Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

Ritz said:
Hazina maana kwako wengine wanachota Ilm kutoka kwa Mohamed Said.
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Unajua Ritz, mtu akikuambia Nyerere alikuwa Mmanda na Nkrumah alikuwa Mzanaki nawe ukakubali kuwa hiyo ni ilm mtu huyo atakuwa amekufikisha kiwango cha juu sana cha udhalili. Elimu ni maarifa siyo udanganyifu.

Hivi unaamini kuwa Tanzania ni mwanachama wa commonwealth kwasababu ya mfumo Kristo. Hiyo ni Ilm kweli unayoweza kumpa kijana wako kutoka kwa Mohamed Said Abdallah Mwekapopo Muyukwa Semitungo

Hivi mtu akikwambia Nigeria ina waislam wengi barani Afirka haikushughulishi kufikiri zaidi ya hapo unameza nzima nzima bila kutafuna kwasababu ni Ilm.

Hivi mtu akikwambia Nyerere alikwenda sokoni bila kujua bidhaa zinauzwa, ni ilm kweli unayozingatia.

Hivi mtu akikuambia enrollment ya UDSM Muslims vs Christian ni 18 : 82 na kesho akaja akakumabia Muslim vs Non muslim ni 18:82 hapo utakuwa umepata ilm au umevurugwa tu kwasababu upo tayari kumeza kila kinachotupwa ukumbini.

Hivi mtu akikuambia kuwa Nyerere msomi na mwalimu aliandikiwa hotuba na kwenda kuisoma kama kasuku miaka 1950... kukiwa hakuna wasomi unaweza kuitia akilini tu kwasababu ni ilm.

Mtu akisema Darul Iman imenyimwa kibali cha kujenga chuo cha ufundi wakati Islamic foundation imepewa kibali cha kujenga misikiti 700 bado unakubali kuwa hapo pana ilm kubwa.

Leo mtu akikuambia mwaka 1981 Nyerere na BAKWATA walishindwa na Warsha, halafu mtu huyo huyo leo anakuambia BAKWATA ni vibaraka inakuingia akilini mtu huyu anasimamia wapi na je hiyo ni ilm kweli.

Kama ilm ni kuorodhesha majina ya majirani hapo sawa na hilo kila mtu ataamua lakini kama ni zaidi ya hapo vipi Tatu Said na Mwanameka wawe zaidi ya Kyaruzi na Matola.

Ilm ni maarifa na maarifa ndiyo yanampa mtu ilm. Ilm si kumeza bali kutafakari na kumeng'enya. Kumeza ni hatari maana sisi si makinda ya ndege au nyoka. Sisi si wakaa vijiweni ukituambia kitu tunatafuta ukweli wake.
 
Haswaaa! lakini hatutaki kusikia inasemekana.

Hilo la kunipuuza lisikupe shida hata kidogo. Ukishabanwa huwa unakimbia a.k.a unapuuza.
Kuna hoja lukuki umezikimbia tena za watu mbali mbali seuse mie!
Wewe unajali kuweka nukuu zako mwenyewe, sisi tumelenga kuonyesha wapi ulipo, unapokwenda na kwasababu gani.

Tupo kuweka record straight na kuhakikisha kuwa kizazi hiki kilichomezeshwa ngano kwa miaka 15 sasa basi tunakipa time out!

Mohamed, 100,000 wanaweza kununua kitabu cha sh 2,000 kwasababu lunch zao ni zaidi ya hapo.
Kinachowaweka hapa jamvini ni kuona yale yalyofichwa katika maandishi na hakika leo kuna wanaoujitia muda wao kusoma non-fiction kumbe ni fiction imewekwa katika genre nyingine kwa makosa.
 
Ritz said:
Kabla ya Mohamed Said kuandika historia ulikuwa umepata kuwasikia kina Dr James Kwegyir Aggey, Phelps Stokes, Frederick Mchauru,
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Wakati mwingine ushabiki wako kwa Mohamed Said huwa unachekesha sana, kwani yeye Mohamed taarifa za hao watu alizipata wapi kiasi kwamba yeye awe na 'monopoly' nazo na sisi wengine tusiwe na uwezo wa kuzipata kabla ya kuwekwa hapa na yeye?
 

