Mohamed Said
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Wala mimi na wewe si lazima tufanye mjadala katika hili.
Wala sina haja ya kukuletea PM.
Wahusika tumewaeleza na tunaamini wametusikia.
Tuishie hapa.
Kwa bahati mbaya sijauliza 'nyie wIslamu'.
Nimesema ninatatizwa sana na maelezo na mijadala ya 'wao' na 'sisi'.
Nimeanza kwa kusema Mzee Said, nikaendelea kwenye swali langu.
Lakini pia, wewe sio 'waislam' wewe ni Mzee Said ninayekuuliza swali hapa. Na ninataka kujua elimu yako na 'uhanaharakati' wako unawaweka wapi vijana wa Tanzania katika utu uzima na uzee wao.
Sijataka mawazo ya waislamu. Nikitaka nitapiga simu radio Iman au radio kheri.
Nimetaka mawazo yako kama mzee, mtanzania. Sio mwislam wala mwislam wa bara wala wa pwani.
Tafadhali sana.
Kama huwezi kujibu barazani kwasabau yoyoyte ile, nijibu hata kwa PM. Nitasema nimejibiwa, na nitashukuru.
Karibuni Upagani ili mpunsishe akili senu na kuchana na chuki.
Hakuna anayebisha juu ya "inner circle." Hata kabla hujaandika kitabu chako nilishasoma kitabu cha Judith Listowell nilipokuwa Aga Khan 1967. Ndio maana nilithamini sana uhusiano wangu na mzee Abdulwahid kwa sababu huyu nilishamsoma mchango wake. Wewe, kitabu chako, ambacho pia nimekisoma, kingekuwa na maana zaidi kwa kila Mtanzania, kama ungeelezea tu mchango wa wazee wa Gerezani bila kuingiza mambo ya udini na bila kushusha au kubeza mchango wa Mwalimu Nyerere. Nadhani wote tulio upande huu wanakubaliana na mimi kwa hilo. Lakini kwa zoezi hili unatugawa, ninyi waislamu, na sisi wakristo. Hivi utajisikiaje nikikwambia kuwa baba yangu mdogo, Suleiman Mukama, alikuwa ni muislamu, mfuasi wa Zuberi Mtemvu na mpaka anaenda kaburini hakutaka kusikia habari za TANU na Nyerere? Lakini akija nyumbani, tunaweka siasa pembeni tunaweka mbele damu yetu. Hii ndiyo Tanzania niliyokulia.
Exactly! Angekuwa mdini angefanya exactly that. Lakini tukiacha hii dhihaka yako kwa watu wa Musoma (niliwahi kukuonya kuhusu dhihaka kama hizi!), na mimi nikuulize, ilikuwaje wazee wako wa Dar es Salaam wampe usukani mtu wa Musoma? Kwami akina Abdulwahid Sykes, Dossa Aziz, Abdallah Salum muyukwa Samtungo hawakuwepo? Hivi hata kwa akili ya kawaida hujui kuwa Dar es Salaam ilikuwa ndiyo maao makuu ya utawala wa kikoloni? Nafikiri swala zuri zaidi ni hili, je, kwa kiwango gani TANU ingefanikiwa kama haingeungwa mkono na watu si wa Musoma tu bali Kilimajaro, Mwanza, Bukoba, Mbeya, Rungwe, Iringa na sehemu zote za Tanganyika? Je unajua kwamba katika muda mfupi zaidi ya asilimia 60% ya wanachama wa mwanzo wa TANU walitoka mikoa ya Ziwa?
Hilo moja lakini la pili, unayo habari kuwa kabla ya uhuru (1961) wengi wa wazee wako waliokuwa wanachama wa TANU walijiengua na kujiunga AMNUT? Unajua kuwa kama ingekuwa ni mapenzi na maamuzi ya wazee wako tusingepata uhuru tarehe 9 Desemba 1961? Unaona unavyojaribu kupotosha mambo kwa makusudio ya kupanda, kupalilia na kujenga chuki za kidini kwa sababu tu baba zako wa Gerezani walidhani uhuru ukipatikana basi kila moja atakuwa na wadhifa kama wa Raisi wa nchi. Tazama unavyomjenga Abdulwahid Sykes...kamfundisha Nyerere kuvaa, kamfundisha kuongea kiswahili, kamfundisha siasa, kampa uenyekiti wa TANU, kamwandikia hata hotuba...duh, yaani hata kama ni matusi, aibu huna?
