CONFIRMED: January Makamba kugombea Bumbuli

[Manta]

January Makamba ameanza kampeni za uchaguzi huko Bumbuli kabla ya muda wa kuanza kampeni kufika. Jana mwenyekiti wa CCM ametowa order kama ilivyo hapo chini. Nafiki Mzee Makamba inabidi aanza na kijana wake kumpa adhabu ya kukiuka agizo la chama kuanza kampeni kabla ya muda.

Just brainstorming... Kama Baba yako ameshindwa kupata ubunge wa Bumbuli mara mbili, mtoto ambae hajulikani huko Bumbuli atapata huo ubunge kweli hata kwa nguvu za fedha?

Wana Bumbuli should prove that hawadangayiki... so far the snab against January is an indication kwamba hawadanganyiki

Saturday February 06, 2010

Kikwete decries early campaigns

By MASEMBE TAMBWE, 6th February 2010 @ 11:01, Total Comments: 0, Hits: 57

PRESIDENT Jakaya Kikwete has directed the CCM Secretary General, Yusuf Makamba, to expel the party's members and leaders at all levels who are engaged in organizing and holding campaign meetings before the appointed time.

"Gather the information and dismiss all those engaged in organizing campaign meetings. This is a shameful act. Other disciplinary measures will follow as required by the CCM constitution," President Kikwete said.

Mr Kikwete said this today at the climax of the 33rd anniversary of the birth of CCM in Dar es Salaam.

The president, who is also the CCM national party chairman, said that although any party member is allowed to announce his or her intention of being an election candidate now, it is wrong to start campaign at this time.

He said that he had information that there were constituencies and wards where party members had started campaigning. He warned those who were doing so to stop immediately because they were spoiling the good image of the party.

In a bid to broaden diplomacy, CCM has recently adopted a policy where the election processes involves all party members and not like before whereby only party leaders took part.

"For there to be victory in the forthcoming elections, we need to plant good seeds if we must get a good harvest. The tendency of some candidates who are busy buying membership cards, isn't a good way of sowing good seeds and this must stop," he ordered.

The chairman warned CCM leaders to be cautious of people who have suddenly remembered that the party still exists and now want to help out.

Mr Kikwete said that these people shouldn't spoil the name of the party. He advised that after candidates have been nominated, leaders should ensure that campaign equipment is readily available and funds for elections are adequate.

"After the elections in 2005, I recall vividly that I mentioned the importance of setting up election funds requiring people to donate. But it is apparent that many haven't done so. It is of paramount importance that we look for funds.

"But we should also ensure that we do not collect dirty money," he stressed. He said that though it was better late than never, the party needed to start thinking on how best to raise money for the general elections.

The chairman advised that all fundraising should be open and in the form of 'harambee.' But he warned against collecting dirty, hot money that may damage the reputation of the party after the elections.

"Be very careful. Collect money from clean donors only. We also have to be open on how much has been donated. And how this money is spent must be made clear," he said.

Mr Kikwete said that before the Electoral Expenses Bill, there was a lot of noise about CCM acquiring money corruptly. "But once we announced the Bill, no-one seems to like it," he said.

He also insisted that there should be a clear distinction between a politician and a businessman. He recalled that during the Ujamaa era, politicians were forbidden to own even a house to rent.

Meanwhile, it was all green and yellow at the Mnazi Mmoja grounds in Dar es Salaam this morning as the ruling party, CCM, celebrated its 33rd birthday in grand style.

This came after a solidarity walk from the CCM sub-head office along Lumumba Street, through Morogoro Road and Bibi Titi Street to the ground led by CCM national chairman, Jakaya Kikwete who led thousands of party leaders and members into the grounds.

The procession that comprised of hundreds of people was led by a convoy of motorcycles and a brass band that played party tunes much to the delight of those participating in the walk.

 

[Waberoya]

- Mkuu ni wapi imesemwa kwamba Januari ni adviser wa Rais? hivi kweli humu ndani tunahitaji somo la tofauti ya President Adviser, na Pesident 's asisstant, inaonekana mara kwa mara hatuelewi maana yake, Adviser wa Rais anatambuliwa kikatiba na anaapsihwa na Rais kwa muijbu wa katiba ya jamhuri, lakini kazi kama ya Januari haihitaji hiyo na siyo kazi yake kumshauri anything, simply ni kwamba Januari sio mshauri wa Rais!

