Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

[Nguruvi3]

Sote tunafuatilia huu munakasha na tunajifunza labda umkumbushe hayo maswali. Mohamed Said atajibu.

Kama lipi ambalo hajajibu?

1. Nyerere alikuja kwa mara ya kwanza lini Dar kama ulivyoulizwa?
2. Akienda UNO baada ya kuchangiwa fedha na wazee wako safari yake ilianzia wapi?
3.Halafu ulishaulizwa EAMWS ilianzia wapi na kwanini huko ilikoanzia haipo kwa sasa?
4.Unapozungumzia umoja wa waislam, ni upi huo kati ya Sunni, Shia, Bohora, Ismailia n.k.?
Nini kinashindikana kurudisha umoja huo?
5.Umeulizwa, mlezi wa iliyokuwa EAMWS alikuwa Agakhan, vipi mbona yeye anarudi na kujenga chuo kikuu kingine katika serikali ile ile iliyoua EAMWS 1968?
6.Ushahidi wa kanisa kushinikiza kifo cha EAMWS ni upi?

Tusaidiane kumkumbusha Mohamed

 

[zomba]

Ni jambo kubwa kwa sababu wewe umelifanya hivyo siyo mimi. Ni wewe uliyedai kuwa Nyerere alikuwa hajaja Dar kwa mara ya kwanza hadi 1952, na kuwa mwaka 1953 akaingizwa kwenye siasa na Abdul. Sasa this fits in your narrative where by Nyerere analetwa mshamba mmoja anayekuja Dar na kupokelewa na wazee mashuhudi wa Dar ambao walikuwa hawajawahi kumsikia kwa sababu kama alikuja mwaka 1952 kwa mara ya kwanza na akaingizwa kwenye chama 1953 na 1954 akachaguliwa kuongoza TANU ni wazi kuwa muda huo haumtoshi kabisa kumfanya aonekane alikuwa na mizizi Dar.

So, swali la kuja kwa 'mara ya kwanza Dar" ni la muhimu sana. Miye napendekeza kwako kuwa Nyerere alishakuja Dar katikati ya miaka ya 1940 (probably 1946) utanikatalia?




Wewe siye unayetuhumiwa kuwabagua mamilioni ya Waislamu!

Ukiisoma post namba moja vizuri utakuta juliasi ananukuliwa akikiri kuwa kaja na kukutana na wazee wa Dar hata Kiswahili hakijui vizuri, unajuwa ni mwaka gani huo?

Ikiwa alikuja 46 au 36 una maana wakati huo alikuja kisiasa? Au kikanisa?

 

[FredKavishe]

Ndiyo uzuri wa munakasha tunajifunza mengi hebu tupe kisa cha Wachaga na Wahaya walivyokandamizwa kipindi cha uhuru.

Nitafute kwa muda wako nitakupa nitakua naingia nje ya mada.

 

[Yericko Nyerere]

Unaonesha hujielewi, umesahau kuwa Mohamed Said anaandika kuhusu Tanganyika wewe unauliza kuhusu Somalia?

Umechelewa sana kufuatilia mnakasha huu bwana Zomba,

Lakini nakuarifu kuwa Mohamed Said ameshindwa kututhibitishia kuwa kitabu chake ni cha historia ya Tanganyika,

Hizo ni ngano za shekhe Mohamed Said tu!

 

[zomba]

Umechelewa sana kufuatilia mnakasha huu bwana Zomba,

Lakini nakuarifu kuwa Mohamed Said ameshindwa kututhibitishia kuwa kitabu chake ni cha historia ya Tanganyika,

Hizo ni ngano za shekhe Mohamed Said tu!

"Ngano" zimekugusa pazuri sana mpaka ukarukia Somalia na Nigeria, cha kushangaza ndio hicho. Unalo?

 

[Yericko Nyerere]

Sasa hao wa kina nyerere wana historia ipi ambayo haijaandikwa hata awaulize? Wewe kama unayo si uiweke hapa au ukawaulize, unangoja nini?

Mohamed Said katuletea tuliokuwa hatuyajuwi, sasa wewe leta hayo uyatakayo tusioyajuwa ili tufaidike. Unalo?

