Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

DULLAH MSAVIVOR said:
Nina mashaka huyu si mwanafamilia na nyerere hata kidogo,anashindwaje kuwa na hata hotuba za marehem mzee wake?
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Niliyasema siku nyingi sana. Huyu jamaa hana nasab na Mwalimu. Inawezekana akawa na jina "Nyerere" lakini udugu naye hana.

Tulitegemea ushahidi lukuki kutoka kwake, lakini hakuna lolote. Tunachoona ni mapovu, kejeli, utavu wa nidhamu and above all uweupe wa historia!
 
Katika pitapita zangu hii hapa nimeitoa kwenye WIKIPEDIA ya Nyerere.


===Ukosoaji dhidi yake===
Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere]] Mwl.Nyerere analaumiwa kwa siasa zake za kiujamaa kuwa zilichelewesha maendeleo ya kiuchumi wa Tanzania.

Pia kuna makundi ya waislamu wanaomtuhumu kwa kuendesha kwa siri vita dhidi ya uislamu na upendeleo wa elimu na madaraka kwa wakristo,japo wasomi wengi kwa kipindi cha utawala wake walikuwa wakristo.
 
WildCard said:
Sio Uislam kama huu wa kwako.
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Qur'an 2:208

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Swahili
Enyi mlio amini! Ingieni katika Uislamu kwa ukamilifu, wala msifuate nyayo za She'tani; hakika yeye kwenu ni adui aliye wazi.
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Mohamed Said said:
Yericko,

Hebu kuwa mstaarabu mdogo wangu.

Nimekukaribisha jamvini kwa kikombe cha kahawa na
halua ya lozi kisha nimekutandikia kashda yangu ukalie..

Ijaza yangu ni kejeli na kunibeza!

Nitakusamehe tu ikiwa utanambia, ''Kaka mie hiyo halua ya
lozi siijui wala hiyo taadhima ''kashda'' sijua ni kitu gani.''

Hapo nitakusamehe vinginevyo nitakuona bado sana...

Hebu fikiri unamkirimu rafiki yako kwa kumfungulia chupa ya
pombe kisha badala ya kukupa ahsante anakukejeli ungejihisi
vipi?
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Nimeipokea karibu yako mkuu wangu, lakini kamatulivyo wazanaki nilazima nimalize na kibwagizo chakuunena ukweli uliyohuru.
 
Mohamed Said said:
My area of interest was from 1929 when AA was founded
to 1954.

Mwalimu came to Dar es Salaam in 1952 and was received
by Abdu Sykes.
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Wakati anaondoka mwaka 1946 kwenda Kusoma Uingereza aliondokea wapi?

I read all about Nyerere in Sykes' files.

But most important I did not want to embarass him.

I knew how sensitive he was to be associated with
his Gerezani past and TANU history.
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You had no chance of embarassing him; ndio maana wengine tunacheka unapoita hii historia... How do you know he was sensitive to be associated with his Gerezani past?
 
kichwakigumu said:
Niliyasema siku nyingi sana. Huyu jamaa hana nasab na Mwalimu. Inawezekana akawa na jina "Nyerere" lakini udugu naye hana.

Tulitegemea ushahidi lukuki kutoka kwake, lakini hakuna lolote. Tunachoona ni mapovu, kejeli, utavu wa nidhamu and above all uweupe wa historia!
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Huyu siyo mtoto wa Julius Kambarage Nyerere...ni mtoto wa Nyerere mwingine. watoto wa Kambarage Nyerere hawa hapa chini.


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[TD]Maria Nyerere[/TD]
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[TH="align: left"]Children[/TH]
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7
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  • Andrew
  • Anna
  • Magige
  • John
  • Makongoro
  • Madaraka
  • Rosemary
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Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
Wakati anaondoka mwaka 1946 kwenda Kusoma Uingereza aliondokea wapi?



You had no chance of embarassing him; ndio maana wengine tunacheka unapoita hii historia... How do you know he was sensitive to be associated with his Gerezani past?
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"haambiliki".
 
