Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

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Tuliwambia ila hamkutaka kutusikia.URUSI akichukua ardhi basi sahau kabisa kama ilikuwa ni yako, ile kauli sasa imefutika ya kuwa(Vimeanzia Crimea na vitaishia Crimea)


NATO imeundwa sio kwa ajili ya Tanzania bali kwa ajili ya kujilinda na Urusi.

Mkuu,hiyo vita ilianzia Crimea na itaishia Crimea, huo ndio ukweli japo unauma

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[lee Vladimir cleef]

Sasa kama ivyo ndo vinasababisha kushinda vita ilikuwaje kule Vietnam na Afghanistan wakakimbia?.

Kule Syria walipeleka hayo mameri yao yakiwa full kuwapiga Islamic state(IS) ila mwisho wa siku wakachemka.pasipo msaada wa Urusi basi IS wangekuwa sehemu kubwa ya dunia.

Najua una ipenda sana USA ila ukweli ndo uwo silaha zao zimeonyesha udhaifu mkubwa uwanja wa vita

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[Fursakibao]

Kwani mkuu ni lini Ukraine alikuwa na nafasi ya kushinda. Tangu February 2022 mpaka sasa hivi November 2023 taja ni mwezi gani Ukraine alikuwa na chance ya kushinda vita.

Kinachotokea hapa sio ajabu, kilichotokea nyuma ndio ajabu Urusi nchi ya pili kwa uwezo wa kijeshi kushindwa kupigana na jirani unayevuka kwa miguu. Jirani ambaye jeshi lake ni dhaifu kuliko hata majirani zake Finland na Poland.

Kitu gani kwenye mlinganyo ni favourable kwa Ukraine tangu vita haijaanza? Si population size, sio idadi ya wanajeshi, sio uchumi, sio ukubwa wa jeshi.
Hakuna miujiza vitani, ni courage kwa Ukraine na uzembe kwa Urusi vita inaendelea mpaka sasa. Hii sio vita ya insurgents au magaidi, ilitakiwa Urusi iwe imeshinda muda mrefu kulingana na mlinganyo wao ulivyo.

Rudi ukafanye utafiti vizuri we chalii. Unasema Ukraine jeshi lake lilikuwa dhaifu kuliko jirani zake?

Sasa Kwa taarifa yako kabla ya SMO Ukraine ndio ilikuwa na jeshi Bora zaidi Ulaya nzima na ndio maana waliniamini wakidhani watamshinda Putin

 

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Urusi haina ubavu wa kupigana na Marekani, achana na NATO nzima. Hata China haiwezi pigwa na Urusi hii.
Na hivi kwani hujui maana ya msaada?

Kwahiyo kwakuwa Marekani inasaidia bajeti ya Tanzania kupitia USAID, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, World Vision na mashirika mengine basi tunasema na Marekani ni maskini. Sababu Tanzania inasaidiwa na Marekani ila bado ni maskini.
Hapa utakuja kusema kwakuwa Tanzania imeshindwa kuondokana na umaskini kwa misaada ya Marekani basi na Marekani nayo ni maskini.

Huwezi kutaja vita ya NATO bila air dominance, hapo ni kujadili uchumi wa Tanzania bila kuitaja Dar es Salaam.

Hapo Ukraine hamna Navy, NATO gani haitumii Navy vitani?
NATO gani haitumii aircraft carriers za Nimitz class, Ford class, Queen Elizabeth class, hakuna Charles de Gaulle, hakuna Cavour. Na bado hakuna amphibious ships kama Juan Carlos na Mistral.

NATO gani iko Ukraine wakati hamna submarines kama Virginia class, Los Angeles class, hakuna Barracuda class, Le Triomphat class, hakuna Astute wala Trafalgar.

NATO haina stealth fighters, haina bombers, tankers, airlifters. NATO nzima haina paratroopers?

