Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Alexander Lukashenko · Dec 3, 2023

Tulipokuwa tunawaambia mlikuwa Viburi.
Russia sio Zimbabwe.
Kuna rise and falls sawa, ila Russia atabaki kuwa Superpower milele.
Meli moja, majeneral kadhaa ni nothing kwa Russia.
Hata ikitokea Putin amekufa saiv bado Russia atabaki kuwa Superpower.
Watatetereka ila watarudi, its who they are !!.
Hiyo Spirit ipo kwenye damu yao !!!.

BUSH BIN LADEN · Dec 3, 2023

ikisimama panda said:
Kwa wale ambao hamjasoma hii, it's a must-read!

Najisikia kuwahurumia Ukraine, Zelensky kwakweli amejitahidi sana kuharibu nchi yake kwa mikono yake mwenyewe.

Kilichoandikwa kwenye hiyo article watu wote wanajeshi ama wenye background ya mambo ya ulinzi walionya mwanzo kabisa kabla hata counteroffensive haijaanza kuwa hakuna namna inaweza kufanikiwa sasa ndio kilichotokea.

Hata rais wa Czech, Petr Pavel ambae ni mwanajeshi mstaafu aliwasihi sana wasifanye counteroffensive kwakua tu wanashinikizwa na West, aliwambia hasara watakayopata in men na vifaa hawatakuja ku recover kamwe.

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Hata Victor Orban aliwatahadharisha mapema kabisa akawaambia always jeshi flani linapokuwa kwenye defense anaefanya offense ndo anapoteza watu na vifaa sana labda kama anae offense awe na watu wengi na vifaa sawa au zaidi ya anae defense kitu ambacho hakikuwa hivo kwa Ukraine. Russia tayari alikuwa kwenye defense ndo maana Ukraine kaambulia kukomboa vijiji viwili Bakhmut na kimoja Zaporzhia. Navyo viko mbali sana ile Surovikin defense line

ITR · Dec 3, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Ukraine haina Navy kabisa kabisa, almost haina fighter jets na haina silaha nyingi sana za muhimu vitani.
Marekani hajaamua kuwa serious kivile kama alivyokuwa kwenye WW2 alivyotoa war materiel kwa USSR dhidi ya Nazi Germany. Msaada wa silaha chache hauwezi kukufanya useme Ukraine imekuwa na nguvu, mafunzo bila silaha ndio nini sasa hao NATO wakifanya mafunzo huwa hawanunui silaha za kutosha?

Ukraine hailingani wala haikaribii kulingana na NATO. Tazama hata drills zao zinavyokuwa structured na vitu gani vinahusishwa. Kupata mafunzo hata Kenya hapo wana trainers wa Marekani na Uingereza wanashinda nao permanently based kambi Nanyuki ila Kenya haiwezi kuwa kama wao.

NATO ikufundishe uwe kama wao wakati huna ndege zao, huna vifaru vyao, huna Navy, huna artillery zao hata standard mm yako ni 122mm na chache 152mm wakati yao ni 155mm. Hata rifles zako ni cartridges tofauti na zao.

Ya kwamba silaha zenye thamani zaidi ya $200 bilion, msaada wa kuweka vikwazo vya kuusambaratisha uchumi wa Urusi, kutoa msaada ya picha za satalaiti ya mienendo ya wanajeshi wa Urusi huo ni msaada mdogo hivi ww jamaa una akili kweli?

BUSH BIN LADEN · Dec 3, 2023

lee Vladimir cleef said:
Na taarifa mpya ni kwamba Marekani wameiomba Ukraine irudishe vifaru vyo vya Abraham virudi USA.🤣🤣🤣🤣kwa hofu eti vitadakwa na Urusi.

Naomba link ya hii taarifa

ITR · Dec 3, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Urusi haina ubavu wa kupigana na Marekani, achana na NATO nzima. Hata China haiwezi pigwa na Urusi hii.
Na hivi kwani hujui maana ya msaada?

