Thomson safaris: Sodoma na Gomola (This American company is so sick)

[Simple]

Naweka hapa majibizano ya hawa Thomson Safaris na mteja wao,,jinsi wanavyotuletea nuksi huku Shamba la bibi Serengeti( Ndo maana hata mvua zinachelewa):

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:03 AM
[COLOR=[URL=https://www.jamiiforums.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2[/URL] 82828]In exactly 26 days I will be in Tanzania with the greatest love of my life. I have been planning on proposing to him for a while now, I mean, after 4 years together, nothing seemed more romantic or different than getting down on one knee in the middle of the Serengeti, at least to me. The only thing that has me concerned is our general safety. Being two young, kind of flamboyant men from NYC aint too easy to hide. So I asked my safari outfitters, Thomson safaris, what they thought was best and this is the reply I got from them:


Dear Danny!

What a pleasure to speak with you today! We are very proud to be helping orchestrate this wonderful, life-changing event in your and Hunter’s lives. We’re honored!

I know you understand this, but I just want to emphasize that the advice we are giving you is in the spirit of making sure that you will be treated just like everyone else, that you won’t need to be subject to rude or disrespectful comments, and that you will first and foremost be treated as one of our important, valued guests– and NOT treated like a curiosity or someone who is an any way “strange” or “less-than”. This is why we feel so strongly that only the guide and our general manager should be told specifically about your romantic relationship.

Be yourself, be in the moment, be relaxed – but don’t be the poster-child for enlightening Tanzanians on gay rights. Simply be discreet because you will have the knowledge that culturally, politically and socially, Tanzania’s views on homosexuality are about 100 years behind ours. (And I say this knowing that we’re STILL not even there yet in the US!!! It’s crazy-making!!)

It pains me to say it, but since these homophobic views are so terribly ingrained in Tanzanian culture, we just don’t know how the dozens and dozens of camp staff might react if we suggest to them in advance that “there is a gay couple coming, so please be nice to them”. I would love to think that they would all react honorably and respectfully, but at the same time, I know that this is a culture where people still believe in witch doctors, and education often stops after 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] or 4[SUP]th[/SUP] grade. I think it is a much safer bet that we carry on as we have done with so many past gay Thomson guests. If we point out your relationship, we will be more likely to raise objections. If we don’t make it an issue, they won’t make it an issue and will just carry on doing their jobs up to the standard we expect.

So, I would like to end on a happier note! I would like you to know that we’ll do everything we can to make sure you and Hunter have a wonderful trip. And we are thinking through a number of options for the proposal that will be romantic, beautiful and private enough for you to express yourselves as freely and joyfully as you deserve to.

By the way, I can’t wait to meet Hunter over the phone!

All the best,
Ina


Ina Steinhilber
General Manager

Amazingly honest and candid in my opinion. I feel like they handled my questions and concerns like real pros. So just today, I received Thomsons ideas for my proposal and I really would love to hear what all of you think:


Hi Danny,

Hope you had a nice weekend!

Below I’ve listed a few detailed suggestions and locations for this special occasion. Please let me know your thoughts and preferences for where you would like this proposal to take place.

1. Private dessert in your Serengeti Nyumba. This would be the most private setting for the two of you; it would be a real surprise AND it is not weather-dependent. We would make sure have the camp staff assign a tent that has the most privacy. You could have dinner in the main dining area, with the rest of the guests at that camp, and then head back to your tent a little early, where we will have already set up a small candle-lit table with dessert and bubbly (alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks). This could be inside the tent or on the verandah.

2. Private sundowners. This is more weather-dependent and requires a guide/staff to be present somewhere nearby. You could would walk to a scenic spot and enjoy drinks as the sun sets. Lanterns, chairs and small table with snacks and drinks could be set up at the site. An askari (guard) would need to be present in somewhat close proximity for safety reasons (animals), and the guide would need to be present (at a distance) so that they could drive you back to the main camp. We’re not yet sure of an exact location for this sundowners.

3. Private dinner at your Serengeti camp. Also weather dependent. We could set up dinner for two under a lantern-lit tree at the edge of camp. This would also require an askari to be somewhat nearby, and would mean that waitstaff would come and go to provide meal/beverage service.