Hayo yote nimetaja Ukraine haina na bado Russia anasuasua. Sasa imagine Russia hii ingekutana na hata Uturuki si hali ingekuwa mbaya zaidi.

Urusi ni jeshi la mtu na mtu, kila vita wanayoenda duniani huwa wanapoteza wanajeshi wengi. Kusema Urusi inapigana na NATO ni vichekesho. NATO hawawezi pigana na jeshi halijui hata kufanya SEAD na halijui kumiliki anga alafu likasalimika.

Yani msaada wa vigari 20 vya HIMARS vinavyowaliza ndio vinafanya mdai NATO iko Ukraine. Sasa Marekani ikileta HIMARS zake zaidi ya 420 zilizokuwepo kabla ya vita si mtasema mwisho wa dunia umefika. Silaha zote pale Ukraine sio hata 5% ya silaha za NATO.

Wewe unajifanya ujuaji mwingi, Ukraine amesaidiwa vifaa,askari,ujasusi,pesa,vikwazo kwa Urusi na hata vifaa vingine walitumia waliviongoza hao NATO.sasa unasema Urusi haimuwezi China kwel !?hivyo vichwa vya nuclear vina kazi gani!

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Misaada iliyopata Ukraine mingi ilikuwa ya kuweza kujilinda tu hii ya kufanya offensive inakuja kwa kusuasua tu na kwa uchache.

Hizo himmars alizopewa zipo 20 tu, Atacms zimekuja kwa kuchelewa sana, vifaru pia vimekuja vichache tena kwa kuchelewa sana (tena havijafika hata 300+), kumbuka pia hairuhusiwi kutumia hizo silaha kushambulia ndani ya Urusi.

Ok kwa hiyo hata hizo silaha za kujilinda hazikusaidia kumlinda.
Zimeshindwa kumlinda Ukraine dhidi ya jeshi Bora kabisa hapa chini ya jua Russian Forces.

Ukraine imejitahidi mno mpaka sasa kwanza kuzuia Kyiv isianguke mwaka 2022 na mpaka sasa kufanya Vita iendelee.

Nadhani wote tunakumbuka hapa kua Putin alishatuambia kua walirudisha nyumbani kikosi kilichokua kinaelekea kiev kwa sababu ya kupisha utekelezaji wa mazungumzo ya amani.
Ukraine walijifanya kukubali mazungumzo kwa masharti Urusi iache kuivamia kyev,Warusi walipoondoka kyev Ukraine kwa ushauri wa Boris Johnson wakakataa mazungumzo.

 

[MOTOCHINI]

Hahaha zile Mbwembwe Pole pole zinamuisha

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said NATO should be ready for bad news from Ukraine, according to his interview with ARD television:

 

[MOTOCHINI]

Anatafuna Huku Uchungu Akiusikia mpaka Kunako

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[lee Vladimir cleef]

Misaada iliyopata Ukraine mingi ilikuwa ya kuweza kujilinda tu hii ya kufanya offensive inakuja kwa kusuasua tu na kwa uchache.

Hizo himmars alizopewa zipo 20 tu, Atacms zimekuja kwa kuchelewa sana, vifaru pia vimekuja vichache tena kwa kuchelewa sana (tena havijafika hata 300+), kumbuka pia hairuhusiwi kutumia hizo silaha kushambulia ndani ya Urusi.

Unafikiri ni kwa Nini Ukraine ilikua inapewa silaha na NATO lkn haikuruhusiwa kushambulia ndani ya Urusi?
Ulishwawahi kuona wapi vita vya aina hiyo?
Kwamba zinapigana Iraq na Iran, halafu Iraq inapewa misaada let say na USA halafu USA inaipa shart Iraq isishambulie ndani ya iran.
Wakati USA na washirika wake walipokua wanaipiga Iraq na ama Afghanistan ama Yugoslavia walikua wanashambulia mji wowote walioutaka ili kuzidhoofisha nchi hizo.kwa Nini? kwa sababu hizo nchi waliona ni dhaifu.