Kwahiyo kwakuwa Marekani inasaidia bajeti ya Tanzania kupitia USAID, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, World Vision na mashirika mengine basi tunasema na Marekani ni maskini. Sababu Tanzania inasaidiwa na Marekani ila bado ni maskini.
Hapa utakuja kusema kwakuwa Tanzania imeshindwa kuondokana na umaskini kwa misaada ya Marekani basi na Marekani nayo ni maskini.

Huwezi kutaja vita ya NATO bila air dominance, hapo ni kujadili uchumi wa Tanzania bila kuitaja Dar es Salaam.

Hapo Ukraine hamna Navy, NATO gani haitumii Navy vitani?
NATO gani haitumii aircraft carriers za Nimitz class, Ford class, Queen Elizabeth class, hakuna Charles de Gaulle, hakuna Cavour. Na bado hakuna amphibious ships kama Juan Carlos na Mistral.

NATO gani iko Ukraine wakati hamna submarines kama Virginia class, Los Angeles class, hakuna Barracuda class, Le Triomphat class, hakuna Astute wala Trafalgar.

NATO haina stealth fighters, haina bombers, tankers, airlifters. NATO nzima haina paratroopers?

Hayo yote nimetaja Ukraine haina na bado Russia anasuasua. Sasa imagine Russia hii ingekutana na hata Uturuki si hali ingekuwa mbaya zaidi.

Urusi ni jeshi la mtu na mtu, kila vita wanayoenda duniani huwa wanapoteza wanajeshi wengi. Kusema Urusi inapigana na NATO ni vichekesho. NATO hawawezi pigana na jeshi halijui hata kufanya SEAD na halijui kumiliki anga alafu likasalimika.

Yani msaada wa vigari 20 vya HIMARS vinavyowaliza ndio vinafanya mdai NATO iko Ukraine. Sasa Marekani ikileta HIMARS zake zaidi ya 420 zilizokuwepo kabla ya vita si mtasema mwisho wa dunia umefika. Silaha zote pale Ukraine sio hata 5% ya silaha za NATO.

Marekani mwenye hivyo vyote ulivyo vitaja mbona ilipigwa kipigo kibaya sana na Vietnam iliyo kuwa masikini kuliko hata Tz?
Au Israel mwenye hivyo vyote mbona ni mwezi wa pili yupo gaza anajinyea nyea dhidi ya wana dhidi ya wanamgambo wenye silaha za kienyeji?

BUSH BIN LADEN · Dec 3, 2023

Proved said:
Misaada iliyopata Ukraine mingi ilikuwa ya kuweza kujilinda tu hii ya kufanya offensive inakuja kwa kusuasua tu na kwa uchache.

Hizo himmars alizopewa zipo 20 tu, Atacms zimekuja kwa kuchelewa sana, vifaru pia vimekuja vichache tena kwa kuchelewa sana (tena havijafika hata 300+), kumbuka pia hairuhusiwi kutumia hizo silaha kushambulia ndani ya Urusi.

Ukraine imejitahidi mno mpaka sasa kwanza kuzuia Kyiv isianguke mwaka 2022 na mpaka sasa kufanya Vita iendelee.

Unahisi kwanini hawataki kumpa Ukraine siraha kali na za kisasa za offense

ITR · Dec 3, 2023

Proved said:
Kabla ya offensive ya Ukraine kuanza, Western military pundits walitabiri kutakuwa na 'break through' kubwa sana kwa Ukraine hasa ukizingatia

performance mbaya ya jeshi la Urusi hapo awali.

Silaha za kimagharibi hasa vifaru na magari ya kivita kama Bradley zilizofikia 200+ yaliyopelekwa Ukraine (japo bado ni chache sana)

Idadi kubwa ya askari wa Ukraine waliopewa mafunzo na majeshi ya magharibi....

