Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Intuition said:
Alikuzwa na nani???Vitu vingi mnajitengenezea wenyewe, mfano embu tafuta credible source yako halafu tupe list ya powerful countries (military power). Hao wazungu mnaowaabudu kama miungu watu ndo wanawatengenezeeni hizo list......au basi nao wanaongopa??
Ndo maana huwa tunasema tunaongea humu utafikiri watoto wa form four.......
"Et wa kawaida sana" kwa sababu unamapenzi tu...na unaandika tu na hisia.....Yaani hivyo vi drones vinavopenya na kuripuka ndo unatumia justification....

Wapalestina mara kibao wamewaotea wayahudi..(Utasema Israel wa kawaida kisa wapelistina wanawaoetea siku moja moja)

Wakurdi wanawasumbua kupita maelezo Turkey (Utasema Turkey ni wa kawaida)

Al Quida walifanikiwa kupenya mpaka wakalipua (Pentagon & NY ):Utasema Wamarekani wa Kawaida

US-Afghanistan wamekipiga 20 yrs...wameondoka..Taliban wamerudi (Utasema US wa kawaida)

Yemen pale Houthi...wanampa tabu Saudia Arabia pamoja na washirika wake..( Utamlinganisha Saudia na hao Houthi kweli...Hao Houthi wanarusha maroketi yanapenya tu utafikiri Saudia hajawekeza billions kwenye ulinzi)

US aliondoka Somalia 1994...(Utasema US wa kawaida)

Wa Viet-cong..walimpa tabu US..kaamua kusepa (Kweli utalinganisha USA na Vietnam:Utasema US wa kawaida)

Wa-Japan walimpa usumbufu wa ajabu USA kwenye vita vya pili..mpaka wakaamua kutumia nyuklia...Utasema USA wa kawaida sio-we unafikiri USA angeamua kukaza kwelikweli..hata bila nyuklia Japan asingesalimu?)

Haya Ujerumani ya Hilter alipokea kichapo baada ya miaka 6 ya kutwangana.....(Kwa akili zako utasema Ujerumani ya Hilter ilikuwa superpower ya mchongo..kisa tu alishindwa???

Waafrika tunawekaga chuki zetu mbele, utafikiri kuna kitu zitabadirisha....

Tunachambua vita utafikiri....ni ugomvi kati ya mke na mme..au Wakina Mandonga....

Aibu sana
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Ni kujitoa akili tu lakini deep down wanajua Russia ni level zingine. Hakuna taifa duniani lenye nguvu za kijeshi kama urusi. Halipo! Russia ni nchi ya tano kwa military budget lakini ni nchi ya pili kwa nguvu za kijeshi. According to west.

Budget ya urusi kijeshi haifiki hata 10% ya ile ya US na nguvu zake ndio hizi ambazo Biden anaihutubia dunia waziwazi akiwaambia direct confrontation btn NATO and Russia is something to avoid strongly! Keypoint "NATO vs Russia" sio US ni NATO!!!

Vipi siku russia akiwa na budget hata ya 25% ya hiyo ya US!? Je US angekuwa na budget ya 60b usd per yr angekuwa hapo alipo!?

Mpka ss hv Ukraine amepewa misaada ya zaidi ya bilioni 90 euro kutoka mataifa zaidi ya 40 duniani. Na bado mingine inakuja. Hakuna mtu/nchi iliyowahi kupewa misaada mingi namna hii duniani.

Russia ni dude kuuubwa
 
T14 Armata said:
Hiyo ya UK imezinduliwa December mwaka 2019 na trials zilikuwa bado kukamilika. Tufanye basi ni mbovu, tangu December 2019 izinduliwe ilishatembea baharini siku 267 (kulingana na source yako).
Wakati huo, hii Admiral Kuznetsov ya Russia tangu iwe kwenye dry dock mwaka 2017 halijawahi tembea baharini hata siku mojaView attachment 2459053
Na hapo kwenye dry dock ilishapata ajari tatu nyingine ni wiki jana, na ilishaua watu wawili, ilishazamisha floating dock pekee ya Russia yenye uwezo kuibeba. Meli kupata ajari kwenye dry dock inafanyiwa repair ni sawa na gari kupata ajari likiwa gereji

Bado UK ina HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier iliyozinduliwa 2014View attachment 2459051
Ukiongeza na hiyo HMS Prince of Wales ya 2019 unawakuta Waingereza wana uwezo kutunisha misuli hata maeneo ya South America kwa Navy yao. Russia kutoka kwao kwenda Syria na hiyo Kuznetsov ilibidi warudi na tugboat na tangu warudi dude limekaa matengenezo hadi leo. Hawa ndio mnaita superpower!

