UHURU JR
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Mie sio kama wewe,sikimbii swali ila nimekuuliza neno uumbaji ni nini kwanza halafu ndiyo nijibu swali lako.
Mie sio kama wewe,sikimbii swali ila nimekuuliza neno uumbaji ni nini kwanza halafu ndiyo nijibu swali lako.Must complexity come from a higher complexity?
Jibu swali, acha kulikimbia.
Uumbaji ni process inayofanya kitu kiwepo.Mie sio kama wewe,sikimbii swali ila nimekuuliza neno uumbaji ni nini kwanza halafu ndiyo nijibu swali lako.
Thibitisha mungu yupo angalau kwa kutumia logical consistency."Thibitisha kama mungu yupo" hii sasa imekuwa kama ni nyimbo,siku zote ukitafuta usichokijua hutaweza kukipata.
Hebu mtueleze huo uthibitisho mnaotaka upoje?maana isije mkawa mnatafuta msichokijua,tuambie huo uthibitisho mnaoutaka ni wa kuona,kusikia au kuhisi? Maana kuna wengine wanasema tunaamini kitu ambacho hatujawahi kukiona.
Ok,Let us use Logic to Prove existence of GodThibitisha mungu yupo angalau kwa kutumia logical consistency.
Nikikubali hayo yote unataka kunipeleka wapi?Ok,Let us use Logic to Prove existence of God
But before I begin my proof,I think is better to start with the simple premises that all we agree with.
Let's begin...
It's undeniably true that something exist.Otherwise we would not be here right now in JF
so it's true something exist,and that is my first premise
The second one,Something can never exist from Nothing
Actually this is oldest scientific principle and it is self evident too
Ex nihilo nihil fit,Do you believe it kaka before I proceed with my Argument?
unaiga dada kupinga uwepo wa Mungu,...Unawezaje kuniambia mvivu wakati umeshindwa hata kuweka hayo maandishi unayoniambia nisome? Akili zako ziko sawa kweli?
Hivi Kati yangu mi na wewe anaeiga ni nani?
Evidence gani ambayo haijajibiwa?unaiga dada kupinga uwepo wa Mungu,...
evidence zimetolewa za maandiko,.. soma post za vCTRMA
vCTRMA ndo nani? Mbona unaleta ngonjera badala ya fact?unaiga dada kupinga uwepo wa Mungu,...
evidence zimetolewa za maandiko,.. soma post za vCTRMA
kweli ni mgumu wa kuelewa,...umeshindwa kuelewa nini kmeendelea hapo,...Kweli wewe ni Senior member
Sasa hiyo ni comment au Thread
Uzi hauanzishwi ndani ya Uzi
Akupeleke uokoke,...uache dhambi,.....Nikikubali hayo yote unataka kunipeleka wapi?
If something can never exist from nothing, must something exist from something else?
Nikikubali hayo yote unataka kunipeleka wapi?
If something can never exist from nothing, must something exist from something else?
kweli ni mgumu wa kuelewa,...umeshindwa kuelewa nini kmeendelea hapo,...
hiyo tahadhali nimetoa hapa ndani ya hii thread kutahadhalisha watu,...
msiwapotoshe kwa points zenu mfu,...
vCTRMA ndo nani? Mbona unaleta ngonjera badala ya fact?
Kwani unashindwa nini kuweka link?
Jamani watoto wanasumbua sana, hivi matokeo bado hayajatoka tupumzike kidogo?Huyo Dogo si timamu
Ameambiwa alete huo ushaidi anaodai upo lakini Mpaka sasa hatujauoni
watu wengine wamezoea kuchungwa kama kondoo
Hana uthibitisho wowote zaidi ya Blind faith.
Hujajibu maswali umerukia post tu.Akupeleke uokoke,...uache dhambi,.....
we huna points za msingi unarukaruka2 ndugu,...
kibuli cha uzima hiko angalia kijanaa,.
If something cannot come from nothing, and something must come from something else, what did god come from?I Always prefer step-by-step Debate
So you've agreed that Out of nothing come nothing or not?
Of course,if something can not come from nothing,then something must come from something else.
Let me share with you few fact of science.
The total amount of Energy in our entire Universe isn't zero,right?
Because there is no any recorded amount of Negative mass to cancel out the Ordinary mass
Furthermore,the First law of Thermodynamics hold that Actual amount of Energy of Isolated system will always remains fixed
The Universe is gigantic closed system,so it's subjected by the same Law
Therefore,if total energy content of the Universe isn't zero then it wasn't exist from nothing
Because Nothing is state of Zero energy at all
So do you agree with My second premise?
WaitIf something cannot come from nothing, and something must come from something else, what did god come from?
Wait
If it's true that,Nothing can exist from Nothing
And there is something rather than nothing
Then,there must be an Eternal power that brought up every other things into existence
Because in order to unlock the Door,you need the key which must be located outside the house
From that analogy,An eternal power is like a key and existence is the same as stuff inside the house
So,we are left with only two options God or the Universe itself
One of them,might be necessary for existence
In other word,God or the universe must be eternal and uncaused in order to bring up other things into existence
what will be eternal,God or the Universe?
kiranga said:Why do you take this leap? First of all, what is "eternal" ? Is time absolute? You write as if time is absolute!
No,you are mistakenkiranga said:Why should this eternal power be your god and not some other unknown thing?
If you think that,My argument is inconsistent with Einstein's theory of Relativitykiranga said:Your conception of time does not even accommodate Einstein's Theory of Relativity, let alone Quantum Physics, how can you write with such conviction about the logic of the existence.