Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Masaa 72 yamegeuka miezi 9 dadadeq... hakutegemea kabisa.

Mambo mengine bwana,je,Amerika ilichukuwa muda gani kupigana huko VietNam wali acheive nini at the end of the day - nothing!! ,je,Afghanistani (miaka 20),mwisho ni kanchi kadogo ka Yugoslavia ambako ukubwa wake hafukii hata mkoa wa Tabora, jeshi la Amerika lilitumia muda gani kupigana - hayo hamuyasemi au tuseme mnajifanya kusahau badala yake masaa yote kumunanga Putin na jela Urusi.
 
Watu wote waliokufa katika vita Iraq, Afghanistan na Libya hawafiki hata laki saba achilia mbali million 1 au hayo mamilioni unayodanganya hapa.

Kikundi cha kigaidi cha Al-Qaeda ya Osama Bin Laden kilikiri kuua watu 3000 September 11, Taliban wakaambiwa wawakabidhi Osama na wote waliohusika wao wakakataa, hiko ndicho chanzo cha US kuivamia Afghanistan.

Libya ya Gaddafi iliangushwa na raia wake wenyewe waliouchoka udikteta wake, pia kulikuwa na azimio 1973 (2011) la UN lilioungwa mkono na mataifa 10 ya baraza la usalama la UN huku mataifa 5 ikiwemo Russia kutohudhuria na kutopiga kura ya kuweka no fly Zone.

Pia US haivamii nchi nyingine kupora maeneo yake na kuyafanya sehemu ya nchi yake kama ambavyo Russia hufanya.

 
Inapendeza sana ,Tena gavana mwenyewe aliyewekwa na Russia huko luhansik ndiye kathibitisha kipigo hiki[emoji848]

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Cheap propaganda....and a lie
 
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Ukiona gavana mwenyewe hambaye ni pro Russia anakiri hadharani namna hii ujue kwa hakika kichapo ni kikali sana aisee [emoji848]

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Mwaka huu kila lugha mtaongea
 
Upupu mkubwa sana umeandika na uwongo ni wajinga watakusapot et submirine zinapita bila kugundulika mmeshindwa hapo ukraine alafu unatuletea uozo uliojaa wadudu humu

Nikwambie kitu,kwenye JF members walijiunga kwa ajili ya kubadirishana mawazo na kujifunza vitu ambavyo walikuwa ni vigeni kwao hata mimi nimejifunza mengi kutoka kwa individual members ambao ni level headed and knowledgeable hawazodoi watu,kutumia lugha za vijiweni au kuwatukana members wenzao wanapo tofautiana kwenye maoni, hawana hata manners za ku-agree to disagree without offending anyone - shida tupu waswahili ill mannered.

Kuna mambo mengine huwa hatutaki kusayema sema - mfano: Mimi ni mwana sayansi ninesomea vyuo vikuu vya mataifa ya magharibi ambayo nyinyi ambayo baadhi yenu mnayachukulia kana kwamba ni Miungu wadogo wa hapa Duniani na mgetegemea labda mimi ndiye ningukuwa shabeki na muhusudu mataifa ya magharibi kama kulipa fadhila, lakini kwa bahati mbaya au nzuri mimi siko hivyo, sifuati upepo kama bendera au kufuata mkumbo kutokana na propaganda za MSM designed ku-brain wash watu,na wamefanikiwa sana katika crusade yao ya kuwachota watu akili, kuna mambo mengine watu wanazungumza mpaka mtu unabaki unaduwaa unashindwa to see any logic behid ya ufafanuzi wa muhusika.

