Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

ntamaholo said:
hivi waislam J.K., MWINYI, SALIMIN na wengine walioongoza katika nchi hii, wameifanyia nini Tanzania?
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"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing
 
Gwalihenzi said:
Ritz, ungekuwa umeuweka ushabiki pembeni na kuziangalia hoja za Nguruzi3 kwa jicho la kisoma hakika ungejua kwamba mzee Mohamed Saidi ameziddiwa kabisa na sasa amebaki na turufu ya uislam na mashabiki wa uislam tu.
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As long as you are convinced you have never done anything, you can never do anything
 
Ritz said:
Development and Religion in Tanzania

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MOVEMENT
Jan P. van Bergen's book quoted Nyerere by saying that the interest of his (Roman) Church came first, and would never go against his Church so as to liberate it from the matope (mud), which it has accumulated by being identified with world situation in Europe. This is clear testimony indicated that Nyerere ruled his country for the betterment of clandestine Catholic Church Movement (CCM), in Tanzania and Muslims in this country were the first in the world who contributed money to the Catholic secessionist state of Biafra in Nigeria to fight against their fellow Muslims in Nigeria, the most populous Muslim nation in Africa. The Catholic Church Movement in Biafra demanded to secede to rid themselves in what they called "a calamitous slavery in an ocean of Muslims." In contrary, a number of Muslim troops from Zanzibar were disproportionately killed during the Nyerere's invasion of Uganda in 1979 which toppled a Muslim ruler, Iddi Amin and re-installed Nyerere's old friend, Milton Obote, a Christian who supported Nyerere for the creation of Tanzania in collaboration with the Central Inteligence Agency (CIA) whose director was George Bush, later the former US President.

Their huge Christian Churches as well as many seminaries and proliferation of foreign priests and sisters in Tanzanian Churches, is a firm evidence that Christian organizations in Tanzania are affiliated with and used by foreign countries, because they can not through their local donation alone to carry out such activities and finance the lavish-style of their Church leaders. All the Churches and monasteries in Tanzania are the property of the Western nations, from where they recieve their orders and budgets for evangelism. For instance, the Tanzanian Catholic Church is the property of Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Belgians and French, the Lutheran Church is the property of Germans and Dutch, the architect of the apartheid in South Africa. The Anglican Church is the property of the British, the Moravian Church is the property of the Nordic countries, the Church of Pentecostal Assemblies of God, Seventh Day Adventists and African Inland Mission, among others are the properties of the United States. Further evidence of their affiliation is that all the Churches in developing countries, including Tanzania are referred to as "provinces" meaning that they are a sort of institutional chapters, and that their highest leadership is from the Western countries instead of host countries.

The proliferation of Western Churches in Tanzania, led to the formation of many organizations such as the Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC), the Catholic Secretariat representing the largest Christian denomination; the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania (ELCT), representing the non-Catholic denomination; the Christian Council of Tanzania (CCT), comprising of Protestant Missionary Societies, the Office of the Anglican Archbishops, the Office of the Archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Church and the National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahais, among others. The Tanzanian Churches are affiliated either with World Council of Churches or Lutheran World Federation. In contrast, the Muslims in Tanzania are marginalized and they are not allowed to be affiliated with any global Muslim organization, whether the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) or the Islamic Organization of Africa (IOA), in the gist that Tanzania is a secular state, despite the fact that secularism is a Christian ethos of governance (Matthew 22:21) and mimicked from the Western nations like the Unites States. Ironically, that Tanzania is a member of the Commonwealth, whose chief should always be the head of the Anglican Church of England, the former colonial ruler before the ascendancy of Nyerere in Zanzibar and Tanganyika.

EDUCATION UNDER CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP
To many uninformed people, Nyerere is a public defender of secularism in the ruling Party and the government. But his secret meetings with Church leadership is quite the opposite. In his confidential conversation on August 2, 1970, with Rev. Robert Rweyemaum, the then Secretary General of Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC), the largest Christian denomination of Catholic Church, Nyerere is quoted in a book Development and Religion in Tanzania by J. P. van Bergen as saying that he has established in TANU a department of political education and that he deliberately appointed a Christian minister to head it not because he was a strong politician but because of his Catholic Faith. This book published by the Catholic Church stated that this reason the Rev. Mushendwa with his strong solid Christian faith, was put in charge of TANU's Development of Political Education. Nyerere continued what was left by the British educational discparity against the Muslims. He was aware of Muslim's grievance in the area of education. He wrote in his book Freedom and Unity that the disparity of educational levels could be used as a political issue:

The enmity which could be stirred by the evil minded between Muslims and Christians as we all know, the colonial government did not concern itself very much with education and therefore the majority of those who managed to acquire did so in the mission schools, and are therefore mostly Christians. Here again, then we have a division by its very existence constitutes a political threat to unity. (p. 179).