Ila inaonekana hawa wachambuzi wa lkimagharibi waliidharau mno Urusi kupindukia ila ni kama vile Warusi walijifunza makosa ya awali na kujipanga tena.

Urusi haikuonesha performance mbaya bali kilicho tokea ni kuonesha ya kuwa vita sio move za akina Rambo, vita sio kitu rahisi kama mnavyo fikiri ukitaka kulijua hilo angalia kinacho endelea gaza sasa hivi kati ya jeshi lililo kuwa linasifiwa duniani kote dhidi ya wanamgambo wanao tumia silaha za kutengeneza kienyeji.

lee Vladimir cleef · Dec 3, 2023

STALIN J V said:
Tulipokuwa tunawaambia mlikuwa Viburi.
Russia sio Zimbabwe.
Kuna rise and falls sawa, ila Russia atabaki kuwa Superpower milele.
Meli moja, majeneral kadhaa ni nothing kwa Russia.
Hata ikitokea Putin amekufa saiv bado Russia atabaki kuwa Superpower.
Watatetereka ila watarudi, its who they are !!.
Hiyo Spirit ipo kwenye damu yao !!!.

Aya hii ni mkusanyiko wa point tupu,Kila neno ni point TU.

Alexander Lukashenko · Dec 3, 2023

BUSH BIN LADEN said:
Unahisi kwanini hawataki kumpa Ukraine siraha kali na za kisasa za offense

Kwa sababu Ukraine itaacha kuexist siku hiyo hiyo.....

lee Vladimir cleef · Dec 3, 2023

ITR said:
Ya kwamba silaha zenye thamani zaidi ya $200 bilion, msaada wa kuweka vikwazo vya kuusambaratisha uchumi wa Urusi, kutoa msaada ya picha za satalaiti ya mienendo ya wanajeshi wa Urusi huo ni msaada mdogo hivi ww jamaa una akili kweli?

Point kubwa sana hii.

lee Vladimir cleef · Dec 3, 2023

BUSH BIN LADEN said:
Naomba link ya hii taarifa

Ok

BUSH BIN LADEN · Dec 3, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Ukraine haina Navy kabisa kabisa, almost haina fighter jets na haina silaha nyingi sana za muhimu vitani.
Marekani hajaamua kuwa serious kivile kama alivyokuwa kwenye WW2 alivyotoa war materiel kwa USSR dhidi ya Nazi Germany. Msaada wa silaha chache hauwezi kukufanya useme Ukraine imekuwa na nguvu, mafunzo bila silaha ndio nini sasa hao NATO wakifanya mafunzo huwa hawanunui silaha za kutosha?

Ukraine hailingani wala haikaribii kulingana na NATO. Tazama hata drills zao zinavyokuwa structured na vitu gani vinahusishwa. Kupata mafunzo hata Kenya hapo wana trainers wa Marekani na Uingereza wanashinda nao permanently based kambi Nanyuki ila Kenya haiwezi kuwa kama wao.

NATO ikufundishe uwe kama wao wakati huna ndege zao, huna vifaru vyao, huna Navy, huna artillery zao hata standard mm yako ni 122mm na chache 152mm wakati yao ni 155mm. Hata rifles zako ni cartridges tofauti na zao.

Hapa ndo hua nashindwa kuelewa. Kwahiyo lengo la nato lilikuwa lipi kum support Ukraine wakati wanajua mwisho wa siku hawezi kushinda? Hesabu hapa ilikuwa ipi? Yaani bondia wako aingie kwenye ring ila umvalishe kofia ngumu asiumie kichwa huku umemfunga mikono asimshambulie adui? Bado kuna kitu hakieleweki. Kwangu naona bora wangemsaidia awage total war ikibidi na wao waingie mazima wamkarishe kabisa Urusi au ni bora wangeacha kabisa wakakubaliana na masharti ya Urusi kuliko hiki kituko walichokifanya kinacheelekea kuisha kwa Ukraine kubomoka na kuvunjika vunjika vipande

