Another big blow to CoW (Kenya): Uganda prefers route through Tanzania for her oil exports

[MK254]

I wouldn't be surprised were i to learn that JK's mind still hasn't lit up with the idea of building an SGR to Uganda from Tanga port!

Yeah and that's what am talking about, we are in competition, put up your railway, we implement ours as well, give the clients freedom to choose. That's business, nothing personal, we have been trying to teach/train you people about this concept, but all you do is seat in a corner and complain about being sidelined. Mtaamuka tu hatimaye, hata kama italazimika kuburuzwa kwa pua.

Ukombozi uliopo sasa hivi kama alivyowaambia Mkapa, ni wa mambo ya uchumi. Muingie kwenye mikataba na nchi mbali mbali ya kila aina.

 

[msemakweli]

So, when they say 'security concerns', to u they are only intimating at terror concerns in Kenya? Not vandalism to the pipeline by pipo seeking to siphon its content?

Why would any right thinking oil investor consider having such an expensive infrastructure run through that largely desolate country that is Tanzania where the risk of pipe perforation might be higher and harder and costlier to keep in check?

Largely desolate?
Northern Tanzania is not desolate my friend!
Idle swathes of land are in central and particularly southern TZ, not Arusha, Kilimanjaro and Tanga (the northern zone)

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I hope CCM is voted out so Tanzania no longer wears the sluggard of EA tag. Hii ni fursa nzuri I hope tutaichangamkia ipasavyo! Cc JokaKuu

This is a heavy rain on Kenyans' parade....we should take this opportunity seriously before our goose is cooked.....I trust that with UKAWA we will even catch more balls....

 

[Iconoclastes]

Largely desolate?
Northern Tanzania is not desolate my friend!
Idle swathes of land are in central and particularly southern TZ, not Arusha, Kilimanjaro and Tanga (the northern zone)

It might be heavily populated but not as as heavily infrastructured as the hugely populated southern Kenya where there are roads, railways, towns and cities nearly every 50kms, unlike your Tanzania, where I have heard the drivers of those big trucks complain about driving many miles without seeing any signs of human life. The towns are so far apart! They dread it when their trucks decides to break down in Tanzania; the place could be miles from anywhere.

They hate those encounters with those backward, uneducated villagers, who seem to believe Nyerere is still the leader of Tanzania! Infact they refer to those truck drivers as ''Nyerere's pipo'' :lol:

Now, can such a savage, clueless population help protect the pipeline?

 

[Jack Daniel's]

It might be heavily populated but not as as heavily infrastructured as the hugely populated southern Kenya where there are roads, railways, towns and cities nearly every 50kms, unlike your Tanzania, where I have heard the drivers of those big trucks complain about driving many miles without seeing any signs of human life. The towns are so far apart! They dread it when their trucks decides to break down in Tanzania; the place could be miles from anywhere.

They hate those encounters with those backward, uneducated villagers, who seem to believe Nyerere is still the leader of Tanzania! Infact they refer to those truck drivers as ''Nyerere's pipo'' [emoji38]

Now, can such a savage, clueless population help protect the pipeline?

Sir, we have a lot of pipelines cutting across the country...this 'won't' be the first....these infrastructures need to be protected only when their existence is at risk or threat...e.g Nigeria's oil pipelines from Boko Haram....

When investors cite 'security risks' and cost of operation (expensive route), it has nothing to do with distances between towns and cities or economic situation of communities where the pipelines will pass......

 

[Iconoclastes]

This is a heavy rain on Kenyans' parade....we should take this opportunity seriously before our goose is cooked.....I trust that with UKAWA we will even catch more balls....

Circa 2010:
Where is the damn railway?

And the project waz supposed to be completed this year-2015...:heh:
Geza Ulole

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Circa 2010:
Where is the damn railway?

And the project waz supposed to be completed this year-2015...:heh:
Geza Ulole

Part of the reason I was excited of this news was in part because I have trust in a new government (not under CCM) and that all these are coming at a time of change for us....

We have a lot of projects on hiatus but we also have a weak leadership, the same applies to Kenyans...[remember Obama's advices to the Kenyan people]

 

[Iconoclastes]

Sir, we have a lot of pipelines cutting across the country...this 'won't' be the first....these infrastructures need to be protected only when their existence is at risk or threat...e.g Nigeria's oil pipelines from Boko Haram....

When investors cite 'security risks' and cost of operation (expensive route), it has nothing to do with distances between towns and cities or economic situation of communities where the pipelines will pass......

Likewise here in Kenya. There havent been cases of sabotages attributed to the alshbb.
Jack, it isnt only the terrorists that would want to harm the pipelines, thus the only ones to be scared of by the stakeholders involved. Consider the contents of those pipelines. How many cases of deadly explosions have occurred in Nigeria, owing to boring of those pipes to extract the oil running inside them, just by ordinary thieves.