The Muslims in Tanganyika who pioneered and led the grassroot struggle against the Anglo-Ducth colonial rule to end oppression have not reaped the fruits of their labor since the 1961 independence. Many questions are now being asked by the contemporary Muslims about this bag puzzle. Educational disparity between Muslims and Christians goes on abated. In Tanganyika, Muslims claimed that they have been marginalised in their own country before and after independence. Their past experience with Nyerere convinced them that it is unfair to expect Christian, however sincere or honest he might appear to the public, to safeguard the interest of Muslims. He vowed not to improve the level of Muslim education in Tanganyika and Zanzibar.

Recent study conducted by G.A. Malekela, a Christian Professor in the Faculty of Education at the University of Dar es Salaam, stated that in the government Secondary schools in Tanganyika in 1983, Christians were 78% and all non-Christians were only 22%. Christians are clearly over represented despite the fact that Muslims are 65% in the population of Tanganyika. The latest research done by the Dar es Salaam University Muslims Trusteeship (DUMT) and published in 1992 by Al-Haqq International showed that the number of Muslim students has been falling in the country's university Dar es Salaam and colleges. At the University of Dar es Salaam alone, the research reported that the total enrollment for the 1986-1990 was 4,191. Out of this number, Muslim students were only 586, or 13%, whereas Christians were 3,609 or 87%. It is was not therefore a sheer coincidence throughout his uninterrupted 24 years as the President of Tanzania (1961-1985), Nyerere, being a Catholic had always appointed a Christian to head the Ministry in Education. Muslims stated that because of this ever-increasing under-representation of Muslims in relation to Christians in Secondary and Higher Education, all key posts in the Tanzanian administration and public institutions came to be dominated by Christians, while Muslims largely relegated to menial positions such as drivers and messengers. The Muslims in Tanganyika are demanding their a fair share of the national cake because after independence, Tanganyikan Muslim student intake, is below 10%; the Muslim Cabinet ministers are negligible while Muslim principal secretaries and heads of parastatal organization are non-existent.

But like Tanganyika, the Muslims in Zanzibar have been discriminated against education in foreign countries after the forceful union of Tanganyika and Zanzibar to form Tanzania. Mohammed Mwinyi Mzale, the then Minister for Education in Zanzibar stated that of the 12 members of the Joint Selection Committee (JOSECO) which selects students for higher education in university and institutions at home and abroad, none is from Zanzibar. He lamented that when students on Zanzibar's scholarship turn up at Tanzania missions abroad, they are kept a stiff arm's length away on the pretext that they are not on a United Republic's scholarship, even though in fact Zanzibar pays its share in the Union's higher education budget. He contended that the executive bodies of higher education are Union only in word but in deeds and in their structure, there are mainland creatures and are there to do its biding. The Union parliament formulate policies for the interest of Tanganyika and believed that somehow the Tanganyika and Union governments are Siamese twins.
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Ritz,
Kwanza nikuulize. Ulichobandika hapa ni kutoka kitabu cha van Bergen au kutoka kwa mwandishi mwingine anayemnukuu? Kama ni mwandishi mwingine naomba uweke jina lake. Mimi nimeomba nukuu kutoka "horse's mouth" yaani kitabu cha van Bergen chenyewe na si third party. Asante
 
Mohamed Said said:
G,

Inaelekea hilo la kuandika kitabu limekushindeni.
Sistaajabu kwani naelewa uzito wa kuandika kitabu.

Mimi siwezi kujificha kwenye kichaka chochote.
Lakini huo ukweli wenu mbona hatuuoni.

Mengi ni kutoka kwangu.
Wasomaji wanapata darsa zangu.

Kisha nyie mnafuatilia nyuma kwa kejeli na kebehi.

Nakuwekeeani vitu vya ndani kabisa hata Nyaraka
za Taifa (National Archive) hawana.