Exactly! Angekuwa mdini angefanya exactly that. Lakini tukiacha hii dhihaka yako kwa watu wa Musoma (niliwahi kukuonya kuhusu dhihaka kama hizi!), na mimi nikuulize, ilikuwaje wazee wako wa Dar es Salaam wampe usukani mtu wa Musoma? Kwami akina Abdulwahid Sykes, Dossa Aziz, Abdallah Salum muyukwa Samtungo hawakuwepo? Hivi hata kwa akili ya kawaida hujui kuwa Dar es Salaam ilikuwa ndiyo maao makuu ya utawala wa kikoloni? Nafikiri swala zuri zaidi ni hili, je, kwa kiwango gani TANU ingefanikiwa kama haingeungwa mkono na watu si wa Musoma tu bali Kilimajaro, Mwanza, Bukoba, Mbeya, Rungwe, Iringa na sehemu zote za Tanganyika? Je unajua kwamba katika muda mfupi zaidi ya asilimia 60% ya wanachama wa mwanzo wa TANU walitoka mikoa ya Ziwa?
Hilo moja lakini la pili, unayo habari kuwa kabla ya uhuru (1961) wengi wa wazee wako waliokuwa wanachama wa TANU walijiengua na kujiunga AMNUT? Unajua kuwa kama ingekuwa ni mapenzi na maamuzi ya wazee wako tusingepata uhuru tarehe 9 Desemba 1961? Unaona unavyojaribu kupotosha mambo kwa makusudio ya kupanda, kupalilia na kujenga chuki za kidini kwa sababu tu baba zako wa Gerezani walidhani uhuru ukipatikana basi kila moja atakuwa na wadhifa kama wa Raisi wa nchi. Tazama unavyomjenga Abdulwahid Sykes...kamfundisha Nyerere kuvaa, kamfundisha kuongea kiswahili, kamfundisha siasa, kampa uenyekiti wa TANU, kamwandikia hata hotuba...duh, yaani hata kama ni matusi, aibu huna?
Mohamed,Nyerere aliupiga vita Uislam.
Henda wewe hujui.
Msikilize Abdu Sykes huyu hapa chini:
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[TD] These new developments saddened Abdulwahid as he could not understand where such sentiments could originate from.
Somehow Abdulwahid felt guilty and responsible for what was taking place and for the calamity which was befalling the Muslim community.
This feeling now haunted him.
Abdulwahid thought that they had conquered such sentiments in the 1950s.
He had in 1953, as incumbent and secretary of Al Jamiatul Islamiyya, stood against Julius Nyerere, a Roman Catholic, to contest for the presidency of the TAA. Abdulwahid lost that election.
Muslims did not take that election as between a Muslim leader and a Christian. What mattered was the ability of the contestants.
Nyerere turned out to be a better candidate than he.
He remembered the 1958 conflict between Sheikh Suleiman Takadir then TANU Elders Council Chairman and Nyerere. Sheikh Takadir had warned that Nyerere would come to turn against Muslims and to favour fellow Christians once power was squarely in his hands.
Like many other Muslims, Abdulwahid had sided with Nyerere. He believed then, as many like him did, that Takadir wanted to spread divisive hate politics based on religion which could have dire consequences for the people of Tanganyika.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 601"] Abdulwahid died in 1968 at a time when the country was torn in silent strife; there was tension between Muslims and the Christian dominated government in power.
The unity of the country, something which Abdulwahid had fought for throughout his life, was being threatened.
The unity of Muslims was on the brink of disintegration.
There had been mass detention of Sheikhs under the Preventive Detention Act of 1962.
Some of these Sheikhs were Abdulwahid's political allies when he was trying to set up TANU.
Some of them supported Nyerere in those difficult early days of the struggle.
Abdulwahid's fellow member of the TAA political subcommittee, Mufti Sheikh Hassan bin Amir, who was held in high esteem by all Muslims, had been arrested on Nyerere's orders and deported to Zanzibar, his country of origin; the reason given for his deportation was that Sheikh Hassan bin Amir was ‘plotting to overthrow the government'.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 601"] Sheikh Hassan bin Amir was among the few Muslim scholars who dared to stand against the government and to give his opinion on the government's negative stand on Islam.
Before his death reports had been reaching him that there was a systematic campaign within TANU, conducted by its new Christian leadership, to de-Islamise the party.
In the 1965 General Elections, TANU founder member Tewa Said Tewa lost his Kisarawe constituency to an unknown contestant, one H.A. Ramadhani Dollah.