- Halafu jaribu kuwa muangalifu na jinsi unavyotumia maneno yako, ni nani amekwambia kwamba Rais wa sasa hatakiwi na kila mwananchi wa Tanzania? Hebu toa evidence japo kidogo tu kwamba wananchi wote wa Tanzania hawamtaki!

- Hapana unahitaji kuwa hayawani kufikiri kwamba mawazo yako wewe hayawani mmoja ndio mawazo ya wananchi wote, Januari ni assistant to the President, akitoka pale alipo sasa na kuomba kazi pengine anajiwakilisha kama aliwahi kuwa msaidizi wa Rais, as an insitituion na sio kama unavyofikiri na kuamini mkuu, kuna tofauti kubwa sana between kufanya kazi ofisi ya Rais, na kuwa mshauri wa Rais, kuyachanganya haya ndio uhayawani wenyewe!

Respect.

FMEs!

Those words are interelated kama JM ni msaidizi na anapewa amri hawezi aka-question/kushauri hata kama hicho anachoagizwa na rais is not OK, then we have a big problem, so by your words JM is working like robot, JK akimwambia fanya hivi anafanya! you can not convince me on that!

Note that, when I said you need to be crazy defending JK and his close people I did not spot you, thanks God my arrows penetrated deeply to your sorrow and mind thats why you revoked with the same force. I totally agree that I may be hawayani.

FMES, your the witness of what is going on in this country, even those people who claim to love JK they dont real love him except they have to, so that their food may be on the table. so you can say you need proof, well! even judges may request the proof of innocence and yet they end up imprisoning the innocent people!

My teacher once told me democracy is something that intelectual should be aware OF, if in the class of 20 people two people will say 2+2=4, and the other 18 say no, 2+2=6.If you will permit them to vote, guess what? those eighteen people will win! but the facts will still be there! you are old enough to know the facts.You are old enough to know mind manipulation of CCM toward her people, you are old enough to know that people are inured to difficult life. watu wa TAnzania wengi wameishajizoelea shida ni sehemu ya maisha yao, PLEASE dont take that as a stick to tell me that people love JK!!!

Resume??? I did not asked for resume! I asked for one single achievement as a leader or as president assistant that can convince people that he can be a good leader! I find my CV is far better that that, sijaona jambo la maendeleo la kuwapa matumaini kuwa anaweza. unaifahamu CV ya kikwete weye?? unaweza ku-compare na hiyo? kosa lile lile watu hawakutrack reckord ya Kikweta huko nyuma na kujua jamaa hana uwezo wa kuongoza leo hii ni rais! kafanya nini??

Yeye JM kuomba kazi popote kuwa alikuwa msaidizi wa rais wa Tz, ni aibu kwake. angekuwa ni mtu wa merit asingefanya kabisa hiyo kazi afadhali awe private sector kama dada yake!

The personal credibility being CCM member alone, is questionable. amepitishwa na nani kugombea hiyo post si na wana CCM? nani atampa nguvu ya kupiga kampeni? si CCM? is the same old lie tunaiona kwa akina Mwakyembe, kilango n.k. wanapendekezwa na watu ambao ni mafisadi halmashauri kuu yenu imejaa mafisadi leo hii unataka Makamba aonekane msafi!! what the heck is this??. Even if he is clean but he is prone to corrupt! jamani lazima tuwe serious na haya mambo njaa hizi zitatumaliza jamani!

kama wewe uko ikulu na hauna rekodi yoyote ya kuwa makamba kafanya nini kama msaidizi wa rais( unless kama hawaruhusiwi kufikiri) basi hafai!!

You know what FMES!

Nimeona mbwa ulaya wakivaa vizuri, wakilishwa, wakipelekwa hospitali, nimeona mbwa wakifanyiwa massage! na entertainment kibao! human kind and value is far more than any dog ever existed in this planet. Ukiwa na viongozi ambao wanawaza kula, kuvaa, kuangalia mpira, there is no any remarkable thing walichofanya how can you distinguish them with those dogs that I saw??

