Mohamed Said
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Joka Kuu,
Nikipita Mwanza hufika kwenye darsa zake kusoma
tafsir ya Qur'an.
Mimi namjua Sheikh Ilunga kwa darsa hili.
Mohamed Said,
..huu mnakasha ni endelevu, na ndiyo maana umefika kurasa 500+ na maelfu ya wasomaji.
..zaidi umeandika mambo muhimu sana kiasi kwamba inawalazimu wasomaji wako wakujue wewe mwandishi ni mtu wa aina gani.
..sasa katika hili zoezi la kutaka kukujua mwandishi wetu, kukujua zaidi ya jina lako, ndiyo unaona yanaibuka maswali mengine kama hii hoja ya video ya Ustaadh Ilunga.
..Kuna mahali umesema unamheshimu Ustaadh Ilunga, na kwamba ktk "darsa" lake huwezi kufungua kinywa chako. Sasa ndiyo na sisi tukauliza: hivi Ustaadh Ilunga anapomsherehesha Mwamwindi na mambo aliyomfanyia Kleruu, wewe una mtizamo gani? Je, akitoa "darsa" hilo bado utapiga goti ukiwa kimya hata kuguna ushindwe???
cc: Nguruvi3, Ritz
Ritz,
..ikiwa ni hivyo basi mkono wa dola ulikuwa haichagui dini ya mtu.
..kinachoshangaza hapa ni Mohamed Said kuleta mambo yake ya udini, akidai ni waumini wa dini moja tu waliokuwa wakishughulikiwa na dola.
..mimi sina uhakika kama kuna watu waliowekwa kizuizini kwa muda mrefu kama Balozi Christopher Kassanga Tumbo. lakini u would rarely hear Mohamed Said akimtetea huyu, anatetea wa dini yake tu.
Mkuu Ngongo,
Maganga kweli ni marehemu sasa mwaka 2004 alijiunga na Chadema na mwaka 2005 aligombea ubunge Tabora Mjini kupitia Chadema.
Kuna mmoja kati hawa ana biashara zake pale Mbezi.
Rapheri,
Si kweli kuwa sitaki kuona michango ya Mwanakijiji.
Nimeacha kumjibu kwa kuwa kanitukana.
Hii ndiyo hulka yangu.
Kwa kuwa sina ujuzi wa matusi mtu akishanitusi namkwepa.
Labda wewe hunijui.
Mimi nausudu sana majadiliano ya heshima.
Mimi nitafurahi sana tukiiona barua hiyo.Nguruvi, Nitakuwekea hapa ile barua ya Ivor Bayldon ili usome nimesema nini katika kitabu changu. Kuandika yale mlokuwa hamyajui si kudhalilisha mtu. Naelewa mnatabika na historia hii kwa kuwa hamkutegemea kuwa kulikuwa na historia nyingine. Wewe si wa kwanza kupata mshtuko kwa yale ulosoma kutoka kwangu. Wengi tu wamekipenda kitabu changu kwa ajili ya kuleta yaliyokuwa hayajulikani. Ingekuwa naandika maneno ya kudhalilisha kitabu kisingepita. Kingeishia kwenye fikra zangu.
The laws for murder in Islam:Mkuu Jokakuu, ukiisikiliza ile video ilivyoandaliwa hakika ni seansational tupu. Ilipoongelewa mauaji ya Dr Kleruu utasikia sauti ''akampiga risasi.. ghruuuuuuuuu!'' kuonyesha kilichotokea kwa sauti za risasi. Hakuna uhakiki kuwa sauti za risasi zilirindima kwa namna video inavyoonyesha, kilichofanyika ni kuongeza hamasa na ''ushujaa wa mwamwindi''. Kwa kiongozi wa dini video ile asingeihusisha na mhadhara wake hata kidogo.
Hata kama Dr Kleruu alikosea(assumption) je Ilunga anataka kusema ile ndio njia sahihi waislam wanatakiwa kuifuata?
Labda nikukumbushe kuwa katika maelezo ya kuundwa kwa UTP, Mohamed ameorodhesha majina ya watu waliopelekewa barua za kujiunga ambao wengi ni wazee wake. Hilo halina tatizo!