Labani og · Dec 3, 2023

MOTOCHINI said:
Bwana Zele Kisha Changanyikiwa Jamaa anamuogopa Kamanda wake mkuu VALERY ZALUZHNY
yaani unaambiwa Uchaguzi Hauta itishwa au kutangazwa mpaka bwana Zaluzhny athibitishe Kutoshiriki kwake yaani awe kama Dhamana Kama Hatagombea au kuhusika Vyovyoye vile Ndio Uchaguzi Utafanyika na Mpaka sasa Bado wanamsikilizia Kama Hatatangaza Kutoshiriki basi mapema Afukuzwe kazi kwa Skendo kubwa Yakutengeneza
Ndani ya Ukrein Wao kwa wao kinaumana

Vladimir Zelensky wants to hold elections in Ukraine, but they will not be announced until guarantees are received of the non-participation of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, the Strana publication reports, citing a source in Ukrainian political circles.

According to the source, Zelensky wanted to hold elections. “But one problem has arisen - Zaluzhny. Until it is resolved, elections will not be announced,” the source told the publication. According to him, first Zelensky’s office wants to achieve guarantees that Zaluzhny will not nominate his candidacy in possible elections.

“If such guarantees are not given, then (Zelensky’s office) will try to dismiss the commander in chief. And not just like that, but with maximum discredit,” the source emphasized. However, he pointed out that these are just plans for now, and their implementation may be influenced by the position of Western countries.

Sasa democracy inayohubiriwa na western iko wapi, [emoji23]??

kp kipanya44 · Dec 3, 2023

Wale mnaosema Ukraine kachoka soma maelezo haya;

⚡⚡U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin criticized those endorsing "an American retreat from responsibility" at the Reagan National Defense Forum, emphasizing the necessity for consistent U.S. leadership to contribute to a world that remains as safe, free, and prosperous as possible.

Austin delivered a lengthy defense of U.S. support to Ukraine in its war against Russia and Israel in its war against Hamas on Dec. 2.

"In both Israel and Ukraine, democracies are fighting ruthless foes who are out to annihilate them," Austin said. "And we will not let Hamas or Putin win. And we will not let our enemies divide or weaken us. So as we surge support into Israel, we remain focused on Ukraine. And we remain fully able to project power, to uphold our commitments, and to direct resources to multiple theaters."

Austin said that in the 21 months "into Putin's unsuccessful conquest, the Russian military has significantly weakened, thanks in large part to Ukraine's courageous troops." The achievements, he said, are also result from bipartisan U.S. leadership and the coalition of approximately 50 countries formed.

Since the full-scale Russian invasion in February 2022 the U.S. has delivered about $44 billion worth of security aid to Ukraine. As the U.S. Congress has recently failed to approve any new financial support for the wars in Ukraine and Israel and has managed to pass only a short-term budget bill, Austin emphasized that "we still urgently need bipartisan support in Congress to pass the supplemental to rush security assistance to our partners in Ukraine, Israel, and elsewhere."⚡⚡

📸: President's Office

Jacob kalokola · Dec 3, 2023

kp kipanya44 said:
Naona pro Russia wameanza michecheto Yao waliyokuwa nayo mwanzoni mwa hii vita.,nawakumbusha tu hakuna aliyetegemea hii vita ingemaliza hata wiki mbili,Mimi mwenyewe nikiwemo, nawashangaa mnapoanza kuleta ngonjera zilezile,hizi comments zenu itafika wakati nitaanza kuzifukua kama nilivyokuwa nawafukulia zile comments zenu mlizozitoa mwanzoni mwa uvamizi,nikifanya Hivyo naomba nisiitwe mkorofi!

Mmekuwa kama nyumbu hambao hawapendi kujifunza!