Sasa kwa kufupisha ni kwamba USA ambao ndio viranja wa NATO waliogopa mambo mawili.
1)-Urusi ilitoa tamko Kali sana mwanzo wa vita kua nchi yoyote itakayoingilia kijeshi itaipa vita Kali ambayo haijawahi kupiganwa hapa chini ya jua.

2)-USA na NATO waliogopa iwapo Ukraine itajaribu kushambulia ndani kabisa ya Urusi,majibu ya Urusi yatakua ni makali mno.hakika kabisa Urusi angetangaza vita rasmi na matokeo yake Ukraine ingepewa kipigo kikali mno cha kuweza kuangamiza kabisa.ona mfano wa maangamizi anayoyafanya Israel kwa Palestine,vipi Urusi ameshafanya kitu kama hicho Ukraine?
Basi Kama hajafanyq ndo ujue USANATO sio wajinga kumzuia Ukraine asishambulie ndani ya Urusi.
Maana huenda Ukraine ingefutwa katika ramani ya Dunia.

Ukraine imejitahidi mno mpaka sasa kwanza kuzuia Kyiv isianguke mwaka 2022 na mpaka sasa kufanya Vita iendelee.

Ukraine ilishamalizwa kijeshi siku nyingi TU,ilikua Sasa ni zamu ya NATO waliokua wanapeleka silaha zao Ukraine,nazo zikawa zinapukutishwq hatimae nao wametoa milio kua wamepungukiwa akiba ya masilaha kwenye maghala Yao.
Kwa hapa Ukraine wala hajajitahidi kwa lolote maana miji imekwenda na haitarudi.
Wa kupongezwa hapa ni Urusi kaua ndege wawili kwa Jiwe moja ku demilitarize Ukraine na ku demilitarize NATO kwa wakati mmoja.

 

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Kwanini Urusi isipeleke yenyewe hizo submarines zake dhidi ya Marekani. Si mnalialia hapa kwamba Marekani inapigana na Urusi, kwamba Urusi ni bwege yeye anapigwa anajiliza badala akampige huyo anayempiga.

Chief..nashauri utulie tu. Your arguments na the wishes you had kwenye hii SMO zimesha prove kuwa irrelevant. Punguza mahaba kwa muamerka, yeye mwenyewe ameshasema kuingia vitani na Urusi iyo itakuwa vita vya tatu vya dunia. Hayo ni maneno ya Biden, wewe wa hapo kwa azizi ali unatuambia nini hapa.

Na nikwambie tu, jeshi la Urusi (Red Army) aliko vitani. So far mnapambana militia separationist wa Donbass, Chechens, PMCs ambao kuna wafungwa ndani yao pamoja na volunteers waliojitolea na kupewa mafunzo ya miezi kadhaa.

American army ya miaka hii ni tofauti sana na ile ya miaka ya 90s...wameinvest kwenye technology za bei mbaya sana ambazo ziko vulnerable sana kuwa jammed na very simple platforms za mrusi. Man power yake ndo vile, wanaruhusu wao kwa wao kuoana.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Bwana Zele Kisha Changanyikiwa Jamaa anamuogopa Kamanda wake mkuu VALERY ZALUZHNY
yaani unaambiwa Uchaguzi Hauta itishwa au kutangazwa mpaka bwana Zaluzhny athibitishe Kutoshiriki kwake yaani awe kama Dhamana Kama Hatagombea au kuhusika Vyovyoye vile Ndio Uchaguzi Utafanyika na Mpaka sasa Bado wanamsikilizia Kama Hatatangaza Kutoshiriki basi mapema Afukuzwe kazi kwa Skendo kubwa Yakutengeneza
Ndani ya Ukrein Wao kwa wao kinaumana



Vladimir Zelensky wants to hold elections in Ukraine, but they will not be announced until guarantees are received of the non-participation of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, the Strana publication reports, citing a source in Ukrainian political circles.

