The so called 'GOD' from religions

[UHURU JR]

Must complexity come from a higher complexity?

Jibu swali, acha kulikimbia.

Mie sio kama wewe,sikimbii swali ila nimekuuliza neno uumbaji ni nini kwanza halafu ndiyo nijibu swali lako.

 

[Kiranga]

Mie sio kama wewe,sikimbii swali ila nimekuuliza neno uumbaji ni nini kwanza halafu ndiyo nijibu swali lako.

Uumbaji ni process inayofanya kitu kiwepo.

Nimekujibu swali lako. Nijibu langu na mimi.

Must complexity be created by a higher complexity?

 

[Kiranga]

"Thibitisha kama mungu yupo" hii sasa imekuwa kama ni nyimbo,siku zote ukitafuta usichokijua hutaweza kukipata.

Hebu mtueleze huo uthibitisho mnaotaka upoje?maana isije mkawa mnatafuta msichokijua,tuambie huo uthibitisho mnaoutaka ni wa kuona,kusikia au kuhisi? Maana kuna wengine wanasema tunaamini kitu ambacho hatujawahi kukiona.

Thibitisha mungu yupo angalau kwa kutumia logical consistency.

 

[Mish Albert]

Thibitisha mungu yupo angalau kwa kutumia logical consistency.

Ok,Let us use Logic to Prove existence of God

But before I begin my proof,I think is better to start with the simple premises that all we agree with.

Let's begin...
It's undeniably true that something exist.Otherwise we would not be here right now in JF
so it's true something exist,and that is my first premise

The second one,Something can never exist from Nothing
Actually this is oldest scientific principle and it is self evident too

Ex nihilo nihil fit,Do you believe it kaka before I proceed with my Argument?

 

[Kiranga]

Ok,Let us use Logic to Prove existence of God

But before I begin my proof,I think is better to start with the simple premises that all we agree with.

Let's begin...
It's undeniably true that something exist.Otherwise we would not be here right now in JF
so it's true something exist,and that is my first premise

The second one,Something can never exist from Nothing
Actually this is oldest scientific principle and it is self evident too

Ex nihilo nihil fit,Do you believe it kaka before I proceed with my Argument?

Nikikubali hayo yote unataka kunipeleka wapi?

If something can never exist from nothing, must something exist from something else?

 

[evansGREATDeal]

Unawezaje kuniambia mvivu wakati umeshindwa hata kuweka hayo maandishi unayoniambia nisome? Akili zako ziko sawa kweli?
Hivi Kati yangu mi na wewe anaeiga ni nani?

unaiga dada kupinga uwepo wa Mungu,...
evidence zimetolewa za maandiko,.. soma post za vCTRMA

 

[Kiranga]

unaiga dada kupinga uwepo wa Mungu,...
evidence zimetolewa za maandiko,.. soma post za vCTRMA

Evidence gani ambayo haijajibiwa?

Umeshathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo?

Umeondoa contradiction ya the problem of evil?

 

[Jimena]

unaiga dada kupinga uwepo wa Mungu,...
evidence zimetolewa za maandiko,.. soma post za vCTRMA

vCTRMA ndo nani? Mbona unaleta ngonjera badala ya fact?
Kwani unashindwa nini kuweka link?

 

[vCTRMA]

Kweli wewe ni Senior member
Sasa hiyo ni comment au Thread

Uzi hauanzishwi ndani ya Uzi

kweli ni mgumu wa kuelewa,...umeshindwa kuelewa nini kmeendelea hapo,...
hiyo tahadhali nimetoa hapa ndani ya hii thread kutahadhalisha watu,...
msiwapotoshe kwa points zenu mfu,...

 

[vCTRMA]

Nikikubali hayo yote unataka kunipeleka wapi?

If something can never exist from nothing, must something exist from something else?

Akupeleke uokoke,...uache dhambi,.....
we huna points za msingi unarukaruka2 ndugu,...
kibuli cha uzima hiko angalia kijanaa,.

 

[Mish Albert]

Nikikubali hayo yote unataka kunipeleka wapi?

If something can never exist from nothing, must something exist from something else?

I Always prefer step-by-step Debate
So you've agreed that Out of nothing come nothing or not?

Of course,if something can not come from nothing,then something must come from something else.

Let me share with you few fact of science.
The total amount of Energy in our entire Universe isn't zero,right?
Because there is no any recorded amount of Negative mass to cancel out the Ordinary mass

Furthermore,the First law of Thermodynamics hold that Actual amount of Energy of Isolated system will always remains fixed
The Universe is gigantic closed system,so it's subjected by the same Law

Therefore,if total energy content of the Universe isn't zero then it wasn't exist from nothing

Because Nothing is state of Zero energy at all

So do you agree with My second premise?

 

[einstein newton]

kweli ni mgumu wa kuelewa,...umeshindwa kuelewa nini kmeendelea hapo,...
hiyo tahadhali nimetoa hapa ndani ya hii thread kutahadhalisha watu,...
msiwapotoshe kwa points zenu mfu,...

