Ukweli kuhusu Wakatoliki kutokuabudu sanamu zilizopo makanisani

[Otorong'ong'o]

Ndugu yangu kasome vzr amri.kumi za Mungu. Au nyie katoliki.mmeziedit kwa biblia yenu

Zilete hapa..? I bet unazungumzia Kutoka 20:4... na kuendelea...njoo tujadiliane hapa

 

[Michaeljackson Assenga]

hakuna dhehebu nnalolichukia kama waroma...na hayo madude wanayaabudu na kwenda kinyume na amri za Mungu.
imeandikwa usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga wala kitu chochote kilicho mfano mbinguni,baharini,nchi kavu etc...na kukiabudu.
lakini hawa ndo kwanza ukiingia unakuta kila kona wamechonga masanamu ya maria mtakatifu...masanamu ya yesu..hivi mliwah kuwaona? nyie ndo kwanza mmekazana na rozari mnabusu na zina sanamu ya yesu..ni wazima nyie?
mnachefua.

Chukia sana had utapike nyongo[emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]

 

[Kituko]

Ndugu yangu kasome vzr amri.kumi za Mungu. Au nyie katoliki.mmeziedit kwa biblia yenu

Kwa nini akasome, wewe kam unaijua hiyo Amri si uiweke hapa ili umthibitishie Otorong'ong'o kuwa ni muongo yeye na "Biblia yake ya Kikatoliki"
Vinginevyo utabaki na kusema yeye anasoma kwenye Biblia Tofauti, weka hiyo Amri kaka

kichakaa man saidia pia kuleta hiyo Amri kutoka kwenye Biblia inayokataza kusiwepo na Masanamu mAkanisani na mahekaluni

 

[Kituko]

Mada iko mezani njoo na majibu kuhusu uwepo wa sanamu na kama zinaabudiwa au haziabudiwi. Sasa unakuja na imani moja,katekisimu na ukatoliki wa nini?!! Jadili mada ya msingi ndugu. Hakuna haja ya lugha kali wala matusi,toa maelezo na ushahidi hata asie na imani kama yako aelewe kwanini unaona sawa uwepo wa sanamu kanisani

Kaka kuna shida kubwa ya Elimu ya Dini ya Ukatoliki kwa wasio wakatoliki,
Huwezi kuamini hili-hakuna Dhehebu linalofata misingi ya ibada iliyomo ndani ya Biblia kama Wakatoliki nasema tena Huwezi amini hilo

Maada ya issue ya Sanamu imeongelewa sana humu,
Kwa kifupi Wakatoliki hawaabudu sanamu, na kama umewahi kumuona Mkatoliki anaabudu na kuitumikia sanamu basi huyo amekufuru na amefanya shiriki kubwa kwa Mungu wetu mwenye wivu,

Kuabudu sanamu ni kuitumainia kuwa inaweza kufanya lolote unaloliomba, hivyo unaitolea Sadaka na kuitumainia, je kweli kazi ya mikono ya binadamu inaweza kutoa msaada, haisikii, haioni, haisemi nk

Sanamu ziko kwenye makanisa ya Kikatoliki kama kumbukumbu ya uwepo wa watakatifu na wafia dini mbalimbali, hivyo ni sanamu za kuangalia na kukumbuka uwepo wao (Bikira Maria, Yesu, Joseph nk )na Sanamu zote zilizopo ni za watu waliowahi kuwepo hapa Duniani, HAKUNA KANISA LA KIKATOLIKI LENYE SANAMU YA MUNGU BABA, kwa sababu hakuna aliyemuona

Stay blessed na uwe na Amani, hakuna muabudu sanamu ndani ya Ukatoliki

 

[Kituko]

Kwanza mnamwabudu Maria kama nani? mnamwomba kama nani? maana biblia inasema tuombe kupitia jina la Yesu.hakuna mahala neno limesema muombeni Maria.sasa uje ukemee pepo kwa jina la Maria uone litakavyokufanya

Hakuna Mkatoliki anayemuabudu Maria

 

[mwanyiru boniface]

wakatoliki jaribun kufkiria kw kina co kw xababu wazungu wanawap mixaad ndio mnajifany hamuoni ukweli

 

[Sr.Sean]

Tatizo kimombo kinachosha

 

[Nonda]

MUHIMILI WA UKRISTO DUNIANI NI KANISA KATOLIKI.
.......
HAYA YOTE YANAJARIBU KUBADILISHA HISIA YA MWANADAMU NA KUMLETA KARIBU ZAIDI NA TUKIO. WATU WANATOFAUTINA SANA KWA HISIA, UELEWA, KUMBUKUMBU N.K.

