Who created God? Who made him? Where did he come from?

[mjasiria]

You assertion is a steeped in a common logical fallacy, argument from ignorance.

I will repeat, the evidence does not support the existence of a god, and it is with that in mind that I can confidently say there is no god. Provide me evidence of a god and I will be open to that idea.

You are not open to the evidence themselves. Just open your mind and you will see them all around you. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to see God in all his creation. Of coz if you have decided to be blind you won't see.

 

[thinky]

You are right! It is the impairment of a person's faculties and and aversion to critical thinking!

if i say when space is removed there is nothing but scientists just move around i declare they have low thinking ability

 

[msumeno]

Umungu wake ulikuwa upi/Alikuwa mungu lini?,Unaelewa nn unaposikia neno mungu?

Nenda kanisani acha mawali bwana..... kwani huwa husikii Yesu akiitwa Mungu.... mbona liko wazi hili..... hata humu JF kuna watu wanaamini Yesu ni Mungu... mimi kwangu Yesu ( Issa ) ni mtume wa Mungu wa daraja la Juu lakini si Mungu

 

[Mekatilili]

You are not open to the evidence themselves. Just open your mind and you will see them all around you. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to see God in all his creation. Of coz if you have decided to be blind you won't see.

My mind is "open" provide the evidence and I will entertain the thought. Repeating your assertions over and over again is not useful, provide the evidence!

 

[thinky]

My mind is "open" provide the evidence and I will entertain the thought. Repeating your assertions over and over again is not useful, provide the evidence!

how can you see GOD while GODs rule to know his presence arent followed

 

[Mekatilili]

ha ha ha ha ha I Cant believe a dholuo beating around the bush,why cant to you hit the bush.

I havent requested list of Ancient scholars and years when they existed or a cell realia in an Image form,plus their fields of specialization


You have two quetions to answer


1)What PERCENTAGE of a cell is made up of water%%%%.????????????????????????? .......

2)I have said,i need any Ancient scholar before 570 Ad who just said(with out prove) or knew that living things were made from Water.

Or even a hearby say from Aristotle and his allies that it may state that" i hereby Aristotle with my allies (570 Ad) confirms that living things are made from water.

I have already provided a list of scholars who thousands of years before 570 AD believed that human beings were made of water and here they are:

1. Ayurverdic medicine-3700 years before 570 AD. Their work on doshas.
2. Hippocrates-Most notable-Over 1000 years before 570 AD in the theory of 4 humors. His hippocratic oath is used by doctors to this date.
   
3. Aristotle: Over 900 years before 570 AD.
   
4. Gelen: 400 years before Islam.
   
5. Dioscorides: 500 years before 570 AD.

There were thousands of doctors that published works on the humors and held the belief that the body was made of water. The quran restates what was common knowledge in that age.

Why are you ignoring the fact that I have provided that list?

Why doesn't the quran state that two thirds of a cell is made up of water? It instead repeats the same mistakes that were made in the theory of the 4 humors. A theory that existed 4000 years before the advent of islam.

In one part of the quran, it is stated that humans are made from clay, in another part it is stated that humans are made from congealed blood and in the part we are discussing, it is stated that humans are made from water. Again, these are-inaccurate- beliefs that existed for thousands of years before islam.

We now know that living organisms are not made up of water and that the basic unit of life is a cell. This is common biological information taught at the elementary level.

The Cell

 

[Mekatilili]

if i say when space is removed there is nothing but scientists just move around i declare they have low thinking ability

Sorry but this does not make sense.

how can you see GOD while GODs rule to know his presence arent followed

This argument is fallacious because it begins by assuming that there is a god and that it is only within that context that any argument can proceed.

 

[thinky]

Sorry but this does not make sense.



This argument is fallacious because it begins by assuming that there is a god and that it is only within that context that any argument can proceed.

haha poor thinker it not making sense to you doesnt mean its senseless .


we put aside science and religion where did nature came from

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Are you not capable of discussing any issue without resorting to infantile remarks? Very religious of you!

You are busy copy and pasting things [sic] that you do not understand, explain those so called "blunders" and we can have a conversation. Like I stated earlier, you have a non scientific understanding of science.

U see! We bongoland lads have a good sence of humour!
We do crack and joke in our conversation, unfortunately kenyans are a bit boring!. And as I told you before my intention is not to cause ill feelings!
Just take a chill pill and let have a little laugh! Shall we!?

