Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Kakijana]

Mkuu kwa ujumla mimi pia huwa naipenda Urusi, maana inanikumbusha those-days wakati ule tunasoma, wale wenzetu waliokwenda Urusi wakimaliza elimu yao huko wanarudi na vyeti na mke wakirusi, na hivyo vyeti havikuaminika sana. Sisi tunarudi na magari lakini yanaishia State Motor Corporation ila kama ni kwa manufaa ya Umaa unapeta nayo.
Mtu ambaye amenifanya nipunguze upenzi wangu kwa Urusi kama Nchi ni Putin. Putin baada ya kuupata ukuu wa Nchi, tamaa ikamteka. Alikuwa Rais wa Urusi for 10 years, akaondolewa kwa mujibu wa Katiba yao; akaona isiwe taabu akaondoka na Urais akampachika chawa wake, naye chawa akamtunuku Putin kuwa Uwaziri Mkuu. Baada ya miaka 10 tena kwisha chawa wa Putin akafanya kila mbinu na akarudisha tena kuwa Rais wa Urusi. Leo Urusi ni Putin naPutin ni Urusi.
Aidha Putin aliutangazia ulimwengu kuwa ataipiga UKRAINE ndani ya wiki moja na "yeyote atakaye ingilia mpango huo naye atapigwa kichapo cha mbwa koko. Leo tumeanza mwaka 2 hatuoni kipigo cha mbwa koko. Aidha Putin ananikumbusha pia mwaka 1979 wakati Baba wa Taifa alipolihutubia TAIFA kwamba tutampiga nduli Iddi Amin Dada, pamoja na mambo mengine Alisema, "sababu ya kumpiga tunayo, nia ya kumpiga tunaya na uwezo wa kumpiga tunao" Kweli tukaingia kazini tukamtandika kwelikweli, tena kile cha mbwa koko haswa hadi akahama nchi yake, nasi tukarudi makwetu salama salimi. Lakini baada ya muda mchache, baadhi ya watu GTs wakagundua kuwa uwezo wetu haukukomaa sawasawa.. Hii ya Putin kujiona "uwezo anao na yeyote atakaye ingilia atapata kisago cha mbwa koko" ndio picha watakayoipata Warusi. MUDA UTAONGEA

Ni kweli uyasemayo mkuu, kwa maelezo haya umekula chumvi[emoji122]
Matajiri wa USA na UK njia wanayoweza kumshinda Putin wa Moscow ni yaa kutumia Nuke, naamini hivo..
Ila kama ni kushindana pale Ukrain bas naamin moscow wana advantage zaidi, na wakiendelea hivihivi usahawish wa US utashuka sana na amani ya Asia itakua kubwa hakutakua na chokochoko nyingi dunian km ilivyo sasa..
Mashinikizo ya Matajiri wa US ndio chanzo cha silaha za maangamizi zinazoundwa kwa wingi duniani, maana nikiwaza UAV ya US juzi huko Crimea na Puto la Uchina wiki kadhaa zilizopta huko US pamoja na comments za wasemaji wa Matajiri wa USA kuhusu kukilipua kiwanda cha semiconductors huko Taiwan endapo Uchina atajaribu kuingia Taiwan kinguvu nashindwa kuelewa USA akili zake ni za kukaa au ni za kusimama.
Kama anawashinikiza wanademokrasia wenzie weupe kama wao Ulaya yote wanamuogopa, je sisi Waafrika tutakua na say yoyote ndani ya nchi zetu? Kama hapa kwetu Zanzibar, wakitaka kutuvuruga ni wanaweza kusema tuu wanai-recognise ZNZ kama taifa huru..tuna uwezo wa kuwakatalia?

 

[Kakijana]

Wakuu, kwa mtu mwenye uelewa wa haya mambo, inakuaje mafuta ya Jet yanaangusha drone? Kuna Mechanism gani hapa inatumika, anayejua atoe maarifa kidogo.

Kama ni kweli walimwagia mafuta kwenye drone means walikua wanalenga kuzuia camera za drone kuona kwa usahihi na propela za drone kutokufanya kazi vizuri ili kale ka-Su kakipita kasi kiupandeupande upepo wake lazma ukayumbishe...na operator hawez kukazuia maana kanakua kama puto lililokatika kamba

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Lend lease

Lend-Lease, formally the Lend-Lease Act and introduced as An Act to Promote the Defense of the United States (Pub. L. 77–11, H.R. 1776, 55 Stat. 31, enacted March 11, 1941),[1] was a policy under which the United States supplied the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, France, China, and other Allied nationswith food, oil, and materiel between 1941 and 1945. The aid was given for free on the basis that such help was essential for the defense of the United States.


President Roosevelt signs the Lend-Lease bill to give aid to Britain and China (March 1941).

