This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

I just wanted to keep you, Jack Daniel's and yero, on notice that I will only respond to short questions.

You guys may be doing this for a living but I don't. I have a day job and my time is precious and limited.

This sentence by sentence, bullet point by bullet point rebuttals may work for you but it is a waste of time for me.

If you really need my opinion then distill your questions into a short paragraph or two. I don't think there will be anything new that we haven't talked about already here.

Fair warning.

cc. kui
 
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DON'T DODGE MY QUESTIONS, I'm testing your theory sir:

Thank you for the compliments. However, it looks like this is your day job. Some of us have to do other things for a living. If an argument cannot be explained in a couple of paragraphs then we are wasting time. You will be shocked if I told you how much they pay me for an hour of my thinking.
At the moment I will indulge you. However, in the future, can we keep these interactions short?
You don’t know my day job, I don’t know yours…let’s keep it that way, the same way I don’t know your earnings and you don’t know mine….it has got nothing to do with this thread!!!

I keep interactions how I want them to be, short or long it is my choice, because your understanding is not what I thought it was, they’ll be long enough to open your mind..…..
I don't know how civilization and ethics come into play here. We have all known of the divisions (makundi) within CCM. That is what you get when a party becomes too big to manage. That is why I wanted it scaled down. However, the divisions within CCM are known and are manageable. Such divisions also exist in CDM and other parties and Ican live with them. Divisions within UKAWA are not fully known and I can bet my bottom shilling that they cannot be managed in their current form.

JD man, I am getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again. Really, stop this. It is a form of intellectual abuse. In the past I already addressed these questions appearing in the last three paragraphs above. I am not trying to be rude (don't have a bone of rudeness in my body) but I will not dignify those questions with my answers.
You have a theory of ‘viable opposition’ and I’m testing your theory and I have to put the questions back again to you, kindly respond…..

According to your hypothesis of replacement with viable opposition, CCM should still continuously rule despite their failure to deliver on their preceding promises??? YES or NO..If the answer is YES,why do parties campaign?? If the answer is NO,why shouldn’t we punish under performance??

Between Group (A) and (B) below,which one will bring development to the people???A or B
Group A:Group of uncorrupt individuals in unison at this point and agreeing to disagree.
Group B:Group of corrupt persons working in tandem arrangement.
No one feeds me dogma. I wish you knew me in person. I am not trying to do anything toUKAWA here. You are the one who started this thread – remember,way back when? Unlike you, I am not asking anyone to do what I will do. My decision matrix has been evolving throughout this period. It means that I think, evaluate, decide, change decisions as facts on the ground are revealed. You Sir, in contrast, have been stuck in the same gear all along. Your choice– not mine.

Stop invoking what happened in other countries. They don't impress me. Let us deal with our own problems in our own backyard. What happened in other countries inform us not to repeat similar obvious mistakes but that is where they stop. I will reiterate my objection. Don'task me the questions I already addressed here in your thread in thepast. I am not a CCM apologist. CCM is not an angel. They have donemany bad things and that is why I wanted them out in the first place. But to replace CCM with the current UKAWA – that will be our doom. Stop convincing me otherwise. We are now down to the wire and I am not changing my mind.
You are getting all goose bumps with CCM upsides you shouldn’t avoid them on their downsides, remember you are supporting their candidate? Please deal with CCM’s downsides as well….

Other countries are important…because for example the candidate you are supporting is saying that with opposition in power we can have Tanzania evolving into some Tunisia, Egypt and Libya’s scenarios….and you have a similar theory that say UKAWA in office will create disaster for this country…….

I’m testing your analysis again, and I’m putting the question back to you and kindly answer…

What do you have to say say about Escrow, Richmond, Meremeta, Mwananchi Gold, Import Commodity Support (CIS), EPA, ANBEN, Simba Trust,Kinana’s Ivory business, Magufuli’s Fake ferry boat and Kebby’s Hotel, Selling of government residential houses, Ridhiwani’s illegal drug business etc.???Do you mean we shouldn’t worry about these???YES or NO.If the answer is YES,how can the government expenditure help fulfil the promises in campaigns??,if the answer is NO,why should we put back a corrupt system??

I told you no one is feeding me information. Ideas are mine and mine alone. So your reference to backroom boys was directed at me. BOY is an epithet if you are addressing a man. The colonialists used to call our fathers and grandfathers“boys”. Slave owners in the US called all their male slaves boys. When you hear an African American person calling you “man”, it is a sign of respect that was not accorded to them by the slave masters. So I take offense when someone calls me BOY.
You keep bringing these comparisons with what happened in Kenya. That is Kenya and this is Tanzania. If you wish to discuss Kenya politics, there is a whole arena in JF dedicated to them – go there. Remember, that is where we first met? - Small world.
I am still testing your theory with practical examples…..you said UKAWA will create a disaster in this country when elected because it was formed hastily after constitutional debate…..I’m bringing a Kenyan example so it can help us test your theory….please answer…..