Bibi Titi Mohamed, the only woman who built TANU and campaigned for Nyerere single-handedly, also lost her Rufiji seat to one A.M. Mtanga.
There were unconfirmed rumours of ballot rigging and a conspiracy against Tewa and Titi and certain names within the Party top leadership, including that of Nyerere were mentioned.
The two were respectively, president and vice-president of the EAMWS. [1]
this day Tewa claims that he did not lose the election. Election results were delayed for no apparent reason and were announced two days late. [/TD]
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[TD="width: 601"] Abdulwahid knew the consequences of this Muslim division.
He had witnessed the power of Muslim unity during the struggle for independence.
Abdulwahid also knew the force, fear and people behind the unholy alliance.
He knew about the conspiracy and the personalities working behind the scenes against Muslim unity.
Abdulwahid's former allies had come to fear that, after independence, Islam which had been the ideology of resistance against colonialism was becoming a threat to the future of Christianity in free Tanzania. [/TD]
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[TD="width: 601"] Before he passed away Abdulwahid was to have an audience with Nyerere. This encounter between Abdulwahid and Nyerere took place in the last months of 1968 amid the arrests and detention of sheikhs and prominent Muslims.
The two were old friends. Probably if it were not for Abdulwahid's support of Nyerere the history of TANU and that of Nyerere would have taken a different course.
This meeting was important to Abdulwahid because he somehow felt responsible for what was befalling Muslims, particularly those in Dar es Salaam.
Reports of Muslims being picked up at night and sent away to be detained were reaching him almost every day.
Abdulwahid could not pretend that he was not affected by those arrests. Some of those put under custody were people he had known since childhood and personally mobilised in 1950s in initiating his political career and building Nyerere's own power base in TANU. [/TD]
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[TD="width: 601"] Abdulwahid told Nyerere that he may have no connection with his victims when he signs detention orders.
Those were people who Abdulwahid met either at the mosque or in the streets.
He, as a person living among Muslims and the family of those victims, felt their anguish and grief.
Abdulwahid told Nyerere that those people knew of his (Abdulwahid's) role in Nyerere's rise to power.
They came to him begging him to intercede with Nyerere on their behalf.
Abdulwahid told Nyerere that the detentions were wrong because those people did not have power to overthrow his government.
In a sad tone Abdulwahid ended his address by telling Nyerere, "As I walk out of this room I want to believe that, you, Julius Nyerere, have not now turned against us." With those words Abdulwahid made his exit. [/TD]
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[1]After a silence of almost thirty years Titi Mohamed revealed that it was Nyerere
who was behind her downfall, the reason being that she had opposed him in the
TANU-NEC when he was seeking a mandate from Muslims in the TANU leadership
to ban the EAMWS. See article in Rai of 29 th December, 1994.
Mohamed,
Hujatuambia hapa Nyerere alimjibu nini Abdulwahid. Haiingii akilini Abdulwahid anazungumza peke yake mbele ya Nyerere na Nyerere kuwa bubu. Kuhusu bibi Titi, alikiri mwenyewe kuwa alimpinga ndani ya NEC. Actually yeye pamoja na Tewa Saidi Tewa walianzisha harakati za kukusanya fedha za EAMWS kwa madhumuni ya kumwondoa Nyerere kwenye uongozi wa TANU. Bibi Titi acknowledges such. So in such a situation ulidhani Nyerere atamchukua Bibi Titi for a waltz dance?
Hutuambii hapa njama zilizokuwa zinafanywa na hao viongozi wa Kiislamu dhidi ya Nyerere. I can see Abdulwahid's concern for his friends and neighbours, but this does not translate to being kuupiga vita Uislamu.
Sana nimekuelewa.
Je bila ya ''inner circle'' ya TAA na viongozi wa Dar es Salaam angeweza kupata
watu wa kumuunga mkono?
Nani angelimjulisha wa Sheikh Hassan bin Amir?
Mohamed,
Hujatuambia hapa Nyerere alimjibu nini Abdulwahid. Haiingii akilini Abdulwahid anazungumza peke yake mbele ya Nyerere na Nyerere kuwa bubu. Kuhusu bibi Titi, alikiri mwenyewe kuwa alimpinga ndani ya NEC. Actually yeye pamoja na Tewa Saidi Tewa walianzisha harakati za kukusanya fedha za EAMWS kwa madhumuni ya kumwondoa Nyerere kwenye uongozi wa TANU. Bibi Titi acknowledges such. So in such a situation ulidhani Nyerere atamchukua Bibi Titi for a waltz dance?