Mstari wa mwisho akasema ''Nyerere hakupelekewa barua''. Maana yake ni kujenga mazingira ya kumweka Nyerere katika hatia ya ima hakupelekewa kwasababu alikuwa tayari ana uhusiano na kiongozi wa UTP au hakuwa muhimu sana kupelekewa barua kama Abdul Sykes.
Katika watu wote kwanini Mohamed amem ''single out'' Nyerere peke yake na wala si Dr Kyaruzi au Mwingine!
Jibu ni rahisi, Nyerere ni target na jitihada zote ni kumdunisha ili kuwapandisha wengine.
Hapo nyuma kuna post Mohamed kasema ''Nyerere alipewa uongozi na Sykes''. Tunafahamu kuwa kulikuwa na uchaguzi na Nyerere alimshinda Sykes, sasa alipewa uongozi kwa maana ipi?
Mimi nadhani role ya kila mmoja inasimama yenyewe bila kumdhalilisha mtu mwingine.
Uzuri wa historia ya kweli ni kujidhihiri na haihitaji nakshi au utuli.
Pamoja na dunia na vyombo vya habari wakiwemo waandishi na wasomi kuandika kwa nguvu zote mabaya ya Idd Amin na Hitler bado historia inawatetea kwa kila walillofanya kwa nchi zao baya au zuri.
Historia inawatetea na si mtu kwasababu historia inasimama yenyewe haiumbwi au kunyumbuliwa.
Mimi nitafurahi sana tukiiona barua hiyo.
Wala usidhani nakataa uwepo wa barua, ninacho hoji ni jinsi ulivyomalizia taarifa yako.
Kama wametajwa watu kadha wa kadha sioni mantiki ya kumchagua Nyerere peke yake miongoni mwa kundi kubwa sana na kuandika ''Nyerere hakupelekewa barua''.
Suala hapa si kuhoji kama barua ilikuwepo au haikuwepo wala majina ya waliotumiwa.
Hoja ni kuhoji kwanini kauli ya ''Nyerere hakutumiwa'' imetumika!
kwanini isiwe Kyaruzi, Mtamilwa au mwingine iwe specific kwa Nyerere.
Ndiyo maana nasema kwa haraka haraka it's ok, kwa fikra hapa hakuna shaka hata kidogo ulidhamiria kumdhalilisha sana Nyerere ili pengine umkweze sana Abdul Sykes na wenzake.
Ulichomaanisha ni;
1. Ima, Kwamba tayari alikuwa na uhusiano na UTP
au
2. Hakuwa muhimu sana katika siasa na hivyo hakukuwa na haja ya yeye kupelekewa barua.
Ni mtindo huo huo uliotumika wakati unasema mwaka 1961 A.Sykes hakuhudhuria sherehe za Uhuru ukiwa na maana mtu muhimu sana kama yeye aliachwa miongoni mwa maelfu, lakini kwa Nyerere umetumia kinyume chake.
Mohamed unajua kuna kitu kinaitwa ''connotation'' tunakifahamu ni vema ukawa unaangalia hadhra unayowasiliana nayo kwanza!!
Hoja hapa ni kuwa ni busara au mantiki ipi ilitumika na ilikusudia nini kusema ''Nyerere hakupelekewa barua''
Mimi nitafurahi sana tukiiona barua hiyo.
Wala usidhani nakataa uwepo wa barua, ninacho hoji ni jinsi ulivyomalizia taarifa yako.
Kama wametajwa watu kadha wa kadha sioni mantiki ya kumchagua Nyerere peke yake miongoni mwa kundi kubwa sana na kuandika ''Nyerere hakupelekewa barua''.
Suala hapa si kuhoji kama barua ilikuwepo au haikuwepo wala majina ya waliotumiwa.
Hoja ni kuhoji kwanini kauli ya ''Nyerere hakutumiwa'' imetumika!
kwanini isiwe Kyaruzi, Mtamilwa au mwingine iwe specific kwa Nyerere.
Ndiyo maana nasema kwa haraka haraka it's ok, kwa fikra hapa hakuna shaka hata kidogo ulidhamiria kumdhalilisha sana Nyerere ili pengine umkweze sana Abdul Sykes na wenzake.