Mohamed Said said:
WC,

Nashukuru kuwa wewe yangu na ya Sivalon unayajua.
Kuna wenzako ndiyo leo wanayasikia.

Hawa ndiyo wananifanya nilale JF, niamke JF, nile JF.
Hakika Waislam wengi sasa wameelewa.

Nani alijua itafika siku vijana watataka kujenga msikiti
wauite ''Masjid Sheikh Hassan bin Amir,'' na wala hawakupata
kumuona Sheikh Hassan.

Wamemjua kwa kumsoma katika kitabu changu na kumsikia katika
mihadhara.

Leo kuna ''Sheikh Hassan bin Amir Award'' kwa wanafunzi bora
katika shule za Kiislam.

Fedha za award hii wanachanga Waislam wa nchi nzima.

Haya yote baada ya Sheikh Hassan kufariki miaka mingi.
Alhamdulilah.

Hii ni faraja kubwa.

Nimepata kuhudhuria mchezo wa kuigiza wa Maisha ya Sheikh Hassan..
vijana wanaigiza sheikh yuko darasani anasomesha...
wanaingia Abdu, Dossa na Nyerere...

Anawapokea...

Waikela anamsomea Nyerere ile khutba maarufu ya mwaka 1963
''Moto wa Waislam Ukiwaka.''

Machozi yalinitiririka...
na ni vitoto vidogo hivi...
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Mzee kama kweli unadhamiria kuwaenzi viongozi wa uislamu Tanganyika waliopigania uhuru wa watanganyika wote bila kujali dini zao, basi simama kwanza na Shehe Issa bin Amir, sio hao wengine waliofuata nyayo za kiongozi huyu adhimu afrika
 
Yericko Nyerere said:
Mzee kama kweli unadhamiria kuwaenzi viongozi wa uislamu Tanganyika waliopigania uhuru wa watanganyika wote bila kujali dini zao, basi simama kwanza na Shehe Issa bin Amir, sio hao wengine waliofuata nyayo za kiongozi huyu adhimu afrika
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Yericko,

Huyu Shehe Issa bin Amir mbona hafahamiki?
Hebu tupe taarifa zake zaidi.

Vipi kuhusu haluwa ya lozi na kashda na kuniadhir.
Hutaki hata kuomba radhi?
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
Pole mzee mwezangu; tatizo la msingi hapa ni kuwa hubishani na mimi hata kidogo. Ninaijua historia ya Tanganyika kwa kiasi kikubwa sana kuliko historia ya wazee wa Dar. Katika hilo la wazee wa Kiislamu wa Dar sidhani kama kuna mtu anakupita. Lakini kwenye historia ya Tanganyika nzima tunaweza kuzungumza hadi mtondogoo. Lakini hili hapa wala sikuwa nakukejeli au kudharau mchango wa wazee wetu.

Miye naipenda historia sana na nimeisoma vizuri tu na ninaendelea kujifunza. Wewe ulisema ulimwambia mwalimu wako chuuoni kuwa ni Abdul Sykes aliyeanzisha TANU na yeye akapigwa na mshangao. Sasa hilo ni dai (claim). In argumentation sir, once you make a claim you need to give evidence of it to make it valid. You just don't make a claim and leave it hanging there na watu wapokee tu.

Vinginevyo you need to learn qualifying claims - don't give generalized claims which can me misconstrued as attempts at deception. Labda niulize swali ambalo jibu lake siyo simulizi refu na unaruhusiwa kuqualify: Unaamini Abdul Sykes ndiye aliyeanzisha TANU?

Jibu ni 'ndiyo' au 'hapana' au ukipenda unaweza kuqualify statement yako ya awali na itakuwa vyema tu.
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Mzee Mwanakijiji,

Na haya maswali yangu kuhusu historia ya Tanganyika naomba unisaidie.

1) Ofisi za Gavana Sir Donald Cameron zilikuwa wapi

2) Rais wa kwanza wa TAA alikuwa nani

3) Wakati wa TANU miaka ya 1950 kulikuwa na magazeti gani ya wananchi

4) Katibu Mwenezi wa TANU alikuwa nani mwaka 1958

5) TANU ilingia lini Mombasa.