Now then, when I gave you all the titles of those scientific blunders all you have to do is ask your professor "google"! Thats all.

If I explain here all of it, you will turn around and ask for a link!

In regards to whether GOD do exists or NOT is not todays subject here.

The title above is "WHO CREATED GOD"!
and I will prefer to stick to that for now.

If you dont believe that GOD do exist how could you discussed with someone whether HE was CREATED or Not!

If you want to know More about GOD if he does Exist or not, then I will give you just a touch of ISLAMIC prospective of GOD.

To start if I may ask you Mekatilili "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God.
If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand.
For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist like you to say ‘there is no God’, He should at least know the concept of God.
His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which You Mekatilili shall Insha Allah not refuse.

Now follow me on this one ( and please DONT ASK FOR A LINK!) Because you ask me TO EXPLAIN.

QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

I will try use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore I accept all those answer above, unless you Mekatilili have a different answer to the above question.
I hope not.!


THEORY OF PROBABILITY


In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’.

If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct.

Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half.
But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.


The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine

Mr Mekatilili I will finish with this last paragraph here.

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD


Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God.
Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

I Hope you did not offended this time.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Eiyer]

What is your question? Be specific.

Unajua maana ya quote?
Au hujui Kiswahili?

 

[Free ideas]

Mungu akuumbwa na alikuwepo tangu hapo mwanzo ukisoma kipengele hicho huwezi kuuliza mungu ni nani pili ukijua mungu anaishi wapi utamjua mungu katokana na nini?

Ukisema tangu mwanzo maana yake kuna kabla ya mwanzo,so tuambie kwa nn awepo tangu mwanzo na sio kabla ya mwanzo.


mnasema mnamjua mungu mkibanwa mnasema mungu haelezeki kwa akili za kibinadam,.Mnasahau kwamba mmemaliza kumwezea kwa akili hizo hizo hizo za kibinadam.kazi kwel kwel.

 

[mjasiria]

My mind is "open" provide the evidence and I will entertain the thought. Repeating your assertions over and over again is not useful, provide the evidence!

I told you intelligent creation. What do you want?

 

[mjasiria]

Go west or East,you must Answer this

I havent requested list of Ancient scholars and years when they existed or a cell realia in an Image form,plus their fields of specialization


You have two quetions to answer


1)What PERCENTAGE of a cell is made up of water%%%%.????????????????????????? .......

2)I have said,i need any Ancient scholar before 570 Ad who just said(with out prove) or knew that living things were made from Water.

Or even a hearby say from Aristotle and his allies that it may state that" i hereby Aristotle with my allies (570 Ad) confirms that living things are made from water.

Huyu mi nimesema kazi anayoweza ni kuposti picha za suburbs na madaraja. Huku hawezi.

 

[mjasiria]

Ukisema tangu mwanzo maana yake kuna kabla ya mwanzo,so tuambie kwa nn awepo tangu mwanzo na sio kabla ya mwanzo.


mnasema mnamjua mungu mkibanwa mnasema mungu haelezeki kwa akili za kibinadam,.Mnasahau kwamba mmemaliza kumwezea kwa akili hizo hizo hizo za kibinadam.kazi kwel kwel.

WEwe hujajibu maswali yangu kule

 

[Free ideas]

WEwe hujajibu maswali yangu kule

Inawezekana hayakuhitaji majibu.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Ukisema tangu mwanzo maana yake kuna kabla ya mwanzo,so tuambie kwa nn awepo tangu mwanzo na sio kabla ya mwanzo.


mnasema mnamjua mungu mkibanwa mnasema mungu haelezeki kwa akili za kibinadam,.Mnasahau kwamba mmemaliza kumwezea kwa akili hizo hizo hizo za kibinadam.kazi kwel kwel.

Tatizo lako wewe ni kuwa upo hapa kwenye uzi huu kwa lengo la KUBISHANA! na sio kutaka KUELEWA.

Unapindisha maneno ya wachangiaji na kutoa hitimisho mwenyewe bila kuwapa nafasi kukuelezea Nini kusudi la mchango wao.

Ohh kama umesema hivi una maana ya vile!

Unadhani kwa kufanya hivyo ndiko kutakako kufanya wewe uonekane hodari wa hoja.

Umeandikiwa na huyo mdau kuwa MUNGU ALIKUWEPO TOKEA MWANZO! Kwa maana ya kuwa MUNGU NDIO MWANZO WA YOTE.