Ulichomaanisha ni;
1. Ima, Kwamba tayari alikuwa na uhusiano na UTP
au
2. Hakuwa muhimu sana katika siasa na hivyo hakukuwa na haja ya yeye kupelekewa barua.
Ni mtindo huo huo uliotumika wakati unasema mwaka 1961 A.Sykes hakuhudhuria sherehe za Uhuru ukiwa na maana mtu muhimu sana kama yeye aliachwa miongoni mwa maelfu, lakini kwa Nyerere umetumia kinyume chake.
Mohamed unajua kuna kitu kinaitwa ''connotation'' tunakifahamu ni vema ukawa unaangalia hadhra unayowasiliana nayo kwanza!!
Hoja hapa ni kuwa ni busara au mantiki ipi ilitumika na ilikusudia nini kusema ''Nyerere hakupelekewa barua''
Pigeni kelele tu ndugu zangu. Tukimaliza kuondoa ubalozi wa vatican tuondoe na wa Iran vile vile. Hii si ni Islamic state?Kumbe huna hoja kaa pembeni na tutapiga kelele hadi ubalozi huo uondolewe !!!!
Mdondoaji
Sina ujuzi wa mengi uliyouliza. Na kwa hiyo siwezi kuyajibu. Ninachojua mimi ni kuwa Vatican ni nchi, solomon Islands, ni nchi, Vanuatu, ni nchi, Guam ni nchi, Western Samoa ni nchi. Nchi zote hizo ukiniambia nitaje majina ya wazawa na wageni wao, kwakweli sijui na siwezi. Ila haibadilishi ukweli kuwa hizo ni nchi.
Si lazima tukubaliane sote katika kila jambo. Hata ujio wa Xi Jinping, Rais wa China, sio wote wameuona ni wa manufaa. Lakini bado, serikali na wananchi wengine wameona ni wa manufaa. Kumbuka Tanzania tunasema Sahara Magharibi ni nchi, lakini Morocco wanasema ni sehemu ya nchi yao. Tofauti zitaendelea kuwepo tu. Kwa hiyo, wewe unaweza ukaendelea tu kuumia kwa mawazo kuwa Vatican sio nchi- utaumia kwa vile ulitaka ndio ujengee hoja ya OIC. Sisi wengine tunasema ni nchi. And life goes on....Tunakubaliana kutokukubaliana. By the way, usije ukafikiri mimi ni mkatoliki, sio. Lakini najitahidi tu kuwa objective.
Halafu soma hii ambayo ni kiini cha sehemu ya mjadala kuhusu UTPNguruvi,
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[TD]But in order for one to understand Abdulwahid's support for Nyerere one needs to analyse the forces at play in the political system in colonial Tanganyika.
In 1951, while working to revive TAA, Abdulwahid and Mwapachu were approached by Ivor Bayldon, [1] Brig. Scupham and V.M. Nazerali and were asked to support the formation of a multiracial political party
These three were members of the Legislative Council.
Bayldon was a rich settler in the Southern Highlands who had originally immigrated to Tanganyika from South Africa.
African members of the Legislative Council who were enthusiastic about that idea were Chief Kidaha Makwaia and Liwali Yustino Mponda of Newala.[2]
Other prominent personalities who were consulted and requested to support the formation of a multiracial political party were: Dr Joseph Mutahangarwa, Chief Abdieli Shangali of Machame, Paramount Chief Thomas Marealle of Marangu, Chief Adam Sapi Mkwawa, Chief Harun Msabila Lugusha, Dr Mwanjisi, Abdulkarim Karimjee, Dr Vedas Kyaruzi, Liwali Juma Mwindadi, H.K. Viran, Stephen Mhando, Ally Sykes and Dossa Aziz. [3]
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[TD="width: 752, bgcolor: transparent"]This was a mixture of privileged Europeans, aristocrats like Marealle, African elites such as Mwapachu, Asians in the commercial class such as Karimjee and townsmen such as Dossa.
All of them were leaders who commanded following in their own respective communities.