6) Wanachama 20 wa mwanzo wa TANU na namba zao za kadi ukitoa namba moja ya kadi ya Nyerere hawa wengine 19

Tuanze na haya maswali machache kwanza ambayo siyafahamu.
 
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kichwakigumu said:
Niliyasema siku nyingi sana. Huyu jamaa hana nasab na Mwalimu. Inawezekana akawa na jina "Nyerere" lakini udugu naye hana.

Tulitegemea ushahidi lukuki kutoka kwake, lakini hakuna lolote. Tunachoona ni mapovu, kejeli, utavu wa nidhamu and above all uweupe wa historia!
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Anaitwa YERICKO X
 
Ritz said:
Huyu siyo mtoto wa Julius Kambarage Nyerere...ni mtoto wa Nyerere mwingine. watoto wa Kambarage Nyerere hawa hapa chini.


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[TH="align: left"]Spouse(s)
[/TH]
[TD]Maria Nyerere
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="align: left"]Children
[/TH]
[TD]
7
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  • Andrew
  • Anna
  • Magige
  • John
  • Makongoro
  • Madaraka
  • Rosemary
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Nakushukuru sana
 
Mohamed Said said:
Yericko,

Huyu Shehe Issa bin Amir mbona hafahamiki?
Hebu tupe taarifa zake zaidi.

Vipi kuhusu haluwa ya lozi na kashda na kuniadhir.
Hutaki hata kuomba radhi?
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Anafahamika vema, taarifa zake zipo, makao makuu ya kanisa katoliki Tanzania wanamjua na wanamheshimu sana na kumuenzi, laiti angalikuwa mkatoliki angeshakuwa mtakatifu kama wengine waliojitolea kwa jamii zao.

Ninaamini Bakwata nao wanazo taarifa zake, hasa msikiti mkuu wa Zanzibar,

Ninashangaa kwa mtafiti wewe wa masuala ya dini na siasa leo unasema humjui mtu huyu aliyehudumu kuanzia miaka ya 1914-1953
 
Nakushukuru Yericko kwa kuuleta uzi huu,kwa hakika nimejifunza mengi sana,hasa haswa kutoka kwa Mohamed Said,
Nashukuru sana kwa Ilmu hii..
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
Wakati anaondoka mwaka 1946 kwenda Kusoma Uingereza aliondokea wapi?



You had no chance of embarassing him; ndio maana wengine tunacheka unapoita hii historia... How do you know he was sensitive to be associated with his Gerezani past?
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MM,

Kwa kweli hili ni jambo nimelieleza kwa mnasaba wa majadiliano
yalivyokuwa yanaendelea.

Unaumizwa sana na habari ambazo wewe huzijui.
Hapana haja ya sie kunasa hapa.

Yapo mengine mengi ya kuzungumza.
Tuendelee Insha Allah.
 
Yericko Nyerere said:
Anafahamika vema, taarifa zake zipo, makao makuu ya kanisa katoliki Tanzania wanamjua na wanamheshimu sana na kumuenzi, laiti angalikuwa mkatoliki angeshakuwa mtakatifu kama wengine waliojitolea kwa jamii zao.

Ninaamini Bakwata nao wanazo taarifa zake, hasa msikiti mkuu wa Zanzibar,

Ninashangaa kwa mtafiti wewe wa masuala ya dini na siasa leo unasema humjui mtu huyu aliyehudumu kuanzia miaka ya 1914-1953
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Yericko,

Kweli sina taarifa za Sheikh huyu.
Nitashukuru endapo utanipa taarifa zake zaidi.

Bakwata hawana chochote katika historia ya Uislam.
Kweli niamini.

Ama kuna kitabu cha Shekh Abdallah Saleh Farsy kina
taarifa ya masheikh wa Afrika ya Mashariki huyu Shehe
Issa bin Amir hayumo.

Msikiti Mkuu wa Zanzibar ni upi huo?
 
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