4. Private picnic site on the floor of Ngorongoro Crater. Weather dependent, guide/vehicle would likely be within sight. We would provide a lovely picnic basket with champagne and a nice lunch.

Please let me know what you think! I look forward to speaking with you again soon.

Best regards,
Evan Ruhwedel

I am concerned about the Askari for #2 and #3 . Do you guys think I should be as well?

We are doing a hot air balloon and thought that could be super romantic, but we would be around a bunch of other tourists as well, thoughts?

The picnic in Ngorongoro could be really special but as we all know the amount of tourists could be off putting, what do you guys think?

Do you think i'm crazy for doing this as a gay man? Do you really think I have lots to fear? Do you know of any other gay couples who have gone on romantic trips?

Looking forward to hearing all of your responses!
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Ikumbukwe pia; hawa jamaa walivyowanyanganya wamaasai ardhi yao halali huko loliondo: (Tanzania: Support )

Swali kwa wataalamu wa sheria: Hawa jamaa si wanavunja sheria za nchi kwa kutetea na kuandaa mazingira ya ushoga? kinyume na katiba yetu ya jamuhuri.

Au ndo utalii huo?

 

[Preta]

Mkuu......bahati mbaya umebahatika kuwaona au kuwasikia hao......lakini kukueleza kwa kifupi......magay na malesbian wanakuja sana safari na sio kitu cha kujificha siku hizi......wanawakwaza sana ma guide na wafanyakazi wa hayo makampuni......lakini ndio hivyo......safari imeuzwa hujui ni mgeni wa namna gani anakuja.....

 

[mugayasida]

kill them soon and secretly but make them know

 

[Simple]

Mkuu......bahati mbaya umebahatika kuwaona au kuwasikia hao......lakini kukueleza kwa kifupi......magay na malesbian wanakuja sana safari na sio kitu cha kujificha siku hizi......wanawakwaza sana ma guide na wafanyakazi wa hayo makampuni......lakini ndio hivyo......safari imeuzwa hujui ni mgeni wa namna gani anakuja.....

Dada Preta, sijakataa kama watu wa aina hiyo wanakuja,,,swala ninalolitafakari hapa ni 'moral ethics' za haya makampuni ya kigeni.. Sababu wanavunja sheria makusudi,,then wanasema haya,,'' I know that this is a culture where people still believe in witch doctors, and education often stops after 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] or 4[SUP]th[/SUP] grade. I think it is a much safer bet that we carry on as we have done with so many past gay Thomson guests.''.

Wanatakiwa waheshimu tamaduni zetu,,na sio kutubeza kwamba tunaamini kwenye witch doctors,,na elimu zetu ni za darasa la 3 na la nne. Hawa ni matapeli wa kimarekani ambao hawajali utu wa mtu wala nchi wanayofanya biashara.Imagine wewe ndo huyo tour guide unawapeleka majamaa katikati ya serengeti kufanya uchafu huo,,,hata kama ni kazi,,,utu uko wapi? si waende kwao huko sheria zinaporuhusu madudu hayo,,sababu ya kuja kuleta laana huku ni nini?

Nikikaona hako kadada kalichoandika hivyo,,kweli kabisa naweza nikakatandika japo tuvibao vinne tu

 

[Earthmover]

...Msalimie Rick Thomsoni vipi huko Loliondo pinyinyi bado mna bifu na MANDA????

 

[Abdulhalim]

Kweli hawa wasnge na Magamba wameleta laana kubwa ktk ardhi hii tukufu walioturithisha mababu zetu, shwain kabisa/

 

[Simple]

Kweli hawa wasnge na Magamba wameleta laana kubwa ktk ardhi hii tukufu walioturithisha mababu zetu, shwain kabisa/

Yes indeed ustaadhi,,

 

[taxbabe]

There is no law inayokataza a gay or lesbian people kuingia tanzania... And swala la kuweka sheri kukataza gay people from tanzania is just absurd... Tourism is business, as long as they pay... Wat they do is non of our business, as long as they dnt do it in public.hao wafanyakazi wa hizo kampuni wanaokwazika, if they cnt handle it waache kazi.. U signed up for it. But seriously kuona two gay man togetha inakuaffect vp exactly... As long as u get ur pay check that they do is between them and God.
Am nt gay and i dnt support wat they do... Bt in ds case, its business. Labda kama kuja kwao kuna madhara mengi dt u hvnt mentioned. If so, please enlighten me