Hutuambii hapa njama zilizokuwa zinafanywa na hao viongozi wa Kiislamu dhidi ya Nyerere. I can see Abdulwahid's concern for his friends and neighbours, but this does not translate to being kuupiga vita Uislamu.
To tell you the truth angeweza. Nyerere hakuwahitaji wazee wa Dar kuanzisha vuguvugu la kudai uhuru. Wazee wa Dar walimhitaji Nyerere kuliko Nyerere alivyowahitaji wao. Ikumbukwe kuwa alikuwa tayari ameshaazimia kuingia kwenye siasa miaka karibu kumi nyuma. Tayari katika kufikia lengo hilo alishaamua kuanzisha chama cha siasa ili kudai uhuru - hii ilikuwa kabla ya kukutana na wazee wa Dar.
Kuingia kwake TAA kulikuja as a matter of convenience. Katika hotuba yake ile ya 1985 anasema hivi yeye mwenyewe:
Pale, mimi na wanafunzi wenzangu tulikuwa tumeanzisha chama kinachoitwa Tanganyika African Welfare Association (TAWA) cha wanafunzi wa Tanganyika; mimi nikiwa katibu wao. Hapa tukaona mambo yanakwenda vizuri kidogo.
Tukaona kwanini TAWA iwe ya wanafunzi peke yao na siyo Tanganyika nzima. Kwa hiyo nikawaandikia baadhi ya watu Tanganyika. Nikasema, jamani ee, tumeanzisha chama, kwanini msianzishe huko matawi ya chama hicho?
Hivyo unaweza kuona kwanza kabisa kuwa kuanzisha TAWA kule Makerere hakufanya kwa msaada wa Sykes, Sheikh Amir au mzee yeyote wa Dar. Katika kuanzisha chama hicho Makerere tunaweza kuona sifa kadhaa za Nyerere. Alikuwa ni strategist, organizer, highly political and an incredible visionary. Lakini hilo peke yake halitoshi anaelezea na kusema:
Ndugu Mwangosi akapata barua hiyo. Alikuwa miongoni mwa waliopata barua hiyo. Akaniandikia nikiwa Makerere akasema: wewe kwanini unataka kuanzisha chama kipya? Kipo chama. Kipo chama cha TAA (Tanganyika African Association).
Kwa hiyo la maana siyo kuanzisha matawi, maana chama kipo na matawi yameenea; la maana ni kwamba hicho chama chenu mfute, na muanzishe tawi la Tanganyika African Association.
Kwa mara nyingine tunaona kuwa Nyerere alikuwa tayari kuingia katika harakati za kuanzisha vuguvugu la uhuru kupitia chama cha TAWA - sijui kama angeendelea na hilo na kupata majibu kwa watu wengine alioawaandikia barua Tanganyika mwelekeo wa siasa ungekuwaje. Ni rahisi kuliona hili hasa baada ya Nyerere kujiunga TAA na TANU na harakati zake kuipeleka TANU kwa wananchi. Nina uhakika wa kutosha tu kwa kuangalia historia Nyerere asingepata shida kupata watu mikoani kupitia TAWA! Watu wa Dar wasingeweza kwenda bara na hawakuweza kwenda bara miaka yote lakini Nyerere aliweza na ndio maana watu wa bara walimpokea kwa mikono yote.
Inawezekana tukiangalia nyuma na hasa haya yanayofuatia sasa hivi kutoka na histohisia yake LABDA lilikuwa kosa kubwa la Nyerere kukubali kuvunja chama alichoanzisha na kujiunga na watu wa Dar ambao baadaye watoto wao wamekuja kumgeuka na kumchoma mikuki kila kona! Angeendelea na chama chake cha TAWA na kukaribisha watu wengine TAA labda nayo isingefika mbali sana.
Kwa hiyo, Nyerere angeweza kabisa kufanikiwa kisiasa bila wazee wako au wazee wengine wa Dar; lakini ni wazi kuwa kwa vile hakuwa anajifikiria yeye na kupata umaarufu yeye peke yake aliamua kukubali kufuta chama chake na kujiunga na TAA na kuendelea na mpango wake wa kuliongoza taifa kuelekea uhuru akishirikiana na wengine wote ambao walikuwa tayari kusimama nyuma yake yeye akiwa kiongozi wao - shujaa kati ya mashujaa. Na ndio maana anaitwa kwa haki kabisa BABA WA TAIFA MWALIMU JULIUS KAMBARAGE NYERERE!