House of Representatives bill # 1776, p.1
The Lend-Lease Act was signed into law on March 11, 1941, and ended on September 20, 1945. A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $719 billion in 2021) worth of supplies was shipped, or 17% of the total war expenditures of the U.S.[2] In all, $31.4 billion went to the United Kingdom, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France, $1.6 billion to China, and the remaining $2.6 billion to other Allies. Roosevelt's top foreign policy advisor Harry Hopkins had effective control over Lend-Lease, making sure it was in alignment with Roosevelt's foreign policy goals.[3]

Materiel delivered under the act was supplied at no cost, to be used until returned or destroyed. In practice, most equipment was destroyed, although some hardware (such as ships) was returned after the war. Supplies that arrived after the termination date were sold to the United Kingdom at a large discount for £1.075 billion, using long-term loans from the United States, which were finally repaid in 2006. Similarly, the Soviet Union repaid $722 million in 1971, with the remainder of the debt written off.

Reverse Lend-Lease to the United States totalled $7.8 billion. Of this, $6.8 billion came from the British and the Commonwealth. Canada also aided the United Kingdom and other Allies with the Billion Dollar Gift and Mutual Aidtotalling $3.4 billion in supplies and services (equivalent to $61 billion in 2020) .[4][5]

Lend-Lease effectively ended the United States' pretense of neutrality which had been enshrined in the Neutrality Acts of the 1930s. It was a decisive step away from non-interventionist policy and toward open support for the Allies. Lend-Lease's precise significance to Allied victory in WW2 is debated. However, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev and Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov both stated that Lend-Lease enabled the Soviet Union to defeat Germany on the Eastern Front.

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US ndio mfadhili muhimu wa hii dunia kwa miongo mingi.

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Nadhani sababu inajulikana,na sababu yenyewe ni hii hapa.
Kutoka humohumo kwenye maandishi Yako.

The aid was given for free on the basis that such help was essential for the defense of the United States.

 

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Sipati picha jana Russia ndo ingekua imefanyiwa vile na US aisee huu uzi leo watu wangefufuka kujazana humu[emoji1][emoji1]

Kama ambavyo walifufuka ile siku Biden alipovisit kyiv

 

[Bome-e]

Russian soldiers told they could be 'shot on the spot' if they don't cooperate - reports

Intercepted Russian radio conversations suggest some troops are being forced into combat under the threat of being shot by their own side, according to international intelligence community InformNapalm.

In one intercepted conversation, a commander orders a group of Russian soldiers to go on the offensive - or risk being shot from behind.

"An order from above: those who do not go on the offensive will be shot on the spot... Without any criticism, the two of us will be shot if we don't do everything [they want]. Pass it on; if they don't go ahead, the whole group will be in trouble," the commander reportedly said.

This appears to be the first evidence of such tactics from Russian forces.

Sky News

Ila wale Ukrainians soldiers waliopigwa risasi na sniper wa ukraine baada ya kutaka kujisalimisha Kwa Russia,hao sky news wanajifanya hawajaona na video ipo ila hapa wanakuja na maneno matupu!
Hizi media ni full propaganda!

 

[F mkamilo]

Wakuu, kwa mtu mwenye uelewa wa haya mambo, inakuaje mafuta ya Jet yanaangusha drone? Kuna Mechanism gani hapa inatumika, anayejua atoe maarifa kidogo.

Na nyongeza ya swali hapa, mafuta wamespray vipi?

Kwani ipo hiyo option ya kumwaga mafuta wakati chombo kiko angani?

Au inakuaje yani, angalau wadau mtueleweshe tupate mwanga juu ya hili tukio.
Maana Rusia naona wanatufanyia mengi yasioyozoeleka kuonekana (Unexpected things).

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Naomba iyo video ambayo inaonesha Putin akitangaziaa umma ataipiga Ukraine kwa week moja. Kama huna sema Mimi ni kilaza Pro max.

Huyo Pro Nato kavamia uzi, wadau mmempiga spana nadhani siku nyingine atatumia akili kucomment kwenye uzi huu na sio kutumia hisia.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Na nyongeza ya swali hapa, mafuta wamespray vipi?

Kwani ipo hiyo option ya kumwaga mafuta wakati chombo kiko angani?

Au inakuaje yani, angalau wadau mtueleweshe tupate mwanga juu ya hili tukio.
Maana Rusia naona wanatufanyia mengi yasioyozoeleka kuonekana (Unexpected things).

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Kuna ndege za kivita zimetengenezwa kuweza kuiongezea mafuta ndege nyingine ikiwa angani inasafiri.
Nadhani ndege hiyo ilikua na uwezo huo,lakini wao wakaitumia kiifanyia utundu ndege ya Marekani.
Inatoa mrija mrefu au mpira mrefu kama mpira ulio kwenye magari ya mafuta na kwenda kujichomeka kwenye tundu la mafuta la ndege nyingine.
Bomba linalotaka kufanana na Bomba la maji la gari la zimamoto.
Hii IPO kwa baadhi ya ndege za wakubwa hawa.usa Russia ,china UK,fr,German n.k

 

[Bome-e]

Na nyongeza ya swali hapa, mafuta wamespray vipi?