According to the source, Zelensky wanted to hold elections. “But one problem has arisen - Zaluzhny. Until it is resolved, elections will not be announced,” the source told the publication. According to him, first Zelensky’s office wants to achieve guarantees that Zaluzhny will not nominate his candidacy in possible elections.

“If such guarantees are not given, then (Zelensky’s office) will try to dismiss the commander in chief. And not just like that, but with maximum discredit,” the source emphasized. However, he pointed out that these are just plans for now, and their implementation may be influenced by the position of Western countries.

Summary: Russian SMO was successful

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Ukraine haina Navy kabisa kabisa, almost haina fighter jets na haina silaha nyingi sana za muhimu vitani.
Marekani hajaamua kuwa serious kivile kama alivyokuwa kwenye WW2 alivyotoa war materiel kwa USSR dhidi ya Nazi Germany. Msaada wa silaha chache hauwezi kukufanya useme Ukraine imekuwa na nguvu, mafunzo bila silaha ndio nini sasa hao NATO wakifanya mafunzo huwa hawanunui silaha za kutosha?

Ukraine hailingani wala haikaribii kulingana na NATO. Tazama hata drills zao zinavyokuwa structured na vitu gani vinahusishwa. Kupata mafunzo hata Kenya hapo wana trainers wa Marekani na Uingereza wanashinda nao permanently based kambi Nanyuki ila Kenya haiwezi kuwa kama wao.

NATO ikufundishe uwe kama wao wakati huna ndege zao, huna vifaru vyao, huna Navy, huna artillery zao hata standard mm yako ni 122mm na chache 152mm wakati yao ni 155mm. Hata rifles zako ni cartridges tofauti na zao.

Lakini ulisema Ukreni anashinda kwa sababu jeshi la Urusi ni walevi tupu.

What has happened along the way, huh?

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Chief..nashauri utulie tu. Your arguments na the wishes you had kwenye hii SMO zimesha prove kuwa irrelevant. Punguza mahaba kwa muamerka, yeye mwenyewe ameshasema kuingia vitani na Urusi iyo itakuwa vita vya tatu vya dunia. Hayo ni maneno ya Biden, wewe wa hapo kwa azizi ali unatuambia nini hapa.

Na nikwambie tu, jeshi la Urusi (Red Army) aliko vitani. So far mnapambana militia separationist wa Donbass, Chechens, PMCs ambao kuna wafungwa ndani yao pamoja na volunteers waliojitolea na kupewa mafunzo ya miezi kadhaa.

American army ya miaka hii ni tofauti sana na ile ya miaka ya 90s...wameinvest kwenye technology za bei mbaya sana ambazo ziko vulnerable sana kuwa jammed na very simple platforms za mrusi. Man power yake ndo vile, wanaruhusu wao kwa wao kuoana.

Uchambuzi murua kabisa huu.
Umeandika kwa facts kabisa.
Joe Biden alishaona Urusi ni jeshi kubwa kabisa hapa Duniani, sio terrorist organization so vita na urusi ni ww3

 

[T14 Armata]

Chief..nashauri utulie tu. Your arguments na the wishes you had kwenye hii SMO zimesha prove kuwa irrelevant. Punguza mahaba kwa muamerka, yeye mwenyewe ameshasema kuingia vitani na Urusi iyo itakuwa vita vya tatu vya dunia. Hayo ni maneno ya Biden, wewe wa hapo kwa azizi ali unatuambia nini hapa.

Marekani haina mpango wa kupigana na Urusi, ila nyinyi mnaolialia Urusi inapigwa na Marekani ndio muifanye Urusi iivamie Marekani ama sivyo basi Urusi inaogopa. Hamuwezi kudai Urusi inapigana na Marekani mara NATO na yenyewe ipo tu inajificha.

Na nikwambie tu, jeshi la Urusi (Red Army) aliko vitani.

Unaijua Red Army?
Hata jeshi la Urusi hulijui kumbe. Sasa unachangia nini.

