This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

[Jack Daniel's]

Aaah!! - I survived this one - just kidding.

Actually Madam, you, yero, and Jack Daniel's (I like his new avatar of his galaxy) think alike about change. I just have this nagging nervous twitch about our new captain-to-be. This has nothing to do with his health but rather his true motives for wanting this position so bad. You know - kind of a gut feeling that is nagging me?

I think we are all on the same page.

Thank you sir....We have candidates who are less perfect, as there are no perfect candidates.....If we open our eyes and see beyond candidacy, we might see the real choices as opposed to gross choices in this election.....We can't get embroiled into discussing things that have not been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

History tell us that those who have gone through a tough, complex and tedious path of success know that their journey has not been easy....if they were faint-hearted they could have settled for less.......

We have incumbent Presidents who have tried to become Presidents for years before lastly being elected....The idea that by someone persistently standing up even after being knocked down several times is nagging others is just completely wrong.....

 

[Kifyatu]

Thank you sir....We have candidates who are less perfect, as there are no perfect candidates.....If we open our eyes and see beyond candidacy, we might see the real choices as opposed to gross choices in this election.....We can't get embroiled into discussing things that have not been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

History tell us that those who have gone through a tough, complex and tedious path of success know that their journey has not been easy....if they were faint-hearted they could have settled for less.......

We have incumbent Presidents who have tried to become Presidents for years before lastly being elected....The idea that by someone persistently standing up even after being knocked down several times is nagging others is just completely wrong.....

Couldn't agree with you more.

Everyone has health issues (trust me, I know it firsthand, I am aging myself), so I don't want to disparage the geriatrics. I was questioning his financial/business interests in his quest.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I know you directed these statements to yero ,however looking at the strength of the statements and/or accusations, I also wanted to share my thoughts a little....

I am not hiding anything. My core beliefs have always been that CCM has been entrenched for a very long time and that created a bloated bureaucracy. I wanted the opposition (mainly CDM) to take the helm - I mean presidency (just to humble CCM and maybe to cut them down to size).

From UKAWA's own research that ambition wouldn't have been successful with a candidate like Slaa or Lipumba….That's is not from me, that is from their own research. I think everyone who want to win an election has to do some kind of study.

My problem is that UKAWA brought in Lowasa. I have serious doubts with Lowasa and his network (people with business interests in Tanzania, you know - Rostam et al.) Trust me, these are not just empty doubts.

In a democracy, and Tanzania's 1977 constitution…….there are provisions to protect the state and the people from a President whose actions are doubted by at least two third of the parliament (a motion has to be set though)……That's is the first control before own party's check…..These provisions are in place to protect against serious violations, corruptions and inappropriate actions by the President….Keep in mind that all the parties will have MPs….

These people are not trying to get into power to rescue the country and its people but rather to wipe Tanzania clean.

These are just empty doubts…..

(I have expressed it elsewhere in Swahili that "hawa watu hawakuja kuikomboa Tanzania bali kuikomba", hasa hivi sasa tulivyokuwa na utaajiri mkubwa unaobubujika ardhini).

I also heard this from the guys in Green, but to them I ask, what kind of transparency have we seen from them with regards to our natural resources? Haven't we seen some important laws on Gas and Oil being passed in a controversial legal environment?

That is the reason why I have always questioned the true motives of Lowasa crossover into UKAWA,

Cross overs have happened several times with several individuals and in several parties….there is nothing unique….

Does Lowasa really espouse the same ideals that CDM stood for over the years?

In 1995, Chadema convinced Mrema to stand for President of the URT at their party just months before election…when that failed CDM supported Mrema, the then NCCR candidate and they didn't present a candidate themselves in that election…..much like how TLP has endorsed Lowassa in CDM now…..My point is, it doesn't take years to stand for ideals that have taken years to build…..It is just a change of mindset…….

Why did he have to buy his way in, in the tune of Tsh. 20 billion?