Kwani ipo hiyo option ya kumwaga mafuta wakati chombo kiko angani?

Au inakuaje yani, angalau wadau mtueleweshe tupate mwanga juu ya hili tukio.
Maana Rusia naona wanatufanyia mengi yasioyozoeleka kuonekana (Unexpected things).

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Hiyo ya kudump oil ni kitu cha kawaida,hata hizi ndege za abiria Zina option hiyo iwapo hitilafu ikitokea!Kuna ndege Moja hivi ya abairi(nimeisahau jina) ilikufa ingine zote mbili!Ili ndege isiwe nzito na waweze kufika nearest airport,ilibidi wamwage mafuta yote kutoka kwenye mbawa ambazo ndio Huwa zinakuwa na tanks za kubeba mafuta!
So hilo jambo si geni,ila kujua lengo la kuimwagia mafuta hiyo drone,ngoja tusubiri wajuvi wa mambo!

 

[Bome-e]

Kuna ndege za kivita zimetengenezwa kuweza kuiongezea ndege nyingine ikiwa angani inasafiri.
Nadhani ndege hiyo ilikua na uwezo huo,lakini wao wakaitumia kiifanyia utundu ndege ya Marekani.
Inatoa mrija mrefu au mpira mrefu kama mpira ulio kwenye magari ya mafuta na kwenda kujichomeka kwenye tundu la mafuta la ndege nyingine.
Bomba linalotaka kufanana na Bomba la maji la gari la zimamoto.
Hii IPO kwa baadhi ya ndege za wakubwa hawa.usa Russia ,china UK,fr,German n.k

Mkuu hata commercial airlines Zinaweza kudump mafuta,hii imetokea mara nyingi hasa kwenye dharura pale engines zinapoharibika ndege ikiwa angani!
Hii inapunguza uzito wa ndege na kuifanya kwenda umbali mrefu bila engine power!
Kuna kitu kinaitwa "crash landing",hii ni kutua Kwa dharura kutokana na hitilafu kwenye ndege!
Sasa pale mapilot wanapoona Kuna hatari ya moto during "crash landing" basi wanaamua kudump mafuta!

 

[Proved]

Nadhani sababu inajulikana,na sababu yenyewe ni hii hapa.
Kutoka humohumo kwenye maandishi Yako.

The aid was given for free on the basis that such help was essential for the defense of the United States.

Urusi aliwahi kuwapa kina nani bure msaada kama huo ?...

Huo msaada ulimuokoa Supa-pawa wa kuchora Ussr aliyekuwa anapumulia mashine.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Mkuu hata commercial airlines Zinaweza kudump mafuta,hii imetokea mara nyingi hasa kwenye dharura pale engines zinapoharibika ndege ikiwa angani!
Hii inapunguza uzito wa ndege na kuifanya kwenda umbali mrefu bila engine power!
Kuna kitu kinaitwa "crash landing",hii ni kutua Kwa dharura kutokana na hitilafu kwenye ndege!
Sasa pale mapilot wanapoona Kuna hatari ya moto during "crash landing" basi wanaamua kudump mafuta!

Ok nashukuru sana mdau,nilikua sijui kama na ndege za kiraia Zina uwezo huo.
Asante comrade.

 

[Risen man]

Wakuu, kwa mtu mwenye uelewa wa haya mambo, inakuaje mafuta ya Jet yanaangusha drone? Kuna Mechanism gani hapa inatumika, anayejua atoe maarifa kidogo.

Kilichoangusha ndege sio hayo mafuta bali baada ya kuimwagia wese, moja ya ndege ya Urusi ilienda kujigusishia kwenye pangaboy za hiyo drone ndipo pangaboy za hiyo drone zikasambaratika drone ikakosa mwelekeo ikadondoka.
Drone yenyewe sio ndogo sababu inaweza kubeba mabomu 8 ya hatari. Wewe fikiria mbawa zake tu zina urefu wa futi 65

 

[Proved]

Ila wale Ukrainians soldiers waliopigwa risasi na sniper wa ukraine baada ya kutaka kujisalimisha Kwa Russia,hao sky news wanajifanya hawajaona na video ipo ila hapa wanakuja na maneno matupu!
Hizi media ni full propaganda!

Hizo video hata wewe unaweza kutengeneza sio vyanzo vya kuaminika.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Urusi aliwahi kuwapa kina nani bure msaada kama huo ?