Na ndio hao hao walikuwa na flagship ya Black Sea fleet isiyo na radar za uhakika inapigwa kama boti ya uvuvi. Meli kubwa ya tani zaidi ya 10,000 na futi 600 ina radar za kijinga, hela za refit sijui wahuni walikula au teknolojia mbovu ya hizo radar. Anti missile systems hazihusiki maana hakuna feedback ya radar ilionyesha targetView attachment 2459052
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Hii moskova ki-uwezo, kazi zake na hata radar na anti missiles zake tunaweza kufananisha na USS Zumwalt ya Marekani?

Axel Lloyd
 
passioner255 said:
Labda hujui historia.marekani na Russia kuwa kwenye pande mbili zinazokinzana kwenye vita ni kawaida mfano Korea war,Syria na kwingineko.kupigwa Kwa hizo kambi haimaanishi usalama wa urusi utadorora kumbukuka Russia ana kila Aina ya silaha kwa wingi.
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Kwa kuongezea...Ukraine anachofanya ni kama kuinua morali na kuonesha kwa West kuwa misaada wanayotoa inafanyakazi..mtakumbuka miezi kadhaa nyuma...west walianza kulakamika hawaoni matokeo ya misaada wanayotoa...

Pia watu wajua kwamba mpaka wa Ukraine na Urusi ni approximatelly km 2300..yaan almost safari ya Dar Mwanza nenda na kurudi....kulinda mpaka wote huo..si mchezo....ni impossible...
 
Tsh said:
Again, kutokushinda hii vita kwa Ukraine sio ajabu, ajabu ni Ukraine kushambulia ndani ya Urusi....

Be honest, wakati wa mwanzoni uliwafikiri kuwa Ukraine anaweza ishambulia kambi ya Urusi ndani ya Urusi? Hili halikufikirika kwenye vichwa vya watu wengi hata kwa wamarekani wa humu.
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Urusi ameshakuwa mdebwedo..,ndio maana Ukraine anapata ujasir wa kumchakaza mpaka kwao

Nafikiri wale waliokuwa wanauliza mara kwa mara kwamba mbona Ukraine hashambulii ndani ya urusi?? Leo watakuwa wamepata majibu mujalabu kabsa
Ikumbukwe kwamba Leo si mara ya kwanza kwa Ukraine kutembeza mkong'oto ndani ya urusi.., lakini kinachotofautisha hiki kichapo Cha Leo na vichapo vinginevyo..,ni kwamba wizara ya ulinzi ya urusi imejitokeza wazi bila kupepesa macho na kukiri mchana kweupe kwamba wamepokea kipigo Cha drone kutoka Ukraine
Hapo mwanzoni urusi haikuwai kukiri kwamba imetembezewa kichapo kwenye ardhi yake ,Bali walikuwa wanasema ni sabotage japo ukweli walikuwa wanaujua vizuri tu

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Proved said:
Hii moskova ki-uwezo, kazi zake na hata radar na anti missiles zake tunaweza kufananisha na USS Zumwalt ya Marekani?

Axel Lloyd
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USS Zumwalt na Slava class destroyer (class ya Moskva) ni naval concepts tofauti sana. Kwanza Zumwalt ni destroyer ambavyo destroyer huwa ni faster, ndogo zaidi ya cruiser na haiendi mbali ikiwa independent. Destroyer inatumika kwenye escorts mfano aircraft carrier ikiwa deployed lazima destroyer iwepo ila sio lazima sana cruiser iwepo.

Cruiser inaweza tumika ikiwa independent, ikaenda mbali kushambulia kwa makombora labda ya kupiga ardhini kama Ticonderoga inavyobeba Tomahawk cruise missiles. Destroyer inakuwa na makombora ya kupigia meli, ndege na kupigia makombora ya kupiga meli, sometimes nyingine itaitwa missile destroyer.

