The military strengths of Kenya and Uganda

[SOBY]

congrats, what an expected props windfall!btw, is by any chance the word smarter a metonym of the notorious smatta?

Thats some funny sht!!

 

[tomilay]

I am not doubting that. In fact without technology, you would learn more by monitoring the conflict from a skiff in the South Atlantic; move as close as possible without getting injured and peel your eyes; we are on the same page there. I know the Chinese had a satellite in 1982. Were they only able to communicate with it from Ruvuma because their radar in China could not? Is this something you probably want to retract with your reputation intact?

Sir, they were in Angola and Ruvuma it's easy...... you can monitor South America easily from Atlantic Southern Africa (talk to you geography teacher) . Why you think DRC had American base back in the days?.... From Atlantic Southern Africa you can trace ships bound to South America.... thats some cold war ish.
But hey, ur Kenyan , so you are smarter!

 

[Pezzonovante]

On Yearly basis, Kenya has been building up its infantry. Annually, 6000 troops are trained and the cadet school recruits hundreds of military aviators. As such, annually, an estimated 8,000 join the military. The military intelligence and the defense training college in Karen is a hub for senior military officials where strategy and geopolitics are assessed. Besides, the Kenyan military is disciplined well trained, and engaged in corporate social responsibility.

 

[SOBY]

I am not doubting that. In fact without technology, you would learn more by monitoring the conflict from a skiff in the South Atlantic; move as close as possible without getting injured and peel your eyes; we are on the same page there. I know the Chinese had a satellite in 1982. Were they only able to communicate with it from Ruvuma because their radar in China could not? Is this something you probably want to retract with your reputation intact?

OOuch!! didn't see that!!
Russians had their radar in Angola, see, the cold war in Africa was fought in Angola. After Russia and Cuba failed to take Zaire (After Lumumba's assasination, Russia withdrew), the main base was Angola, remember Che and Kabila tried to start a guerilla war from Kigoma, but didn't work. Angola was the base, and most weapons were delivered through Dar port and sent to Angola, and some to Farm 17 to fight the Portuguese. There was also a base in Ruvuma, and all the signals from Angola were received in Ruvuma. Tanzania's role in Cold war, helped build her military but afterwards we had to only depend on China, who as you know still hold lincences to build some Russian weapons eg Migs. That's the connection.
Satelite?.... C'mon .

 

[tomilay]

The reason I asked was to do with the 1982 Falklands war, Ruvuma, China. I see now there is an Angolan connection. Don't get me wrong, I know Tz was socialist and had strong ties with Russia and China. I am still trying to understand why Chinese would monitor the Falklands conflict from Ruvuma. I guess why not Angola? Isn't it closer to the Falklands? And if communications about the Falklands were relayed using satellites(as I strongly imagine they would) why not just do it in China? I was hoping to be convinced without asking for some independent confirmation but that seems to be the only path. I am not saying you are a liar, but this type of claim seems like the kind you find in a drunken bar-room conversation.

OOuch!! didn't see that!!
Russians had their radar in Angola, see, the cold war in Africa was fought in Angola. After Russia and Cuba failed to take Zaire (After Lumumba's assasination, Russia withdrew), the main base was Angola, remember Che and Kabila tried to start a guerilla war from Kigoma, but didn't work. Angola was the base, and most weapons were delivered through Dar port and sent to Angola, and some to Farm 17 to fight the Portuguese. There was also a base in Ruvuma, and all the signals from Angola were received in Ruvuma. Tanzania's role in Cold war, helped build her military but afterwards we had to only depend on China, who as you know still hold lincences to build some Russian weapons eg Migs. That's the connection.
Satelite?.... C'mon .

 

[Bantugbro]

OOuch!! didn't see that!!
Russians had their radar in Angola, see, the cold war in Africa was fought in Angola. After Russia and Cuba failed to take Zaire (After Lumumba's assasination, Russia withdrew), the main base was Angola, remember Che and Kabila tried to start a guerilla war from Kigoma, but didn't work. Angola was the base, and most weapons were delivered through Dar port and sent to Angola, and some to Farm 17 to fight the Portuguese. There was also a base in Ruvuma, and all the signals from Angola were received in Ruvuma. Tanzania's role in Cold war, helped build her military but afterwards we had to only depend on China, who as you know still hold lincences to build some Russian weapons eg Migs. That's the connection.
Satelite?.... C'mon .

What is going on at Farm 17 these days?

