Technically what has the Isreal state achieve from the 15months war of Gaza war.

[Marco Polo]

The primary objectives of Benjamin Natanyahu to declare war on Gaza in Octomber 2023 were among others:

1. To eliminate the group of Hamas completely and also
2. To free the 100+ captives taken up by the Hamas fighters
3. To re- occupy Gaza like the pre- 2005 era
My question is of all the three key objectives what has Israel achieved? The ceasefire agreement is just few minutes to resume, though Netanyahu is now applying delaying tactics after realising his total failure in the 15 month war.

Tujifunze kuheshimu wanyonge huwezi kumshinda ata ukiwa na siraha za aina gani Israel katumia 850k tonnes of explosives bomb on Gaza but no victory up to now, apart from killing innocent women en children to the tune of 46k.

Hizo war objectives zilikuwa geresha tu ila lengo kuu lilikuwa kumtia mtu adabu na limefanikiwa.

 

[Marco Polo]

Uko sahihi huenda malengo ya Israel hayakufikiwa lakini haiondoi ukweli kuwa Gaza imepoteza pakubwa.

Maamuzi ya Hamas ya Oktoba 7 hayakuwa sahihi.

Kimoyo moyo wanajuta haswaa wakirudia Tena basi WHO wanatakiwa kupeleka timu ya watalaam wa kupima afya ya akili na ikiwezekana itangazwe wazi kwamba Gaza ni taifa la wendawazimu.

 

[DATAZ]

Magaidi ya HAMASI yame archive nini? Gaza Sasa ni magofu na mafuvu. Literally this will require a lot of years to restore the situation.

 

[Covax]

Magaidi ya HAMASI yame archive nini? Gaza Sasa ni magofu na mafuvu. Literally this will require a lot of years to restore the situation.

Is hamas a state with all state machinery? don't bring comparison of aground with a full funded state of Israel, its Israel that has failed totally without achieving even one objective for the war.

 

[Covax]

Magaidi ya HAMASI yame archive nini? Gaza Sasa ni magofu na mafuvu. Literally this will require a lot of years to restore the situation.

Exchanging 33 captives of Israel with 2000 prisoners of Palestine fighters its a big achievement registered by Hamas fighters, dont ask again what Hamas has achieved

 

[baba-mwajuma]

Hao mateka wachache unaweza linganisha na hasara iliyopatikana hasa Gaza?

Hamas hawakufanya maamuzi sahihi mkuu.

We huelewi vita ni nini, kama UNAFKIRI vita ni Body count hutaelewa chochote kuhusu hao jamaa,

Palestina wamepata hasara kubwa sana wananchi, wanawake, watoto wameuliwa, majengo, Hospitali etc vyote vipo katika hali mbaya ni kweli.

Ila kwenye medani ya Vita Hamas hajapigika,
1. Objective yake ya kubadilishana Mateka ambayo ipo tokea vita vinaanza imefanikiwa Makamanda wao wanaachiwa huru.
2. Wamepigana Ana kwa Ana na jeshi lenye kila aina ya Vifaa kwa zaidi ya mwaka bila kutetereka, Hii inawapa Confidence zaidi kwa vita vijavyo.
3. ukumbuke silaha za sasa hivi Hamas wanatengeneza wenyewe na mabomba ya maji na screpa za Chuma, mabomu yote waliyopiga Israel, vifaru vyao vilivyoharibiwa, na scrapper zote wanazo acha hapo ndio raw materials wamewapelekea Hamas watengeneze
4. Kwenye Diplomasia ya kimataifa wamefanikiwa kuidondosha Israel hadi sasa Nchi kibao Viongozi wa Israel hawawezi kwenda etc.

 

[DR VRM]

The primary objectives of Benjamin Natanyahu to declare war on Gaza in Octomber 2023 were among others:

1. To eliminate the group of Hamas completely and also
2. To free the 100+ captives taken up by the Hamas fighters
3. To re- occupy Gaza like the pre- 2005 era
My question is of all the three key objectives what has Israel achieved? The ceasefire agreement is just few minutes to resume, though Netanyahu is now applying delaying tactics after realising his total failure in the 15 month war.

Tujifunze kuheshimu wanyonge huwezi kumshinda ata ukiwa na siraha za aina gani Israel katumia 850k tonnes of explosives bomb on Gaza but no victory up to now, apart from killing innocent women en children to the tune of 46k.

technically the winner is the Zion state, miundombinu ya GAZA imeharibiwa na hai-support maisha ya kibinadamu, wakati wao waisrael maisha yao yanasonga mbele, Taifa linaendelea kuwa dunia yenye maendeleo kwa nyanja zote (Israel has the 26th largest economy in the world by nominal GD)

 

[Covax]

technically the winner is the Zion state, miundombinu ya GAZA imeharibiwa na hai-support maisha ya kibinadamu, wakati wao waisrael maisha yao yanasonga mbele, Taifa linaendelea kuwa dunia yenye maendeleo kwa nyanja zote (Israel has the 26th largest economy in the world by nominal GD)

If the key objective of Israel/zion state ware to destroy and kill palastine I think they would do that while their at their country since they used jet fighters and drones, then why engaging in the war for 15monts when you can destroye en kill alot in one month.