Naam ndugu yangu! Lakini ngoja tuwasaidie wale ambao wameakuwa wakiamini huu utafiti uchwara wa WARSHA mbele kidogo:

Hoja nzima ya "dhulma" katika elimu inatokana na "utafiti" wa chuo kikuu kimoja tu katika Tanzania nzima. Na katika hicho chuo ni baadhi ya faculties tu zimeangaliwa. Na katika hizo ambazo hazikuangaliwa ni zile ambazo ni muhimu kwa namna ya pekee - Medicine, Kilimo na Veterinary Science. Na ikumbukwe huko kote kilichoangaliwa na majina tu. Yaani, "watafiti" wakachukua kitabu cha majina wakaanza kuangalia nani ana jina la Kikristu na nani ana jina la Kiislamu. Ambaye hakuwa na jina linaloashiria dini yake basi aliwekwa kwenye "wengine" na hata wale ambao wenye majina 'neutral' nao waliwekwa pembeni. Majina kama "Neema, Baraka, Furaha, Daudi" yanawekwa pembeni. Hili tatizo la kwanza - na ni dogo.

Tatizo la pili la "utafiti" wakina Mohammed Said na kundi lake ni kuwa unajaribu kuonesha 'systematic discrimination" katika mfumo wa elimu. Bw. Said hapo nyuma akijinukuu mwenyewe anasema hivi-kwa ujasiri wa kisomi:

For the first time it was revealed that there was a system in the Ministry of Education supported byChristian functionaries which was discriminatory to Muslim youths, purposelybarring them from institutions of higher learning
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Kimsingi anadai kuwa kwa kuangalia 'utafiti' wao huo walifikia hitimisho kuwa kulikuwa na 'sytem' ambayo ilikuwa 'discriminatory to Muslim Youths'. Sasa mtu anaweza kufikia hitimisho hilo kama amefanya utafiti wakutosha - wenye kuhusisha sample ya kutosha na yenye perimeters zinazoeleweka. Kwa kuangalia majina kwenye kitabu peke yake inatosha kweli?

Lakini zaidi la kuudhi ni kweli kwa kuangalia UDSM peke yake tu anaweza kufikia hitimisho la kuweza kuextrapolate his findings to the nation as a whole starting with Ministry of Education?

Mtu yeyote anayesoma takwimu na hata wanaojifunza Research 101 cha kwanza kabisa ni kuwa na sample ya kutosha. Lakini siyo sample tu bali kuna kitu muhimu sana ambacho ni "random sample". Ili uweze kupata matokeo ya kutosha katika utafiti wenye lengo la kupata takwimu fulani basi sample yako ni lazima iwe representative ya general population lakini pia iwe as random as possible. Na pale ambapo unataka kuonesha 'systematic discrimination' kama watu wa WARSHA walivyotaka kufanya basi huwezi kutumia chuo cha elimu ya juu kimoja.

Ili angalau tuweze kupima matokeo yale ni vizuri tungejua mgawanyo (distribution) ya Wakristu, Waislamu na Wengine katika elimu ya juu katika miaka hiyo ilikuwaje:

Chuo cha Uongozi Mzumbe - kilikuwa na intake ya WWW wangapi?
Chuo cha Kilimo Uyole -
Chuo cha Kilimo Morogoro (baadaye Sokoine)
Chuo cha Mifugo Tengeru
Chuo cha Mifugo Mpwapwa
Chuo cha Sanaa Bagamoyo
Taasisi ya Uvuvi Nyegezi
N.k

Na hapo hatujagusa vyuo vya Ualimu, na vyuo vingine vya elimu ya juu vya wakati huo hadi hivi vya sasa. Sasa ni akili gani inamfanya mtu achukue 'matokeo' ya chuo kimoja na kuyafanya yawe ya nchi nzima? HHivi kweli hakuna watu wenye uwezo wa kuwauliza hawa kina Mohammed Said na Warsha validity ya 'utafiti' wao? Hivi kweli hakuna wasomi Tanzania wanaoweza kudebunk this pseudo-research?

Na kweli wapo Waislamu wasomi wenye kuamini 'utafiti' huu? Msingi wa imani yao kwenye utafiti huu ni nini? NI kwa vile wamesema imefanywa na Waislamu? is that enough?
 

Nguruvi,

Narudia tena.
Mimi sijinukuu.