Wewe una akili sawa sawa?
Hakuna anayepotosha mtu hapa

Kama huna Uthibitisho wowote kwa Unaloliamini,nitakutofautishaje na Mwendawazimu

Utaaminije kitu ambacho hukijui?

Thibitisha uwepo wa Mungu wako kwanza usikimbilie kutoa tahadhari.

 

[einstein newton]

vCTRMA ndo nani? Mbona unaleta ngonjera badala ya fact?
Kwani unashindwa nini kuweka link?

Huyo Dogo si timamu
Ameambiwa alete huo ushaidi anaodai upo lakini Mpaka sasa hatujauoni

watu wengine wamezoea kuchungwa kama kondoo

Hana uthibitisho wowote zaidi ya Blind faith.

 

[Jimena]

Huyo Dogo si timamu
Ameambiwa alete huo ushaidi anaodai upo lakini Mpaka sasa hatujauoni

watu wengine wamezoea kuchungwa kama kondoo

Hana uthibitisho wowote zaidi ya Blind faith.

Jamani watoto wanasumbua sana, hivi matokeo bado hayajatoka tupumzike kidogo?

 

[Kiranga]

Akupeleke uokoke,...uache dhambi,.....
we huna points za msingi unarukaruka2 ndugu,...
kibuli cha uzima hiko angalia kijanaa,.

Hujajibu maswali umerukia post tu.

Nani anarukaruka sasa?

Niokoke wakati hujaweza hata kuthibitisha kwamba mungu yupo?

 

[Kiranga]

I Always prefer step-by-step Debate
So you've agreed that Out of nothing come nothing or not?

Of course,if something can not come from nothing,then something must come from something else.

Let me share with you few fact of science.
The total amount of Energy in our entire Universe isn't zero,right?
Because there is no any recorded amount of Negative mass to cancel out the Ordinary mass

Furthermore,the First law of Thermodynamics hold that Actual amount of Energy of Isolated system will always remains fixed
The Universe is gigantic closed system,so it's subjected by the same Law

Therefore,if total energy content of the Universe isn't zero then it wasn't exist from nothing

Because Nothing is state of Zero energy at all

So do you agree with My second premise?

If something cannot come from nothing, and something must come from something else, what did god come from?

 

[Mish Albert]

If something cannot come from nothing, and something must come from something else, what did god come from?

Wait

If it's true that,Nothing can exist from Nothing
And there is something rather than nothing

Then,there must be an Eternal power that brought up every other things into existence
Because in order to unlock the Door,you need the key which must be located outside the house

From that analogy,An eternal power is like a key and existence is the same as stuff inside the house

So,we are left with only two options God or the Universe itself
One of them,might be necessary for existence
In other word,God or the universe must be eternal and uncaused in order to bring up other things into existence

what will be eternal,God or the Universe?

 

[HORSE POWER]

Mwanadamu katokana na manii;maji maji dhalili kabisa tahamaki leo amekua KIBURI/JEURI kupindukia.Amekua HASIMU mkubwa wa MUUMBAJI WAKE,na tena ANAKANUSHA vikali uwepo wake.

 

[Kiranga]

Wait

If it's true that,Nothing can exist from Nothing
And there is something rather than nothing

Suppose this is true

Then,there must be an Eternal power that brought up every other things into existence
Because in order to unlock the Door,you need the key which must be located outside the house

Why do you take this leap? First of all, what is "eternal" ? Is time absolute? You write as if time is absolute!

From that analogy,An eternal power is like a key and existence is the same as stuff inside the house

Why should this eternal power be your god and not some other unknown thing?

So,we are left with only two options God or the Universe itself

How do you get to god? How does god get into this mysteriously without an explanation?

One of them,might be necessary for existence

Why might and not must? Why are you diluting your argument with "might"?

In other word,God or the universe must be eternal and uncaused in order to bring up other things into existence

Why do you think that the opposite of one known is another known without considering the myriad configurations of the unknown?

How do you know that your conception of time is not parochial and rather anthropic when we are talking about cosmogony?
Your conception of time does not even accommodate Einstein's Theory of Relativity, let alone Quantum Physics, how can you write with such conviction about the logic of the existence of the universe vis a vis the existence of god?

what will be eternal,God or the Universe?

The question is borne out a poverty of mind that supposes time is absolute, it is not. It also supposes that causality is absolute, quantum physics shows it is not.

 

[Mish Albert]

Why do you take this leap? First of all, what is "eternal" ? Is time absolute? You write as if time is absolute!

As I know,Eternal is ability of Lasting forever,to have no end or beginning

I've not seen any problem between that definition and Relativity of time

Why should this eternal power be your god and not some other unknown thing?

No,you are mistaken

If you examine my argument,you'll see that,I have suggested two options,God or Universe as eternal power
And not God alone.

Your conception of time does not even accommodate Einstein's Theory of Relativity, let alone Quantum Physics, how can you write with such conviction about the logic of the existence.

If you think that,My argument is inconsistent with Einstein's theory of Relativity
then you got it all backward

Can you show how the notion of Eternality violate known laws of Physics
?

How can causation be Relative concept in the first place?