Two years later in a letter which Nazerali sent to Ally Sykes to lay down the objective of the intended party, after he was convinced that a multiracial political party was unattainable, Nazerali wrote in part: ‘The desire was to organise a body of people who are sincere, who have faith and belief in the progressive development of the people of our country, with equal opportunities for all.' [4]
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Ukisoma quote ya mwanzo ya Mohamed ambayo ameifanya jibu la hoja yangu utaona ameeleza kuwa waliofuatwa walikuwa watu mashuhuri.Ritz,
UTP kilikuwa chama cha Wazungu kiliundwa mwaka 1955 na rais wake alikuwa Ivor Bayldon na makamu wake alikuwa Sheikh Hussein Juma, a prominent Manyema in Dar es Salaam.
Chama hiki kiliundwa na wakoloni makhsusi kuipinga TANU.
Huya Bayldon mwaka 1953 aliwapelekea barua baadhi ya wanasiasa mashuhuri katika TAA akiwaomba waunde chama cha siasa ambacho kitawaunganisha Watanganyika wote - Waafrika, Wazungu na Waasia.
Bayldon alimwandikia Abdu na Ally Sykes, Hamza Mwapachu, Steven Mhando orodha ni ndefu...
Nyerere hakuwamo katika orodha ile.
Halafu soma hii ambayo ni kiini cha sehemu ya mjadala kuhusu UTPUkisoma quote ya mwanzo ya Mohamed ambayo ameifanya jibu la hoja yangu utaona ameeleza kuwa waliofuatwa walikuwa watu mashuhuri.
Akaendelea kutaja hata nyadhifa zao na ushawishi wao katika makundi.
Ameorodhesha majina vizuri tu na hakuna shaka juu ya maoni yake.
Ukisoma quote ya pili ya Mohamed anasema chama hicho kiliundwa kupinga TANU.
Halafu katika orodha ile ndefu
(Dr Joseph Mutahangarwa, Chief Abdieli Shangali of Machame, Paramount Chief Thomas Marealle of Marangu, Chief Adam Sapi Mkwawa, Chief Harun Msabila Lugusha, Dr Mwanjisi, Abdulkarim Karimjee, Dr Vedas Kyaruzi, Liwali Juma Mwindadi, H.K. Viran, Stephen Mhando, Ally Sykes and Dossa A) Mohamed kwa makusudi akachagua Abdul Sykes na Ally Sykes miongoni mwa walioandikiwa (quote ya pili) na kukwepa mpangilio ule wa orodha ya kwanza(quote ya kwanza) halafu akapigilia msumari aliotaka kuusema na ueleweke ''Nyerere hakuwamo katika orodha ile'' ili kuonyesha kuwa yeye hakuwa kitu mbele ya familia ya Sykes.
Katika maandishi yake ya kwanza sikuona tatizo, tatizo ni hapo alipoandika pembeni kwa kuongezea ''Nyerere hakuwemo'' hapa alikuwa anasisitiza jambo kama nilivyoeleza.
Baada ya kutaja ''prominent persoanalities and leaders who commanded following in their own respective communities'' Mohamed akamalizia hasira zake kwa ''Nyerere hakuwemo katika orodha ile''
Hili nadhani tulihitimishe kwasababu wasomaji wataamua. Nukuu zipo na mistari ipo hapo juu.
Mi sijaona matusi hapo kwa Mwanakijiji zaidi ya Hoja zinazoitaji majibu yako
Sasa yatubidi tujiulize, hii simulizi ni ya kweli au imetiwa chumvi. Wanajamvi hebu linganisheni hii na ripoti ya mgomo wa TRAU mwaka 1959/1960, mwaka moja kabla ya uhuru. Je "star" wa huu mgomo alikuwa nani? Hapa chini nanukuu kutoka kwa wakoloni wenyewe;Mohamed Said said:Mwaka 1955 muda mfupi baada ya kuundwa TANU, Salum Abdallah alichaguliwa kama mwenyekiti muasisi wa Tanganyika RailwayAfrican Union (TRAU) chama cha wafanyakazi wa Reli kilichokuwa na nguvu sana wakati wa kupigania uhuru na kikitoa mchango mkubwa kwa TANU. Katibu wa TRAU alikuwa Chistopher Kassanga Tumbo. Mwaka 1960 TRAU chini ya uongozi huu iliiitsha mgomo uliodumu siku 82. Kwa takriban miezi mitatu si treni, meli na mabasi ya relwe yalitembea. Inasemekana hapajatokea mgomo ambao ulitayarishwa kwa ufundi na ustadi kama mgomo wa relwe wa mwaka 1960. Mgomo kama huu kamwe hautatokea tena.