Hapa naweka yale ambayo nimeandika.
Ni mfano wa kufungua ukurusa nikakupa
usome.

Naweka hapa yasomwe kwa kuwa hakuna
mwenye taarifa hizi isipokuwa mimi.

Ikiwa sitaziweka hapa sasa tutajadili kitu gani?
Sikimbii hoja ila nakimbia ubishi.

Mimi siko hapa kubishana.

Niko humu kueleza kile ambacho maelezo yake
yalikuwa hayajulikani au maelezo yalikuwa ya
upande mmoja.

Miaka mingi propaganda ilikuwa Sheikh Hassan bin
Amir alikuwa na mipango ya kupindua nchi.

Mimi nimekuja na maelezo ya kisa cha kujenga chuo
kikuu chini ya EAMWS na yaliyotokea.

Msomaji sasa anaweza kuamua lipi aliamini.
La kupindua serikali au la kujenga chuo.
 
Nguruvi3 said:
Ceci Matola aliachwa kwa bahati mbaya na Mohamed. Naye pia hakusikika
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Ngruvi,

Cecil Matola nimemtaja.
Ndiyo husema kabla ya kuandika si uchukue muda ukasoma kwanza?:

In 1929 Kleist and some close friends, namely, Mzee bin Sudi, a Manyema
Ibrahim Hamis, a Nubi, Zibe Kidasi, AliSaid Mpima, Suleiman Majisu, Raikes
Kusi, Rawson Wattsand Cecil Matola founded the African Association. Kleist
was the founding secretary. At that time the Governor of Tanganyika was
Sir Donald Cameron who was the of the territory from 1925-1929.
 

Nguruvi,

Ni Samitungo siyo Semitungo.
 

Matola,
Sawa.

Nakushukuru hilo sikuwa nalijua kuwa Makaburu
walikuwa wanaweza kuingia Tanzania.
 

Tatizo lipo wapi? nyie mbona mliamini utafiti wa Mzee Mtei alipowaeleza kuwa kwenye wajumbe wa tume ya katiba walioteuliwa na rais Kikwete Waislam ni wengi na sisi Wakirsto ni wachache alitumia sampuli zipi kwenye tafiti zake.
 

Nguruvi3,

Hizi ni ngano umeamua kuziweke tui la nazi ziwe na radha mdomoni.
 

Nguruvi,

Tuendelee na darsa la mwalimu wangu Sheikh Malik:

Adam Nasibu meanwhile in connive with of the government travelled to Moshi and the reason he told the BAKWATA headquarters was that he was going to Kilimanjaro Christian Medical Centre (KCMC) for treatment. But that was not thereason.

Once in Moshi with the help of Sheikh Senare the BAKWATA chairman inKilimanjaro and Sheikh Jambeni from Tanga and other few handpicked BAKWATA members he called a secret meeting the agenda which was how to oust Sheikh Mohamed Ali from leadership.

It was decided by conspirators that a special meeting should be called in Dar es Salaam immediately to discuss what had transpired in BAKWATA since the banning of Muslim seminaries. The government put at its disposal it smanpower and resources to make the meeting a success.

Members of the BAKWATACentral Committee were sent invitations through police message. This type ofcommunication is usually used by the government for urgent messages because ofits efficiency.The meeting was called and Sheikh Mohamed Ali was accused of floutingthe BAKWATA constitution, conducting elections under an invalid constitutionand in collaboration with Warsha, for "mixing religion withpolitics." Sheikh Mohamed Ali wastherefore expelled from BAKWATA and Warsha "banned."

But it was not possible toban Warsha because the organisation was not in the first place registered. It was not therefore possible to ban an entity which does not officially exist in government registered organisations. The statement that Warsha is prohibited by the government from indulging in anything which has to do with Muslims ofTanzania did not affect its activities in any way.

More so Warsha's stature among Muslims was elevated and BAKWATA continued to be a pariah to Muslims. Thegovernment gave the transfer of power in BAKWATA special significance bypublishing the changes in BAKWATA in its daily paper.[1]

Warsha's mentor, Dr. Malik was declared a prohibited immigrant by theg overnment and was required to leave the country within twenty-four hours. His students advised him to go to Zanzibar to wait and plan his next move. Dr.Malik was received on Aboud Jumbe's orders while his students sorted outcertain issues for him, and packed his belongings.