The economic situation of the community matters a lot in combating such vices.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Likewise here in Kenya. There havent been cases of sabotages attributed to the alshbb.
Jack, it isnt only the terrorists that would want to harm the pipelines, thus the only ones to be scared of by the stakeholders involved. Consider the contents of those pipelines. How many cases of deadly explosions have occurred in Nigeria, owing to boring of those pipes to extract the oil running inside them, just by ordinary thieves.

The economic situation of the community matters a lot in combating such vices.

Take a look at the following highlights:

BLUE: That's why they call it 'concern'...The fact that it hasn't happened doesn't kill the possibility that it may happen....

GREEN: Terrorists causes massive damages to these kind of infrastructures resulting into heavy losses...

RED: Pipeline explosions are risk in itself, that is always properly insured....

CYAN: In Tanzania for example, we have an oil pipeline to Zambia that haven't experienced those kind of instances...communities with conflicts are always destructing investments....

 

[Iconoclastes]

Part of the reason I was excited of this news was in part because I have trust in a new government (not under CCM) and that all these are coming at a time of change for us....

We have a lot of projects on hiatus but we also have a weak leadership, the same applies to Kenyans...[remember Obama's advices to the Kenyan people]

Well, I do hope that that new govt by the opposition ur hoping to usher in soon will surely have the wisdom to enable the coming into fruition of those development projects that will surely benefit Tanzania and its pipo, but there isnt a guarantee that they will be better performers. They may be just as bad as the CCM (if not worse).

I think it will all narrow down to u, the common mwananchi. Are u prepared to take up the burden pressuring your new govt to deliver on its campaign promises?
Here in Kenya, were it not for the Kenyans impatience and compulsion, the Kibaki regime wouldnt have delivered much.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Take a look at the following highlights:

BLUE: That's why they call it 'concern'...The fact that it hasn't happened doesn't kill the possibility that it may happen...

GREEN: Terrorists causes massive damages to these kind of infrastructures resulting into heavy losses...

RED: Pipeline explosions are risk in itself, that is always properly insured....

CYAN: In Tanzania for example, we have an oil pipeline to Zambia that haven't experienced those kind of instances...communities with conflicts are always destructing investments....

The only plausible reasons for opting Tz but not Kenya should be the greater distance, which ofcourse would impact negatively on the cost. Hizo issues zote kuhusu insecurity are bogus.
Like I said,it isnt only the terrorists that are interested in sabotaging the pipelines.
Look at the political situation in Uganda, that govt has many enemies there.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Well, I do hope that that new govt by the opposition ur hoping to usher in soon will surely have the wisdom to enable the coming into fruition of those development projects that will surely benefit Tanzania and its pipo, but there isnt a guarantee that they will be better performers. They may be just as bad as the CCM (if not worse).

I think it will all narrow down to u, the common mwananchi. Are u prepared to take up the burden pressuring your new govt to deliver on its campaign promises?
Here in Kenya, were it not for the Kenyans impatience and compulsion, the Kibaki regime wouldnt have delivered much.

You see what is good about this, is the fact that we can't just have one party in power for more than five decades....

Tanzanian politics is not one that is solely defined by tribalism, we have a unity of purpose....I think this gives our opposition a better chance to work and perform better.....

If the people can hold their government accountable, then that is a good political ingredient...if CCM and opposition knows that they can be voted in or out, that compels them to perform, unlike a scenario where CCM belives they will rule until Jesus comes back....

 

[Jack Daniel's]

The only plausible reasons for opting Tz but not Kenya should be the greater distance, which ofcourse would impact negatively on the cost. Hizo issues zote kuhusu insecurity are bogus.
Like I said,it isnt only the terrorists that are interested in sabotaging the pipelines.
Look at the political situation in Uganda, that govt has many enemies there.

BLUE: What you think is not what the shareholders and directors of those oil companies think...those guys unlike you have invested their money there....

RED: What you are doing as an ordinary citizen is extenuating the security risks...

ORANGE: But then terrorists can't be ignored just because there is existence of possible weak companions in play...

VIOLET: Security risk analysis of both Uganda and Kenya provides different results that put Kenya at the top of the table.....

 

[Iconoclastes]

You see what is good about this, is the fact that we can't just have one party in power for more than five decades....

Tanzanian politics is not one that is solely defined by tribalism, we have a unity of purpose....I think this gives our opposition a better chance to work and perform better.....

If the people can hold their government accountable, then that is a good political ingredient...if CCM and opposition knows that they can be voted in or out, that compels them to perform, unlike a scenario where CCM belives they will rule until Jesus comes back....