So far mnapambana militia separationist wa Donbass, Chechens, PMCs ambao kuna wafungwa ndani yao pamoja na volunteers waliojitolea na kupewa mafunzo ya miezi kadhaa.

Wafungwa wa Urusi wanamiliki Moskva missile cruiser ya tani 11,000 iliyozamishwa vitani?

Wafungwa ndio Rais Putin alipitisha mobilization? Last time Urusi unafanya mobilization kabla ya 2022 ni 1941 Putin hajazaliwa.

Wafungwa wanamiliki S-400, Kinzhal, fighter jets?

Majenerali wa Urusi waliouwawa vitani ni wafungwa? Urusi imekubali majenerali 7 wamefariki vitani. Hao ni wafungwa, Chechens au PMC?

American army ya miaka hii ni tofauti sana na ile ya miaka ya 90s...wameinvest kwenye technology za bei mbaya sana ambazo ziko vulnerable sana kuwa jammed na very simple platforms za mrusi. Man power yake ndo vile, wanaruhusu wao kwa wao kuoana.

Unadharau teknolojia ndio maana jeshi la Urusi ni kufa kwa wingi. Wao ni kujaza idadi ya watu kama wanaenda hija.

Na hiyo bei mbaya ya platform za Marekani si ni kwa sababu hela ipo. Sasa Urusi hata ikitaka silaha za bei mbaya hela itoe wapi wakati GDP yao ni level za jimbo la California.

 

[T14 Armata]

Lakini ulisema Ukreni anashinda kwa sababu jeshi la Urusi ni walevi tupu.

What has happened along the way, huh?

Nilisema wapi

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Hahaha zile Mbwembwe Pole pole zinamuisha

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said NATO should be ready for bad news from Ukraine, according to his interview with ARD television:

Mkuu MOTOCHINI naomba kuipa nyama koment Yako.

MILITARY OPERATION IN UKRAINE
3 DEC, 10:46

NATO chief says it should be ready for bad news from Ukraine​

It is crucial to boost ammunition production, Jens Stoltenberg said

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said NATO should be ready for bad news from Ukraine, according to his interview with ARD television on Saturday.
"We should also be prepared for bad news," he said, when asked if he feared that the situation in Ukraine would worsen in the future. "Wars develop in phases. But we have to support Ukraine in both good and bad times."
It is crucial to boost ammunition production, Stoltenberg said, conceding that NATO countries were unable to meet the increased demand for them. He said Ukraine is now in a "critical situation," but declined to recommend what Kiev should do.
"I will leave it to the Ukrainians and military commanders to make these difficult operational decisions," Stoltenberg said.

He also commented on challenges faced by European defense industry.
"One of the issues we should address is the fragmentation of the European defense industry," he said.
The NATO chief said it’s in the interest of Europe and is good for jobs in the industry. He said it is important not to allow ammunition prices to rise now that demand has climbed.
Stoltenberg said there had been no significant developments on the battlefield over the past few months. He declined to share an outlook for what could happen next.
"Wars are inherently unpredictable," the official said. "But we know that the more we support Ukraine, the faster the war will end.".

Msemo usemao "time will tell,"una maana sana.
Hatimae Muda umeshaaza kuongea na kutoa majibu

Summary: Russian SMO was successful

Ha ha ha haa

 

[T14 Armata]

Wewe unajifanya ujuaji mwingi, Ukraine amesaidiwa vifaa,askari,ujasusi,pesa,vikwazo kwa Urusi na hata vifaa vingine walitumia waliviongoza hao NATO.sasa unasema Urusi haimuwezi China kwel !?hivyo vichwa vya nuclear vina kazi gani!

Mimi nikiwa mjuaji wewe ukawa mbumbumbu ni sawa hamna shida. Kwani China haina vichwa vya nyuklia?