You don't buy hearsays, do you? Well you said 20 Billion, I can say 50 Billion or 100 Billion and you think everybody is going to buy that?

Why did intellectuals in UKAWA the likes of Prof. Lipumba and Dr. Slaa jump ship?

I also heard this from CCM…..I am glad they jumped off....Why would Lipumba agree with everything in the first place? Why would Slaa orchestrate the whole process only to walk away because of his girlfriend?

Why does UKAWA try to muzzle anyone who is questioning this transition?

If it is Slaa, Lipumba and the likes that you are referring to….You have to understand that CCM want us to get busy dealing with non-essential stuffs and thereby giving them a 'larger room' for campaign….Easy as Pie……These are just tactics and this is not 1995 because CDM is mature enough to understand this game…

If this is PEOPLES POWER, then why are people stifled from speaking freely in the streets against UKAWA? (don't have proof on this)

You don't have to take their words for it, you can always go down to the streets and find out the truth…..

I have many more doubts than I care to list, but you get the gist.

I think you've bought in a lot of propagandas that are coming from the guys in green…..

I like CDM BUT I don't trust Lowasa. What to do?

If you have a strong ground that you stood on, come wind come rain, you'll still be on that ground, the problem is when you've have been standing on a shaky ground all along!!!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Couldn't agree with you more.

Everyone has health issues (trust me, I know it firsthand, I am aging myself), so I don't want to disparage the geriatrics. I was questioning his financial/business interests in his quest.

Mwai Kibaki was an old guy in 2002, and he wasn't perfectly healthy, he was 71 that was 9 years older than Lowassa.....That was the time Kenyans were making changes when NARC defeated an old KANU....

The point here is that, stronger opposition came from within......and that without such guys like Lowassa you can't get CCM out of power......(consolidating statement)

In Nigeria, Muhammadu Buhari was 72 years of age at the time (2015) APC defeated PDP....That is 10 years older than Lowassa....Nigerians then decided to end the ruling party's dynasty.....

Those type of questions are not new in this kind of politics.....and then we should ask ourselves, what are Kikwete's interests in pushing so hard for Magufuli to succeed him?....What does he want Magufuli to protect?

 

[kui]

Mwai Kibaki was an old guy in 2002, and he wasn't perfectly healthy, he was 71 that was 9 years older than Lowassa.....That was the time Kenyans were making changes when NARC defeated an old KANU....

The point here is that, stronger opposition came from within......and that without such guys like Lowassa you can't get CCM out of power......(consolidating statement)

In Nigeria, Muhammadu Buhari was 72 years of age at the time (2015) APC defeated PDP....That is 10 years older than Lowassa....Nigerians then decided to end the ruling party's dynasty.....

Those type of questions are not new in this kind of politics.....and then we should ask ourselves, what are Kikwete's interests in pushing so hard for Magufuli to succeed him?....What does he want Magufuli to protect?

This question kinda worries me, if there's Kikwete&comp. interests behind Magufuli ccm ain't going down quietly or will refuse to go down all together. I don't trust them to the point that, in case they genuinely win the election (God Forbid) I still won't buy it even with the fact that am a nobody in their world.

 

[yero]

I salute you Jack for your remarkable and laconic replies to the statements above (A Million Likes), I'm just going to add a few things with regards to my response to Kifyatu's questions:

Does Lowasa really espouse the same ideals that CDM stood for over the years?

Before welcoming Lowassa to their party, CDM explained that they held a Central Committee meeting called by Slaa, Wilbroad to liaise the differences and iron out some of the hurdles that could hinder that process. Majority made a decision. Speaking of the ideals!!! now that depend on how you will see the individual's actions and reactions!!

Why did he have to buy his way in, in the tune of Tsh. 20 billion?

I don't know about that!!!! unless you provide me with some evidence of transaction.

Why did intellectuals in UKAWA the likes of Prof. Lipumba and Dr. Slaa jump ship?