 

[Sabayi]

There is no law inayokataza a gay or lesbian people kuingia tanzania... And swala la kuweka sheri kukataza gay people from tanzania is just absurd... Tourism is business, as long as they pay... Wat they do is non of our business, as long as they dnt do it in public.hao wafanyakazi wa hizo kampuni wanaokwazika, if they cnt handle it waache kazi.. U signed up for it. But seriously kuona two gay man togetha inakuaffect vp exactly... As long as u get ur pay check that they do is between them and God.
Am nt gay and i dnt support wat they do... Bt in ds case, its business. Labda kama kuja kwao kuna madhara mengi dt u hvnt mentioned. If so, please enlighten me

You sound like one of them but thank God you have said you are not and therefore I can't judge beyond that,
Mkuu think twice madhara yapo unajua kua utalii ulichangia dada zetu kuvaa nguo zisizo na heshima kulingana na tamaduni zetu? Kisa ilikuwa ni kuiga wazungu wanaodhani wao siku zote wapo sahihi,basi hatari ni kuwafanya dada zetu na kaka zetu wachache wenye uwezo mdogo wa kufikiri waone hiki ni kitu cha kawaida tu na kukichukulia poa

 

[Mchaka Mchaka]

Dah! Laana kum! Sometimes i used to be the worker of of tours company but this is enough!

 

[MVUMBUZI]

There is no law inayokataza a gay or lesbian people kuingia tanzania... And swala la kuweka sheri kukataza gay people from tanzania is just absurd... Tourism is business, as long as they pay... Wat they do is non of our business, as long as they dnt do it in public.hao wafanyakazi wa hizo kampuni wanaokwazika, if they cnt handle it waache kazi.. U signed up for it. But seriously kuona two gay man togetha inakuaffect vp exactly... As long as u get ur pay check that they do is between them and God.
Am nt gay and i dnt support wat they do... Bt in ds case, its business. Labda kama kuja kwao kuna madhara mengi dt u hvnt mentioned. If so, please enlighten me

Kwa misingi ya kiutu na morality hii desturi sisi watZ na waafrica inatuchefua kwani huwezi sema ni unyama kwani hata wanyama ni wastaarabu. Biologically ni wrong kwani kila kiungo kina kazi yake na hiyo iko very clear unless unajidai temporary mental blind folded ndo utasema kama unavyoongea. Shoga popote pale anaonekana kama mtu mchafu asiye na staha na hivyo watu wakimwona wanahusisha moja kwa moja maungo yake na vitendo vyake kitu ambacho huwafanya watu very UNCOMFORTABLE.

 

[taxbabe]

First of all am a gal... Secondly, huo ushoga kwani uliletwa na wazungu....Lets be real... Ukienda magomeni au ilala utakuta mashoga kibao... Naushoga haukuanza leo hapa tanzania. Na haukuanza na wazungu. Naomba tusiwe wanafiki... Swala la kuvaa vimini, in the 60's watu walikuwa wanavaa vimini... Uliza watu waliokuwepo enzi hizo.... Besides in the past africans walked around naked or half naked.. Plz stp blaming white people for all ur problems...

 

[MVUMBUZI]

wAZOMEWE NA WASHUGHULIKIWE HAWO WAHUNI. Halafu kitendo cha kudharau elimu yetu huku wakijipatia mamilioni ya fedha kwenye ardhi yetu ni matusi kwa nchi yetu. Ushahidi ukipatikana washughulikiwe inavyostahili

 

[Simple]

There is no law inayokataza a gay or lesbian people kuingia tanzania... And swala la kuweka sheri kukataza gay people from tanzania is just absurd... Tourism is business, as long as they pay... Wat they do is non of our business, as long as they dnt do it in public.hao wafanyakazi wa hizo kampuni wanaokwazika, if they cnt handle it waache kazi.. U signed up for it. But seriously kuona two gay man togetha inakuaffect vp exactly... As long as u get ur pay check that they do is between them and God.
Am nt gay and i dnt support wat they do... Bt in ds case, its business. Labda kama kuja kwao kuna madhara mengi dt u hvnt mentioned. If so, please enlighten me

