This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

[kui]

No, what??? that bastard calling herself kui, not in a million years.

Heheh!, poor you, not all lips stays quiet!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

These are hosts of stuffs, looks like you gave a little bit of thought before posting, Lets find out:

You know JD, I am not going to answer your questions sentence by sentence instead I will just talk to you, man-to-man. You are trying to prove theories by propositions, contradictions and tautologies. This is not a philosophy class, this is real politic. Sometimes hunches and intelligent insights (especially from people who have been on the face of this earth for as long as I have) are more useful than rigorous logical analyses and conclusions.

When you are making judgmental opinions, there has to be clear standards with respect to how you arrived there, much like an auditor has to indicate the audit findings that have enabled him to form the audit opinion…..In politics we've got to be able to distinguish between facts and opinions and the recognition of bias amongst people. Politics should be relevant to practical issues and politics is always adapting and evolving to the changing world. That is not philosophy, that is science.

I will give you an example. The day the video of Lowasa in a Lutheran church in Tabora was released, I advised UKAWA to immediately arrange a press conference so that Lowasa can explain himself what he meant and apologize to anyone who was offended. I even gave the verbiage of an example to use "liking his statement to family rituals (tambiko) where clan elders pray to the ancestors to help at least one clan member to go to Ikulu." People do it all the time and if it is explained from a tambiko perspective most Tanzanians would understand. I suggested that this had to be done immediately to diffuse the situation.

UKAWA did not do it. Instead, some surrogates paid lip services and let it go. Look what is happening now. The Muslims just issued a press release condemning Lowasa and his right hand man - Bishop Gwajima. This is a serious PR problem now for UKAWA. If they had diffused the situation then, now it would be old news and wouldn't have the traction it is getting. For me it was a no-brainer when I gave that advice. Intuitively, I knew if it was left unexplained by Lowasa himself it could anger a group or it could be used by CCM.

This is hypocrisy….while you were busy advicing UKAWA, what advices did you give to CCM with regards to messages like "mwaka huu mchagueni wa nyumbani" to the people of the lake regions, what about the famous Nape's "bao la mkono", what about Ridhiwani's "Rais hawezi kutoka kaskazini", What about Mkapa's "Wapumbavu, malofa, mbumbumbu"…..

BTW what about videos going viral about muslims being adviced by their leaders not to vote for CCM this year? I want you to understand that there are a lot of Muslim videos out there, let's put them aside and let's get to the facts…and some are often disowned by majority of them….what you should have done is to condemn that video or any such video wherever it appears because a few leaders of religion should not decide for millions of people who their next President should be….. that's is stupid…..

We haven't seen leaders of Christian churches (including Lutherans) setting up stages and telling people which candidate to vote for even though they are showing their own individual preferences like me and you……..
I'm not a Lutheran but I don't feel isolated in anyway….I think that is due to the fact that I'm not easily carried away by people preaching religious differences…..

Nevertheless, there is nothing serious about the Lutheran issue and I know it often get exaggerated by Lowassa's opponents, where I live I have a lot of Muslims neighbors, and they are fed up with CCM, I think partly because they recognize that problems we face as a nation are neither Muslim problems nor Christian problems, they are Tanzanian problems.

Now tell me, since you like quoting examples from all over the world, which presidential candidate insulted a major tribe or a major religion in a country and was rewarded by being elected? Stubbornness like yours, Lissu's, and the like is what is killing UKAWA. You don't take advises. You just argue for the sake of argument. This has put CDM in the position it is now.

Kikwete. He said in 2010 CDM will favour Christians and CUF will favour Muslims, so people were confused by the conundrum createdby then then presidential candidate. He even said CDM will favor the Chaggas. He was elected President for the second term. What I'm saying is that many people are self-determined not to be driven by CCM's propagandas that worked several years ago. I always say before you give advices to the other side, first look at your side and ask yourself, Do my side need this advice??

CDM, a party whose name when mentioned used to bring fear to other parties including CCM, is now reduced to a basket case party - to be pitied? There are too many captains guiding this ship - UKAWA and the ship is going in circles. This is the internal instability I have been talking about but would you listen to me, Noooo!

There are internal disputes in CCM, is January Makamba the new PR, haven't you heard how CCM's campaign team is split apart? I always tell you, before you accuse the other side, take a look at your side and ask yourself, Do my side have this problem?....May be you think people don't know or maybe you don'tknow……

In 2010 CDM was stalking and harassing CCM to have presidential debates and CCM ran away - today CDM has become this timid - really? Are there any more thinkers left in UKAWA? Who is in charge in UKAWA? Is it possible to have the old CDM back, please?