Moskva ilitofautiana na concept ya US Navy kwenye kuunda cruiser. Marekani wao wanatumia vertical launchers wanahifadhi makombora ndani ya meli, wanasema ni kosa kubwa sana kuweka makombora nje yako exposed kwenye canisters hata mhuni akija na RPG bandarini akapiga moja linalipuka na kulipua mengine meli inaharibika. Ndio maana utetezi wa Urusi Moskva ilipopigwa ni huo huo kwamba hali mbovu ya hewa ilisababisha mlipuko wa makombora (an extremely silly excuse).

Navy isiyo na aircraft carriers ndio hutumia cruiser kama mbadala wa meli kubwa na flagship ambayo Admiral ataongozea fleet kama akiingia majini.
Navy yenye carriers haina haja sana na cruiser. Marekani naona hawana mpango nazo tena Ticonderoga zinastaafu miaka hii ya 2020s na hakuna project mpya. China wako busy na carriers na destroyers kama Type 055 (nzuri sana hii), siwaoni na cruisers. Russia nao cruiser mpya hawana hii Slava class ni ya Soviet Union ndio maana Moskva ilipozama meli ya Slava iliyobaki ipo Ukraine walishaipumzisha.

Cruiser ni concept inaenda inapotea labda. Kama battleship zilivyopotea. Russia wanapenda corvette ni meli ndogo haina ugumu sana kuiunda na haitumii bajeti kubwa.

Zumwalt ni somehow failed concept. Very expensive project na inahitaji muda kufika maturity au ipate class mpya itakayotumia mafunzo yaliyotokana na class hii. Hapo itakuwa destroyer moja hatari sana duniani. Marekani huwa hawaogopi kitu kipya na kigumu, ndio maana wana silaha nyingi sana zinazoishia kwenye demonstration na testing of concept ili wapate kitu kizuri zaidi. Wanapenda kuanzia 0 kwenda 1, Mchina anasubiri mfanye research mjue kipi kinafaa zaidi aje aige. Mrusi ana maisha yake tofauti kabisa
 
kp kipanya44 said:
Urusi ameshakuwa mdebwedo..,ndio maana Ukraine anapata ujasir wa kumchakaza mpaka kwao

Nafikiri wale waliokuwa wanauliza mara kwa mara kwamba mbona Ukraine hashambulii ndani ya urusi?? Leo watakuwa wamepata majibu mujalabu kabsa
Ikumbukwe kwamba Leo si mara ya kwanza kwa Ukraine kutembeza mkong'oto ndani ya urusi.., lakini kinachotofautisha hiki kichapo Cha Leo na vichapo vinginevyo..,ni kwamba wizara ya ulinzi ya urusi imejitokeza wazi bila kupepesa macho na kukiri mchana kweupe kwamba wamepokea kipigo Cha drone kutoka Ukraine
Hapo mwanzoni urusi haikuwai kukiri kwamba imetembezewa kichapo kwenye ardhi yake ,Bali walikuwa wanasema ni sabotage japo ukweli walikuwa wanaujua vizuri tu

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Ngoja tuendelee kutazama boss. Kama Urusi imekuwa mdebwedo itajulikana tu.
 
T14 Armata said:
Zumwalt ni somehow failed concept. Vert expensive project na inahitaji muda kufika maturity au ipate class mpya itakayotumia mafunzo yaliyotokana na class hii. Hapo itakuwa destroyer moja hatari sana duniani. Marekani huwa hawaogopi kitu kipya na kigumu, ndio maana wana silaha nyingi sana zinazoishia kwenye demonstration na testing of concept ili wapate kitu kizuri zaidi. Wanapenda kuanzia 0 kwenda 1, Mchina anasubiri mfanye research mjue kipi kinafaa zaidi aje aige. Mrusi ana maisha yake tofauti kabisa
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Ina maana ukiambiwa utaje best destroyer kwa sasa utaitaja Arleigh Burke class mbele ya hiyo Zumwalt? Au Daring class (UK)
 
triga said:
Ni kujitoa akili tu lakini deep down wanajua Russia ni level zingine. Hakuna taifa duniani lenye nguvu za kijeshi kama urusi. Halipo! Russia ni nchi ya tano kwa military budget lakini ni nchi ya pili kwa nguvu za kijeshi. According to west.