Vietnam,Korean war,Africn when struggling for Independence,some countries of latin or south America,for example Cuba and Nicaragua etc.

 

[BUSH BIN LADEN]

Wakuu, kwa mtu mwenye uelewa wa haya mambo, inakuaje mafuta ya Jet yanaangusha drone? Kuna Mechanism gani hapa inatumika, anayejua atoe maarifa kidogo.

Nimesoma Sky News wao wanadai ile drone ni ya upelelezi na moja ya features ilizo nazo za upelelezi ni camera so Su-27 ziliimwagia mafuta kwa lengo la kufubaza hizi kamera so hazingeweza kupiga picha sasa sijui lengo lilitimia au laa Su-27 ya pili ikatokea chini yake ikaigonga propeller so nadhani hili likapelekea drone kuanza kuelea tu angani operator wa drone ndo wakai crush land baharini.
Russia kwa upande wao wanadai drone ilikuwa kwenye eneo lao ambalo wana exercise no fly zone ila hawasemi kwamba wameiangusha. Ni kama wanakubali kwamba wameifanyia hizo fitna ila hawajaingusha.

 

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Ni kweli uyasemayo mkuu, kwa maelezo haya umekula chumvi[emoji122]
Matajiri wa USA na UK njia wanayoweza kumshinda Putin wa Moscow ni yaa kutumia Nuke, naamini hivo..
Ila kama ni kushindana pale Ukrain bas naamin moscow wana advantage zaidi, na wakiendelea hivihivi usahawish wa US utashuka sana na amani ya Asia itakua kubwa hakutakua na chokochoko nyingi dunian km ilivyo sasa..
Mashinikizo ya Matajiri wa US ndio chanzo cha silaha za maangamizi zinazoundwa kwa wingi duniani, maana nikiwaza UAV ya US juzi huko Crimea na Puto la Uchina wiki kadhaa zilizopta huko US pamoja na comments za wasemaji wa Matajiri wa USA kuhusu kukilipua kiwanda cha semiconductors huko Taiwan endapo Uchina atajaribu kuingia Taiwan kinguvu nashindwa kuelewa USA akili zake ni za kukaa au ni za kusimama.
Kama anawashinikiza wanademokrasia wenzie weupe kama wao Ulaya yote wanamuogopa, je sisi Waafrika tutakua na say yoyote ndani ya nchi zetu? Kama hapa kwetu Zanzibar, wakitaka kutuvuruga ni wanaweza kusema tuu wanai-recognise ZNZ kama taifa huru..tuna uwezo wa kuwakatalia?

Yani mfano wa Zanzibar ni mzuri sana kuelekeza vilaza. Mfano Zanzibar kule kuna ndugu zetu wengi wa Tanzania bara wanafanya maisha kule, je ikitokea wapemba na waunguja wameanza kuwaua tu kwa chuki kwa kuwa asili yao sio kule Tanzania inabidi tukae kimya sababu Zanzibar ni nchi huru? Mbaya zaidi Zanzibar ianze ku side na nchi mojawapo yenye ushawishi kama China ianze kuwapa silaha ili waukatae Muungano je, Tanzania itatakiwa ikae kimya tu hata kama inahatarishiwa usalama na Zanzibar?

 

[mwayena]

Mkuu kwenye issue kama hizi huwa zina projections, wewe kama unaona ni uongo tupe projections zake.

Jibu swali, unaanza kugeuza maneno wewe ndo unauliza tena?🤣🤣🤣

 

[Extrovert]

Nimesoma Sky News wao wanadai ile drone ni ya upelelezi na moja ya features ilizo nazo za upelelezi ni camera so Su-27 ziliimwagia mafuta kwa lengo la kufubaza hizi kamera so hazingeweza kupiga picha sasa sijui lengo lilitimia au laa Su-27 ya pili ikatokea chini yake ikaigonga propeller so nadhani hili likapelekea drone kuanza kuelea tu angani operator wa drone ndo wakai crush land baharini.
Russia kwa upande wao wanadai drone ilikuwa kwenye eneo lao ambalo wana exercise no fly zone ila hawasemi kwamba wameiangusha. Ni kama wanakubali kwamba wameifanyia hizo fitna ila hawajaingusha.

Kipigi hicho ni majibu ya Nord Stream bombing 🤣🤣🤣!
Wameeiingiza Urusi hasara ya almost 1.2 Trillion za kitanzania katika marekebisho tu ya damage.

Wao ki drone cha $16M kama 35 Billions wanataka kuifanya big deal sio. UN wanajifanya hawaoni kama US kafanya ushenzi ku bomb Nord Stream wanambwela mbwela tu.

 

[Bome-e]

Hizo video hata wewe unaweza kutengeneza sio vyanzo vya kuaminika.

Kama video inaweza kutengenezwa,sauti ndio haiwezi kutengenezwa?