The images of Christ and of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the saints are to be had and retained particularly in churches, and due honor and veneration are to be given them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed to be in them on account of which they are to be worshipped, or that anything is to be asked of them,
Huu ndio ukweli ambao Roman imeamua kuuachia katika kipindi hichi cha mfungo wa kwalezima

And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." So Moses made a bronze serpent...


Now it is true that centuries later King Hezekiah destroyed it; however, this action was done because the people worshipped it as a god (2 Kings 18:4). In the Gospel, Jesus compared Himself to the bronze serpent (John 3:14). ..

The Catholic Church during the Council of Trent (1545-1563) issued a clear statement concerning images and statues. According to the 25th Session of this General Council:
The images of Christ and of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the saints are to be had and retained particularly in churches, and due honor and veneration are to be given them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed to be in them on account of which they are to be worshipped, or that anything is to be asked of them, or that trust is to be reposed in images, as was of old by the Gentiles, who placed their hopes in idols; but because the honor which is shown them is referred to the prototypes which these images represent; so that we through the images which we kiss...or bend the knee, adore Christ and venerate the saints, whom they represent. [The Canons & Decrees of the Council of Trent (TAN Books, 1978) p. 215-6]

The Church does NOT compel her members to kneel or pray before images. No one is allowed by the Church to pray to images since they have no ears to hear or power to help us. The Church allows for the veneration of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints.....
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NAFIKILI KUFIKIA LEO UBISHI UTAKUWA UMEFIKIA MWISHO.

Kwa nini RC hawajachonga sanamu ya Bibi yake "mungu"? Au Mababu wa Mungu (Wazazi wa Maria)?

Mimi sikujua kwamba "mungu" ana mama.

Moses alifundisha nini kuhusu Mungu?
Nini Moses aliwaambia wale waliochonga "Golden Calf"?

Utata umebaki pale pale?
Inakuwaje wanaojiita wakristo wanamwabudu binadamu mwenzao?
Wanawezaje kujifanya hawana habari na Mungu aliyemuumba binadamu wanayemwabudu?

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Link http://www.riadnachef.org/index.php...laha-illallah&catid=35:english-text&Itemid=56



Link Association of Islamic Charitable Projects » How Does One Become a Muslim?

 

[kalipeni]

biblia ina lugha karibu zote duniani na zaidi ya 99% ya watumiaji wa jf wanaelewa lugha ya kiswahili ungetumia kwa kiswahili ingeeleweka zaidi.

 

[Kituko]

Wazee wa mipasho, waprotestant waliobobea. Taratibu mtaelewa. Mzee wa upako ni mlokole mwenzenu, juzi hapa amesema unywaji wa pombe sio dhambi, na yeye anakunywa wine kama kawaida. Jambo kama hilo RC walishaliona zamani tu! Tatizo la waprotestant ni tafsiri ya maandiko. Sisi tunasomesha mapadre wetu kiasi cha kutosha, uwezo wao wa kutafsiri ni wa hali ya juu. Lakini kwa waprotestant, kila muumini anajidai anajua kutafsiri, matokeo yake tunawapata watu kama huyu aggyjay ambaye anabeba mstari word to word!