NARC was similarly formed with remarkable celerity in the aftermath of the Kenyan constitutional referendum, they ended up winning the election of 2002 and ousting and annihilating KANU and bringing progress not disasters to the Kenyan people. Does your theory of “quickly formed unions creating disasters” holds here????YES or NO...If YES,.how??..If NO,why??
You haven't told us how will power be shared between the parties after elections. You just told us “99%is done” – what is done? Short of detailed explanation this is just a blow of hot air. If other people are OK with not knowing the details fine, they can gamble with UKAWA. However, I know there are problems and you, not even the whole UKAWA squad, cannot sway me.
I am going to repeat what I said previously……We have a Nigeria and Kenyan example for analysis….I’m surprised you don’t have any example to back up your theory….please bring one in your next response……

History tells us, that is has never been…..APC(Nigeria) didn’t disclose their power sharing structure any time before the election….NARC(Kenya) didn’t do it…the point I’m making is that, it neither cost an election victory nor create a disaster.
What is repugnant is to engage in a discourse with a political fundamentalist.You don't even listen to me. Anything I say flies right past you while you are thinking of a clever way to retort.

I think you are a lawyer – probably just passed your bar exams. This is not a courtroom. “Answer now, YES OR NO?” Here we are engaged in a civil discourse and as for your last set of questions, I will not dignify them with answers. They are stupid questions. Which board passed you in your bar exams? Really, I would like to know.
I’m testing your theory of ‘internal problems creating disasters when opposition parties win elections’….Please answer those questions….you can’t just continue to dodge them…..

The following is a Nigerian case study……

{The resolution to form APC (ruling party) in Nigeria was signed by Tom Ikimi, the who represented the ACN; Annie Okonkwo on behalf of the APGA; , Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau, the Chairman of ANPP's Merger Committee; and Garba Shehu, the Chairman of CPC's Merger Committee. Surprisingly, less than 2 years before the party's historic victory in the 2015 elections, TOP LEADERS Annie Okonkwo, Tom Ikimi and Ibrahim Shekarau resigned from the party and joined the PDP}

Does your theory of unviable opposition hold in this case??YES or NO..if the answer is YES,tell me the disasters in Nigeria, if the answer is NO,your theory is unfounded….
You are the one who said CCM was behind Slaa and Lipumba's departure. I think it was within my rights to ask you - what proof do you have, my learned brother?

I don't need to keep my fingers on any pulse. I have my own life, I just know that Tanzanians (that includes the majority of my family members) will fare worse if UKAWA,in its current version, takes over. I make my own decisions and I inform all my immediate and extended family members of the reasons for my decisions. They can do whatever they want
You need to make informed analysis….that includes reading papers and getting updated with what is transpiring in this election, because if you don’t, you become more vulnerable to dogmas and propagandas like in your situation now…..

The faring worse theory is what I’m putting to test, and for that theory to hold up it has to hold true after scrutiny…..so please kindly answer my questions….I will not give them up as long as you keeping repeating your fake theory…..

Now I know I am dealing with an imbecile. Did you really understand the essence of my response? Sometimes it makes me wonder why I even bother interacting with nitwits like you.
Insults and derogatory statements are not productiveand they only give a clear indication of weaknesses in the strength of yourarguments…..

Gees. You have no clue, do you? I just pointed out flaws that were made in your research and you don't even care? I just told you that I am an expert in GAME THEORY and you say that is irrelevant. I told you that they didn't anticipate CCM's response and you ask me - how can I tell? Are you a moron? An expert is giving you a professional evaluation and you dismiss him?
Again insults are weakening your own intelligence…..Anybody can say he/she is an expert in anything in this forum as long as they using unverified names and nobody can see their certificates or licenses of operation….The point is there is a lot of research going on you can volunteer to give your advices….

I told you that there were more than one organization given the task…and research companies have their own methodologies….If you are intending to question the research work why don’t you doubt the whole research rather than just part of it (data analysis)????…..Data analysis is not the only element in research that can render a study wrong....
 
Jack I told you to stop babysitting this scumbag and you wouldn't listen, now you see all those insults?

I repeat this guy is a douchebag. You have been so nice man and look at what you are getting.
 
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I just wanted to keep you, Jack Daniel's and yero, on notice that I will only respond to short questions.

You guys may be doing this for a living but I don't. I have a day job and my time is precious and limited.

This sentence by sentence, bullet point by bullet point rebuttals may work for you but it is a waste of time for me.

If you really need my opinion then distill your questions into a short paragraph or two. I don't think there will be anything new that we haven't talked about already here.

Fair warning.

cc. kui

You know nothing about me you stupid idiot.

Don't you understand, nobody needs you worn out ideas, take them to your friends in CCM. Keep your empty brain to yourself you piece of shht
 
Jack I told you to stop babysitting this scumbag and you wouldn't listen, now you see all those insults?

I repeat this guy is a douchebag. You have been so nice man and look at what you are getting.
I understand that people differ in their thinking capacities and my friend there, his ability to understand and analyse things is not good enough....the other thing is emotional intelligence, he lacks that...so what do we do? He want us behave how he want us to, and I'm just gonna be me.

I forgive him for those insults because they don't hurt me, I think my statements caused him pain.
 
You have been a CCM member for decades, I assume you still hold the membership card like Dr. Slaa. UKAWA is a perfect agreement and there nothing like a mess in that union. That's a laughable comment.