Hey, there's nothing wrong with having just one party in power...even for centures; as long as it delivers to the pipo.

I hate our politics. Infact at times it makes me feel ashamed as a Kenyan at times whenever every contentious political discourse has to take tribal dimension.
Our brand of politics is baffling, even to the most ethnically stratified countries in Africa.
The sooner we resolve the problem the better.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with having just one party in power...even for centures; as long as it delivers to the pipo.

I hate our politics. Infact at times it makes me feel ashamed as a Kenyan at times whenever every contentious political discourse has to take tribal dimension.
Our brand of politics is baffling, even to the most ethnically stratified countries in Africa.
The sooner we resolve the problem the better.

RED:In a democracy, no party stays in power for decades...don't confuse between multipartisms and one-party state systems....there has to be, always side B which will explain side A's weaknesses to the people because Side A will always hide their failures....People will always want differences and new taste....

 

[msemakweli]

It might be heavily populated but not as as heavily infrastructured as the hugely populated southern Kenya where there are roads, railways, towns and cities nearly every 50kms, unlike your Tanzania, where I have heard the drivers of those big trucks complain about driving many miles without seeing any signs of human life. The towns are so far apart! They dread it when their trucks decides to break down in Tanzania; the place could be miles from anywhere.

They hate those encounters with those backward, uneducated villagers, who seem to believe Nyerere is still the leader of Tanzania! Infact they refer to those truck drivers as ''Nyerere's pipo'' :lol:

Now, can such a savage, clueless population help protect the pipeline?

Excuse you! Don't forget there are backward, illiterate villagers in Kenya too so I dont think that is a point here!
How do you think those poor famished Kenyans are going to protect the pipeline?
Besides, face it. Kenya is a TERROR hotbed. this is a multibillion dollar pipe. Even i would know better than to lay it there!
BTW, do you Kenyans still eat your own shit?! I read that somewhere. The Kamba people particularly. During the dry spells.

 

[Iconoclastes]

RED:In a democracy, no party stays in power for decades...don't confuse between multipartisms and one-party state systems....there has to be, always side B which will explain side A's weaknesses to the people because Side A will always hide their failures....People will always want differences and new taste....

I am talking about the very same democratic governance system which u have in mind; where more than two parties contest for the same position in a free and fair elections...and the party with the most majority wins. Why should it be undesirable for one party to enjoy that position even for decades if it is the pipo that keep voting it in for reasons best known to them?

The ANC, 22nd years on, is still by far the most influential of all political parties in SA, but is it their fault?

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I am talking about the very same democratic governance system which u have in mind; where more than two parties contest for the same position in a free and fair elections...and the party with the most majority wins. Why should it be undesirable for one party to enjoy that position even for decades if it is the pipo that keep voting it in for reasons best known to them?

The ANC, 22nd years on, is still by far the most influential of all political parties in SA, but is it their fault?

What you have to understand is that when these individuals stay for decades, they turn the country's leadership into a family thing or turn the country into some kingdom....and the national cake is enjoyed by minority instead of the majority....

While you are looking at the influence of parties like ANC, look at the growth and influence of the opposition parties as well...

Uganda, Rwanda, Gabon, Namibia and others are typical countries where the opposition has not grown to the level of attempting to oust the existing ruling party in part because of government crackdown and crippling of opposition and silencing of the dissent....

I don't know about you but I am a pro-democracy, and in multipartism there has to be peaceful change of political parties in leadership otherwise that country is not a democracy....Right?

 

[MK254]

Well, I do hope that that new govt by the opposition ur hoping to usher in soon will surely have the wisdom to enable the coming into fruition of those development projects that will surely benefit Tanzania and its pipo, but there isnt a guarantee that they will be better performers. They may be just as bad as the CCM (if not worse).

I think it will all narrow down to u, the common mwananchi. Are u prepared to take up the burden pressuring your new govt to deliver on its campaign promises?
Here in Kenya, were it not for the Kenyans impatience and compulsion, the Kibaki regime wouldnt have delivered much.

Iconoclastes Bongos are too moribund, too patient, too "peaceful" to demand for anything, I've lived with them to know a lot. They can change leadership all over but I doubt that will have much impact as they are too tolerant.

I know in Kenya we have corruption, but the kind of corruption that happens in Bongo if switched to Kenya, we would be rendered bankrupt as country in one year. They are also too oppressed and most seem to have given in to that way of life. You can come across so many poverty stricken slum dwellers who are ready to die for CCM ..... "Chama Kidumu", the only slogan most of them know.

It'll take far more than a mere change of leadership to kick-start them.

 

[TimChoice]

And who said CCM will relinquish power without a fight?.....haha!.....they think change comes on a silver platter....lets sit back and watch as the statgus quo is re-instated ..that is Africa!!!!!