 

[Kabaridi]

Detail za CIA, zinaonyesha tanzania jeshi lake linaukosefu mkubwa wa vitendea kazi. Vingi ni duni, vibovu, vichakavu. Ndege zao nyingi ni aina ya MIG za miaka ya 70-80s+, Ambazo waliziteka uganda, walinunua ndege nyingine za kivita lakin zimekuwa vimeo, sababu kuu zilinunuliwa zikiwa mbovu, chakavu na lack of proper training. Uwezo wa jeshi le2 ki anga si mzuri, hii ni kutokana na bajeti ndogo ambayo ni 0.2% Ya GDP. Siraha nyingi ni zakutoka china na russia. Pamoja na upungufu wote wa vitendea kazi. Jeshi letu bado imara.
Source:
Tanzania People's Defence Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

kwa umbali naona CPA ndio analeta mjadala huu objectively. Wengine kama Banugbro na pezzonovante nikipitia juu juu nawaona katika kila forum kwenya tovuti. Lazima mfanye kazi ndugu zangu la sivyo watoto watalala njaa!

CPA mazungumzo yako yanamanufaa maana inatupatia nafasi mwafaka ya kufanya uchanganuzi katika majeshi yote ya africa. sana sana weakness and strengths za the main strong armies in East and central African especially KDF aka the 'green army' na Tanzania army (JWTZ) na hata west Africa where Nigeria and ivory coast are leading in military equipment and personnel and experience. One funny thing Uganda has spend most tax payers money over the years to purchase numerous equipments and the dreaded ones, yet they have not used them probably zinaliwa na kutu kwenye garrisons. But ukichanganua development index vs military budget indexes za Uganda, Uganda is the has the poorest development index across East Africa being surpassed by countries like Rwanda which is the best performer across East and central Africa in development indexes. Pia ningependa kuwapa advice kwamba reasearch mengi hasa za vyuo vikuu kutoka merikani specialy university of phoneix ni watu ambao they are biased in their commentaries and africa analysis, they use outdated literature to analyse Africa. Kwa hivyo bearing in mind mambo haya muhimu get the latest statistics about Africa'a well equiped armies minus 'Misri' kwa website hii always updated and unbiased. Unfortunately sioni TZ but I believe TZ has one of the best armies across EA according to university of Phoenix on African countries military analysis

Kenya army

Kenya Kenyan army land ground armed defense forces military equipment armored vehicles intelligence*-*Army Recognition

Uganda

http://www.armyrecognition.com/ugan...y_equipment_armored_vehicle_intelligence.html

Rwanda
http://www.armyrecognition.com/rwan...moured_vehicle_pictures_information_desc.html

Sudan
http://www.armyrecognition.com/suda...moured_armored_vehicle_intelligence_pict.html

Nigeria
http://www.armyrecognition.com/nige...armoured_vehicle_pictures_information_de.html

South Africa
http://www.armyrecognition.com/sout..._equipment_armoured_vehicle_intelligence.html

 

[mfianchi]

Kwa EA hakuna jeshi linalofikia kwa JWTZ,hilo la Kenya hii ndio mara ya kwanza kuingia vitani tena si vitani na nchi bali kikundi,mara nyingi jeshi la Kenya limetumika katika majeshi ya KULINDA AMANI katika nchi mbalimbali,nimeandika kulinda amani na si katika vita.
Tanzania kwa upande wake lina jeshi lililokubuhu kwenye medani ya vita ,ukianzia vita vya Uganda,Vita vya Msumbiji,Vita vya Angola,huko kote Tanzania ilipeleka wanajeshi wake kupigana vita,pia imesaidia kijeshi kuzima maasi huko Ushelisheli na Comoro.Sasa ndugu zangu Kenya Al shabab tu wanawatoa jasho ,tena hicho ni kikundi na si nchi
(hivi sasa Kenya waalimu wa vyuo vikuu wamegoma wakidai marupurupu) na serikali inasema haina fedha kwa kuwa iko vitani(operesheni linda nchi)

 

[Bantugbro]

kwa umbali naona CPA ndio analeta mjadala huu objectively. Wengine kama Banugbro na pezzonovante nikipitia juu juu nawaona katika kila forum kwenya tovuti. Lazima mfanye kazi ndugu zangu la sivyo watoto watalala njaa!

