Uthibitisho wa uwepo wa Mungu kisayansi

[Kentsuhcy Wrudate]

Ume compare vitu ambavyo havifanani kabisa.

Sema tu,... Huna uthibitisho.


Waliopropose theory hawana uthibitisho,... Wewe Muumini wao utautolea wapi

Vinafanana. Kwasababu we can see cells existing without mitochondria. Kwahy unataka nithibisheje sasa?

Ni sawa na mm huwez kuthibitisha kua nilizaliwa. Ila as long as naexist ni obvious kua nilizaliwa...

 

[hateeb10]

Vinafanana. Kwasababu we can see cells existing without mitochondria. Kwahy unataka nithibisheje sasa?

Ni sawa na mm huwez kuthibitisha kua nilizaliwa. Ila as long as naexist ni obvious kua nilizaliwa...

Mpaka sasa hivi..... Hujathibitisha kama In Billions years Mitochondria haikua sehemu ya cell.

Walio propose hiyo theory wanasema hawana uthibitisho,.. wewe utaweza kuthibitisha, au tuamini tu hivyo?

Soma waliopropose theory wanavyosema⤵️

No, there is no evidence to suggest that mitochondria were not part of the cell. In fact, mitochondria are widely recognized as an essential component of eukaryotic cells, which are cells that have a nucleus and other organelles enclosed by a membrane. Mitochondria are responsible for producing ATP, the energy currency of the cell, through the process of cellular respiration. They also have their own DNA and replicate independently of the cell, which suggests that they were once free-living prokaryotic organisms that were engulfed by an ancestral eukaryotic cell through endosymbiosis. This theory is widely accepted and supported by evidence from molecular biology and evolutionary biology.


Unajua maana ya kuthibitisha?

Is suggestion an evidence/fact to you?

 

[Kentsuhcy Wrudate]

Mpaka sasa hivi..... Hujathibitisha kama In Billions years Mitochondria haikua sehemu ya cell.

Walio propose hiyo theory wanasema hawana uthibitisho,.. wewe utaweza kuthibitisha, au tuamini tu hivyo?

Soma waliopropose theory wanavyosema[emoji3593]

No, there is no evidence to suggest that mitochondria were not part of the cell. In fact, mitochondria are widely recognized as an essential component of eukaryotic cells, which are cells that have a nucleus and other organelles enclosed by a membrane. Mitochondria are responsible for producing ATP, the energy currency of the cell, through the process of cellular respiration. They also have their own DNA and replicate independently of the cell, which suggests that they were once free-living prokaryotic organisms that were engulfed by an ancestral eukaryotic cell through endosymbiosis. This theory is widely accepted and supported by evidence from molecular biology and evolutionary biology.


Unajua maana ya kuthibitisha?

Is suggestion an evidence/fact to you?

Unaweza kuobserve namna mitochondria inakua formed kupitia endosymbiosis. Wao wanasayansi wanasema kua "hii ndio namna pekee tunayojua mpaka sasa mitochondria inaweza kutengenezeka". Na conditions za kutengenezeka naturally zipo kwahyo probability ni kubwa. Ww kama una idea nyingine ya kutengenezeka kwa mitochondria iweke iwe studied. Simple!

 

[hateeb10]

Unaweza kuobserve namna mitochondria inakua formed kupitia endosymbiosis. Wao wanasayansi wanasema kua "hii ndio namna pekee tunayojua mpaka sasa mitochondria inaweza kutengenezeka". Na conditions za kutengenezeka naturally zipo kwahyo probability ni kubwa. Ww kama una idea nyingine ya kutengenezeka kwa mitochondria iweke iwe studied. Simple!

Wanasayansi wanasema.... "Hakuna Evidence yoyote kwamba Mitochondria haikua sehemu ya seli,bali wanaamini hivyo"

Ndiyo maana hata wewe umeshindwa kuthibitisha..... Kubali tu hiyo ni Imani...



Mitochondria kuwa formed kwenye endosymbiosis, sio uthibitisho kwamba Billions of years ago haikua sehemu ya seli.


NB: PROBABILITY IS NOT EVIDENCE.

 

[Kentsuhcy Wrudate]

Wanasayansi wanasema.... "Hakuna Evidence yoyote kwamba Mitochondria haikua sehemu ya seli,bali wanaamini hivyo"

Ndiyo maana hata wewe umeshindwa kuthibitisha..... Kubali tu hiyo ni Imani...



Mitochondria kuwa formed kwenye endosymbiosis, sio uthibitisho kwamba Billions of years ago haikua sehemu ya seli.


NB: PROBABILITY IS NOT EVIDENCE.

