Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

kp kipanya44 said:
Hiyo marinka imekuwa na battle siku zote,Wala hakuna asiyejua Hilo,

Swali hambalo unaendelea kulikwepa ni kwamba baada ya urusi kupata udhibiti kamili wa bakhumut wameelekea sehemu gani?
Au vita imesimama[emoji1787]

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Vita ipo kwenye mji mdogo wa Inanivske.wakitoka hapo wanaelekea mji wa chasov.

Wagner wamepewa kazi ya kwenda kuchukua mji wa Seversk
 
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Venus Star said:
We jamaa unashida sana. Unadhani historia ya Urusi imeandikwa kwenye Wikipedia pekee.

Kumbuka wengine tumekaa huko Urusi miaka mingi na tumesoma huko na kuijua historia yao. Ndio maana nakushangaa unapotuletea Kiongozi wa kabila.

Je umamuongelea huyo mtemi unajua fika kabisa huyo alikuwa kiongozi chini ya papa John xv.

Unamfahamu mke wake Oda von Haldensleben huyo alikuwa mjerumani. Hivi unalielewa hilo?

Unaposema Rus na urusi ni tofauti unanishangaza sana.
Yaani ungesoma kidogo expansion ya Mongols na uhusiano na Rus hapo ungenielewa vizuri.

Hapo kwenye rangi ya light blue ndio Poland ilivyokuwa.

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Mkuu unachekesha. Unaleta tena ramani ambayo huelewi ukidai sehemu ya buluu ni "Poland".
Hapana, sehemu hiyo haionyeshi Poland.
Poland ni eneo la dola lililoanzishwa na kupanushwa na mtemi Mieszko I.
Miji yote (nukta kubwa nyeusi) ni miji na ngome zake, kuanzia Przemysl na Krakow kwenye kusini hadi Wolin na Gdansk kwenye kazkazini.
Mtoto wake Boleslaw alichuua cheo cha mfalme.
Unajaribu ubishi kuhusu mada ambayo huelewi, tena mada ambayo haisaidii chochote kuhusu maswali tunayojadili hapa.
Inaonekana unasikia haja ya kuonyesha "ukuu wa Urusi" tangu milele - ambayo kwanza si muhimu pili haiwezekani kwa sababu Urusi kama taifa ilitokea karne baada ya Poland. Nitajibu chini kwa nini "Rus" si "Urusi".
 
Is_haq91 said:
We am

We amini ivo unavyoamini maana nothing makes sense kwa haya unayoamini, Urusi anachinjwa kila siku kwenye mia sita average mia tano kwa mnavyotuaminisha no video no evidence ila maeneo yenu yanachukuliwa kila siku. Kwenu nyinyi hizi sense zenu kwetu sisi ni no sense.
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Mkuu kwanza sina maeneo yanayochukuliwa na mtu yeyote. Ukimaanisha Ukraine na Urusi, nimeona kwamba Jeshi la Urusi imefaulu tena kuchukua sentimita kadhaa huko Bakhmut baada ya kupoteza askari maelfu kwa miezi mingi.
Kasi ya ajabu.
 
Driver proffesional said:
yani kweli wewe ni chizi sasa kama unajua vita vinaendelea mariinka alafu unasema vimesimama si upunguwani huo
kifupi umeshindwa kutaja wapo sehem gani hapo bakhmut upinde wenzio
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Wewe ndiye unaonekana tahahila,na sidhani kama itatokea huo upumbavu ukutoke kwa staili hii

Kuanzia Sasa nakupuuza maana nimekuona hamnazo kabisa [emoji1787]

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[emoji298]Russian forces have committed 88,517 war crimes and crimes of aggression in Ukraine since the start of Russia’s all-out war, Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s Office reported on May 21.

Ukrainian law enforcement agencies also said that Russia’s war against Ukraine has killed at least 482 children and wounded at least 981 since Feb. 24, 2022.