Kenya army

Kenya Kenyan army land ground armed defense forces military equipment armored vehicles intelligence*-*Army Recognition

Kwanza, acha kufuatilia maisha ya watu wenzako tunakaa mtandaoni 24/7/365 kwa sababu ni sehemu ya kazi zetu na tunalipwa vizuri kwa kiufanya hivyo:lol:.

Pili, naona hii ni posti yako ya pili halafu tayari ushakuwa mjuaji, nakushauri upitie hii thread vizuri toka mwanzo kabla ya kuwa judgemental.

Tatu, usipende vitu vya dezo dezo kama Wikipedia kwa mambo ya msingi, maana kila mtu humu ana uwezo huo na pia hata ku-edit wiki pages. Nakushauri utafute pesa ulipie Janes na kwingineko ili upate habari za uhakika za kuleta hapa jamvini.

NNe, hata hii website yako haina chochote cha maana kutuletea hapa, alot of missing info hebu angalia hii entry ya KDF:

 

[Kabaridi]

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Kwa EA hakuna jeshi linalofikia kwa JWTZ,hilo la Kenya hii ndio mara ya kwanza kuingia vitani tena si vitani na nchi bali kikundi,mara nyingi jeshi la Kenya limetumika katika majeshi ya KULINDA AMANI katika nchi mbalimbali,nimeandika kulinda amani na si katika vita.
Tanzania kwa upande wake lina jeshi lililokubuhu kwenye medani ya vita ,ukianzia vita vya Uganda,Vita vya Msumbiji,Vita vya Angola,huko kote Tanzania ilipeleka wanajeshi wake kupigana vita,pia imesaidia kijeshi kuzima maasi huko Ushelisheli na Comoro.Sasa ndugu zangu Kenya Al shabab tu wanawatoa jasho ,tena hicho ni kikundi na si nchi
(hivi sasa Kenya waalimu wa vyuo vikuu wamegoma wakidai marupurupu) na serikali inasema haina fedha kwa kuwa iko vitani(operesheni linda nchi)

Tulisema Namna gani mfianchi lazima tuwe objective katika mazungumuzo. Hata kama mlitumika kuondoa Idi amin UG, Africa was young na ndio nchi nyingi africa zilikuwa zimepata uhuru kutoka kwa wakoloni basi tukishagundua hayo unasema alshaabab ni kundi ndogo. Ndiyo hatukatai lakini walitupa bomu hapa East AFrica mwaka wa 2010 na bado wanaendelea kuishi na kufanya ugaidi wao hapa hapa EA. Ethiopia walishindwa, Marekani munaoabudu walishindwa. je! hatakama mlitoa IDi AMIN ni miaka ngapi imepita sasa? Sayansi na technologia zimeenea kama ni hivyo, basi wakenya wangejigamba kwa kumwondoa mwingereza 1962. Mambo yajadiliwe kwa bayana na vile mambo yanavyondelea si historia. Huu ndio wakati mwafaka wa kuimarisha jeshi zetu za EA

 

[NICK2275]

KDF's capability must be questioned,it d'nt make sense they are getting support from usa and france and already deployed large ground troops in somalia,yet they cant fight al-shabaab-begging help from israel..this is weakness,
if KDF is well trained and equiped as postulated,they should not face these bummer

 

[tomilay]

KDF is well prepped and more than adequately equipped for the task - no better force in the region for the task. Yes, they can overrun Al Shabab positions in their strongholds all the way to Kismayo but they are not. There are many possible reasons for that, but capability is most definitely not one of them. I can see minimizing their casualties as a major factor. I have also seen from sources information that suggests Al Shabab are also defecting in large numbers and KDF has to figure out ways to manage this. Also possible changes in plan; the original plan was a buffer zone, which is already effectively in place = SUCCESS.

You will find more informative stuff on KDF and its operations in Somalia on this forum here EAST AFRICAS' FORCES. Most of the guys in there are in the forces and some are actually on the ground with spec ops as well as air force and army helicopter pilots. Jamii forum is great, just not for this type of information unless you only seek to quietly amuse yourself.

Of course Kenya has to seek the backing of every possible nation. That does not mean they are out of their depth. Its just the diplomatic aspect of this operation.