Mkuu jitahidi uwe analytical and mature in your arguments or just leave it to pass for others to do that.

 

[salari]

Israel wanamategemeo makubwa sana na Trump ila hawatokuja kuamini atakavyowabadilikia.

Stay tuned, kama hiki ndo unachoamini kwa sasa ni wewe hutoamini kitakachokuwa kinatokea. Kwa taarifa tu mshikamano unaoenda kuongezeka baina ya Israel na US utakuwa mkubwa kupindukia.

 

[DR VRM]

If the key objective of Israel/zion state ware to destroy and kill palastine I think they would do that while their at their country since they used jet fighters and drones, then why engaging in the war for 15monts when you can destroye en kill alot in one month.

Mkuu jitahidi uwe analytical and mature in your arguments or just leave it to pass for others to do that.

nimeongea bluntily quoting league of Arab states and the AID organizations (IRC, Save the Children e.t.al), hiyo ni fact, sihitaji kuwa analytical, as if nafanya PHD Thesis!

 

[Covax]

nimeongea bluntily quoting league of Arab states and the AID organizations (IRC, Save the Children e.t.al), hiyo ni fact, sihitaji kuwa analytical, as if nafanya PHD Thesis!

So try to be authentic in your quotation mkuu.

 

[Bams]

The primary objectives of Benjamin Natanyahu to declare war on Gaza in Octomber 2023 were among others:

1. To eliminate the group of Hamas completely and also
2. To free the 100+ captives taken up by the Hamas fighters
3. To re- occupy Gaza like the pre- 2005 era
My question is of all the three key objectives what has Israel achieved? The ceasefire agreement is just few minutes to resume, though Netanyahu is now applying delaying tactics after realising his total failure in the 15 month war.

Tujifunze kuheshimu wanyonge huwezi kumshinda ata ukiwa na siraha za aina gani Israel katumia 850k tonnes of explosives bomb on Gaza but no victory up to now, apart from killing innocent women en children to the tune of 46k.

Technically and practically, Israel has achieved beyound its anounced objectives.

Its war has led to destruction and weakening of other terrorist groups which were not in the list. Assad regime has perished. Iran its air defence and nuclear programs have been decapitated. Hamas government in Gaza has been eliminated. Hamas objectives per their terrorist acts of October last year, none has materialized, and in fact it has lost even the small it used to have, including lives of thousands of people, their leaders and fighters. Hamas now is not talking about getting a Palestibe nation, rather just a ceasefire, at least to survive. Like in the past, every time they fight Israel, they loose more. In 1947 they were given 44% of the land, by UN. After the first war, they lost 60% of the 44%. In 1967, after the war, they lost the whole land, including East Jerusalem. Their neighbours who fought together against Israel, ended up loosing land e.g. Golan heights and the Sinai.

Had the palestinians have even a fraction of wisdom, they could think about getting into a different approach, not continuing with this proved to fail all the time.

 

[salari]

technically the winner is the Zion state, miundombinu ya GAZA imeharibiwa na hai-support maisha ya kibinadamu, wakati wao waisrael maisha yao yanasonga mbele, Taifa linaendelea kuwa dunia yenye maendeleo kwa nyanja zote (Israel has the 26th largest economy in the world by nominal GD)

Kwa mtu anayefikiri kikobaaz hawezi elewa, Hamas imedhoofishwa, Hezbollah imedhoofishwa, mfuga mbwa yaani mwenye mbwa wake yaan Iran naye kapigwa baadhi ya miundo mbinu yake. Lebanon kwa sasa inazuia fedha kuwafikia Hezbollah waliobakia, na ndiyo maana kwa sasa mpaka diplomats wa Iran wanapoland Lebanon wanakaguliwa kuangalia kama hawana fedha wanazopelekea Hezbollah, Wakati huhuo Hezbollah walikuwa wakitumia chocho la Syria, Assad naye kaangushwa na huku Russia akishindwa kabisaaaa kumsaidia, na miundo mbinu kibao ya kijeshi ambayo ingeweza kutumiaka na magaidi ya Syria nayo imeharibiwa na Israel.
Ila Kobaaaaz watakwambia hakuna Israel alichofanikiwa.
Gaza/wapalestina wamerudishwa nyuma sana, tena basi waliowarudisha nyuma na wao wameuliwa kibudu akina Yahya Sinwar ambaye alikuwa akikimbia maana mambo yalikuwa magumu sana kwake.
Hamas na Hezbollah kwa sasa wamedhoofu ila kobaaaz watakwambia wameimarika sana kuliko wakati vita havijaanza ndo ujue uwezo wao wa kufikiri unapoishia.
Kama Hamas walikuwa na lengo la kuiangusha Israel then wao wachukue nchi na mwishoni wao ndo wameishia kuuwawa kibudu tena kwa wingi wa kutosha kabisa, miundo mbinu imeharibiwa vibaya mno huku wale waliotakiwa kuangushwa wapo palepale na maisha yanaendelea kama kawaida basi wapalestina ni watu duni katika kufikiri kwao.