A leader of extraordinary caliber of whose stature no else has ever attempted to match..
Jasusi, mimi nilianza kutilia mashaka maneno wanayowekewa mdomoni hawa wazee wa Mohamed Saidi zamani sana, ndiyo maana nikawa najiuliza kulikoni? Wengine tunakumbuka sana Bibi Titi Mohamed alivyokiri kwa mdomo wake kuwa alishiriki katika kukusanya fedha za EAMWS kwa lengo la kumwondoa Nyerere madarakani. Lakini ndugu yetu Mohamed Said haelezei hasa kilichotokea, kwake yeye EAMWS ilipigwa marufuku kwa kuwa kilikuwa na nia ya kuwaendeleza Waislaam kwa kujenga Chuo Kikuu cha Kiislaam! Na kuna watu wanaamini ngano hiyo! Hutuambii hapa njama zilizokuwa zinafanywa na hao viongozi wa Kiislamu dhidi ya Nyerere. I can see Abdulwahid's concern for his friends and neighbours, but this does not translate to being kuupiga vita Uislamu. Mathalani hebu tujiulize...tuseme kwa mfano serikali ipate habari kuwa kuna kikundi cha watu kinachangisha fedha kwa lengo la kumwondoa Kikwete madarakani, serikali itafanya nini?Mohamed,
Hujatuambia hapa Nyerere alimjibu nini Abdulwahid. Haiingii akilini Abdulwahid anazungumza peke yake mbele ya Nyerere na Nyerere kuwa bubu. Kuhusu bibi Titi, alikiri mwenyewe kuwa alimpinga ndani ya NEC. Actually yeye pamoja na Tewa Saidi Tewa walianzisha harakati za kukusanya fedha za EAMWS kwa madhumuni ya kumwondoa Nyerere kwenye uongozi wa TANU. Bibi Titi acknowledges such. So in such a situation ulidhani Nyerere atamchukua Bibi Titi for a waltz dance?
Mwisho wake ikawa inahitaji mtu "mwenye roho ngumu" kwelikweli kuikaribia maiti ya "mtakatifu"Karibu tujifunze histori ya nchi, sio ya wazee wako wale WALIOASI baada ya uhuru na wakakumbana na ghadhabu ya watanzania chini Mtakatifu Julius Nyerere!
Sina lakini najua kama wamejiwekea asilimia zakupitisha hakuna shida.
Tuseme wanapitisha 10% ya watahiniwa wote wa ki-Islamu, hivyo dawa ni kuongeza idadi ya wahitimu. Hii ina maana kuwa 10% ileile lakini idadi ya wahitimu ni wengi.
Jasusi,
Unajua kama Bi Titi aliteswa sana gerezani?
Na aliyemtesa alijulikana?
Huyu mtesaji unaijua khatma yake ilikuwaje?
Nani ataikubali kauli ya mtu aliyeteswa?
Mwisho wake ikawa inahitaji mtu "mwenye roho ngumu" kwelikweli kuikaribia maiti ya "mtakatifu"
Na sio jicho la gerezani tu bali la ''umanyema tena wenye waislam asilimia 100''Kwa Musoma hapana. Nitakupa sababu zake. Nyerere alikuwa nationalist. Labda enzi hizo tumwite territorial. Aliiangalia Tanganyika si kwa macho ya Umusoma, au Gerezani kama unavyofanya. Na nahisi hiyo ndiyo tofauti kubwa kati yako na Nyerere kwa sababu yeye aliiona Tanzania kwa umoja wake wakati wewe uliiangalia zaidi kupitia macho ya Gerezani.Hata ukiangalia juhudi alizofanya akiwa Makerere alijikita zaidi kushirikiana na wenzake kutafuta chombo cha kuikomboa Tanganyika. Sasa, kama Musoma ingekuwa ndiyo makao makuu ya Tanganyika, then that would have been another issue. Sijui umenielewa?
wana ukumbi naomba kujua yericko nyerere ni mtoto wa ngapi wa marehem julius kambarage nyerere?ama ana uhisiano gani ya moja kwa moja na mtakatifu julius nyerere?
"eti kambarage leo bila haya,bila soni nayeye anaveshwa cheo cha utakatifu"
mwenye majibu ya uhusiano wa yericko na julius tafadhali atujuze kwa maana yeye mwenyewe kagoma kabisa kuweka wazi ukweli huo.