I won't actually prefer those individuals as intellectuals. Just like any other party, people come and go. It is now clear that there is no one bigger than the party. The circumstances with which they stepped down are questionable and the statements that they subsequently made are vague!!

Why does UKAWA try to muzzle anyone who is questioning this transition?

Who has been muzzled!!!! Because UKAWA also came out to explain their side of story, one shouldn't judge by listening to one side of story and what transpired after that is up to individuals to make their own verdicts. There are those who want to spend years on that issue and there are those who prefer to move on.

If this is PEOPLES POWER, then why are people stifled from speaking freely in the streets against UKAWA? (don't have proof on this)

Nobody is stifled from speaking freely against anything!!!! Personally I speak freely about and against anything anywhere. There are CCM supporters in the streets, for Christ's sake!!!! they speak freely on anything. CDM doesn't have the means to implement such a prohibition, may be CCM can.

I have many more doubts than I care to list, but you get the gist.

So yero man, you got me here (I don't know the answer to your question).

I like CDM BUT I don't trust Lowasa. What to do?

Politics is about trust, and if somebody ask me whether or not I trust CCM, I think my answer is NO, I don't trust them, I'll go for UKAWA instead. If Lowassa was running for President as a CCM candidate, I wouldn't have voted for him.

My friend, you've serious trust issues, I'm not a psycho-analyst and I don't think you are suffering from psychological problems. You are an undecided voter!!!!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

This question kinda worries me, if there's Kikwete&comp. interests behind Magufuli ccm ain't going down quietly or will refuse to go down all together. I don't trust them to the point that, in case they genuinely win the election (God Forbid) I still won't buy it even with the fact that am a nobody in their world.

I hope that CCM have learnt a lesson from Kenya.....Looking at Kikwete's movements, I can tell that his interests are at risk but I believe that with the growth of self determination and ICT, people will vote and count their own votes....

CCM might be planning some election rigging as they have done before as part of their efforts to disregard the voters' voice.....But I think their success will depend in part on UKAWA's weaknesses....

UKAWA has to make sure that thousands of people attending their political rallies actually turn up the same way on the voting day....

In this election everyone has a role to play to make sure that the election results are nothing but genuine....

 

[rpg]

We will never chose failures.

#HapaKaziTu.

System overhaul is most wanted, and the means is Lowassa and Ukawa!

 

[rpg]

I salute you Jack for your remarkable and laconic replies to the statements above (A Million Likes), I'm just going to add a few things with regards to my response to Kifyatu's questions:


Before welcoming Lowassa to their party, CDM explained that they held a Central Committee meeting called by Slaa, Wilbroad to liaise the differences and iron out some of the hurdles that could hinder that process. Majority made a decision. Speaking of the ideals!!! now that depend on how you will see the individual's actions and reactions!!

I don't know about that!!!! unless you provide me with some evidence of transaction.

I won't actually prefer those individuals as intellectuals. Just like any other party, people come and go. It is now clear that there is no one bigger than the party. The circumstances with which they stepped down are questionable and the statements that they subsequently made are vague!!

Who has been muzzled!!!! Because UKAWA also came out to explain their side of story, one shouldn't judge by listening to one side of story and what transpired after that is up to individuals to make their own verdicts. There are those who want to spend years on that issue and there are those who prefer to move on.

Nobody is stifled from speaking freely against anything!!!! Personally I speak freely about and against anything anywhere. There are CCM supporters in the streets, for Christ's sake!!!! they speak freely on anything. CDM doesn't have the means to implement such a prohibition, may be CCM can.

Politics is about trust, and if somebody ask me whether or not I trust CCM, I think my answer is NO, I don't trust them, I'll go for UKAWA instead. If Lowassa was running for President as a CCM candidate, I wouldn't have voted for him.

My friend, you've serious trust issues, I'm not a psycho-analyst and I don't think you are suffering from psychological problems. You are an undecided voter!!!!