Learn more: Prosecutor General’s Office records over 88,500 Russian war crimes, crimes of aggression in Ukraine

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Venus Star said:
Unaposema Rus na urusi ni tofauti unanishangaza sana.
Yaani ungesoma kidogo expansion ya Mongols na uhusiano na Rus hapo ungenielewa vizuri.
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Mkuu ni vizuri sana ukishangaa ukiwa tayari kujifunza. Ndiyo, "Rus ya Kyiv" (Kievan Rus) na "Urusi" (Russia) ni vitu viwili tofauti katika historia.
Rus ni hao watu kutoka Uswidi waliofanya biashara na kuanzisha utawala kati ya Bahari Baltiki na Bahari Nyeusi. Walianzisha dola la Kyiv wakati mtemi wao aliamua kujiunga na Ukristo wa Kiorthodoksi akiamua kushikamana na Milki ya Bizanti (Roma ya Mashariki). Hii ilitokea mnamo mwaka 998 BK.
Soma: "One of the earliest written sources mentioning the people called Rus' (as Rhos) dates to 839 in the Annales Bertiniani. This chronicle identifies them as a Germanic tribe called the Swedes. According to the Kievan Rus' Primary Chronicle, compiled in about 1113, the Rus' were a group of Varangians, Norsemen who had relocated somewhere from the Baltic region (literally "from beyond the sea"), first to Northeastern Europe, then to the south where they created the medieval Kievan state" (Names of Rus', Russia and Ruthenia)

Urusi (Russia) ilitokea baada ya kuporomoka na kkugwiwa kwa Rus ya Kyiv. Kutoka sehemu mojawapo iliyoitwa Utemi wa Vladimir-Suzdal, ilitokea tena sehemu ndogo ambayo ilikuwa Utemi wa Moscow. Utemi huo uliendelea kuwa chanzo cha Urusi (Rossiya)
The modern name of Russia (Rossija) came into use in the 15th century
 
umshana said:
Mkuu kwanza sina maeneo yanayochukuliwa na mtu yeyote. Ukimaanisha Ukraine na Urusi, nimeona kwamba Jeshi la Urusi imefaulu tena kuchukua sentimita kadhaa huko Bakhmut baada ya kupoteza askari maelfu kwa miezi mingi.
Kasi ya ajabu.
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[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3][emoji3] maelfu wamepotea lakini eneo limechukuliwa sasa naomba nikuulize warusi wamekufa wengi sana hayo maeneo yamechukuliwa na mizimu au?
 
umshana said:
Mkuu unachekesha. Unaleta tena ramani ambayo huelewi ukidai sehemu ya buluu ni "Poland".
Hapana, sehemu hiyo haionyeshi Poland.
Poland ni eneo la dola lililoanzishwa na kupanushwa na mtemi Mieszko I.
Miji yote (nukta kubwa nyeusi) ni miji na ngome zake, kuanzia Przemysl na Krakow kwenye kusini hadi Wolin na Gdansk kwenye kazkazini.
Mtoto wake Boleslaw alichuua cheo cha mfalme.
Unajaribu ubishi kuhusu mada ambayo huelewi, tena mada ambayo haisaidii chochote kuhusu maswali tunayojadili hapa.
Inaonekana unasikia haja ya kuonyesha "ukuu wa Urusi" tangu milele - ambayo kwanza si muhimu pili haiwezekani kwa sababu Urusi kama taifa ilitokea karne baada ya Poland. Nitajibu chini kwa nini "Rus" si "Urusi".
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Mzee unaikuza sana Poland. Kati ya tawala zilizokuwa weak huko Ulaya kwa wakati wote ni Poland.

Unapomuongelea mtemi huyo wa kwanza kwanini unaruka kuongelea wake zake wawili:-

Doubravka of Bohemia - Czech
Oda of Haldensleben - German

Hawa wanawake ndio walimfanya akawa mkristo. Na hawa ndio walianzisha utawala huo. Maana yake hao Piast wapo chini ya utumwa miaka yote.

Kwahiyo niambie sasa huyo mtemi Mieszko I wazazi wake walikuwa kabila gani?
 
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