetuliza makalio apo kukaa kuzisoma na kushupaza shingo kutafta pa kukosoa kisha wajiona msomi na mwerevu nyambafu.

Haya Na we tukuulize umelipwa shi ngapi kutafsiri English to English... [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

That's the poor you... Hold on your stupidity uwasubiri wenzio muendelee kusifia ushumwanda wa walioapa msaada kulisha familia zenu.

Asante kwa kukubali tafsiri yangu!! (batata napenda...)
Sasa unasemaje kuhsu mashahidi mjini Bucha waliotoa taarifa eti waliona mauaji yaliyotekelezwa na askari Warusi?
Unaonaje picha za satelaiti za kampuni ya MAXAR zinazoonyesha ,aiti barabarani Bucha katika siku kabla ya kundoka kwa Warusi?

 

[Mtoto wa nzi]

Yaani leo pro Russia wamekuja na mada tofauti, wanazungumiza Mayai kupanda bei Ulaya

Hawatoi Taarifa za precision weapons Wala No Rubble no Gas 🤣😂🤣🤣

Toa zako ....

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]