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Unajua maana ya kudhoofisha Taifa Kijeshi na Taifa hilo likiwa linasaidiwa na wababe wa kivita?
Je Kuna maali Urusi alitamka MUDA kuhitimisha SMO.
JE UNAJUA NGUVU ALIYOKUWA NAYO UKRAINE NA MAANDALIZI ALIYOKUWA NAYO KUISAMBARATISHA URUSI?

Jacob kalokola · Dec 3, 2023

Proved said:
Winter is coming....

Ule muda wa Urusi kushambulia miundombinu ya nishati umekaribia.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/01/politics/ukraine-russia-winter-2024/index.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwirn-S2yvKCAxXtTqQEHQFUByMQ0PADegQICxAT&usg=AOvVaw0dRyYFn2RpUlUaAviEYd8U

Ni Zamu ya Wazungu kuuana!

Nkuba25 · Dec 3, 2023

Maisha yanaenda kwa kasi sana.

Leo hii mpiga punyeto anakiri kwamba Ukraine + NATO haiwezi kuishinda Russia kwenye hii SMO.

Lakini ni mtu huyu huyu miezi 3 tu hapo nyuma alikuwa anasema kwamba Russia hawezi shinda hii SMO.

Punyeto ni noma aiseee

BUSH BIN LADEN · Dec 3, 2023

kp kipanya44 said:
Wale mnaosema Ukraine kachoka soma maelezo haya;

⚡⚡U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin criticized those endorsing "an American retreat from responsibility" at the Reagan National Defense Forum, emphasizing the necessity for consistent U.S. leadership to contribute to a world that remains as safe, free, and prosperous as possible.

Austin delivered a lengthy defense of U.S. support to Ukraine in its war against Russia and Israel in its war against Hamas on Dec. 2.

"In both Israel and Ukraine, democracies are fighting ruthless foes who are out to annihilate them," Austin said. "And we will not let Hamas or Putin win. And we will not let our enemies divide or weaken us. So as we surge support into Israel, we remain focused on Ukraine. And we remain fully able to project power, to uphold our commitments, and to direct resources to multiple theaters."

Austin said that in the 21 months "into Putin's unsuccessful conquest, the Russian military has significantly weakened, thanks in large part to Ukraine's courageous troops." The achievements, he said, are also result from bipartisan U.S. leadership and the coalition of approximately 50 countries formed.

Since the full-scale Russian invasion in February 2022 the U.S. has delivered about $44 billion worth of security aid to Ukraine. As the U.S. Congress has recently failed to approve any new financial support for the wars in Ukraine and Israel and has managed to pass only a short-term budget bill, Austin emphasized that "we still urgently need bipartisan support in Congress to pass the supplemental to rush security assistance to our partners in Ukraine, Israel, and elsewhere."⚡⚡

📸: President's Office

Ulitegemea mwanajeshi Austin aongee tofauti? Watunga sera na watoa hela ndo wafanya maamuzi bro. Kama kui support Ukraine haiko ndani ya maslahi ya watunga sera na watoa hela na ambao ndo waajiri wa Austin hata aongee vp hamna litakaloendelea Ukraine

Jacob kalokola · Dec 3, 2023

ITR said:
Ya kwamba silaha zenye thamani zaidi ya $200 bilion, msaada wa kuweka vikwazo vya kuusambaratisha uchumi wa Urusi, kutoa msaada ya picha za satalaiti ya mienendo ya wanajeshi wa Urusi huo ni msaada mdogo hivi ww jamaa una akili kweli?

Hao wako kazini wanaingiziwa vidora kwa propagandah.

A 100 · Dec 3, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Mimi nikiwa mjuaji wewe ukawa mbumbumbu ni sawa hamna shida. Kwani China haina vichwa vya nyuklia?

Urusi ateswe na Ukraine isiyo na navy aje apigane na China yenye navy kubwa zaidi ya mara mbili kuzidi Urusi. China yenye industrial production kubwa zaidi ya mara 10 kwa Urusi. China yenye uchumi mkubwa sana na population na silaha na kila kitu.

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