Mko tuliiiii...
Kama vile hamjui kusoma.

Hivi ndivyo tunavyoendesha mnakasha ambao
sasa wasikizaji wamepita 70,000.
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Huuoni wewe na nani? mara ngapi umeuulizwa maswali "very genuine" ukayakimbia kwa visingizio visivyo hata na maana. Mohamed, kitu gani kinakupa imani kwamba hawa watu wanaofutilia mnakasha huu wanaamini hii HISTOHISIA yako?
 
Boko haram said:
Wacha hizo wewe mzee ametoa ushauri mzuri kwasababu sio watu wote walokisoma kitabu cha mzee mohamed said wako hapa jf kwahiyo nyinyi mnaodai ni uchochezi wazindueni kwa kuandika kitabu chenu sawa bwana mdogo?
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Wewe nilisha kwambia upo chini ya kiwango, funga domo lako, hii ngoma mwachie huyo mzee wako
Mohamed Saidi a.k.a mzee chauchochezi!
 
Ritz said:
Hicho kitabu cha Bergen Jan Pvan nimemletea Jasusi,

Hata wewe ni rafiki yangu kipenzi hakuna audui wazee wetu wametufundisha ivyo.
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Lakini bado nina swali. Ulichoweka hapo juu ni kitabu cha van Bergen au ni mtu anajaribu kutuelezea aliyoyaandika van Bergen? Kwa nini? Kwa sababu sijawahi kusoma kitabu cha van Bergen lakini hizo nukuu nimewahi kuzisoma elsewhere.
 
Mohamed Said said:
MM,

Abdu angechukua uongozi wa TANU 1954 ingekuwa tabu sana
kupata mwelekeo wa umoja wa Watanganyika.

Angalia ile picha ya TANU pale New Street ya Waislam watupu.
Waingereza wangepata mahali pa kupenyeza fitna zao.

Wasingeshindwa kuihusisha TANU na Al Jamiatul Islamiyya na kusema
na kukipa chama nembo ya udini.

Ingelikuwa tabu sana kujinasua hapo na hasa kama wangejitokeza Wakristo
wakaunda chama cha siasa.

Hii ndiyo sababu ya kutaka kumleta Chief Kidaha katika TAA na kisha iundwe
TANU Kidaha akiwa rais wake.

Nyerere alijaza vizuri sana ile nafasi na ingawa palikuwa na matatizo lakini
yaliwezwa kutatuliwa bila ya TANU kutetereka.

Ilikuwa picha ya aina yake pale Mnazi Mmoja Sheikh Suleiman Takadir anapanda
jukwaani anasoma dua kisha anamkaribisha Nyerere kuhutubia.
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Mohamed Saidi, umeona jinsi wazee wako walivyoona mbali na walivyotumia busara kuweka pembeni "religious prejudices" na kufungamana na wasio waislam kupambana na ukoloni! Sasa wewe kinakushinda nini kuwaiga hao wazee? Mbona wewe huishi kutafuta visingizio vya kuuvunja umoja wetu na amani tunayofurahia nchini mwetu. Adui wa watanzania sio imani zao ila viongozi waliokosa "vision" , umaskini, ujinga, maradhi na ufisadi. Tuunganishe nguvu kupambana na maadui hao kama vile wazee wetu walivyounganisha nguvu zao kupambana na ukoloni wa muingereza.
 
Gwalihenzi said:
Mohamed Saidi, umeona jinsi wazee wako walivyoona mbali na walivyotumia busara kuweka pembeni "religious prejudices" na kufungamana na wasio waislam kupambana na ukoloni! Sasa wewe kinakushinda nini kuwaiga hao wazee? Mbona wewe huishi kutafuta visingizio vya kuuvunja umoja wetu na amani tunayofurahia nchini mwetu. Adui wa watanzania sio imani zao ila viongozi waliokosa "vision" , umaskini, ujinga, maradhi na ufisadi. Tuunganishe nguvu kupambana na maadui hao kama vile wazee wetu walivyounganisha nguvu zao kupambana na ukoloni wa muingereza.
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G,

Nakuuliza baada ya haya yote walifanya wazee wetu nini
ilikuwa ijaza yao?

Nyerere na Kanisa Katoliki wakala njama dhidi ya Uislam
na Waislam.