Sindomaana nimesema kua kwa ufahamu wetu wa sasa, hio ndio njia pekee tunafahamu mitochondria ilikua formed. Kama ipo njia nyingine, hio hatuijui. Na kama ni kwa endosymbiosis basi ni ile billion years kabla dunia haijacool vizuri, ila ilikua cool vya kutosha kua na liquid water.

 

[Snowflake]

Nawasalimia wana JF wote.

Leo nitaongelea uthibitisho wa kisayansi uwepo wa Mungu. Na ninapenda tujadili hapa kisayansi zaidi. Pamoja na kuunganisha imani mbalimbali zilizopo.

Sipendi niseme kwamba jina Mungu au neno Mungu ndio sahihi katika kitu ninachotaka kuongelea. Lakini nitaongelea kwamba kuna nguvu ipo ambayo hatuwezi kuielezea kwa namna ya mambo yanayoonekana.

Bila kupoteza muda naanza kama ifuatavyo.

LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY

states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another.

Kabla ya kuendelea kuongelea Law kwanza tunatakiwa tujiulize energy ni nini?
Energy is the ability to do work - Nishati ni uwezo wa kufanya kazi.

Kaitka vitu vyote vilivyopo ndani yake kunakuwa na Energy. Hata kama kiwe kimetulia.

Mpaka sasa wanasayansi wanajua namna ya kuitumia energy. Lakini kupata kujua energy ni kitu gani bado utafiti unaendelea.

Mwiliunahitaji chakula na ndani ya chakula kuna chemical energy ambayo hutumiwa ndani ya mwili na cells ilikuufanya mwili uweze kufanya kazi. Kazi zote zinazofanyika kwenye mwili energy ndiyo inayafanya zifanyike.

Pasipo energy hata existence ya kitu chochote kisingekuwepo.

Source of Energy

Wale waliosoma Quantum Physics au waliosoma Particle Physics
Hapa utasoma Fundamental particles and force inayohusu matter and radiation.

utakuja kuona ndani ya Atom kuna particle zipo ambazo ndani yake kuna energy.

Lakini utakapoenda ndani zaidi utakutana na vibration (Frequencies) ya very small particles.
Sasa ukienda zaidi kufanya utafiti hizo simall particles zimeundwa na nini. Jibu utapata void

WHAT IS VOID

: opening, gap. : empty space : emptiness, vacuum. : the quality or state of being without something .

Hiyo ndiyo tafsiri ya neno Void.

Je Void inaweza ikatengeneza haya maajabu yote tunayoyaona?

Nuclear Energy, Fossil Energy, Solar Energy, Electric Energy etc? Au kuna The very Powerful Existence iliyo juu ya uwezo wetu?

Basi kwa tafsiri hii naweza nikasema The Powerful Existence Beyond of our thinking which is the source of Energy is so called God or Allah in our understanding.

Hiyo ni Introduction ya thread yangu hii. Nitaendelea kuenda ndani zaidi kwa evidences za kisayansi.....

Uko kwenye Ukweli!

Divinity haitapenda ueleze hivo lakini hiyo ndiyo njia sahihi ya kuweza kwenda kwenye ukweli kuhusu Uwepo wa Mungu!

I condone with your thinking!!

 

[hateeb10]

Sindomaana nimesema kua kwa ufahamu wetu wa sasa, hio ndio njia pekee tunafahamu mitochondria ilikua formed. Kama ipo njia nyingine, hio hatuijui. Na kama ni kwa endosymbiosis basi ni ile billion years kabla dunia haijacool vizuri, ila ilikua cool vya kutosha kua na liquid water.

So, tuhitimishe kwamba hakuna uthibitisho.

Au sio....


Usione nauliza maswali kukomoa bali nataka ufahamu kwamba kwenye Dunia hii vitu vingi vinaenda kwa Imani maana hapo nikikuambia uthibitishe hutoweza,.... Hata Hao waliopropose hiyo theory wenyewe uthibitisho hawana!

 

[Kentsuhcy Wrudate]

So, tuhitimishe kwamba hakuna uthibitisho.

Au sio....


Usione nauliza maswali kukomoa bali nataka ufahamu kwamba kwenye Dunia hii vitu vingi vinaenda kwa Imani maana hapo nikikuambia uthibitishe hutoweza,.... Hata Hao waliopropose hiyo theory wenyewe uthibitisho hawana!

Haiwezi kuwa sawa na imani ya hizo dini lakini. It's more of a probability than it's faith...

 

[Kiranga]

If God created the universe, then who created God and who created the Creator of God?

These questions are often asked as a way to challenge the concept of a Devine being. but

What if I told you that the questions themselves are based on a flawed assumption, that assumption being that everything must have a beginning and an end.

We assume that God must have a beginning because everything we know of in this universe has a beginning but what if God exist outside of time and space.
What if God is the very fabric of existence itself.