Sasa km unataka kuuliza, muulize je! Anaushahidi upi wa kauli hio?

Sio kujigeuza MWALIMU wa kiswahili na kupoteza wakati wa watu.

 

[Free ideas]

Tatizo lako wewe ni kuwa upo hapa kwenye uzi huu kwa lengo la KUBISHANA! na sio kutaka KUELEWA.

Unapindisha maneno ya wachangiaji na kutoa hitimisho mwenyewe bila kuwapa nafasi kukuelezea Nini kusudi la mchango wao.

Ohh kama umesema hivi una maana ya vile!

Unadhani kwa kufanya hivyo ndiko kutakako kufanya wewe uonekane hodari wa hoja.

Umeandikiwa na huyo mdau kuwa MUNGU ALIKUWEPO TOKEA MWANZO! Kwa maana ya kuwa MUNGU NDIO MWANZO WA YOTE.

Sasa km unataka kuuliza, muulize je! Anaushahidi upi wa kauli hio?

Sio kujigeuza MWALIMU wa kiswahili na kupoteza wakati wa watu.

Ukisema hivo unakosea sana ,mimi huwa napinga sana ubishi.Na siku ukinishinda kwa hoja ntakwambia leo umenishinda,lakini kama unalalamika bila hoja hatutafika,

Ni kwel mm sio mwalimu wa kiswahili lakini panapo makosa lazima nikosoe.Hiv nikisema ""Jana mama kaanza safar.,"",Neno jana ni kielezi cha Wakati,Sawa kabisa na neno Mwanzo.,Kwa hiyo kama mama kaanza safari jana,mtu akiniuliza ""mama yako juzi alikuwa wapi ama alifanya nn?,huyu mtu atakuwa kakosea ?,.kwa nn mama aanze tu jana safar?,Halafu juz habar zake zisiwepo?,lazima mama anachanzo.

 

[Free ideas]

Ukisema hivo unakosea sana ,mimi huwa napinga sana ubishi.Na siku ukinishinda kwa hoja ntakwambia leo umenishinda,lakini kama unalalamika bila hoja hatutafika,

Ni kwel mm sio mwalimu wa kiswahili lakini panapo makosa lazima nikosoe.Hiv nikisema ""Jana mama kaanza safar.,"",Neno jana ni kielezi cha Wakati,Sawa kabisa na neno Mwanzo.,Kwa hiyo kama mama kaanza safari jana,mtu akiniuliza ""mama yako juzi alikuwa wapi ama alifanya nn?,huyu mtu atakuwa kakosea ?,.kwa nn mama aanze tu jana safar?,Halafu juz habar zake zisiwepo?,lazima mama anachanzo.


Ongezea na hii,

Ukisema kitu,/jambo kimeanza jana hapo unaongelea muda wa kitu hicho kuwepo.Ukisema kilivoanza/alivoanza ndo na ukawa mwanzo wa muda/nyakati lazima utaibua maswali mfanno.

1.kwa nn iwe jana na sio juzi?
2.Nn sababu ya kitu hicho kuwepo?,
3.Madhumuni dhahili ya ujio/uwepo wake n nn?,.

 

[Free ideas]

Swala hapa ni NANI KAMUUMBA MUNGU?(kama yupo).

Kuna mmoja hapo juu kasema,kwamba kama tunasema HAKUNA MUNGU KWA NN TUNAJADILI.?.alisahau kwamba cc tunapinga hoja zao za uwepo wa mungu ambaye hayupo.,Alisahau pia kwamba Hakuna Hata mmoja kati yao aliyewhi kuthibitisha UWEPO WA MUNGU,

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Swala hapa ni NANI KAMUUMBA MUNGU?(kama yupo).

Kuna mmoja hapo juu kasema,kwamba kama tunasema HAKUNA MUNGU KWA NN TUNAJADILI.?.alisahau kwamba cc tunapinga hoja zao za uwepo wa mungu ambaye hayupo.,Alisahau pia kwamba Hakuna Hata mmoja kati yao aliyewhi kuthibitisha UWEPO WA MUNGU,

Labda nikuulize swali dogo tu!

Huyu MUNGU tunaejaribu kumjadili hapa NI NANI?

Manake huwezi kujadili kitu au mtu au nguvu yyt bila kwanza kufahamu japo MAANA ya hicho unacho kijadili.

Labda tuanzie hapo.

Kwa ufahamu wako WEWE MUNGU NI NANI? AU NI NINI?