KDF's capability must be questioned,it d'nt make sense they are getting support from usa and france and already deployed large ground troops in somalia,yet they cant fight al-shabaab-begging help from israel..this is weakness,
if KDF is well trained and equiped as postulated,they should not face these bummer

 

[Kabaridi]

KDF is well prepped and more than adequately equipped for the task - no better force in the region for the task. Yes, they can overrun Al Shabab positions in their strongholds all the way to Kismayo but they are not. There are many possible reasons for that, but capability is most definitely not one of them. I can see minimizing their casualties as a major factor. I have also seen from sources information that suggests Al Shabab are also defecting in large numbers and KDF has to figure out ways to manage this. Also possible changes in plan; the original plan was a buffer zone, which is already effectively in place = SUCCESS.

You will find more informative stuff on KDF and its operations in Somalia on this forum here EAST AFRICAS' FORCES. Most of the guys in there are in the forces and some are actually on the ground with spec ops as well as air force and army helicopter pilots. Jamii forum is great, just not for this type of information unless you only seek to quietly amuse yourself.

Of course Kenya has to seek the backing of every possible nation. That does not mean they are out of their depth. Its just the diplomatic aspect of this operation.

I think tomilay you are the main man here because of how you present facts and because you understand the nature of this miltant outfit. Most of this brothers from across EA want to amuse themselves silently. Hawajafanya uchanganuzi especially brothers from TZ of their army capabilities wajue statistics za training programs or kama wamefanya military equipment upgrades. Kuna dada mmoja hapa; sitaki kumtaja jina. She's too indesicive hana facts. Wao nikudwell to at the past ya kwamba walimtoa Idi amin na UG eti walingoa angola. Sifa ambazo jeshi la TZ ilipata ni za kale. Hata zile za university of phoenix na CIA facbooks are based on old old information.

We are talking of since 1969 to 72. Tz brothers you cannot rely on such information at this mordern times. Now kuna a new warfare "terrorism" not "coup d'etat" kama vile mobutu alivyoondolewa from power. In Fact, the truth of the matter is most militaries in Africa are outdated in tacts and everything and refresher courses and remodel training military packages are needed. But remember this Alshabaab is a rag-tag militia meaning niwatu kama vinyonga. Go to BBC and find out the meaning of "rag tag". As you say tom, it is true that is they have now defected changing face and are now assuming civilian status using women and children as human shields. It is hard kupigana na watu kama hao. Tell them that some are even coming towards the border of kenya suprisingly to daadab refugee camps.

Ningewashi wale mnaotaka kujadiliana without much parranoia mnaeza kuja katika matandao huu
Kenya Armed Forces - Page 32

 

[SOBY]

I think tomilay you are the main man here because of how you present facts and because you understand the nature of this miltant outfit. Most of this brothers from across EA want to amuse themselves silently. Hawajafanya uchanganuzi especially brothers from TZ of their army capabilities wajue statistics za training programs or kama wamefanya military equipment upgrades. Kuna dada mmoja hapa; sitaki kumtaja jina. She's too indesicive hana facts. Wao nikudwell to at the past ya kwamba walimtoa Idi amin na UG eti walingoa angola. Sifa ambazo jeshi la TZ ilipata ni za kale. Hata zile za university of phoenix na CIA facbooks are based on old old information.

We are talking of since 1969 to 72. Tz brothers you cannot rely on such information at this mordern times. Now kuna a new warfare "terrorism" not "coup d'etat" kama vile mobutu alivyoondolewa from power. In Fact, the truth of the matter is most militaries in Africa are outdated in tacts and everything and refresher courses and remodel training military packages are needed. But remember this Alshabaab is a rag-tag militia meaning niwatu kama vinyonga. Go to BBC and find out the meaning of "rag tag". As you say tom, it is true that is they have now defected changing face and are now assuming civilian status using women and children as human shields. It is hard kupigana na watu kama hao. Tell them that some are even coming towards the border of kenya suprisingly to daadab refugee camps.

Ningewashi wale mnaotaka kujadiliana without much parranoia mnaeza kuja katika matandao huu
Kenya Armed Forces - Page 32

So was RENAMO and UNITA, they were called "bandidos"..... a bunch of rag tag militias, and they were disciplined. We've been doing this, just agree it's not rocket science.

 

[Mutambukamalogo]

Wangeweza hata kununua "drone" 12 kama wangeweza kufanya biashara vizuri ya madini, na kudhibiti utumiaji mbovu wa madaraka katika kuingia mikataba ya kuinua uchumi wa taifa(Dowans na the like), pia wangeweza kuimarisha Hi-Tech Surveillance System.