Ilikuwa ni jambo la maana sana kama angepata maoni kutoka upande wapili ambao ameutuhumu,

Katika kuonyesha hakuwa makini, hata hao wazee wake hakuna mahali alipowanukuu zaidi ya kusimuliwa na baba yake tu!

 

[Yericko Nyerere]

"Ngano" zimekugusa pazuri sana mpaka ukarukia Somalia na Nigeria, cha kushangaza ndio hicho. Unalo?

Nimeeleza mengi sana yenye mafaa katika uzi husika, tumia mda kusoma na kutafakari mkuu,

Usiweke siasa wala itikadi za kiimani, soma na tafakari kitanganyika tu!

 

[zomba]

Tusaidiane kumkumbusha Mohamed

Alikutana na mshume au father John?

 

[zomba]

Nimeeleza mengi sana yenye mafaa katika uzi husika, tumia mda kusoma na kutafakari mkuu,

Usiweke siasa wala itikadi za kiimani, soma na tafakari kitanganyika tu!

Na Somalia? imo katika kitabu cha Mohamed Said? Au ulikuwa unaleta "siasa" na "itikadi za kiimani" au nazo ni "tafakari" za "kitanganyika tu"?

 

[Ritz]

Nitafute kwa muda wako nitakupa nitakua naingia nje ya mada.

Hapa tunajadili mada za uhuru weka humu tujadili ni sehemu ya munakasha. Mie sina muda wa kukutafuta na mambo mengi sana ya kufanya.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Sawa huko sikupita sasa na nyie si ndiyo vyema mkaangalie kuna kitu gani?
Mkipata nanyi muandike?

Huko kwengine si na wewe uende kwani nani kakutazeni?

Sasa hapa ndio ukweli wa kwanini kazi yako huwezi KABISA kuiita ni kazi ya kihistoria. Katika uandishi wa historia kuna kitu kinaitwa "historical method" yaani namna ya kuandika au kusimulia tukio la kihistoria. Hii ni tofauti na mtu anapofanya kile kinachojulikana kama "scientific method". Sasa historical method kwa mujibu wa Wikipedia (unaweza kupata sources nyingine nzuri zaidi) ni:

comprises the techniques and guidelines by which historians use primary sources and other evidence to research and then to write histories in the form of accounts of the past.

Sasa, mwandishi wa historia anatakiwa aende karibu zaidi na primary sources kabla ya kwenda kwenye secondary sources. Unapoenda kwenye primary sources you are close to credibility of your information kuliko kwenda kwenye secondary or tertiary sources.

Sasa what constitutes a primary source? hiyo hiyo Wikipedia inaeleza hivi na kutoa mfano:

Primary sources are original materials.[SUP][1][/SUP] Information for which the writer has no personal knowledge is not primary, although it may be used by historians in the absence of a primary source. na inaendelea na kusema In the study of history as an academic discipline, a primary source (also called original source or evidence) is an artifact, a document, a recording, or other source of information that was created at the time under study.

Bahati mbaya sana katika maandishi yako unawataka wasomaji wako waamini kuwa documents ulizoziona wewe ndivyo zilivyo! Unasema ulioneshwa barua na familia ya Sykes na watu wengine lakini kwenye kitabu chako hujathubutu kuweka hata moja hadharani. Umedai kuwa Nyerere alidai kuwa hakufahamu cheo cha Abdul wakati anajiunga TAA lakini hujathubutu kuweka sehemu ya hotuba hiyo (unawataka wasomaji wakatafute TBC).

Sasa mzee mwenzangu hiyo siyo historia ndio maana nimeiita 'histohisia' yaani unaandika historia kwa kuongozwa na hisia. Historia ni taalum ambayo ina kanuni zake na misingi yake. Kuandika mambo yaliyotokea huko nyuma na ukayaelezwa kwa kirefu haitoshi kufanya historia. HIstoria ni pale ambapo unaweza kuonesha ushahidi wa kile kilichotokea kwa kutumia vyanzo vya msingi (primary sources).

Kazi za kisomi anaekuja baadae anapita kule mwenzake hakufika.
Kwa njia hii kila siku kunakuwa na jipya.