Kaka sio issue ya Pombe tu, kadiri siku zinavyoenda wanaanza kuuona ukweli ambao Wakatoliki wameuanza karne na Karne
Walokole walikuwa wanasema hakuna kinachoweza kumsaidia mtu zaidi ya Yesu pekee, so walikuwa wanawacheka wakatoliki walipokuwa wanatumia Maji ya Baraka, Chumvi, Mafuta nk cha ajabu leo kila kanisa la kilokole linatumia Maji, chumvi na mafuta japo wanayatumia nje ya misingi sahihi, soon wataingia kwenye Masakrament

 

[Kituko]

msimamo wako kama wangu mkuu coz kila nikisoma biblia hili swala na mengine mengi huwa siafiki ila sema tu hakuna dhehebu lililokamilika zaidi ya kuongozwa na Roho Mtakatifu kama wale wakarismatic huwa nawakubali sana ndani ya catholic, hawana mambo ya rozari, misalaba na wateva

Hakuna Mkarismatic-Mkatoliki anayepingana na hivyo vitu, ukimuona huyo basi sio Mkatismatic-Mkatoliki, huyo atakuwa Mkarismatic-Mlokole

 

[Beira Boy]

Kwa nini RC hawajachonga sanamu ya Bibi yake "mungu"? Au Mababu wa Mungu (Wazazi wa Maria)?

Mimi sikujua kwamba "mungu" ana mama.

Moses alifundisha nini kuhusu Mungu?
Nini Moses aliwaambia wale waliochonga "Golden Calf"?

Utata umebaki pale pale?
Inakuwaje wanaojiita wakristo wanamwabudu binadamu mwenzao?
Wanawezaje kujifanya hawana habari na Mungu aliyemuumba binadamu wanayemwabudu?

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Link http://www.riadnachef.org/index.php...laha-illallah&catid=35:english-text&Itemid=56



Link Association of Islamic Charitable Projects » How Does One Become a Muslim?

Wewe nonda ni mpinga kristo ni wa kupuuzwa umeanza kuleta hayo mavideo na malink yako ya kishetan, zile maada ya dini yako ya kiisilamu umezikimbia umekuja huku kwenye maada za iman za kikristo

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

wakatoliki jaribun kufkiria kw kina co kw xababu wazungu wanawap mixaad ndio mnajifany hamuoni ukweli

Ukweli gani..?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Kaka sio issue ya Pombe tu, kadiri siku zinavyoenda wanaanza kuuona ukweli ambao Wakatoliki wameuanza karne na Karne
Walokole walikuwa wanasema hakuna kinachoweza kumsaidia mtu zaidi ya Yesu pekee, so walikuwa wanawacheka wakatoliki walipokuwa wanatumia Maji ya Baraka, Chumvi, Mafuta nk cha ajabu leo kila kanisa la kilokole linatumia Maji, chumvi na mafuta japo wanayatumia nje ya misingi sahihi, soon wataingia kwenye Masakrament

Ni swala la muda..

Niliona Video ya Muhubiri wa Kipentekoste Benn Hinny akiisifia Sakrament Kuu ya Ekarist Takatifu

Hivyo ni muda tuu tunawapa....mbaya zaidi wakilogwa wasome Historia ya Xstianity na Church Fathers imekula kwao...

 

[Ticktock dork]

Huu ndio ukweli ambao Roman imeamua kuuachia katika kipindi hichi cha mfungo wa kwalezima

And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." So Moses made a bronze serpent...

Numbers 21:8-9
Recently we received an 80-page booklet entitled "What's Behind The New World Order?" It can be traced back to the writings of Ellen G. White, foundress of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. According to this booklet, the Catholic Church is behind the New World Order. The booklet claims that this is true, since the Church is the beast of Revelation (Rev. 17). It attempts to prove this claim by exposing the "marks of the beast." Due to limited space, only one charge will be considered. This is a common charge used against the Catholic Church.

According to this booklet, one "mark of the beast" is the alteration of God's Commandments. The booklet claims that the Catholic Church dropped the "Second Commandment" which forbids "graven images", i.e. statues. Allegedly the Catholic Church condones statue worship.

Now one version of the Ten Commandments can be found in the fifth chapter of the Book of Deuteronomy (also Exodus 20). Comparing Deut. 5:6-21 in a Catholic Bible with that found in a Protestant Bible reveals no essential differences. A few words may differ but that is due to differing translations. The major difference is not content but how Catholics and Protestants traditionally divide up and number these Commandments. Unfortunately the Bible lumps the Ten Commandments all together without division or numbering. (The verse numbers are no help since they were added by Bible scholars many centuries after Christ.)