Lakini jamani wana JF, hivi ni nani anawapa ruhusa Google, kutumia Google Earth yao ku'locate' exactly military base za nchi zote duniani huku wakificha very delicate info za baadhi ya military bases za nchi za magharibi? Hakuna namna ya kuwa "sue" hawa jamaa?

Pamoja na biashara Google wana operate under US Defence systems.

 

[NICK2275]

KDF is well prepped and more than adequately equipped for the task - no better force in the region for the task. Yes, they can overrun Al Shabab positions in their strongholds all the way to Kismayo but they are not. There are many possible reasons for that, but capability is most definitely not one of them. I can see minimizing their casualties as a major factor. I have also seen from sources information that suggests Al Shabab are also defecting in large numbers and KDF has to figure out ways to manage this. Also possible changes in plan; the original plan was a buffer zone, which is already effectively in place = SUCCESS.

You will find more informative stuff on KDF and its operations in Somalia on this forum here EAST AFRICAS' FORCES. Most of the guys in there are in the forces and some are actually on the ground with spec ops as well as air force and army helicopter pilots. Jamii forum is great, just not for this type of information unless you only seek to quietly amuse yourself.

Of course Kenya has to seek the backing of every possible nation. That does not mean they are out of their depth. Its just the diplomatic aspect of this operation.

its prety generally known that anyone asking for backup is in state of trouble,and perhaps need urgent support
thats what KDF didnt hide ,whatever you say KDF is well equiped and whatnot,their statements prove who they are in real combat operation

 

[tomilay]

Ignorance is bliss. Willful ignorance, contemptible. Which country in this day does not seek international backing both diplomatic and even better, material support, for its military operations? That does not mean they are incapable, but rather its the smart thing to do.

its prety generally known that anyone asking for backup is in state of trouble,and perhaps need urgent support
thats what KDF didnt hide ,whatever you say KDF is well equiped and whatnot,their statements prove who they are in real combat operation

 

[tomilay]

The stuff you see being passed as fact is just hilarious. So Tz fought and removed an ill disciplined and trained army in Uganda 32 years ago; Idi Amin's troops ran at the first sign of resistance or fight back - if that is the experience you would wish to apply against a disciplined force like KDF, you'll be in for a nasty surprise. In any case how many of those folks are even still alive, let alone able to fight? Ultimately it all comes down to training, preparation, discipline, strategy, average IQ of your soldiers, and tools.

I think tomilay you are the main man here because of how you present facts and because you understand the nature of this miltant outfit. Most of this brothers from across EA want to amuse themselves silently. Hawajafanya uchanganuzi especially brothers from TZ of their army capabilities wajue statistics za training programs or kama wamefanya military equipment upgrades. Kuna dada mmoja hapa; sitaki kumtaja jina. She's too indesicive hana facts. Wao nikudwell to at the past ya kwamba walimtoa Idi amin na UG eti walingoa angola. Sifa ambazo jeshi la TZ ilipata ni za kale. Hata zile za university of phoenix na CIA facbooks are based on old old information.

We are talking of since 1969 to 72. Tz brothers you cannot rely on such information at this mordern times. Now kuna a new warfare "terrorism" not "coup d'etat" kama vile mobutu alivyoondolewa from power. In Fact, the truth of the matter is most militaries in Africa are outdated in tacts and everything and refresher courses and remodel training military packages are needed. But remember this Alshabaab is a rag-tag militia meaning niwatu kama vinyonga. Go to BBC and find out the meaning of "rag tag". As you say tom, it is true that is they have now defected changing face and are now assuming civilian status using women and children as human shields. It is hard kupigana na watu kama hao. Tell them that some are even coming towards the border of kenya suprisingly to daadab refugee camps.

Ningewashi wale mnaotaka kujadiliana without much parranoia mnaeza kuja katika matandao huu
Kenya Armed Forces - Page 32

 

[Askari Kanzu]

Ignorance is bliss. Willful ignorance, contemptible. Which country in this day does not seek international backing both diplomatic and even better, material support, for its military operations? That does not mean they are incapable, but rather its the smart thing to do.

Nah nah nah, stop fooling yourself. Kenyans are the most coward lot in the region. Events on the ground are plain enough for the blind to see!

 

[tomilay]

Give me one example of which country swings into military operations today alone and I might just start taking you as more than a joke. I am not here to spoil your party. I have said before, you are free to wallow in ignorance, its your right.

Nah nah nah, stop fooling yourself. Kenyans are the most coward lot in the region. Events on the ground are plain enough for the blind to see!