Arrangements were made andDr. Malik went to Nairobi where he was employed by Islamic Foundation. Butbefore he left Dr. Malik told his students that BAKWATA were late in asking the government to deport him, he had already accomplished his work. Muslim occasions like Maulid celebrations were used by the government and BAKWATA to try to diffuse the situation by issuing statements condemning Warsha and whitewashing the government.

During Maulid celebrations of 1982 in Tabora, AdamNasib in the presence of the Vice-President, Rashid Kawawa and in live broadcast in the state owned radio warned the government of enemies who had invaded the country, meaning Dr. Malik, Sheikh Mohamed Ali and Warsha. Warsha had overtime managed to establish centres in certain areas of the country. Warsha responded to these accusations by distributing leaflets explaining position on the future of Islam in Tanzania and made Muslims beaware of their activities in trying to liberate Muslims. The government and BAKWATA could not match Warsha's truth with their propaganda. Muslims were sympathetic to Warsha and took Warsha's struggle as their own struggle. Muslims helped Warsha to establish a school Masjid Quba and Islamic Centrewhich was owned and managed by them.

In retaliation to these efforts thegovernment refused to register the school. The school was perceived by thegovernment as a centre of "Muslim fundamentalism." The government went further to subvert the school by warning Muslim parents that students completing their education at Masjid Quba would not be recognised by it andwould not be considered for further education or for employment. Warsha was not to be deterred they decided to run the school and educate Muslim children even without government registration.

Members of Warsha used to say that they havetheir consent from Allah; they don'tneed any permission from anyone. This was Warsha's motto. The school remained blacklisted by the government until 1988 when Prof. Malima as the first Muslim Minister of Education registered it. Indeed Dr. Malik had accomplished hiswork. The Muslims were aware of machinations against them and the strugglea gainst Christian hegemony in Tanzania had passed to a different flock of Muslims. In the coming years students of Prof. Malik and later students of those who were students of Dr. Malik in 1970s formed other powerful organisations and provided leadership in various Muslim organisation.
[1]Daily News 16 June, 1982.
[2] IPC are running two secondaryschools, a dispensary, and a newspaperAn-nuur and have several development projects to their credit.
 
Mwanakijiji, niendelee ulipoachia. Wengine wanachukia wakidhani hii ni kumpinga Mohamed.
Kwa wenye kutumia akili zao sehemu kidogo tu hili ni somo zuri sana kuhusu statistic na jinsi gani zinavyoweza kuondoa maana halisi ya utafiti wa mtu kwa jinsi zilivyopikwa.

Kwanza kabisa Mohamed ameonyesha kuwa source ya data zake ni University of Dar es Salaam.
UDSM ni chuo kikuu kinachotambulika kimataifa na hivyo data zake ni za uhakika.

Lakini basi soma mwisho wa jedwali lake. Source yake nyingine ni Daily News (1979/80-1981/82 DailyNews June 1979/1981).
Yaaani mtafiti anatafuta data magazetini! real!!

Zile alizopata UDSM nazo pia zina maswali muhimu sana. Angalia hapa chini
*Official Statistics notavailable. Yaani anamaanisha mwaka 1974/1975 chuo kikuu hawana data.Inaingia akilini kweli.
Nina hakika hakutafuta data kwa kutumia reliable source vinginevyo nashawashika sana kukishangaa chuo kikuu kwa kutokuwa na data za enrollment za miaka hiyo miwili

Halafu hizi (** Students selected forFaculty of Agriculture, Forestry and Veterinary Science and medicine not included.Source)
Kwamba data zake hazikujumuisha faculty tajwa. Mohamed alipaswa aeleze kwanini hakuzishirikisha faculty hizo katika study zake.
Hili lingekuwa ni moja ya limitation katika study yake na alipaswa azieleze. Kuziondoa tu kwa utasshi wake hakukidhi maana ya utafiti hata kwa bahati mbaya.

Kwa vile hakueleza ni ngumu kutumia neno UDSM as whole labda angesema sample data zake zimetoka faculty ABCD kwasababu ABCD na zitakapofanyiwa extrapolation basi zinaweza kutoa true conclusions kwasababu ABCD.