Traditionally Catholics consider Deut. 5:6-10 as the First Commandment, verse 11 as the Second Commandment, verses 12-15 as the Third Commandment and so on. Verse 21 is split up into the Ninth and Tenth Commandments - distinguishing the desire (lust) to commit adultery from the desire (greed) to steal. This division scheme was advocated by St. Augustine in his writings on Exodus. Traditionally Protestants consider Deut. 5:6-7 as the First Commandment, verses 8-10 as the Second Commandment, verse 11 as the Third Commandment and so on. Verse 21 is kept together as the Tenth Commandment.

According to the RSV Bible and Catholic Tradition, the First Commandment is:
(6)I am the LORD your God,...(7)You shall have no other gods before me. (8)You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; (9)you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, (10)but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. [Deut. 5:6-10; RSV]

Verse 7 forbids the worship of other gods, while verses 8-9 forbid the making of graven (carved) images that would be worshipped as gods, i.e. idols. Now worshipping statues with divine honor is one way of worshipping other gods. Verse 7 is a general statement of the First Commandment, while verses 8-9 give a specific case of this Commandment. Verses 9-10 present the punishments and rewards that are associated with these Commandments.
By combining together Deut. 5:6-10 into one Commandment, the Catholic Church is accused of altering the Commandments and covering up God's command forbidding graven images. Suspicions are further fueled when Catholic books only present the general form of the Commandment, Deut.

5:7, in order to expedite memorization. Now one must ask the question: "Does God forbid the making of statues, or does He condemn the worship of statues?" If God condemns the divine worship of statues, then the Catholic division scheme is justified since these images would be "other gods before" Him. A separate Commandment based on Deut. 5:8-10 would be redundant.
Now if God simply forbids the making of graven images, then there are problems elsewhere in the Bible. First, in Exodus 25:18-21, God commands Moses to make two statues of angels (cherubim) for the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Later in Numbers 21:8-9, God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed.

Now it is true that centuries later King Hezekiah destroyed it; however, this action was done because the people worshipped it as a god (2 Kings 18:4). In the Gospel, Jesus compared Himself to the bronze serpent (John 3:14). Continuing in the Old Testament, the inner sanctuary of the Temple contained two large statues of angels according to 1 Kings 6:23-28. In the following verses, Solomon also had the walls of the Temple decorated with carved images of angels, palm trees and flowers (1 Kings 6:29ff). During the Babylonian Captivity, Ezekiel had a vision from God about the design of the new Temple. According to Ezekiel 41:17-25, this new Temple contained graven images of angels and palm trees. These passages in the Bible indicate that God does not forbid the making of statues. If God truly condemned the making of graven images in the "Second Commandment", then He must have changed His mind later in the Old Testament.

The Catholic Church during the Council of Trent (1545-1563) issued a clear statement concerning images and statues. According to the 25th Session of this General Council:
The images of Christ and of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the saints are to be had and retained particularly in churches, and due honor and veneration are to be given them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed to be in them on account of which they are to be worshipped, or that anything is to be asked of them, or that trust is to be reposed in images, as was of old by the Gentiles, who placed their hopes in idols; but because the honor which is shown them is referred to the prototypes which these images represent; so that we through the images which we kiss...or bend the knee, adore Christ and venerate the saints, whom they represent. [The Canons & Decrees of the Council of Trent (TAN Books, 1978) p. 215-6]

The Church does NOT compel her members to kneel or pray before images. No one is allowed by the Church to pray to images since they have no ears to hear or power to help us. The Church allows for the veneration of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints.

On a related issue, some Christians may object to the veneration of images of the saints since they believe that honor should be directed towards God alone and not towards Mary or the saints (1 Tim. 1:17). This objection arises from a confusion between divine honor (adoration - supreme honor proper only for God) and respectful honor proper for men. According to the Bible, the people of God bowed down before King David to show him honor (2 Sam. 24:20; 1 Chron. 29:20; 21:21). Obadiah in 1 Kings 18:7 fell prostrate before Elijah showing him reverence for being a prophet of God. In the Ten Commandments, we are told to honor our mother and father (Deut. 5:16).