Sehemu ya tatu ya kitabu changu nimeeleza kwa kina
njama hizo na athari zake.

Unataka tuweke ushahidi hapa?
 
Jasusi said:
Lakini bado nina swali. Ulichoweka hapo juu ni kitabu cha van Bergen au ni mtu anajaribu kutuelezea aliyoyaandika van Bergen? Kwa nini? Kwa sababu sijawahi kusoma kitabu cha van Bergen lakini hizo nukuu nimewahi kuzisoma elsewhere.
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Jasusi,

Kitabu ujawahi kukisoma lakini unapinga kilichandikwa.
 
Gwalihenzi said:
Wewe nilisha kwambia upo chini ya kiwango, funga domo lako, hii ngoma mwachie huyo mzee wako
Mohamed Saidi a.k.a mzee chauchochezi!
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Gwalihenzi,

Mbona tena unaghadhibika?

Kuandika historia ya kweli ndiyo
kuchochea?

Bergen ni mchochezi?
Sivalon je?

Au Njozi na ''Mwembechai Kiliings...''
nae ni mchochezi?

Kwa hiyo kuandika kitabu kama
kile cha Kivukoni College ndiyo sawa?

Kwa kuwa kimewaweka nje Waislam
waliopiganiauhuru na kumtaja Nyerere
peke yake ndiyokimekuwa kitabu cha
maana cha kupigiwa mfano?
 
Ritz said:
Jasusi,

Kitabu ujawahi kukisoma lakini unapinga kilichandikwa.
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Kitabu cha van Bergen sijawahi kukisoma. Lakini hizo quotes zinazozungumzia kitabu cha van Bergen nimeshawahi kuzisoma. Umezitoa wapi?
 
Gwalihenzi said:
Huuoni wewe na nani? mara ngapi umeuulizwa maswali "very genuine" ukayakimbia kwa visingizio visivyo hata na maana. Mohamed, kitu gani kinakupa imani kwamba hawa watu wanaofutilia mnakasha huu wanaamini hii HISTOHISIA yako?
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G,

Mbona hili nishasema mara elfu?

Siko humu kuaminiwa kwa kile ninachooleza.

Niko hapa kueleza tu kile ambacho wengi hawakuwa
wanakijua.

Wangapi walikuwa wanjua maisha ya Abdu Sykes na
uhusiano wake na harakati za uhuru na kuasisi TANU?

Wangapi walikuwa wanamjua Sheikh Hassan bin Amir?
Au Mshume Kiyate au Sheikh Suleiman Takadir.

Au wangapi walikuwa wanajua ule moyo wa TANU miaka
ya 1950 ilivyokuwa unawatuma wazalendo kujitolea hadi
nafsi zao ili uhuru upatikane?

Nani alikuwa anakijua kisa cha Rashid Ali Meli bwana fedha
wa Dar es Salaam Municipal Council aliyekwenda kuchota
fedha za serikali akamletea mweka hazina wa TANU Idd
Faiz atunishe mfuko wa safari ya Nyerere UNO 1955?

Kama ninsingeandika historia hii leo hazina hii ingepotea.

Najua historia hii nzuri inakuchomeni.
Lakini nina khiyari?
 
Mohamed Said said:
G,

Nakuuliza baada ya haya yote walifanya wazee wetu nini
ilikuwa ijaza yao?

Nyerere na Kanisa Katoliki wakala njama dhidi ya Uislam
na Waislam.

Sehemu ya tatu ya kitabu changu nimeeleza kwa kina
njama hizo na athari zake.

Unataka tuweke ushahidi hapa?
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Hapo kwenye rangi nyekundu ndipo penye mzizi wa HISTOHISIA yako! tangu ulipoanza kuimba hizo nyimbo zako za uchochezi hujawahi kutoa ushahidi thabiti kuthibitisha madai yako haya zaidi ya kujenga hoja kupitia hisia na dini ya kislam kuungwa mkono.
 
zomba said:
Unaonesha huu mjadala umeuvamia bila kusoma posts za mwanzo, kwa faida yako nakurudisha page ya kwanza yenye majibu, jisomee kidogo upate faida:
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Zomba.
Mengi uliyoyanukuu hayana ukweli wowote.
Punguzeni chuki na ukristo.
Hivi inashindikana nini kwa kikwete kuupngua huo mfumo kristo kama kweli upo?
 
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