Tunamkumbuka Edward Sokoine - Mtu wa Watu

Tunamkumbuka Edward Sokoine - Mtu wa Watu

Icadon said:
Kama ni kuwa aliuliwa vile vile kuna possibility ya kuwa aliuliwa na watu wa nje ya nchi si lazima wawe wa ndani wenye chuki naye tu.
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bado ni kazi kweli kujenga hoja ya kuuliwa..

a. Unahitaji coordination ya hali ya juu sana kumuua Waziri Mkuu wa Nchi

b. Unahitaji utii wa hali ya juu sana kuweza kuficha ushahidi wote (siyo sehemu tu ya ushahidi huo)

c. Unahitaji utaalamu wa juu kabisa kuweza kufanya watu waamini ajali.


Kama aliuawa masalia yake bado yanabeba ushahidi huo; je tuko tayari afukuliwe na kuangaliwa kuona kama kuna alama za risasi? Zisipoonekana nadharia mpya itakuja kuwa aliuawa kwa sumu akiwa amelala, na wakichunguza na kukuta sumu, watasema alirogwa.. which means case closed.
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
bado ni kazi kweli kujenga hoja ya kuuliwa..

a. Unahitaji coordination ya hali ya juu sana kumuua Waziri Mkuu wa Nchi

b. Unahitaji utii wa hali ya juu sana kuweza kuficha ushahidi wote (siyo sehemu tu ya ushahidi huo)

c. Unahitaji utaalamu wa juu kabisa kuweza kufanya watu waamini ajali.


Kama aliuawa masalia yake bado yanabeba ushahidi huo; je tuko tayari afukuliwe na kuangaliwa kuona kama kuna alama za risasi? Zisipoonekana nadharia mpya itakuja kuwa aliuawa kwa sumu akiwa amelala, na wakichunguza na kukuta sumu, watasema alirogwa.. which means case closed.
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a.Kama ina hitajika coordination ya hali ya juu iweje waziri mkuu afe kwa kugongwa na gari kihivyo? Kwa sababu hapo you made it seem ni kitu kigumu sana wakati mazingira ya ajali yenyewe inaonyesha kuwa hao wenyewe waliokua wana paswa kumlinda na kuongoza msafari hawakua na coordination ndiyo maana akafa kizembe.

b.Who is to say who ever was involved haku command utii wa hali ya juu?

c.Obviously haihitaji utalaamu sana kushawishi watu ni ajali kwa sababu kama unavyo ona sasa bado kuna watu wanaamini ni ajali.

tuchukulie mfano wa Kennedy, the last assasinated president of the U.S. Wote tunajua U.S. ina intelligence ya hali ya juu hata kwa miaka hiyo Kennedy aliyo uliwa. Marekani the movement of the president is very well monitored na haendi sehemu pasipo his security detail kuhakikisha ni salama kwake. Pamoja na ulinzi wote, coordination yote na attention to details zote za wamarekani bado the president was killed by a bullet from a rooftop. Ninacho jaribu kuonyesha ni kwamba hata nchi za wenzetu ambao wameendelea kuliko sisi in terms ya security kwa viongozi bado wanauliwa. Kama Kennedy, raisi wa Marekani aliweza kuuliwa in those circumstances whose to say it would have been that hard kwa waziri mkuu wa nchi kama Tanzania.

Don't get me wrong, sisemi ni kweli kauliwa ila nasema tu sababu ulizo zitaja hapo juu isingekua kikwazo kama wangeamua kumuua.
 
MwanaFalsafa1 said:
a.Kama ina hitajika coordination ya hali ya juu iweje waziri mkuu afe kwa kugongwa na gari kihivyo? Kwa sababu hapo you made it seem ni kitu kigumu sana wakati mazingira ya ajali yenyewe inaonyesha kuwa hao wenyewe waliokua wana paswa kumlinda na kuongoza msafari hawakua na coordination ndiyo maana akafa kizembe.

b.Who is to say who ever was involved haku command utii wa hali ya juu?

c.Obviously haihitaji utalaamu sana kushawishi watu ni ajali kwa sababu kama unavyo ona sasa bado kuna watu wanaamini ni ajali.

tuchukulie mfano wa Kennedy, the last assasinated president of the U.S. Wote tunajua U.S. ina intelligence ya hali ya juu hata kwa miaka hiyo Kennedy aliyo uliwa. Marekani the movement of the president is very well monitored na haendi sehemu pasipo his security detail kuhakikisha ni salama kwake. Pamoja na ulinzi wote, coordination yote na attention to details zote za wamarekani bado the president was killed by a bullet from a rooftop. Ninacho jaribu kuonyesha ni kwamba hata nchi za wenzetu ambao wameendelea kuliko sisi in terms ya security kwa viongozi bado wanauliwa. Kama Kennedy, raisi wa Marekani aliweza kuuliwa in those circumstances whose to say it would have been that hard kwa waziri mkuu wa nchi kama Tanzania.