Budget ya urusi kijeshi haifiki hata 10% ya ile ya US na nguvu zake ndio hizi ambazo Biden anaihutubia dunia waziwazi akiwaambia direct confrontation btn NATO and Russia is something to avoid strongly! Keypoint "NATO vs Russia" sio US ni NATO!!!

Vipi siku russia akiwa na budget hata ya 25% ya hiyo ya US!? Je US angekuwa na budget ya 60b usd per yr angekuwa hapo alipo!?

Mpka ss hv Ukraine amepewa misaada ya zaidi ya bilioni 90 euro kutoka mataifa zaidi ya 40 duniani. Na bado mingine inakuja. Hakuna mtu/nchi iliyowahi kupewa misaada mingi namna hii duniani.

Russia ni dude kuuubwa
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Mkuu waambie kabisa huo msaada wa Zaid ya 90 Euro Billions, Ni sawa na Tsh Ngapi za Kitanzania na nibudget ya TZ ya miaka Mingap! ?
 
triga said:
Ni kujitoa akili tu lakini deep down wanajua Russia ni level zingine. Hakuna taifa duniani lenye nguvu za kijeshi kama urusi. Halipo! Russia ni nchi ya tano kwa military budget lakini ni nchi ya pili kwa nguvu za kijeshi. According to west.

Budget ya urusi kijeshi haifiki hata 10% ya ile ya US na nguvu zake ndio hizi ambazo Biden anaihutubia dunia waziwazi akiwaambia direct confrontation btn NATO and Russia is something to avoid strongly! Keypoint "NATO vs Russia" sio US ni NATO!!!

Vipi siku russia akiwa na budget hata ya 25% ya hiyo ya US!? Je US angekuwa na budget ya 60b usd per yr angekuwa hapo alipo!?

Mpka ss hv Ukraine amepewa misaada ya zaidi ya bilioni 90 euro kutoka mataifa zaidi ya 40 duniani. Na bado mingine inakuja. Hakuna mtu/nchi iliyowahi kupewa misaada mingi namna hii duniani.

Russia ni dude kuuubwa
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Russia kinachomfanya awe mbabe ni hizo silaha zake za manyuklia tu. Hakuna kitu kingine!
 
kp kipanya44 said:
Russia alifikiri akilipua miundombinu ya umeme Ukraine wataogopa na kurudi nyuma.., lakini ndo kwanza vijana wanazidi kuwa wa moto..,na Leo hii wamesema wazi kwamba Sasa kichapo kitatembezwa mpaka Moscow

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Kibabu Biden bhana hafai yule mzee.

Katoa ruksa
 
Venus Star said:
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[emoji298]️The US government has developed a special plan for accelerated training of the Ukrainian military to work on Patriot systems, - Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro Kuleba.

According to him, the Patriot battery will be on combat duty in Ukraine in less than six months.
 
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[emoji298]️ Russians have appointed a new commander of the western military district, the Chief Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine reports.

Colonel-General Sergei Kuzovlev was dismissed from the post of commander of the Western Military District.

He had only been in this post for a month.

The Western Military District was headed by Lieutenant General Yevgeny Nikiforov. He became the fourth commander of the Western Military District since the beginning of the full-scale invasion.
 
HIMARS said:
Ukraine inatakiwa ifanye attack maeneo 10 ndani ya Russia kwa siku 1 hiyo ndo itasababisha Russia ajitambue.

Yaani akipiga vituo vya umeme na vyake vipigwe.
Akifanya hivyo Russia lazima atakaa mezani na kuiheshimu Ukraine

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Mmmmh hasira za haya mataifa maguvu makubwa hua ni mbaya sn.

Yaani Ukraine km atafanya hivo tunaweza kushuhudia matumizi ya manyuklia
 
[emoji298]️ Nord Stream AG has started to estimate the cost of repair of blown gas pipelines system "North Stream", writes The New York Times concerning sources. The estimated cost of the work is at least $500 million
 
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