Do you think it is possible to have CCM of Nyerere back to replace the corrupt CCM that we have now? A president who doesn't know why Tanzanians are poor!!!!do you think Nyerere would have said that? Do you think there is anything that CCM can tell people in that debate???

I'm just thinking about what might be said in that debate, economy is doing bad, many people are jobless, many people are poor, millions of people are not healthy, no clean and safe water, electricity is a disaster, contracts regarding our natural resources are not transparent, the President spend Tsh. 4.5 Trillion just in foreign visits, The state house distracted accountability on Escrow beneficiaries, the system is so corrupt and rotten (Meremeta, Mwananchi Gold, EPA, CIS, Richmond/Dowans/Symbion, Kinana's Ivory business, ANBEN, Simba Trust etc) the list is just so long….I think that debate would be a waste of time…

US got its independence in 1776, but the first general Presidential debates was not held until 1960 (John F Kennedy - Richard Nixon), that is 184 years later….the point is, when you have a corrupt system to the level of Mohammad Reza Shah's Pahlavi dynasty before the 1979 Iranian revolution…you don't call for debates, you call for changes, changes that free people……

No one gives Lowasa any useful advice. He surrounds himself with fellow CCM implants and you guys let them? The message from the Muslim organization to all Muslims in the country will definitely eat away UKAWA's votes. It doesn't matter whether it is from a few people or was instigated by CCM. The fact remains that Lowasa missed an opportunity to diffuse it because of the stubbornness of people like you. You don't have to do analysis all the time. Sometimes intuition is better than data analysis.

You are really trying, but I'm sorry the is no new trick or gimmick coming from CCM…those people you call implants know the game really well, don't you think?..because they have played it before….. So, eventually CDM took some players from CCM and gave them positions in the middlefield, defense and striking, they know the weaknesses in CCM's defense, middlefield and goalkeeping and they have shared that with UKAWA.

My grandpa used to say "AKILI NYINGI HUPUNGUZA MAARIFA"

My great grandpa told me "AKILI NI NYWELE, KILA MTU ANA ZAKE"

 

[yero]

Heheh!, poor you, not all lips stays quiet!

May be the lips of your nasty ugly p

 

[yero]

Haha!, look who's talkin' does the king of insults ever get offended?!,...so how does it feel Jerk!

You talk so much shit, I'm starting to smell it on your breath.

 

[Hikloch]

Change of attitude, action and even practice depends much on the type and amount of information one gets over a period of time (it can be one day). Lowasa received adequate information about the instability of CCM and decided to change and shift to CHADEMA in comparatively short period of time. We have received signals, information, data , etc on poor performance of CCM government - development projects, corruption, lack of people participation, poverty, diseases - for many years. We ought to change for our benefits and if Lowasa is with us as it is noe, much the better!

 

[Drifter]

Excellent line of thinking Jack Daniels whoever you are. This is a JF star thread on the political topic of the day. I would never understand those who are unable to grasp the gist of what's really at stake in this election. Pity it has generated unnecessary nasty squabbles for some friends.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Excellent line of thinking Jack Daniels whoever you are. This is a JF star thread on the political topic of the day. I would never understand those who are unable to grasp the gist of what's really at stake in this election. Pity it has generated unnecessary nasty squabbles for some friends.

Thank you sir....that section of people want to create something else for us to think of...and in doing so, the true meaning of this election is deliberately obscured by what we have been made to think about.....

 

[yero]

Jack

UKAWA shouldn't pick any advices from guys with CCM cards and supporters of Magufuli, it doesn't make sense. There are videos of Muslims vowing to vote for the opposition by the reason deemed as failure of CCM to address their muslim needs. I don't understand why some muslims are so timid in that they vote purely based on the 'wisdom' of their leaders!!!!

If somebody argues that the political clout of CDM has decreased, then how can that person explain all these efforts and forces used to silence UKAWA and reduce their vigor, because one don't exert such extreme energy against an opponent one deems as weak. How can that person explain the large support that UKAWA has now compared to five years ago!!!

We can't have the old CDM back, because the old CDM consisted of a group of traitors who some call thinkers such as Slaa, Zitto, Mkumbo and many others, it now clearer how self-absorbed these individuals are. The old CDM doesn't have Lowassa, who has a greater chance of winning this election. The old CDM doesn't have UKAWA, which has played a significant role in the support that opposition has as well as boosting the chances of having many opposition MPs in the parliament!!!!

It matters even more when people discover that such videos going viral are just made up and CCM's sponsored videos intended to scare away UKAWA voters, because affirmed with that knowledge, people will not vote cautiously but consciously!!!

I don't agree with people who want fools to make decisions for us, the problem is that, we have had fools making decisions for decades in this country but where have they gotten us, poor economic development!!!!

 

[Kifyatu]

Dear Mr. yero and Ms. kui.