Don't get me wrong, sisemi ni kweli kauliwa ila nasema tu sababu ulizo zitaja hapo juu isingekua kikwazo kama wangeamua kumuua.
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sasa Wamarekani walitangaza kuwa Kennedy hajafa au hakuuliwa?
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
sasa Wamarekani walitangaza kuwa Kennedy hajafa au hakuuliwa?
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Ofcoarse it was obvious aliuliwa mkuu na wakakubali. What I was trying to point out ni kwamba kama ulinzi wote alio nao raisi wa Marekani akaweza kuuliwa basi hata Tanzania kiongozi kuuliwa it is not impossible.

Kumbuka nimesema kuwa sija kubali bado kuwa Sokoine aliuliwa kutokana na ushahidi watu waliotoa hapa ila nilicho jaribu kusema ni kiongozi kuuliwa Tanzania napo ni possible na hizo sababu ulizo taja wewe zisinge zuia kitu kama kunge kuepo na nia ya kumuondoa. Ndiyo maana nikatoa mfano wa Kennedy.
 
Interested Observer said:
He was a Prime Minister of the United Republic of Tanzania, URT. He was knocked by a car (involved in a car accident): Yes: Who where there?
1. Mr. Mustafa Nyang'anyi - Leader wa msfara
2. Mr. Chuma - The driver who had a passenger in his passenger sit; Mr. Edward Sokoine. Had suffered a broken leg, where he is? He never testified!!!
3. Acadogo Chiledi - was sitting beside Mr. Sokoine during the accident!
4. The circumstance that Mr. Dube crashed the PM car, was not valid, another car was crashed; and even pictures are showing that the car which Mr. Sokoine was in was knocked from the back. His own Usalama wa Taifa knocked him from behind. But Mr. Dube was coming in an opposite direction, and then this car didn't show that it was knocked on the side (ubavuni).
5. A Prime Minister with such a popurality dies; at least there should be an investigation carried. A Task Force, Tume, or anything to investigate on the cirumstances of the death.

Let us be serious!!
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Chuma was not Sokoine's Driver.....!!!!
 
MwanaFalsafa1 said:
Ofcoarse it was obvious aliuliwa mkuu na wakakubali. What I was trying to point out ni kwamba kama ulinzi wote alio nao raisi wa Marekani akaweza kuuliwa basi hata Tanzania kiongozi kuuliwa it is not impossible. Kumbuka nimesema kuwa sija kubali bado kuwa Sokoine aliuliwa kutokana na ushahidi watu waliotoa hapa ila nilicho jaribu kusema ni kiongozi kuuliwa Tanzania napo ni possible na hizo sababu ulizo taja wewe zisinge zuia kitu kama kunge kuepo na nia ya kumuondoa. Ndiyo maana nikatoa mfano wa Kennedy.
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unachosema ndicho kinachofanya nadharia ya kuuliwa sokoine kuwa ngumu kuikubali. Wanahitajika mashahidi wengi kweli kuficha ushahidi wa kifo, maana kama kifo kilikuwa that obvious hao mashahidi wako wapi?

Sisemi ni vigumu kumuua kiongozi lakini kuweza kufanikisha ukimya baada ya tukio la namna hiyo inahitaji uwezo mkubwa mno. Bado burden of proof ni kubwa mno kwa wale wanaoamini aliuawa.
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
unachosema ndicho kinachofanya nadharia ya kuuliwa sokoine kuwa ngumu kuikubali. Wanahitajika mashahidi wengi kweli kuficha ushahidi wa kifo, maana kama kifo kilikuwa that obvious hao mashahidi wako wapi?

Sisemi ni vigumu kumuua kiongozi lakini kuweza kufanikisha ukimya baada ya tukio la namna hiyo inahitaji uwezo mkubwa mno. Bado burden of proof ni kubwa mno kwa wale wanaoamini aliuawa.
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Nakubaliana na wewe mkuu ndiyo maana nikasema mimi binafsi sijaamini bado kauliwa na ushahidi au hoja za watu walizo zitoa hapa. Nilitaka tu kupoint out wangetaka kumuua it's not impossible. Since umekubali it's not impossible kumua tupo pamoja hapo mkuu.