Sitaki Makamba awe victim wa viongozi wala historia ya baba yake, nataka wewe unipe kitu so and so kuwa amekifanya makamba alipofika ikulu! if you can not say this I am surely grouping him as an expected future dog sitaki niseme hivi wala kuwaza hivi

at a glance JK ameshika wizara ya nishati na matatizo ya Tanesco tangu miaka hiyo, mwaka 1990! leo ni 2010! we have the same problem with Tanesco , the same JK is not dead he is full alive and well as a president!!

nini amefanya? nikisema hana uwezo ninamuonea, then JM ndiyo msaidizi waofisi hii ambayo haina uwezo? au ndiyo siasa zile zile kuwa hajapata nafasi??

I will still question the merit of JM not based on being CCM member maana hilo halina jibu; nataka kujua kafanya nini leo atuaminishe ataweza kuongoza differently not like the his forefathers of CCM!

CV should reveal personal ability!

 

[William J. Malecela]

January Makamba ameanza kampeni za uchaguzi huko Bumbuli kabla ya muda wa kuanza kampeni kufika. Jana mwenyekiti wa CCM ametowa order kama ilivyo hapo chini. Nafiki Mzee Makamba inabidi aanza na kijana wake kumpa adhabu ya kukiuka agizo la chama kuanza kampeni kabla ya muda.

Just brainstorming... Kama Baba yako ameshindwa kupata ubunge wa Bumbuli mara mbili, mtoto ambae hajulikani huko Bumbuli atapata huo ubunge kweli hata kwa nguvu za fedha?

Wana Bumbuli should prove that hawadangayiki... so far the snab against January is an indication kwamba hawadanganyiki

- Evidence please!

Es!

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

Ninachosimamia hapa ni hoja yangu kwamba Januari ana haki zote kama raia wa Tanzania kugombea ubunge wa jimbo lolote la Tanzania bila kubaguliwa kwa sababu ya baba yake, wala kazi yake ya ukaribu na Rais. Na ninaamini kwamba ana uwezo wa kuongoza kwa sababu record yake iko wazi nimeiweka hapo nyuma na besides kuwepo kwake karibu sana na Rais, kunampa an edge ya uongozi hasa wa taifa kutokana kushudia kwake ishus muhimu za taifa zikiamuliwa na huko Ikulu kila siku ya Mungu.

NI kweli uwepo wake karibu na Raisi unampa uwezo wakuwa kiongozi.. lakini nidhani ungealizia hii sentensi.. naona kama haija maliziwa.. nadhani ungemaliza kwa kutumambia ungempa uwezo wa kuwa kiongozi Mzuri au kiongoZi Mbovu.. kwasababu with the current record ya President my President.. cjui atapata uwezo wakuwa kiongozi yupi????

Mimi nimejitahidi kufuatlia hii thread kwa mda mrefu kidogo..
I think watu kutokana na matatizo mengi na shinda nyingi we have been forced to snub viongozi wengi haswa ambao ni watoto wa viongozi(mi sipendi kujiweka katika hilo kundi namjaji mtu accord to his on merit lakini sito waona hawa watu wanao fanya ni wajinga wala wana wivu.. its practically natural wat they feel towards these viongozi.. wen u been experiencing wat wanachi wakawaida are experiencing in Tanzania.. u will more than snub those whom u seem to believe have been in the system whether under the wings or by being born within members of the system)

Thus being said.. ni haki ya kila mtanzania kugombania nafasi yoyote..iwe urahisi, ubunge, uwenyekiti wa serikali za mitaa as long as unasifa zote zinazo hitaji kugombea nafasi hiyo…
This is a fact whether we like it or not…
I think we were supposed eithr to close the thread and start nyingine au tumalize mabisahno ya kudiscuss kama JM anahaki ya kukombea or not.. sasa tujadili what exactly does bring on the table???
YEYE JM ANATOFAUTI GANI NA VIONGOZI WENGINE WOTE VIJANA NA WAZEE.. YEYEY KAMA MSOMI HAIMFANYI NIMKUBALI KAMA ATAKUWA NA TOFAUTI KWABABU WAMEKUJA VIONGOZI WENGI WASOMI VIJANA LAKINI WOTE WAMEBAKIA KUWA KAMA WAZEE WAO WALIOKUWA HAPO NYUMA..

KAMA MTU UNAMJAJI UZURI KWA UZURI WA MTU ANAYE HANG NAYE.. KWANINI TUSI MJAJI UBAYA KWA AJILI YA UBAYA WA MTU WA MTU WANAYE HANG NAYE..