Inspirational! With such terrific responses, i wonder why one shouldn't vote for UKAWA.

Viva roma viva, Lowassa for change.

 

[Kifyatu]

Mwai Kibaki was an old guy in 2002, and he wasn't perfectly healthy, he was 71 that was 9 years older than Lowassa.....That was the time Kenyans were making changes when NARC defeated an old KANU....

The point here is that, stronger opposition came from within......and that without such guys like Lowassa you can't get CCM out of power......(consolidating statement)

In Nigeria, Muhammadu Buhari was 72 years of age at the time (2015) APC defeated PDP....That is 10 years older than Lowassa....Nigerians then decided to end the ruling party's dynasty.....

Those type of questions are not new in this kind of politics.....and then we should ask ourselves, what are Kikwete's interests in pushing so hard for Magufuli to succeed him?....What does he want Magufuli to protect?

I am not sure what part of my response that "I couldn't agree with you more" didn't you understand? I will have to speak more plainly from now on. That statement means "I agree with you, strongly!"

I am not raising neither age nor ailment issues in my concerns. I hope Lowasa wins. I am just giving you a heads-up (an alert) that we may be in for a rough ride. This is why I said maybe he should have made a pledge to uphold CDM ideals.

Please don't ask me again questions about CCM, Magufuli, or Kikwete. I am not their apologist and it is rather insulting to me.

 

[Kifyatu]

With all due respect folks kui, yero, Jack Daniel's, I am getting rather tired going through these cyclical arguments.

If you don't understand me and my position by now then it is futile to continue with this discourse.

I am sure we will interact in other topics in the future.

Ciao.

 

[Taffman]

My brother jack daniels,lowassa will never bring any positive change for the betterment of this country,he is been the alleged of squandering the economy of the country for years yet today is coming out with another shape of changing and improving the economy of the country,this is an open lies,he cant bring anything positive not only him even ukawa cant and this is merely cheap politics for cheap ideas like yours.lowassa and his mates can not bring any positive change by simply defecting from ccm to ukawa,is this the change that this nation needs,a shift in position! sorry for you guys.
My take:ccm or ukawa will never change your life,magufuli and lowassa are struggling for their own life so keep fighting for your own good life and stop these nonesense

 

[FaizaFoxy]

System overhaul is most wanted, and the means is Lowassa and Ukawa!

Lowassa is kaput no overhaul can rescue him. Pity.

 

[rpg]

Yes, very pity as it seems you have been experiencing long sleepless and restless nights thinking about how things are falling apart at the green camp!

Changes are inevitable, Mark my words!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I am not sure what part of my response that "I couldn't agree with you more" didn't you understand? I will have to speak more plainly from now on. That statement means "I agree with you, strongly!"

I am not raising neither age nor ailment issues in my concerns. I hope Lowasa wins. I am just giving you a heads-up (an alert) that we may be in for a rough ride. This is why I said maybe he should have made a pledge to uphold CDM ideals.

Please don't ask me again questions about CCM, Magufuli, or Kikwete. I am not their apologist and it is rather insulting to me.

I couldn't agree with you less…..

VIOLET: You induced misgivings in Lowassa's fettle indirectly at post #126……..And at post #137, you questioned Financial/business interests in Lowassa's quest…….

RED: We are already entangled in a rough ride and actually the ride is well-nigh at the finish line…..

GREEN: Issued about ideals have been touched at the prefatory….

ORANGE: Those were not channeled questions, they were your opinions (this is a productive colloquy remember?), as every idea matter, just like you quizzed yero about Lowassa…..

With all due respect folks kui, yero, Jack Daniel's, I am getting rather tired going through these cyclical arguments.

If you don't understand me and my position by now then it is futile to continue with this discourse.

I am sure we will interact in other topics in the future.

Ciao.

TURQUOISE: I'm sorry that you are getting knackered in this confab which you deem as an argy-bargy…however that defines the quiddity of a productive discussion….