Na bado kuna maswali, hivi aliwezaje kujua kuwa Shukrani, bahati, zawadi, Mhina ni waislam au wakristo.
Kwamba mtu akiitwa Halima basi ni mwislam hata kama ameamua kumuenzi bibi yake ili hali yeye ana dini tofauti.
How did he come to the conclusion kwamba ABCD are christians or Muslims.

Ukisoma jedwali la Muslim vs Non muslims bado data zake ni raw. Mohamed anapaswa aeleze non muslims wanaundwa na kundi gani kwa kuonyesha makundi hayo kwa mchanganuo na namba zao za enrollment.
Waislam wenyewe wana groups kama Ismailia, Shia, Bohora, Sunni, Kadian, Sufi n.k. na hivyo kusema waisla as general bado haikidhi haja ya utafiti.

Hoja atakayokuja nayo ni kuwa waislam ni waislam bila kujali madhehebu na hapo tutamuuliza vipi Ismailia na Shia wawe tofauti katika elimu na wengine?

Kuondoa faculty za medicine, vet na Agric huenda ni kwa kutojua au kwa makusudi.
Nadhani lengo la Mohamed ni kutaka kuonyesha kuwa kukosekana au uwiano tofauti wa viongozi serikalini unatokana na chaguzi za kuingia chuo ambazo hufanywa systematic. Kwamba si rahisi kupata bwana shamba, afisa mifugo au dakatari katika fani ya utawala.
I could be wrong though! so the onus lies to Mohamed to prove me wrong!

Ukiangalia jedwali la shule za msingi kwenda sekondari bado Mohamed anajichanganya kama si kuchanganya umma.
Kwanini alichagua Dar es Salaama na kwa miaka miwili na wala siyo Tanga, Lindi au Musoma.

Wanajamvi ni lazima mambo ya kisayansi yafanywe kisayansi na kwa kuzingatia kanuni za kisayansi.
Hili la kubandika namba halafu tuambiwe ni ukweli haliingii akilini mwa wale wanaotumia sehemu za ubongo wao.

Huo alioufanya Mohamed si utafiti ni kitu kinachofanana na utafiti na pengine kingefanywa kwa uadilifu na umakini zaidi kingeweza kuwa utafiti.

Na mwisho, mleta mashataka ni Mohamed, mtafiti ni Mohamed na mtoa hukumu ni Mohamed.
 
Ha ha ha! hapa ndipo nilipotaka uje. Cecil Matola mbona hukutaja wadhifa wake. Makamu alikuwa nani na mwekahazina alikuwa nani.
 

that my friend, sums it up! Wanaofikiria kuwa wanaposoma 'takwimu' na maandishi ya Mohammed Said kuwa wanasoma kazi ya kisomi wanajidanganya na hawatendei haki akili zao. Ila kama kusoma kwa ajili ya kuburudika na kujifurahishha kwa hakika ni maandishi ys kusisimua!
 

Mzee Said, Unatengeneza historia yako mwenyewe halafu unasema ni kweli...

Aliyekuwa Waziri Mkuu na Makamu wa Pili wa Rais 1982 alikuwa ni Cleope D. Msuya... endelea kuwapata hawa wadogo zetu tu...
 
Matola said:
Kuna swali nimeuliza ni nini maana ya Islamic Propagation? twende taratibu ndiyo utamu wa Munakasha, usiskip maswali ya kuudhi.
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sasa islamic propagation inaingiaje hapo?
Au wewe motive yako ni christianity propagation?
 

please,no disrespect please,,
mzee ficha upumbavu wako tafadhali,huna na hutakuwa na mamlaka ya kusemea na kushikia akili zetu hata siku moja,kama wewe unaona sisi hatutumii akili zetu kwa kuskiliza na kupima hiki anachosema Moh Said,tuache na hiki tukiaminicho,
then hakuna mshitakiwa hapa,hamna uwezo wa kumshitaki wala kumtuhum Moh Said kwa alichokiandika,kipo ndan ya miaka 15 sasa,lait serikali ingekiona kitabu hiki ni controversial kingekipa Ban kama ilivofanya kwa kile cha mwembechai killings,
nayeye hayupo hapa kujitetea dhidi ya alichokiandika,yupo hapa kutoa elimu kwa wale ambao hawajui,na sio ninyi miliokalia ubishani tena kwa viroja bila hoja..
Ficha upumbavu wako tafadhali..
 
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