Sasa ni kazi ya wanao amini hivyo watoe hoja ya kutu shawishi sisi wengine ambao hatukuwepo na wala hatuna ushahidi wa kusema hadharani kua aliuliwa.
 
Kukata mzizi wa fitina itabidi mwili wa marehemu ufukuliwe ufanyiwe uchungzi tena.
 
Folk,
Tusipoteze muda, kama kweli kungkuwa na mchezo mchafu ulifanyika leo hii ingekuwa imejulikana tena peupe kwa serikali ya msanii ambayo kila kitu kipo peupe. Huyu Mzee alifariki kwa ajali kwa mapenzi yake mola.

Huwezi kuficha ukweli katika dunia ya tatu kwa muda mrefu kiasi hicho hata aliyeandaa tungekuwa tumeishamjua siku nyingi
 
Icadon,
Utumie mamilioni kwa kitu ambacho hakihitaji hata uchunguzi, kama mna hiyo pesa kwa nini msiitumiae hata kuwanunulia madawati wanafunzi ambao juzi tumeonyeshwa wamekaa chini, na hata wale walio mliza waziri kwa hali ya bweni?

Ujinga huu ndo mafisadi wanautumia ili kututesa, I wish Tanzania ingepta watu jasiri kama Mh Sita wa kusema ukweli leo hii tungeona watendaji wanabadilika.
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
wakiufukua itabidi wachunguze nini hasa na wasipokikuta itakuwa ni uthibitisho kuwa hakuuawa?
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Kuna mdau uko juu kadai kuwa Prof Shaba aliropoka kuwa mwili wa Sokoine ulikuwa na tundu la risasi, hapo ndio pakuanzia.
 
Icadon said:
Kuna mdau uko juu kadai kuwa Prof Shaba aliropoka kuwa mwili wa Sokoine ulikuwa na tundu la risasi, hapo ndio pakuanzia.
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huyo mdau alisema hivi (msisitizo wangu):

Kinyambiss said:
Hakuna chakujadili. The autopsy was conducted by Prof Shaba and after many years kuna siku alilewa chakari akaanza kuropoka akasema jamaa alikuwa na bullet holes. Sokoine was killed by the Stalin/Mao/Lennin side of our soon to be saint... U know WHO.. Simple as.. The Saint has ultimate power within the country at the time and no one could have acted without his knowledge or approaval. Thats what it is.
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sasa kweli tuanzie hapo? Nilidhani tuanzie kwenye ripoti yake ya autopsy aliyoitoa akiwa sober, ama?
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
huyo mdau alisema hivi (msisitizo wangu):




sasa kweli tuanzie hapo? Nilidhani tuanzie kwenye ripoti yake ya autopsy aliyoitoa akiwa sober, ama?
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Kuna mtu aliniambia kuwa "walevi wanasema vitu wakiwa wamelewa ambavyo hawawezi kusema wakiwa sober"
 
Icadon said:
Kuna mtu aliniambia kuwa "walevi wanasema vitu wakiwa wamelewa ambavyo hawawezi kusema wakiwa sober"
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...na ushahidi wa mlevi haujatimia, lakini Profesa yeye kila wakati yupo mtungi mtu...sijui inakuwaje hii!
 
Lakini pia tuangalie kifo chake kichunguzwe ili iweje after all these years? Wenye haki ya kusema maiti yake ifukuliwe au uchunguzi ufanyike tena ni familia yake tu. Hapa tuna bidi tuconsider matakwa ya familia siyo kudai vitu tu just because it cures our curiosity.

Sokoine hata rudi tena na milele itabaki mawazo ya "what could have been". Kama ni kuchunguza ni kwa faida ya nani? Na tukisha pata majibu(iwe kauliwa au ajali) then what? Kuna mdau mmoja huko nyuma alisema kama ni ajali sawa kama ni mkono wa mtu wao wata jibu mashtaka kwa Mungu wao.

Personally sikubaliani na kuanza kuchunguza mambo tena bila kujua matakwa ya familia yake na pia bila kujua uchunguzi utaleta faida gani na kwa nani. R.I.P. ES.
 
Mbu said:
...na ushahidi wa mlevi haujatimia, lakini Profesa yeye kila wakati yupo mtungi mtu...sijui inakuwaje hii!
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kama anaweza kupasua maiti akiwa mtungi na watu wanamuamini kupasua vizuri, itakuwaje usimuamini akisema hayo maneno....
na hajasema mara moja karudia hayo maneno zaidi ya mara moja kwa siku tofauti bar moja pale karibu na muhimbili inaitwa centre...

mtu akifanya kitu akakuambia jana alikuwa amelewa ndio maana akafanya hivyo ujue huyo alidhamiria....
 
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