GOLD: We may be in the ibidem, but it would have been optimal to unbosom yourself….instead of being Shilly shally with regards to your position…..

TEAL: I am not unsurprised you absquatulated….

 

[Jack Daniel's]

My brother jack daniels,lowassa will never bring any positive change for the betterment of this country,he is been the alleged of squandering the economy of the country for years yet today is coming out with another shape of changing and improving the economy of the country,this is an open lies,he cant bring anything positive not only him even ukawa cant and this is merely cheap politics for cheap ideas like yours.lowassa and his mates can not bring any positive change by simply defecting from ccm to ukawa,is this the change that this nation needs,a shift in position! sorry for you guys.
My take:ccm or ukawa will never change your life,magufuli and lowassa are struggling for their own life so keep fighting for your own good life and stop these nonesense

Can you provide little clarification on the following highlights:

RED: How do you know?

GREEN: Why don't you stand for something tangible, rather than allegations?

BLUE: How can you tell?

VIOLET: Is he the first defector?

CYAN: How do you define ‘shift in position'?

GOLD: Now this is tommyrot, according to you, government does not have a role to play in anybody's life? Where do you put taxation, laws, infrastructures, policies, health, education, peace and security, natural resources, freedom, human rights etc. do you have control over them?

 

[yero]

With all due respect folks kui, yero, Jack Daniel's, I am getting rather tired going through these cyclical arguments.

If you don't understand me and my position by now then it is futile to continue with this discourse.

I am sure we will interact in other topics in the future.

Ciao.

Ooooooopps, I didn't know that you were weak in debates, such that when people don't agree with you or you don't agree with them you skedaddle just like Slaa and Lipumba.

 

[Kifyatu]

Ooooooopps, I didn't know that you were weak in debates, such that when people don't agree with you or you don't agree with them you skedaddle just like Slaa and Lipumba.

I enjoy debates but I don't play merry-go-round games anymore. You and Jack Daniel's keep repeating and rehashing the same arguments that I had responded to several postings before. This is childish.

And Jack Daniel's, you are wrong. I couldn't agree with you more means I agree with you strongly. It is not I couldn't agree with you less, as you put it. I couldn't agree with you less means I completely disagree with you.

I am practically a native English speaker. I teach and conduct all my day-to-day business in this language for over 40 years now. Please don't try to school me.

Just for your benefit, you may want to google the meaning of this expression, or follow this link.
http://www.talkenglish.com/lessondetails.aspx?ALID=1071

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I enjoy debates but I don't play merry-go-round games anymore. You and Jack Daniel's keep repeating and rehashing the same arguments that I had responded to several postings before. This is childish.

And Jack Daniel's, you are wrong. I couldn't agree with you more means I agree with you strongly. It is not I couldn't agree with you less, as you put it. I couldn't agree with you less means I completely disagree with you.

I am practically a native English speaker. I teach and conduct all my day-to-day business in this language for over 40 years now. Please don't try to school me.

I thought you asked penta-questions in post #135…..and I shared my thoughts at post #138 which clearly were not repetitions…..

I appreciate the fact that you explained the difference between those statements, but I didn’t dispute the meaning of your statements in the first place…..

I just highlighted them in GOLDEN ROD color at post # 150 to recognize that you agree with me only to disagree with me in the content of your post, I also BLUED where you said ‘you’ll now be speaking plainly’....That’s why I said I didn’t agree with you on the four highlights I indicated on the first quote…..

Now you can see, there was no schooling....

 

[yero]

I enjoy debates but I don't play merry-go-round games anymore. You and Jack Daniel's keep repeating and rehashing the same arguments that I had responded to several postings before. This is childish.

Come down sir, relax,

You told me the reasons why you questioned the true motives of Lowassa crossover into UKAWA. You also said you like CDM but don't trust Lowassa.

I have tried to weigh your reasons of doubts and they are not 'complete mind changer'. Nobody who likes CDM goes for green.