Hi Yero, I know you and I are not the best of friends and maybe you hate me and would never take any advice from me. However, just this once, please listen to me.

There are more important things at stake in this election and this - Jack Daniel's - thread has generated a lot of interest. Some people participate directly by commenting but I believe the majority are passively following it. There are those in the know who ridicule some of us and those who praise some of us. However, I believe the majority of the undecided may be swayed one way or the other by the education or mis-education spewed in this thread.

Please yero, do your friend JD a big favor. Stop using foul language and more importantly, stop this exchange with Ms. kui. It is becoming a distraction.

You know, there is the pm section of JF where you can use it to exchange barbs.

Ms. kui madam, I consider you a friend even though we don't see eye to eye on the topic of UKAWA. I have so much respect for you. For whatever is worth I am pleading with you as a friend. Please end this. From our previous interactions I gathered you are a distinguished lady. Please stay that way. Tomorrow is another day - who knows. You may even patch up with yero and put this behind you.

Sincerely,

Kifyatu.


P/s, Jack Daniel's, I will answer you soon. Weekend and family obligations have overwhelmed me. Apologies.

 

[Kubwajinga]

There is a good reason you called yourself Kubwajinga because that is exactly who you are. And anybody who liked that post of yours should be Kubwajinga with a different name.

Expected from losers. Nothing to debate therefore move on to mataputapu.

BTW Kubwajinga refers to the guy in the profile pictures = LOWASSA.

Been there since 2008 Richimonduli debacle. Got anything else to debate, u & ur buddy Jack Daniel's?

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Expected from losers. Nothing to debate therefore move on to mataputapu. BTW Kubwajinga refers to the guy in the profile pictures = LOWASSA.
Been there since 2008 Richimonduli debacle. Got anything else to debate, u & ur buddy Jack Daniel's?

You rasied the following concerns at your post #203:

“‘It is individuals who messed up our country not parties”

“Magufuli has never been accused or suspected with any misconduct”

At my post #189, When I asked why why did CCM fail to hold Lowassa accountable for alleged unexplainable affluence since the first president? Why did CCM presidents appointed him to serve in their administrations? You said at your post #203 “Wanamtandao have no problem if Lowassa takes over the Presidency and not Magufuli or Dr. Slaa. They know for sure that Lowassa will take care of them Mafisadi than Magufuli or Dr. Slaa”

I then asked you some questions at my post #214, for instance:

Are those individuals not belonging to political parties?

What about Tsh. 265 Billion that CAG reported missing in paying ghost debts? What about 1978 fake ferry boat that he bought for Tsh. 8 Billion?

If Magufuli wins, he will work with a network of corrupt individuals like Kinana, is that not a concern?

I think everything is wrong with being rich through doing illegal businesses like Kinana’s ivory trade and Ridhiwani’s illicit drugs, don’t you think?

If there is friendship between Kikwete and Lowassa, why did Kiwete's own committee drop Lowassa's name undemocratically at the preliminary stages?

Can you explain why we see all these forces and besmearing insults against him? Why is he attacked so much?

Regarding ''Wanamtandao" which according to your statement in VIOLET above involve Nyerere, Mwinyi, Mkapa and Kikwete, Do you mean when you are in CCM you are clean and you only become unclean once you are out of CCM? If your answer is YES, why should we choose a corrupt system? if the answer is NO, Why are CCM leaders not talking about the corrupt CCM members who are in CCM right now like Chenge, Tibaijuka, Muhongo, Kinana, Ridhiwani, Kikwete, Mkapa, Mwinyi, Magufuli, Membe etc?

And at your post #260, you didn’t answer those question except that you repeated what you already posted at your posts #182, #187 and #203.

I suggest and encourage you to answer those few questions.....we are debating remember?

 

[yero]

Expected from losers. Nothing to debate therefore move on to mataputapu.

BTW Kubwajinga refers to the guy in the profile pictures = LOWASSA.

Been there since 2008 Richimonduli debacle. Got anything else to debate, u & ur buddy Jack Daniel's?

Regarding Richmond, I'm just going to ask you five questions:

TAKUKURU reported that there was no element of corruption or any violation of policies and procedures of procurement with regards Richmond/Tanesco contract. What do say about that?

Saed Kubenea said in Kyela that there were two Richmond reports, one indicating Kikwete as the mastermind and the other to sully Lowassa's name. What is your opinion?

Mwakyembe said he didn't read the whole Richmond report for fear to dissolve the whole government, now in the rest of the report that was not read who is involved? Who is involved in that hidden part of the report?

Richmond gave birth to Dowans then Symbion, which means they are the same thing just different names, why is the government under CCM still paying Billions of Shillings to a company that it deems as corrupt?

Kikwete said in Arusha that Lowassa is 'clean' and that he has nothing to do with Richmond? What is your take?