Urusi ateswe na Ukraine isiyo na navy aje apigane na China yenye navy kubwa zaidi ya mara mbili kuzidi Urusi. China yenye industrial production kubwa zaidi ya mara 10 kwa Urusi. China yenye uchumi mkubwa sana na population na silaha na kila kitu.

 

[BUSH BIN LADEN]

Yule mpenzi wa NATO sijui yuko wapi siku izi ( T-14 Armata)maana alikuwa anajifanya anajua kuchambua vita ile mbaya.

*Mara Urusi anatumia mbinu ya kizamani
*Mara Urusi ana silaha mbovu na za kizamani
*Mara Urusi ana majenerali wazee[emoji23][emoji23]


Popote ulipo T-14 Armata tunakuitaji

@t-14 armata ni wale jamaa mkiwa mnapiga stori anaongea sana hadi mnasahau mlianzia wapi. Huwezi kuwa mtu huyo huyo unajua mambo ya kijeshi, huyo huyo unajua udaktari, kilimo, mahusiano. Huwezi kujua kila kitu na ukitaka kujua kila kitu ujue utakuwa failure kwenye maisha na always utakuwa wa kujitafuta ndo maana kuna professionalism. Unajua kila kitu hadi bosi anashindwa akulipe kama muhasibu, fundi wa magari ofisini au occupational safety and health officer kwenye eneo la kazi nk. Na shida anafungwa na mapenzi na chuki anapochambua mambo, hayuko rational kwenye baadhi ya mambo na ni hatari kama hili anaenda nalo hadi kwenye kujifunza.

 

[T14 Armata]

Rudi ukafanye utafiti vizuri we chalii. Unasema Ukraine jeshi lake lilikuwa dhaifu kuliko jirani zake?

Sasa Kwa taarifa yako kabla ya SMO Ukraine ndio ilikuwa na jeshi Bora zaidi Ulaya nzima na ndio maana waliniamini wakidhani watamshinda Putin

Jeshi bora la Ulaya lisilo na Navy?
Jeshi halina in air refueling capability, halina paratroopers. Jeshi hata artillery shells linasubiri kupewa ndio unaita bora kwa Ulaya.

Jeshi bora la Ulaya linafundishwa na Uingereza doctrine za kupigana. Uliwahi ona jeshi la Ujerumani linaenda kufundishwa Uingereza au Marekani? Uliwahi ona jeshi la Uingereza linafundishwa mapigano na Marekani?

Ukraine ilivyo hivi sasa ishakuzwa kutokana na vita ila tuseme Russia iondoke na irudishe maeneo yote kwa Ukraine na hapohapo bila maandalizi Poland ivamiwe na Ukraine bado Poland inashinda.

Ukraine hii ambayo inapewa silaha zilizostaafu Poland inashangilia ndio mnaita strongest in Europe? Hii ambayo imepewa Gepards zilizostaafu Ujerumani 2008 uko na sasa zinasifiwa sana Ukraine?

Leo Uturuki iingie vitani na Ukraine alafu Ukraine ishinde? Vichekesho

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

@t-14 armata ni wale jamaa mkiwa mnapiga stori anaongea sana hadi mnasahau mlianzia wapi. Huwezi kuwa mtu huyo huyo unajua mambo ya kijeshi, huyo huyo unajua udaktari, kilimo, mahusiano. Huwezi kujua kila kitu na ukitaka kujua kila kitu ujue utakuwa failure kwenye maisha na always utakuwa wa kujitafuta ndo maana kuna professionalism. Unajua kila kitu hadi bosi anashindwa akulipe kama muhasibu, fundi wa magari ofisini au occupational safety and health officer kwenye eneo la kazi nk. Na shida anafungwa na mapenzi na chuki anapochambua mambo, hayuko rational kwenye baadhi ya mambo na ni hatari kama hili anaenda nalo hadi kwenye kujifunza.

Hakika kabisa usemacho

 

[BUSH BIN LADEN]

Wazee wa spana mnataka Tena mwana ale nduki?. Swansea

T14-Swansea😀😀