Hili si kweli; kazi ya kusomi ili iweze kukosolewa kisomi inahitaji kuandikwa kisomi vile vile. Na ili iandikiwe kisomi ni lazima basi ifuate kanuni za taalum. Ya kwako siyo kazi ya kihistoria kwa hiyo ukosoaji wowote utakuwa ni kama huu unaofanyika ambao kwa kweli ni ukosoaji wa fasihi (literature review/criticism). Kwa sababu tayari tumeonesha kwa muda mrefu sasa kuwa kazi yako siyo ya kisomi na haifuati misingi ya uandishi wa kihistoria kilichobakia ni kukosoa uandishi wako tu kama kazi ya fasihi.

Randal Saldeir anaandika kwa kirefu juu ya kitabu chako -UNAWEZA KUSOMA KWA KIREFU HAPA - na anakutana na matatizo haya. Yeye anaeleza hivi katika review yake:

The ‘personalities’ referred to are revealed in the book to be the Muslim leaders in general, and his hero and subject Abdulwahid Sykes in particular. Note that the author, born in Dar es Salaam in 1952, was a two year old toddler when T ANU was formed, only 9 years old at the time of UHURU, and a 16 year old teenager when his subject died. He had perforce to rely largely on his father, his family and their friends for information, reinforced later by his own extensive and scholarly academic research.

His filial piety is to be commended as is his transparent loyalty to Islam which illuminates his book. The problem for the reader however is that the result of this blend of reminiscence repetition hearsay experience and scholarship is an extraordinary literary maze with paths leading in all directions through time and space, hundreds of characters appearing and re-appearing in bewildering succession, until one hardly knows which way to turn.

Lakini unaweza kusema huyu mtu aliwajua vipi: Well aliishi Tanganyika/Tanzania kuanzia 1943 hadi 1973 na anajielezea hivi kwenye hiyo review:

Although I have the advantage of having known personally many of the leading figures, albeit some 40 years ago, including Abdulwahid Sykes himself and his brothers Ally and Abbas; Ally in particular having been a close friend. The illustrations include an enchanting photograph of the Sykes boys in the 1930s, the youngest Abbas clutching a bunch of flowers and Ally wearing a white pith-helmet! Their father Kleist, a legendary character, died in 1949 before I came to Dar es Salaam, but I knew his kinsman and fellow Zulu Machado Plantan, editor of ZUHRA, quite well. They brought the courage energy and intelligence of the Zulu to the drowsy denizens of Gerezani, ensuring for themselves a secure place in the Muslim elite so often referred to by the author.

Huyu bwana tungeweza kumuita kwa uhakika kabisa kuwa ni "primary source" na maneno yake ni mazito. Katika hitimisho lake anasema hivi:

I can only close by saying that throughout my own service in East Africa and Tanzania (1943-1973) I never noticed any anti-Muslim bias by the British or the Tanzanian Governments. If anything rather the reverse since the great local rulers revered by the British like the Sultan of Zanzibar, the Liwalis of the Coast, Chief Adam Sapi, Chief Abdallah Fundikira and the merchant princes H.H. The Aga Khan, Abdulkarim Karimjee and V.M. Nazerali were all Muslim. After all, Nyerere’s successor was a Muslim; ‘the proof of the pudding is in the eating.’ CASE NOT PROVEN.

Sasa huyu mzee wakati anaandika review hii ilikuwa ni 1999 naamini ilikuwa ni baada ya toleo lako la kwanza; anasema hujaweza kumshawishi kuwa Nyerere alikuwa na chuki dhidi ya Waislamu au serikali na kanisa vilikuwa na njama dhidi ya Uislamu. Anasema case not proven! Na anasema akiwa mtu aliyeishi na kuwafahamu karibu wahusika wote wakuu wa kitabu chako. Sisi leo tunapohoji haya haya tunaangalia methodology uliyotumia ndio maana tunakukatalia kwua siyo kitabu cha historia. Ulichoandika huwezi kupeleka kwenye mahakama ya watu na ukawashawishi kwani kote wataulize 'show us your evidence"... so far you have failed miserably!

 

[Yericko Nyerere]

Na Somalia? imo katika kitabu cha Mohamed Said? Au ulikuwa unaleta "siasa" na "itikadi za kiimani" au nazo ni "tafakari" za "kitanganyika tu"?

Muislamu wa Tanzania anatofuti gani na wa Somalia?