 

[yero]

Hi Yero, I know you and I are not the best of friends and maybe you hate me and would never take any advice from me. However, just this once, please listen to me.

Please yero, do your friend JD a big favor. Stop using foul language and more importantly, stop this exchange with Ms. kui. It is becoming a distraction. You know, there is the pm section of JF where you can use it to exchange barbs

I don't like self-absorbed people like you. I don't buy the idea that a CCM guy with a CCM card and die hard supporter of Magufuli can advice UKAWA on something positive. But you can advice me on other issues.

I didn't have to go private on what I think of Ms. Kui or whatever she calls herself, she is a distraction in this thread. On one side she support UKAWA, on the other side she support CCM ideas and insults. When you see her tell her, that is what hypocrites get from me.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I don't like self-absorbed people like you. I don't buy the idea that a CCM guy with a CCM card and die hard supporter of Magufuli can advice UKAWA on something positive. But you can advice me on other issues.

I didn't have to go private on what I think of Ms. Kui or whatever she calls herself, she is a distraction in this thread. On one side she support UKAWA, on the other side she support CCM ideas and insults. When you see her tell her, that is what hypocrites get from me.

Chief, Kui is not a distraction in this thread....she supports the opposition and she has shown how firm she stand for change throughout this thread...I think we should be impressed and appreciate the fact that she is one of those few women who has the audacity to express herself in this side of JF....so you can put aside those differences you have, she is in our team....

I think she has not supported CCM's ideas.....I also think by her liking Kifyatu's comments when he insulted you should not be the only judgement against her....I think you may have interpreted as she insulted you indirectly and with the witticism she added, that might be source of all those brickbats....

 

[yero]

Chief, Kui is not a distraction in this thread....she supports the opposition and she has shown how firm she stand for change throughout this thread...I think we should be impressed and appreciate the fact that she is one of those few women who has the audacity to express herself in this side of JF....so you can put aside those differences you have, she is in our team....

I think she has not supported CCM's ideas.....I also think by her liking Kifyatu's comments when he insulted you should not be the only judgement against her....I think you may have interpreted as she insulted you indirectly and with the witticism she added, that might be source of all those brickbats...

Jack Daniel's, if I insulted you and somebody say madam K liked the comment where I insulted you, it clearly means that Madam K has insulted you the same way that I did. And that is what this Kui lady did and she thinks it is nothing. So she began insulting me through someone else and that means she was longing to exchange those ad hominems with me.

But I'm done with that, I am happy that she support UKAWA and I have liked her comments several times. She might have learned a few new things. That should not be a distraction to this thread.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

But I'm done with that, I am happy that she support UKAWA and I have liked her comments several times. She might have learned a few new things. That should not be a distraction to this thread.

Thank you sir....have you seen that guy who keep running away from the questions he thinks are tough?

 

[yero]

Thank you sir....have you seen that guy who keep running away from the questions he thinks are tough?

That guys is an outright fabulist, he is saying he is old enough to be my grandfather but if you look at his statements it is much like a high school student (no offence), according to him, he has a CCM card since 1977 which means probably he was a TANU member before and possibly he might have obtained the membership card when he was above 18 which brings him close or above 60 years old!!! can you believe that??

He is saying he is a native English speaker!!! his story doesn't match that notion, at the same time he was teaching at UDSM when Magufuli attended his first year there!!! Magufuli is a month away from 56 years of age which then means our guy must be close to 80 years old!!!!!

Mkuu, look at his writtings, look at his insults!! he is lying, look at the way he is running away from simple questions!!!!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

That guys is an outright fabulist, he is saying he is old enough to be my grandfather but if you look at his statements it is much like a high school student (no offence), according to him, he has a CCM card since 1977 which means probably he was a TANU member before and possibly he might have obtained the membership card when he was above 18 which brings him close or above 60 years old!!! can you believe that??

He is saying he is a native English speaker!!! his story doesn't match that notion, at the same time he was teaching at UDSM when Magufuli attended his first year there!!! Magufuli is a month away from 56 years of age which then means our guy must be close to 80 years old!!!!!

Mkuu, look at his writtings, look at his insults!! he is lying, look at the way he is running away from simple questions!!!!

Remember he is on the other team....so, he doesn't like some of those statements that strongly undermines the party that he supports....

CC: Kifyatu

 

[Kifyatu]

Thank you sir....have you seen that guy who keep running away from the questions he thinks are tough?

I will be back Jack. I am not running away. Just tending to personal issues first. Do you remember what the TERMINATOR said? I WILL BE BACK. - lol.

And yero, I will get back to you too. Stop being a cry baby. lol

 

[kiwatengu]

oh, what a good debate!! let me pass over it and i will participate