The infinite source from which everything arises asking who created God is like asking what is North of the North Pole.

The question itself is meaningless, the answer lies not in our human understanding but in the acceptance of the mystery of existence.

Your concept, that not everything need a beginning, although posed as a defense for the existence of God, actually removes the need for a God.

Because, oftentimes, God is cited as the first cause, the original mover.

But, in a world where a beginning is not necessary, the universe/multiverse itself could have existed forever, without the need of a God to create it.

So, while you thought your argument was a way to defend the existence of God, you are actually showing us that, in that world where a beginning is not needed, God is not necessary at all.

 

[Mehmed II_The Conqueror]

Your concept, that not everything need a beginning, although posed as a defense for the existence of God, actually removes the need for a God.

Because, oftentimes, God is cited as the first cause, the original mover.

But, in a world where a beginning is not necessary, the universe/multiverse itself could have existed forever, without the need of a God to create it.

So, while you thought your argument was a way to defend the existence of God, you are actually showing us that, in that world where a beginning is not needed, God is not necessary at all.

You misunderstood my concept and that doesn't mean the existence of God is not necessary but rather it help us make sense of the mystery of existence.

In reality there will always be a way of acknowledging that there is something awe conspiring and mysterious about the universe, something that transcends our everyday experience and understanding.

and as I said the answer lies not in our human understanding but in the acceptance of the mystery of existence.

so you must try to follow religion in order to get answers (but as you know it's issue about Faith), otherwise embrace the mystery and wonder of our universe until it reveal it's secret in its own time and way.

 

[Venus Star]

You misunderstood my concept and that doesn't mean the existence of God is not necessary but rather it help us make sense of the mystery of existence.

In reality there will always be a way of acknowledging that there is something awe conspiring and mysterious about the universe, something that transcends our everyday experience and understanding.

and as I said the answer lies not in our human understanding but in the acceptance of the mystery of existence.

so you must try to follow religion in order to get answers (but as you know it's issue about Faith), otherwise embrace the mystery and wonder of our universe until it reveal it's secret in its own time and way.

Science and religion offer different perspectives on the nature of existence. Science seeks to explain the natural world through observation, experimentation, and empirical evidence, while religion attempts to provide answers to existential questions through faith, spirituality, and divine revelation.

From a scientific perspective, existence is understood through the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, and other natural sciences. Scientists seek to explain the nature of existence through a combination of empirical evidence and theoretical models, such as the Big Bang theory, evolutionary theory, and quantum mechanics.

Religion, on the other hand, offers a different understanding of existence that is often grounded in spiritual and metaphysical beliefs. Many religious traditions propose the existence of a higher power or divine being that created and sustains the universe. These beliefs often include the idea of an afterlife or spiritual realm that transcends physical existence.

While science and religion offer different explanations for the nature of existence, it is important to recognize that both approaches can offer valuable insights and perspectives. Ultimately, the nature of existence may be a complex and multifaceted concept that cannot be fully explained by any single approach.

 

[Mehmed II_The Conqueror]

Science and religion offer different perspectives on the nature of existence. Science seeks to explain the natural world through observation, experimentation, and empirical evidence, while religion attempts to provide answers to existential questions through faith, spirituality, and divine revelation.

From a scientific perspective, existence is understood through the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, and other natural sciences. Scientists seek to explain the nature of existence through a combination of empirical evidence and theoretical models, such as the Big Bang theory, evolutionary theory, and quantum mechanics.

Religion, on the other hand, offers a different understanding of existence that is often grounded in spiritual and metaphysical beliefs. Many religious traditions propose the existence of a higher power or divine being that created and sustains the universe. These beliefs often include the idea of an afterlife or spiritual realm that transcends physical existence.

While science and religion offer different explanations for the nature of existence, it is important to recognize that both approaches can offer valuable insights and perspectives. Ultimately, the nature of existence may be a complex and multifaceted concept that cannot be fully explained by any single approach.

Absolutely yes.
But still Science and Religion shares some ideas of mystery of existence (God concept), such as the Big Bang theory.

And some of those ideas were written about 1400 years ago that science discovered in the 19th to 20th century and science confirmed those ideas.

In additional, simply I can say that...
Religion, is like all things, is subject to change. It has evolved throughout history and will continue to do so.

Some may argue that religion is becoming obsolete, but I believe that there will always be some form of religion. Because religion serves a fundamental of human need.

It provides a sense of purpose, Meaning and community, even in secular societies, people still seek transcendence and spiritual experiences.

Religion may take an different forms but the essence of it will remain as long as humans exist. There will always be a desire for something beyond ourselves.

 

[DeepPond]

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[DeepPond]

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[Venus Star]

Kuna kitu kwa sasa nimewaza nataka tushirikiana. But you need to know Physics and Mathematics.