 

[Pascal Mayalla]

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By Mag3
Mwisho nina ombi kwa jukwaa (hii ni JF)...imeonekana kitabu/vitabu alivyoandika Mohamed Said havina ukweli na kama upo ni asilimia kidogo sana, sasa tusiishie hapa...tuende next step...wapotoshaji kama yeye adhabu yao ipo. Their works have to be discredited as academic dishonesty...a deliberate attempt to falsify, fabricate data, records, or information. Taasisi, Waandishi na wachapishaji wote aliowawekea maneno mdomoni kwa nukuu zisizo sahihi, juhudi zifanyike wajulishwe hatua ziweze kuchukuliwa. Nawapa changamoto wana JF.

By Pasco
.......Kwa vile kitabu kiko published kwa miaka 15 sasa na kinasomwa kote, its about time ukweli halisi uandikiwe kitabu na kum denounce rasm Maalim Mahamed Said kama muongo, mzushi na mpotoshaji!, na hiyo truth ipelekwe kule kule alikopeleka uwongo na uzushi wake ili uwe scraped off toka katika literacy books!.
Pasco.









...

Mkuu Nguruvi3, kiukweli andiko la Mohamed Said ni Changamoto!, kuandika kitabu ni changamoto!.
Mara baada ya kifo cha Regia, baadhi ya wana jf, tulikutana pale British Council na tukaazimia kumuenzi kwa kuchapisha kitabu cha aliyoyapigania!. Hapo ndipo ilipozaliwa RMF.

Juzi wakati tunaadhimisha mwaka 1 wa kifo chake, nikitegemea kitabu kitazinduliwa, ndipo nikaelezwa na Mkuu Sanctus Mtsimbe, kitabu kimekwama kwa sababu hakuna funds, ilihitajika TZS 2,000,000 kuchapisha nakala 1000 za kwanza!.

Kiukweli nilisikitika na kujijutia nafsi yangu kwa sababu mimi ni mmoja wa wahusika, kama nilispend six figure kwenye msiba hadi mashishi, na kila mwaka ninaspend six figure as direct contri to support jf, tumeshindwaje ku raise TZS 2,000,000 ndani ya mwaka mzima!. Niliumia na kama mmoja wa waendeshaji wa kumbukumbu ile, niliiniate harambee na pale pale zilipatikana zaidi ya TZS 2,000,000!.

Hivyo hili suala na kuandika historia ya kweli, tukiamua, tunaweza!.
Nashauri, kwa vile Maalim Mohamed Said was "a man with a mission", na ame acomplish his mission for the past 15 years, tusiendelee kumbana humu, haisaidii zaidi ya kurefusha tuu huu mnakasha, lets be serious and do something positive as a counter measure!.

Kwa kuanzia liandaliwe tuu andiko dogo lenye kicha cha habari
Uwongo, Uzushi, Uchochezi na Upotoshaji wa Mohamed Said Dhidi ya Baba wa Taifa, Mwalimu Nyerere.
Humo tuweke ile mistari ya uwongo na ushushi ya Mhamed Saidi along side ukweli halisi wa mambo kama hatua ya awali ya kumfunga mdomo, asiendelee kupotosha humu, ili upotoshaji na uchochezi wake aendelee nao huko kwenye mihadhara, not jf, not anymore!.
Pasco.

 

[Sideeq]

hivyo mungu wa wakristo hawazi kupiganiwa, bali hujipigania mwenyewe na kuwatetea wanadam. siyo wanadam kumpigania na kumtetea yeye. .......yesu akikashfiwa wakristo kimya. make wanajua mungu wao anajitosheleza na huwatetea wao pia.

Naam naona umeonelea tuwapumzishe kidoogo washiriki na wasomaji wa huu munakasha...

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me".
Katika kuifanyia kazi nukuu hii ndio Wakristo wa Tanzania haraka haraka waliamua kuanzisha tume ya majeshi nchini ili wakati muafaka utakapowadia wale wote ambao si Wakristo waanze kuchinjwa ili ipatikane nafasi ya "kingdom of god" kuitawala Tanzania rasmi.

 

[FredKavishe]

Hapa tunajadili mada za uhuru weka humu tujadili ni sehemu ya munakasha. Mie sina muda wa kukutafuta na mambo mengi sana ya kufanya.