Even Jesus defended and obeyed this Commandment (Mark 7:9-13; Luke 2:51). At least for Mary, our honor to her is in imitation of Jesus, her Son (1 Cor. 11:1). The Church allows for the veneration of the saints and their images as long as it remains honor proper for men. It is good to honor the saints for their love and trust in God (Matt. 22:31-32; Heb. 11:1-12:1).
The Catholic Church has not altered the Ten Commandments of God. The Church has not dropped the "Second Commandment" as the booklet alleges. The Catholic numbering scheme may differ with the Protestant numbering scheme, but this is due to a difference in tradition and not an alteration of God's Commandments. Unfortunately the Bible is not clear on how to divide or number the Ten Commandments. If this difference is scandalous, it would be interesting to know what the author of the booklet thought of Jesus Christ when He reduced God's Commandments to the Two Great Commandments in Matt. 22:36-40.

Finally the Church strictly condemns the adoration (divine worship) of statues, images or even the saints, since this is idolatry and in direct violation of the First Commandment. For Christians a crucifix should not be considered merely as a statue of Jesus hanging on a cross, but as a reminder of the high cost of our salvation as well as His words to us:
"If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." [Mark 8:34]

Printed with permission from A Catholic
NAFIKILI KUFIKIA LEO UBISHI UTAKUWA UMEFIKIA MWISHO.

1)kwa utetezi wa amri ya pili"usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga na kuiabudu" kuwa ni muendelezo wa amri ya kwanza hii itapelekea catholcs kuwa naamri tisa badala ya kumi maana kwnye amri ya kumi (kumb 5;21) mliyoigawanya mara mbili inazungumzia kitu kimoja (kutaman mali ya mwingingine maana unaposema mke wake una maanisha anammliki yeye)
2)yesu hakubadil amri bal alizigawnya katika makund mawili 1)upendo kwa mungu 2)upendo kwa mwanadamu
3)kama ni mtu mwenye uelewa wa lugha unapoambiwa amri utaelewa maanayake huwezi ukaniambia usiabudu miungu mingine na usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga wala kuisujudia ni amri moja

 

[Ticktock dork]

hakuna dhehebu nnalolichukia kama waroma...na hayo madude wanayaabudu na kwenda kinyume na amri za Mungu.
imeandikwa usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga wala kitu chochote kilicho mfano mbinguni,baharini,nchi kavu etc...na kukiabudu.
lakini hawa ndo kwanza ukiingia unakuta kila kona wamechonga masanamu ya maria mtakatifu...masanamu ya yesu..hivi mliwah kuwaona? nyie ndo kwanza mmekazana na rozari mnabusu na zina sanamu ya yesu..ni wazima nyie?
mnachefua.

ni kweli wanakosea lakini si vizuri kuwachukia maana kama raia wa yesu unatakiwa kuwapenda wote hata wanaokuudhi

 

[Ticktock dork]

Mimi ni mkatoliki nisiyeunga mkono uwepo wa masanamu kanisani... Na ijumaa kuu huwa sijiangaishi kubusu msalaba. Sisali rozari kwakuwa naamini bikira Maria hawezi kusikia sala zangu...

Ntabakia mkatoliki kwa msimamo wangu.

muhimu sio ucatholic muhimu ni kufanya mungu apendacho ikwamo kushika amri zake

 

[jacjaz]

1. Labda utata ni hili neno kuabudu. Maana ya kuabudu haswa ni ipi?!!
2. Mungu aliruhusu kwa nyakati flani kutengeneza sanamu,lakini mara zote yeye ndio alisema sanamu iwe ya kitu gani na wapi iwekwe.
3. Sasa sanamu za Bikira Maria,Yesu msalabani nani aliwapa mamlaka kutengeneza?!!

 

[Mr What]

Ni wengi tuko hivyo. Trust me.

Sasa kwanini hamtoki humo??

 

[cyrustheruler]

Ndio umefungua mjadala kabisa zile sanamu zinafanya nini mle ni mapambo usimuunganishe Mungu na sanamu na nyoka wa shaba wa jangwani Rafiki Biblia haijichanganyi kama wanadamu mnavyojichanganya usije kutafuta uhalali wa ibada yako ya masanamu mbele ya watu wa Mungu kama unayoyandika ni kweli nenda pale saint peters au joseph kigango cha mjini sijui ukamwambie paroko ayatoe yake masanamu pale kwa sababu wewe umeangaziwa nuru kwamba hayaabudiwi uone atakayokujibu.