This is not about emotional entrenchment, it is about CCM's failed promises of 'Maisha bora kwa kila mtanzania'. When it comes to elections like this and I can see that we've made many steps backwards instead of forward, then there has to be replacement of parties. You say they have internal problems, I say they don't, well, it is CCM that has internal problems plus corruption, it is a pure Redline. But it seems to you, problems like corruption, poor quality of education, lack of drugs in hospitals, Tanzanians not benefiting from their own natural resources, lack of industries and so on doesn't mean a thing. Your problem is a power sharing plan. That's so limited.

I can see everything clearly and surprisingly I can see how corrupt CCM is more than you.

Yes, I still have my TANU card and my CCM card. I just checked my safe. Now I can report that I was a dully paid member of CCM from 1977 to 1984. Then I stopped. So there, lynch me if you want.

This is no secret and I am proud to keep these mementos for my family long after I am gone. People these days move from party to party and they burn or surrender their old cards. This is dumb. Those cards are historical family treasures (heirlooms).

Yero, I think differently from you. You have made up your mind and I have made up mine. Let us just agree to disagree.
 
I understand that people differ in their thinking capacities and my friend there, his ability to understand and analyse things is not good enough....the other thing is emotional intelligence, he lacks that...so what do we do? He want us behave how he want us to, and I'm just gonna be me.

I forgive him for those insults because they don't hurt me, I think my statements caused him pain.

No offence that brainless doltish is a chuckleheaded dopey.

There is nothing valuable coming from him, he is going to get you mad.Mkuu, I suggest you ignore him.
 
I understand that people differ in their thinking capacities and my friend there, his ability to understand and analyse things is not good enough....the other thing is emotional intelligence, he lacks that...so what do we do? He want us behave how he want us to, and I'm just gonna be me.

I forgive him for those insults because they don't hurt me, I think my statements caused him pain.


Sticks and stones will break my bones
But words will never harm me.

Do you know this
nursery rhyme, JD, yero and kui?
 
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No offence that brainless doltish is a chuckle headed dopey.

There is nothing valuable coming from him, he is going to get you mad. Mkuu, I suggest you ignore him.

Ignore is good.

Dopeys like to be ignored.

cc. Jack Daniel's, kui
 
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You know nothing about me you stupid idiot.

Don't you understand, nobody needs you worn out ideas, take them to your friends in CCM. Keep your empty brain to yourself you piece of shht

I am sorry I ruffled your feathers young man. When you enter big leagues expect tougher counter punches. Don't resort to insults because people will know you are a sore loser.

cc. Jack Daniel's and kui
 
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I am sorry I ruffled your feathers young man. When you enter big leagues expect tougher counter punches. Don't resort to insults because people will know you are a sore loser.

cc. Jack Daniel's and kui

I saw your insults too when you insulted jack, there is nothing you know you asshh-hole.
 
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Jack I told you to stop babysitting this scumbag and you wouldn't listen, now you see all those insults?

I repeat this guy is a douche bag. You have been so nice man and look at what you are getting.

So you two Dumb & Dumber were baby siting me, huh?

Oooh, don't get disappointed, you still have a chance to put me to sleep. Just keep those questions short and sweet. I love a good lullaby.
 
So you two Dumb & Dumber were baby siting me, huh?

Oooh, don't get disappointed, you still have a chance to put me to sleep. Just keep those questions short and sweet. I love a good lullaby.

What do you want you piece of ccrap
 
DON'T DODGE MY QUESTIONS, I'm testing your theory sir:

I keep interactions how I want them to be, short or long it is my choice, because your understanding is not what I thought it was, they'll be long enough to open your mind..…..

I will stop you right here.

You do not dictate what I respond to. I already gave you a fair warning that I will not respond to "sentence by sentence rebuttals". I meant it.

If you wish to rephrase your questions in a short paragraph or two I will respond. I will not indulge you to this nonsense.

So, there.
 
What is your opinion on the following highlights?
RED: Where do they work, in a timocracy?

BLUE: Millions of individual decisions makes up the choice, don't you think?

GOLD: Aspirations are developments, when a system has failed to meet the aspirations and/or expectations of its people, people get tired of it, just people are tired of CCM.

VIOLET:What if 99% of players are corrupt, can there be development?

TURQUOISE: Who do you think are many, between those who just vote and those who punish?...Answer that with reference to a few ruling parties in Africa that have been ousted.​
We have to quote or do research on democracy,voting and punish Vote in a number of countries worldwide to come up with some trends in the issues you raised. I agree with you that they all matter!
 
kui, are you now Princess Lady?
Are you planning to "LABUA" me in the future guilt free? Just kidding - LOL.

Hahah!, no Mkuu, am not Princess L, won't do that to you!

Ignore is good.

Dopeys like to be ignored.
cc. Jack Daniel's, kui

Nothing Sir. Just to say hi.

Wow!, you guys, I don't think I can be a referee anymore, I better stick to my daytime job...lol!

You kept your cool unbelievably well, and after all's said and done hopefully we can patch up the hard feelings (if any)
 
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