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Natumaini wewe ni mtanzania pia, na ni mwafrika kwa ujumla. Sisi kama watanzania woote wa makabila mbalimbali na dini mbalimbali tunayo maadili na miiko yetu, mingine imeiandikwa kimaandishi( na kuwa sheria) mingine haijaandikwa lakini inarithishwa kutoka vizazi hadi vizazi. Pamoja na ukoloni uliopita,,,na huu ukoloni mamboleo wa sasa,,maadili na miiko hii yetu vimeendelea kufatwa na kuheshimiwa,,na hivi ndivyo tunavyoweza kujitofautisha na binadamu wengine wa mabara au nchi nyingine: USENGE NA USAGAJI HAUKUBALIKI NA HATUHITAJI MJADALA KWENYE HILO:

Zipo nchi na mabara mbalimbali wanakubaliana na mipango hiyo,,hatujawakataza,,,sisi hatukubaliani na uchafu huo,,sheria na miiko ya nchi imeaniasha hivyo:

Sidhani kama sheria za wafanyakazi zinaruhusu kufanya kazi kwenye mazingara hatarishi kama hayo ya kuona watu wa jinsia moja wakikumbatiana na kufunga ndoa,,effect kubwa utakayoipata ni ya kiakili,, binafsi nikiona hivyo nitarekodi kwa simu na kupeleka polisi ushahidi pamoja na kuwafungulia mashtaka kwa mujibu wa sheria.

Kuruhusu upumbavu kama huu kwa ajili ya pesa ni kumkosea Mola,,,hata hiyo Serengeti wanyama wataanza kupungua sababu ya laana kama hizo. Pia ni kuchochea utamaduni wa kigeni usio na manufaa yeyote kwa nchi yetu.

Fikiri:Fikiri:Fikiri: Acha utumwa wa kupenda kila kitu cha kigeni:

 

[Puppy]

Pale Ndutu siku moja CampStaffs walikuta kinyesi kwenye mashuka, Tent ya couple moja walilala wanaume wawili.

 

[Simple]

you sound like one of them but thank god you have said you are not and therefore i can't judge beyond that,
mkuu think twice madhara yapo unajua kua utalii ulichangia dada zetu kuvaa nguo zisizo na heshima kulingana na tamaduni zetu? Kisa ilikuwa ni kuiga wazungu wanaodhani wao siku zote wapo sahihi,basi hatari ni kuwafanya dada zetu na kaka zetu wachache wenye uwezo mdogo wa kufikiri waone hiki ni kitu cha kawaida tu na kukichukulia poa

asante kwa kumfahamisha

 

[Hoshea]

Haukuanza kwa wazungu ulianza kwa nani?...... and why not blame them wakt wanasema bado tunaamini kwa witchcraft na elimu zetu ni std 3 and 4, is that true umeishia la nne, nawe wacha kutetea tu.

 

[Hoshea]

Mi ngoja naingia website yao ncheck contacts nianze wanyea mbweha wakubwa wanaleta tabia za kihanisi hapa afu wanatutusi tumeishia la nne? mabanyamulenge wakubwa.

 

[Simple]

First of all am a gal... Secondly, huo ushoga kwani uliletwa na wazungu....Lets be real... Ukienda magomeni au ilala utakuta mashoga kibao... Naushoga haukuanza leo hapa tanzania. Na haukuanza na wazungu. Naomba tusiwe wanafiki... Swala la kuvaa vimini, in the 60's watu walikuwa wanavaa vimini... Uliza watu waliokuwepo enzi hizo.... Besides in the past africans walked around naked or half naked.. Plz stp blaming white people for all ur problems...

Nilihisi tangia mwanzoni sizungumzi na mtanzania mwenzangu,,,,ebu tuache tujadili matatizo yetu,,wewe endelea na wasungu wenzio.

Nidhahiri uko well brainwashed na vitu vya kigeni: ETI ukienda magomeni au ilala utakuta mashoga kibao,,,so kwa sababu hiyo na Serengeti unataka kuwe na mashoga kibao,,

unataka kuniaribia jumapili yangu tulivu

 

[Simple]

Mi ngoja naingia website yao ncheck contacts nianze wanyea mbweha wakubwa wanaleta tabia za kihanisi hapa afu wanatutusi tumeishia la nne? mabanyamulenge wakubwa.

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