TRAU ilipata fedha kutoka kwa rafiki zao Ujerumani ya Mashariki na wafanyakazi wa reli Uingereza. Msaada huu ndiyo uliowezesha TRAU kuhimili mgomo kwa miezi mitatu. Mwishowe serikali ya kikoloni ilisalimu amri na wafanyakazi wa relwe wakasitisha mgomo na kurudi kazini madai yao yote yakiwa yamekubaliwa. Mgomo huu miezi michache kabla ya Tanganyika kuwa huru ulimtisha sana Nyerere kwani alitambua kuwa kulikuwa na uongozi wa vyama vya wafanyakazi uliokuwa na nguvu sana na aliogopa baada Tanganyika kuwa huru vyama hivi chini ya viongozi kama hawa vitampa shida katika utawala wake. Katika mambo kama haya kunakuwa na mikasa mingi.
Huyo ndiye Salum Abdallah Muyiki Samitungo Mwekapopo. Mungu alimjalia tambo kasimama kama futi sita hivi. Akikuangalia tu unaondoka hata kabla hajakugusa.
Wanajamvi, yako mengi ningeweza kuyaandika hapa lakini nawaomba mjiulize tu kwamba katika vyama vya wafanyakazi popote duniani, nani ni mtendaji mkuu? Juzi juzi hapa tumemshuhudia Nicholas Mgaya akiandamwa na serikali kuhusu mgomo wa wafanyakazi (ingawa mpaka sasa wameweza kumnyamazisha) lakini wangapi wanamjua mwenyekiti wake? Mohamed Said kama kawaida anamtukuza babu yake na kumpa sifa zoote huku akimweka kando aliyekuwa Katibu na Mtendaji Mkuu wa TRAU, kulikoni?On Christmas Day, 1959, the postal workers went on strike. The New Year brought a flood wildcat strikes on the docks of Dar es Salaam harbour and in the sisal industry upcountry. Even within the labour movement there was some discussion as to whether more strikes were appropriate. The Dockworkers' and Stevedoers' Unions hesitated to strike while a letter writer told the Tanganyika Standard readers that threats of a strike on the docks "are the foolish utterances of a Union Official who is not a dockworker and who does not represent the dockworkers."
On February 10, 1960 10,000 members of the Railways Union began a bitter strike that lasted nearly three months, testing Nyerere's patience and eventually losing TANU's support. The Tanganyika Railway Workers' Union leader, Christopher Kasanga Tumbo, conferred with his East African colleagues over the New Years holiday, and returned announcing that a strike was "almost inevitable" and then maintained steady pressure on management for a seven-and-three=quarters-shilling daily wage increase through repeated threats to strike and public retreats.
Calculating that the wage increase would cost 2,000,000 British pounds a year, the railways manager personally wrote his most valuable employees conjoining them to "stay loyal" and then used newspapers to accuse Tumbo of holding the country at "ransom." The charismatic Tumbo was a rising star in the Tanganyika political arena. Leading the Railway Union gave the precocious 25-year old tremendous economic power that translated into political influence when a strika threatened.
The Tanganyika African Government Workers' Union condemned Tumbo's plans and the Kenya Railway Workers Union was not ready to cooperate in a joint action in both countries. Tumbo launched tirades against both organizations, demanding an apology from government workers and dismissing the Kenya labor movement as colonial stooges.
Pigeni kelele tu ndugu zangu. Tukimaliza kuondoa ubalozi wa vatican tuondoe na wa Iran vile vile. Hii si ni Islamic state?