Nitakua nimetoka nje ya mada mkuu.

 

[zomba]

Muislamu wa Tanzania anatofuti gani na wa Somalia?

Hii vipi?

By zomba
Na Somalia? imo katika kitabu cha Mohamed Said? Au ulikuwa unaleta "siasa" na "itikadi za kiimani" au nazo ni "tafakari" za "kitanganyika tu"?

 

[zomba]

Ilikuwa ni jambo la maana sana kama angepata maoni kutoka upande wapili ambao ameutuhumu,

Katika kuonyesha hakuwa makini, hata hao wazee wake hakuna mahali alipowanukuu zaidi ya kusimuliwa na baba yake tu!

soma vizuri:

By zomba
Sasa hao wa kina nyerere wana historia ipi ambayo haijaandikwa hata awaulize? Wewe kama unayo si uiweke hapa au ukawaulize, unangoja nini?


Mohamed Said katuletea tuliokuwa hatuyajuwi, sasa wewe leta hayo uyatakayo tusioyajuwa ili tufaidike. Unalo?

 

[Gwalihenzi]

hapana sio jambo baya kuwa mwanamke.
Amekufananisha nao ni kutokana na hulka zao za umbeya kutaka wasipitwe na kila jambo.
La saluni analitaka,la sokoni analitaka,la kisimani pia analitaka
Ametumia balagha

At first i took you as an intelligent man, i was wrong, you have shown your embecility vividly!

 

[Ritz]

Nitakua nimetoka nje ya mada mkuu.

Basi nakuomba kwa faida ya JF na wengine wote wanaofuatilia huu mjadala anzisha uzi.

Tena itakuwa vizuri kama utaupa jina "Wachagga na Wahaya walivyokandamizwa"

Fanya hivyo mkuu kuna mengi tutajifunza kupitia kwako.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mkuu Nguruvi3, kiukweli andiko la Mohamed Said ni Changamoto!, kuandika kitabu ni changamoto!.
Mara baada ya kifo cha Regia, baadhi ya wana jf, tulikutana pale British Council na tukaazimia kumuenzi kwa kuchapisha kitabu cha aliyoyapigania!. Hapo ndipo ilipozaliwa RMF.

Juzi wakati tunaadhimisha mwaka 1 wa kifo chake, nikitegemea kitabu kitazinduliwa, ndipo nikaelezwa na Mkuu Sanctus Mtsimbe, kitabu kimekwama kwa sababu hakuna funds, ilihitajika TZS 2,000,000 kuchapisha nakala 1000 za kwanza!.

Kiukweli nilisikitika na kujijutia nafsi yangu kwa sababu mimi ni mmoja wa wahusika, kama nilispend six figure kwenye msiba hadi mashishi, na kila mwaka ninaspend six figure as direct contri to support jf, tumeshindwaje ku raise TZS 2,000,000 ndani ya mwaka mzima!. Niliumia na kama mmoja wa waendeshaji wa kumbukumbu ile, niliiniate harambee na pale pale zilipatikana zaidi ya TZS 2,000,000!.Psco

Hivyo hili suala na kuandika historia ya kweli, tukiamua, tunaweza!.
Nashauri, kwa vile Maalim Mohamed Said was "a man with a mission", na ame acomplish his mission for the past 15 years, tusiendelee kumbana humu, haisaidii zaidi ya kurefusha tuu huu mnakasha, lets be serious and do something positive as a counter measure!.

Kwa kuanzia liandaliwe tuu andiko dogo lenye kicha cha habari
Uwongo, Uzushi, Uchochezi na Upotoshaji wa Mohamed Said Dhidi ya Baba wa Taifa, Mwalimu Nyerere.
Humo tuweke ile mistari ya uwongo na ushushi ya Mhamed Saidi along side ukweli halisi wa mambo kama hatua ya awali ya kumfunga mdomo, asiendelee kupotosha humu, ili upotoshaji na uchochezi wake aendelee nao huko kwenye mihadhara, not jf, not anymore!.
Pasco.

Pasco,

Mimi nilikushaurini muda mrefu sana muandike kitabu.
Nakuungeni mkono kwa hilo.