Mfano JM angekuwa Marekani akawa ana hang around(no disrespect) Obama tungesama '' muone atakuwa kiongozi mzuri, kutokana mkuwa katka wings za Obama, mtu ambaye he is such a good leader ambaye mfano kwa watu''
Sasa KWANINI TUSITOEE MFANO HUO HUO KWA SASA AMBAPO HE HAS BEEN HANGING AROUND RAISI KIKWETE.. WITH THE RECORD YA MY PRESIDENT (WE all wat kind of a leader he is… not a good example for somebody to mention him as his Mentor) WHY CANT I SAY I SEE MR.J MAKAMBA.. NOT ON THE RIGHT TRUCK…

Januari amesoma sana kwa umri alionao, na kazi zake za kila siku, licha ya kutokea kwenye familia ya uongozi wa taifa, inatosha sana kumfanya akawa na uwezo mkubwa sana kiuongozi na hasa the fact kwamba ameamua kuachana

From comment yako hapo juu Mkuu.. wat nimekuelewa ni JM kama mtu yoyote anwasifu mwingi na anastrenght nyingi ambazo zinamfanya awe kiongozi mzuri...
na kati ya hizo
1. ni amesoma sana.. which is True 100% nakuunga mkono
2. ametokea familia ya uongozi wa taifa.. (which i think is wat u tried to say i think .. all though nt straight)
ila mm hapo ndo ningeomba tupingane na wewe mkuu.. kwa matazamo wangu.. kutoka kwake katika familia ya uongozi wa taifa, uongozi ambayo umekuwa shadowed na failure kwa mda mrefu.. na pia i think ametokea kwenye familia ya uongozi ambao ni wana CCM kwahiyo si vinaya kusema amekuwa raised under the flag of CCM (which we all have been if am not mistaken bt him being nourished with their policies) outcome zake mbili
a). anaweza kuwa kiongozi wambaye ataleta change kwakuwa ameona mengi ya CCM na si mazuri hivyo atataka kuffanya mabadiliko
b)anaweza kuja kuturn out kuwa kioongozi hopeless kabisa kwasababu amekuwa kwenye system ambayo ni shady.. hovyo inawezekana yeye akawa yuko shaped na system kuona kwamba its ok the way thingz are going..
ila i will prefer to base on the second outcome yake.. kwsabu history inanifundisah hivyo.. kwamba kairibia watu wote wenye history yake kama yeye wote wote wamekuwa kama viongozi wengine kabisa waliopita.. kama yule mtu aliyesema JM=kama viongozi wengine

In general kama wanachama wote wa CCM ni failures, maana yake ni moja tu kwamba wananchi wa Tanzania waliowapa uongozi for the last 47 years ndio the worst failures in the world, hizi sweeping statements za ku-generalize watu wote kwa sababu ya makosa ya wachache huwa ni empty thinking na haziwezi kutuletea maendeleo wala mabadiliko, I mean Januari hawezi kuwa judged kwa kutumia CCM's perfomance as chama, that is very unfair ni sawa na kuesma wewe na mimi hatuwezi kuongoza maana tumekuwa part ya wananchi wanaoichagua CCM kila mwaka kuongoza taifa, does that make a sense to you?

From my understanding JM can be judged and we have all right to judge him on the performance of CCm.. based on the fact that.. yeye akienda kugombea si anaenda kama mgombea wa CCM hivyo kwanini tusimjaji kwakutumia performance za CCM.. lazima tumuulize yeye kama kiongozi kijana ambaye ameenda kusoma Marekani ambao Politics yake is the best duniani.. hw will be different na viongozi wengine wa CCM na mostly predecessors wake na mantors wake(I think kikwete must be one of his mentors.. am jus presuming not sure. On the account Him being under his wings)…

 

[Swahilian]

Suala la yeye kugombea si tatizo na ni haki ya mtanzania yeyote. Lakini ni lazima tujiulize kwanini ni yeye na kipi kinamfanya awe yeye tu, basi ni lazima tujue lipi tatizo au kosa la siye kutokua au kuchagua watu kama yeye na kipi ni kikwazo chetu kufikia hapo! Lazima tujipange na tujue ili tuweze kushinda hizi hali ambazo zinatuwewesesha na kubaki tukiangalia majina au wao kutumia majina,wadhifa au cheo kuendelea kutunyanyasa. Tujipange kwa yote ili tusilaumu au kulaumiana.