Formula of energy of photons
E = h * f
Formula of energy of quarks
E = m * c^2

Nime kuja kugundua according to this two equation that.
Matter is created from the frequency of photons which are more than electromagnetic spectrum frequencies.

The maximum frequency of electromagnetic spectrum is
1.86 x 10^24Hz

 

[Venus Star]

The equation m * c^2 = h * f is an expression of the mass-energy equivalence, where m is the mass of a particle, c is the speed of light, h is Planck's constant, and f is the frequency of the particle. This equation shows that the mass of a particle can be converted into energy, and vice versa.

For an up quark, we can use this equation to find its frequency as follows:

m * c^2 = h * f

f = (m * c^2) / h

The mass of an up quark is approximately 2.2 MeV/c^2, which is equivalent to approximately 3.96 x 10^-28 kg. The speed of light is approximately 2.998 x 10^8 meters per second, and Planck's constant is approximately 6.626 x 10^-34 joule-seconds.

Substituting these values into the equation, we get:

f = (3.96 x 10^-28 kg) * (2.998 x 10^8 m/s)^2 / (6.626 x 10^-34 J·s)

f ≈ 1.86 x 10^32 Hz

Therefore, the frequency of an up quark is approximately 1.86 x 10^32 Hz.

In summary, the frequency of an up quark is much higher than the highest frequencies of electromagnetic waves.

 

[Venus Star]

Hapa nataka kusema kwamba from physics point of view vibration of photons is the one which produces everything including matter.

Mfano mdogo kwenye nuclear fission.
To prove existence of photons in matter.
The formula of E = m*c^2 show that during nuclear fission matter is converted to Energy in form of
Heat, Electromagnetic and other.
But where electromagnetic energy come from in matter? And the end result of mass of nuclear reduced because converted to Energy.

Conclusion is that. In the nucleus of Atom the formation of particles made from vibration of photons. If you change the vibration of them they will change the behavior of existence.

NAOMBA WATAALAMU WA SCIENCE TOJADILI HAPA

 

[Mlolongo]

Asanteni

 

[Raymanu KE]

Aisee Kuna Jambo la kujifunza hapa

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Nawasalimia wana JF wote.

Leo nitaongelea uthibitisho wa kisayansi uwepo wa Mungu. Na ninapenda tujadili hapa kisayansi zaidi. Pamoja na kuunganisha imani mbalimbali zilizopo.

Sipendi niseme kwamba jina Mungu au neno Mungu ndio sahihi katika kitu ninachotaka kuongelea. Lakini nitaongelea kwamba kuna nguvu ipo ambayo hatuwezi kuielezea kwa namna ya mambo yanayoonekana.

Bila kupoteza muda naanza kama ifuatavyo.

LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY

states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another.

Kabla ya kuendelea kuongelea Law kwanza tunatakiwa tujiulize energy ni nini?
Energy is the ability to do work - Nishati ni uwezo wa kufanya kazi.

Kaitka vitu vyote vilivyopo ndani yake kunakuwa na Energy. Hata kama kiwe kimetulia.

Mpaka sasa wanasayansi wanajua namna ya kuitumia energy. Lakini kupata kujua energy ni kitu gani bado utafiti unaendelea.

Mwiliunahitaji chakula na ndani ya chakula kuna chemical energy ambayo hutumiwa ndani ya mwili na cells ilikuufanya mwili uweze kufanya kazi. Kazi zote zinazofanyika kwenye mwili energy ndiyo inayafanya zifanyike.

Pasipo energy hata existence ya kitu chochote kisingekuwepo.

Source of Energy

Wale waliosoma Quantum Physics au waliosoma Particle Physics
Hapa utasoma Fundamental particles and force inayohusu matter and radiation.

utakuja kuona ndani ya Atom kuna particle zipo ambazo ndani yake kuna energy.

Lakini utakapoenda ndani zaidi utakutana na vibration (Frequencies) ya very small particles.
Sasa ukienda zaidi kufanya utafiti hizo simall particles zimeundwa na nini. Jibu utapata void

WHAT IS VOID

: opening, gap. : empty space : emptiness, vacuum. : the quality or state of being without something .

Hiyo ndiyo tafsiri ya neno Void.

Je Void inaweza ikatengeneza haya maajabu yote tunayoyaona?

Nuclear Energy, Fossil Energy, Solar Energy, Electric Energy etc? Au kuna The very Powerful Existence iliyo juu ya uwezo wetu?

Basi kwa tafsiri hii naweza nikasema The Powerful Existence Beyond of our thinking which is the source of Energy is so called God or Allah in our understanding.

Hiyo ni Introduction ya thread yangu hii. Nitaendelea kuenda ndani zaidi kwa evidences za kisayansi.....

Umeelezea kisomi sana.Mungu akubariki.

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