Wana sayansi ethics zao ni ku-stick kwenye masuala ya facts na figures sio mambo ya kubuni buni tu, kama nilivyo sema tangu mwanzo ukiwasikiliza baadhi ya members welewa wa mambo utajifunza mengi - mfano nilikuuliza kwamba,je, umewahi kusikia neno la black hole kuhusu baadhi ya submarine za Urusi - nikaongezea kwamba jina hilo lilibuniwa na Wamerika wenyewe baada ya kugundua kwamba kuna baadhi ya Russian Subs ambazo ni ngumu kuzi detect zukiwa under water - sisi ni nani kuwabishia wana marine scientists wa Kimerikani, nilitegemea ungejaribu walao kupitia clue yangu hiyo ili ijifunze kitu lakini wapi bwana umekuja na ubishi wako kwa mara nyingine tena kwamba haiwezekani Amerika haishindwi kitu hakuna submarine yoyote inaweza kukatisha American territorial waters bila ya kujulikana yaani kuwa detected na sonars za Kimerikani - just imagine!!

Je, tungewambieni kwamba Kamikaze Drones za Iran haziwezi kuwa detected/tracked na the most sophisticated RADAR hapa Duniani including za Merikani - tunge raise suala hilo kwa kuwa tunajua tunacho kisema wangejitokeza members hapa wangebishi usiku kucha kwamba Wairan hawana uwezo wewote kisayansi na kiteknolojia kuliko Merikani - mko hivyo, imani ndio unawasumbua - wakati mwingine mnaleta ubishi husio na mantiki hata kidogo-mkikosa hoja zenye mshiko mnaishia kuzodoa watu bila sababu za msingi - mimi mwanzo nilifikiri JF ni jukwaa la kubadirishana mawazo na kujifunza mambo mapya na kikubwa zaidi kukubaliana kuto kubaliana bila ya kumkashifu mtu au kumzodoa mtu - finally nimekuja kugundua kwamba my perception kuhusu JF were totally wrong - dead wrong!!
 
Inabid ukapimwe akili si bure nyie ndio kina doctor shika mnaongea habari za kusadikika eti mwanasayansi
 
OPINIONOPINION,
Opinions|Russia-Ukraine war

Western media and the war on truth in Ukraine​

Deception is at the heart of all warfare.
Published On 4 Aug 20224 Aug 2022

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy speaks to the media as Russia's invasion of Ukraine continues, in Bucha, outside Kyiv, Ukraine, April 4, 2022 [Marko Djurica/Reuters]

Who is winning the war in Ukraine depends on who is doing the talking.

Predictably, Russia says that it is winning as planned, while the United States says Ukraine is pulling a surprise win, thanks to its steadfast resistance and Western support.

On the face of it, authoritarian Russia cannot be trusted with the facts, let alone the truth about the war, while the liberal West inspires greater credibility as it allows for a free and independent inquiry. But in reality, as Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu said, “all warfare is based on deception”. Neither side could or should be trusted to reduce the fog of war, because both are fully engaged in psychological warfare, which is key to winning the overall war in Ukraine.

In fact, both sides are propagating their own selective facts and myths, while censoring counterclaims, as each needs to maintain an appearance of progress in order to justify big sacrifices in blood or treasure. And both sides need to up the ante in order to harden public resolve behind their goals, which thus far have excluded any serious effort towards a diplomatic solution.

Russia hopes to degrade the morale of the Ukrainian resistance and deflate European support for a war that cannot be won, while the US wants to shore up Ukrainian and European enthusiasm for a winnable war, even if privately, US officials doubt Ukraine could recover all its occupied territories.

While the Russian media has little or no choice but to parrot the official line, Western media has a choice but chooses to trust NATO and Pentagon briefs and reports, regardless of their intentions. Take for example the declaration of an anonymous (why anonymous?) senior Pentagon official that: “Russia has committed nearly 85 percent of its military to the war in Ukraine” and “has removed military coverage from other areas on their border and around the world”; Russia “still has not figured out how to use combined arms effectively”; Russia is “taking hundreds of casualties a day”. Among Russia’s military fatalities have been “thousands” of lieutenants and captains, “hundreds” of colonels, and “many” generals.