Ndio maana nimesema, mkipiga kelele vatican iondoke na sisi tutapiga kelele Iran na Saudi Arabia ziondoke. Draw!Abaa Iran ni nchi tena ina rais wake na mawaziri wake. Na nchi ya 23 bora kwa uchumi mzuri duniani (Cheki statistics za IMF). Wana uchumi mzuri kuliko kitanzania chetu. Vatican si nchi, haina wazawa, hata bank yake imeshindwa kujiendesha iko chini uchunguzi na ECB. Hata hivyo mkiwa hamuitaki Iran hiyo kazi kwenu kupiga kelele ila sisi tutapiga kelele Vatican hadi iondoke kwani ni taasisi ya kidini na sio nchi. Vile vile hatufaidiki na uwepo wake labda tuambie faida za Vatican nchini na mie nikuambie faida za Iran kuwepo nchini. Na nyie mnao uhuru wa kupiga kelele Iran iondoke but sie tutapiga kelele hadi Vatican iondoke kwani ni taasisi ya kidini na sio nchi.
Wanajamvi huyu Mohamed Said ni mtu wa kuogopa kama ukimwi. Huko nyuma aliwakana Cecil Matola, Dr Vedasto Kyaruzi na Mwalimu Nyerere kama Maraisi waasisi wa AA mwaka 1929, TAA mwaka 1950 na TANU mwaka 1954 huku akiwamwagia sifa makatibu wao Kleist Sykes na baadaye mwanaye Abdulwahid Sykes. Sasa shuhudieni hapa anavyomweka kando Balozi Christopher Tumbo katika harakati za Tanganyika Railway African Union (TRAU) na kummwagia sifa babu yake Salum Abdala kama Mwenyekiti muasisi na aliyeongoza mgomo wa Wafanyakazi wa Reli mwaka 1960. Namnukuu;
Sasa yatubidi tujiulize, hii simulizi ni ya kweli au imetiwa chumvi. Wanajamvi hebu linganisheni hii na ripoti ya mgomo wa TRAU mwaka 1959/1960, mwaka moja kabla ya uhuru. Je "star" wa huu mgomo alikuwa nani? Hapa chini nanukuu kutoka kwa wakoloni wenyewe;
Wanajamvi, yako mengi ningeweza kuyaandika hapa lakini nawaomba mjiulize tu kwamba katika vyama vya wafanyakazi popote duniani, nani ni mtendaji mkuu? Juzi juzi hapa tumemshuhudia Nicholas Mgaya akiandamwa na serikali kuhusu mgomo wa wafanyakazi (ingawa mpaka sasa wameweza kumnyamazisha) lakini wangapi wanamjua mwenyekiti wake? Mohamed Said kama kawaida anamtukuza babu yake na kumpa sifa zoote huku akimweka kando aliyekuwa Katibu na Mtendaji Mkuu wa TRAU, kulikoni?
Je viongozi wakuu wa vyama vya wafanyakazi walioitikisa dunia na kuleta mapinduzi kama Lech Walesa wa solidarity Poland, nani alimjua aliyekuwa mwenyekiti wake? Kwa vyama vya wafanyakazi katibu wake ndiye mtendaji mkuu au hata hili huyu mzushi mkubwa Mohamed Said anayedai amezunguka dunia nzima halijui? Jamani tukubaliane huyu mchochezi ama kwa makusudi au kwa hila, lengo la kumwaga ngano zake ni kuleta machafuko ya kidini nchini na amini usiamini, hata Waislaam wengi hawamuungi mkono.
Huo uamuzi wako hata hauninyimi usingizi, mangapi umeshindwa kujibu? Maelezo yangu yameelekezwa kwa Watanzania wenye uelewa mpana zaidi wanaoufuatilia huu mjadala. Utasemaje wewe si mtu wa shari huku unashabikia mahubiri ya Sheikh Ilunga?Mag,
Naona unahamaki nyingi na lugha yako siipendi.
Mimi si mtu wa shari.
Kuanzia sasa sikujibu.
Huo uamuzi wako hata hauninyimi usingizi, mangapi umeshindwa kujibu? Maelezo yangu yameelekezwa kwa Watanzania wenye uelewa mpana zaidi wanaoufuatilia huu mjadala. Utasemaje wewe si mtu wa shari huku unashabikia mahubiri ya Sheikh Ilunga?