 

[johsee]

Exchanging 33 captives of Israel with 2000 prisoners of Palestine fighters its a big achievement registered by Hamas fighters, dont ask again what Hamas has achieved

Lakini kuuwawa kwa watu zaidi ya 40k dhidi ya 1.5k kwako unaona Israel ameshindwa?
Unalia na gharama za vita versus maisha ya watu as if hizo silaha ziliundwa kwa ajili ya exhibition

 

[DR VRM]

So try to be authentic in your quotation mkuu.

kama una question authenticity ya nilichoandika, wewe weka hizo facts against my stuff.
(it will take 350 years just to restore the Gaza GDP levels of 2022)

 

[Covax]

Lakini kuuwawa kwa watu zaidi ya 40k dhidi ya 1.5k kwako unaona Israel ameshindwa?
Unalia na gharama za vita versus maisha ya watu as if hizo silaha ziliundwa kwa ajili ya exhibition

Killing innocent civilian has never been an achievement of war mkuu naomba uelewe malengo ya vita.

 

[Covax]

kama una question authenticity ya nilichoandika, wewe weka hizo facts against my stuff.
(it will take 350 years just to restore the Gaza GDP levels of 2022)

Thay can be beaten with mere commonsense mkuu Gaza is less than 50yrs old so how comes to take 350yrs to replace the 50yrs achievements...... wakeup dude.

 

[Covax]

Kwa mtu anayefikiri kikobaaz hawezi elewa, Hamas imedhoofishwa, Hezbollah imedhoofishwa, mfuga mbwa yaani mwenye mbwa wake yaan Iran naye kapigwa baadhi ya miundo mbinu yake. Lebanon kwa sasa inazuia fedha kuwafikia Hezbollah waliobakia, na ndiyo maana kwa sasa mpaka diplomats wa Iran wanapoland Lebanon wanakaguliwa kuangalia kama hawana fedha wanazopelekea Hezbollah, Wakati huhuo Hezbollah walikuwa wakitumia chocho la Syria, Assad naye kaangushwa na huku Russia akishindwa kabisaaaa kumsaidia, na miundo mbinu kibao ya kijeshi ambayo ingeweza kutumiaka na magaidi ya Syria nayo imeharibiwa na Israel.
Ila Kobaaaaz watakwambia hakuna Israel alichofanikiwa.
Gaza/wapalestina wamerudishwa nyuma sana, tena basi waliowarudisha nyuma na wao wameuliwa kibudu akina Yahya Sinwar ambaye alikuwa akikimbia maana mambo yalikuwa magumu sana kwake.
Hamas na Hezbollah kwa sasa wamedhoofu ila kobaaaz watakwambia wameimarika sana kuliko wakati vita havijaanza ndo ujue uwezo wao wa kufikiri unapoishia.
Kama Hamas walikuwa na lengo la kuiangusha Israel then wao wachukue nchi na mwishoni wao ndo wameishia kuuwawa kibudu tena kwa wingi wa kutosha kabisa, miundo mbinu imeharibiwa vibaya mno huku wale waliotakiwa kuangushwa wapo palepale na maisha yanaendelea kama kawaida basi wapalestina ni watu duni katika kufikiri kwao.

I put this thread in English to eliminate narrow and parochial thinking people like you, your argument is too immature.

 

[Covax]

Technically and practically, Israel has achieved beyound its anounced objectives.

Its war has led to destruction and weakening of other terrorist groups which were not in the list. Assad regime has perished. Iran its air defence and nuclear programs have been decapitated. Hamas government in Gaza has been eliminated. Hamas objectives per their terrorist acts of October last year, none has materialized, and in fact it has lost even the small it used to have, including lives of thousands of people, their leaders and fighters. Hamas now is not talking about getting a Palestibe nation, rather just a ceasefire, at least to survive. Like in the past, every time they fight Israel, they loose more. In 1947 they were given 44% of the land, by UN. After the first war, they lost 60% of the 44%. In 1967, after the war, they lost the whole land, including East Jerusalem. Their neighbours who fought together against Israel, ended up loosing land e.g. Golan heights and the Sinai.

Had the palestinians have even a fraction of wisdom, they could think about getting into a different approach, not continuing with this proved to fail all the time.

Where those among her key en primary objectives or just making your own opinion?

 

[DR VRM]

Thay can be beaten with mere commonsense mkuu Gaza is less than 50yrs old so how comes to take 350yrs to replace the 50yrs achievements...... wakeup dude.

Hizo ni facts (siyo common sense), destruction iliyotokea magnitude yake ndyo hiyo, all stakeholders agree to that, it doesn't matter how old the Palestian authority is.