Now I have no clue if any of this or other such claims are true, and nor I suspect do the officials propagating it or the journalists spreading it. But it is out there, shaping the opinions of the public, the elites and the experts, most of who believe Ukraine is able to pull off some sort of an upset if not an outright victory against its largely more powerful neighbour. But the Western and especially Anglo-American media seems to suffer from short, or should I say selective memory when it takes the official line at face value, as if the official deception during yesterday’s wars in Afghanistan, Iraq or Vietnam, has no bearing on covering today’s war in Ukraine.

In 2019, the Washington Post newspaper revealed that senior US officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable. In other words, they lied. But media outlets, think-tanks and influential pundits continued to rely on these “officials”; even after it was revealed that they have also lied about another war – the Iraq war, which was also fought on false pretence and fabricated evidence.

Official deception was even worse during the Cold War. For example, the “Pentagon Papers” published about half a century ago revealed that the US government was guilty of an enormous cover-up regarding the terrible losses in the Vietnam war, which led to some 55,000 American and more than a million Vietnamese deaths. Any expectation that US media and the public’s trust in the government’s take on wars was “forever diminished”, turned out to be premature, as official lies about the “dirty wars” in Asia and Central America continued to be widely reported as facts.

Even today, as US Special Operation Command covertly deploys special forces across Africa to fight “shadow wars”, it blatantly preaches “free and transparent press”. One does not know whether to laugh or cry.
So it is no surprise that governments, whether autocracies or democracies, lie about wars for tactical or strategic reasons. In fact, there is a fancy name for it – stratagem, which means to deliberately send untrue signals to unsettle the enemy while reassuring one’s own side.

What is shocking is how the “free press” in the “free world”, which to its credit has helped reveal much of the official deception in the past as in the “Pentagon Papers” and the “Afghan Papers”, is adamant about echoing and amplifying the official line as if it were complicit in the war.

Watching journalists and pundits in respected American and British journals exhaust the synonyms of fascist, evil and dangerous to describe Russia’s Putin, with little or no attempt at balance or objectivity, one is inclined to believe that Western media has largely been enlisted in NATO’s crusade against Putin’s Russia until victory. But what does “victory” entail here: liberating all of Ukraine? Or weakening Russia to the extent it no longer threatens other European countries?

The difference cannot be overstated, because NATO’s ultimate objective is to defeat Russia and deter China from following in its footsteps, regardless of the price for Ukraine. That is why both sides seem adamant to continue the fight regardless of the cost. Russia hopes time will force a weakened Ukraine and a wobbly Europe to blink first and eventually back down. And the US is keen on Ukrainians fighting on regardless of whether a “victory” is achievable, as long as the war exhausts the Russian military and weakens its economy.

It is betting that Putin’s Russia will crack in Ukraine just as the Soviet Union imploded after a decade-long war against the US-supported armed uprising in Afghanistan. But then again, Ukraine is no Afghanistan; not in any relevant way, and Russia does not view it as a disposable geopolitical asset.

So even if Ukraine has in fact managed a surprise upset against the invading Russian forces and forced Moscow into an unexpected war of attrition, it remains far from certain that it could maintain its counter-offensive for another six months, let alone another six years.

The ongoing battle for Kherson may provide a clearer signal about where things are heading. But as long as Western military support remains robust but defensive in nature so as not to risk a nuclear confrontation with Russia, expect the destructive war of attrition to continue in the medium run, or reach a tense stalemate at best, not any form of a decisive victory for either side.

Did someone say diplomacy…?!



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Wamarekani wameshtuka kuwa US ndiyo mfadhiri wa wanazi ndiyo atakuja kuwaingiza kwenye Vita ya Nuclear.
ni mawazo yake ana uhuru huo, US si kama wananchi wa Urusi ambao ukipinga vita unakamatwa na kufungwa kwa Uhaini.

Mtwango unaendelea katika vijiji vya Bakhmut and Avdiivka hadi Putin atie adabu.



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