 

[William J. Malecela]

Those words are interelated kama JM ni msaidizi na anapewa amri hawezi aka-question/kushauri hata kama hicho anachoagizwa na rais is not OK, then we have a big problem, so by your words JM is working like robot, JK akimwambia fanya hivi anafanya! you can not convince me on that!

- Ni wapi nimesema kwamba Januari ni robot? au anything of that nature? Ni kama vile ambavyo na wewe huwezi kuni-concvince kwamba Januari ni mshauri wa Rais on anything, maana wahsauri wote wa Rais wanafahamika tena na katiba ya jamhuri.

Note that, when I said you need to be crazy defending JK and his close people I did not spot you, thanks God my arrows penetrated deeply to your sorrow and mind thats why you revoked with the same force. I totally agree that I may be hawayani.

- Suuure! kama na mimi nilivyosema kuhusu uhayawani did I mentioned you, likewise inaonekana yamekuingia ndio maana you are even mentioning it otherwise, why mentioning something of no value to you?

FMES, your the witness of what is going on in this country, even those people who claim to love JK they dont real love him except they have to, so that their food may be on the table. so you can say you need proof, well! even judges may request the proof of innocence and yet they end up imprisoning the innocent people!

- Unasema 80% ya wananchi waliompigia kura ni kwa sababu ya ku-have food on their table? I am reading you right au?

My teacher once told me democracy is something that intelectual should be aware OF, if in the class of 20 people two people will say 2+2=4, and the other 18 say no, 2+2=6.If you will permit them to vote, guess what? those eighteen people will win! but the facts will still be there! you are old enough to know the facts.You are old enough to know mind manipulation of CCM toward her people, you are old enough to know that people are inured to difficult life. watu wa TAnzania wengi wameishajizoelea shida ni sehemu ya maisha yao, PLEASE dont take that as a stick to tell me that people love JK!!!

- Sorry that your teacher did not teach you about the role of politics in democracy, that those CCM's manipulations are done legally under the name of politics and it is okay with democracy, infact by definition that is democracy if you will!

- Well wa-Tanzania wameshajizoelea shida, now what this has anything to do na Januari kutafuta ubunge? Are you implying kwamba Januari is the reson for that?

Resume??? I did not asked for resume! I asked for one single achievement as a leader or as president assistant that can convince people that he can be a good leader! I find my CV is far better that that, sijaona jambo la maendeleo la kuwapa matumaini kuwa anaweza. unaifahamu CV ya kikwete weye?? unaweza ku-compare na hiyo? kosa lile lile watu hawakutrack reckord ya Kikweta huko nyuma na kujua jamaa hana uwezo wa kuongoza leo hii ni rais! kafanya nini??

- What is a good leader to you? na kwa maoni yako katika Tanzania ya leo nani ni a good leader? Halafu unaweza kutuonyesha kabla ya huyo utakayemtaja kuwa a good leader kabla ya kua a leader aliyoyafanya? Unafikiri what it takes kwa one kuwa a good mbunge?

Yeye JM kuomba kazi popote kuwa alikuwa msaidizi wa rais wa Tz, ni aibu kwake. angekuwa ni mtu wa merit asingefanya kabisa hiyo kazi afadhali awe private sector kama dada yake!

- Sasa hawa kina Mama Migiro, waliowahi kuwa wasaidizi wa Rais wa sasa, mbona wanapeta huko majuu na wanaheshimika kwa kazi zao huko, I mean what merit are talking about? What private sector unazozisema hizi za Rostam? Mbona mkuu unachanganya mambo mengi sana katika ishu ambayo hahihusiki?

The personal credibility being CCM member alone, is questionable.

- So is the credibility of all Tanzanians, who for the last 47 years have continuously elected CCM to lead them!

amepitishwa na nani kugombea hiyo post si na wana CCM?

- amepitishwa lini na wapi huko alikopitishwa?

nani atampa nguvu ya kupiga kampeni? si CCM? is the same old lie tunaiona kwa akina Mwakyembe, kilango n.k. wanapendekezwa na watu ambao ni mafisadi halmashauri kuu yenu imejaa mafisadi leo hii unataka Makamba aonekane msafi!! what the heck is this??. Even if he is clean but he is prone to corrupt! jamani lazima tuwe serious na haya mambo njaa hizi zitatumaliza jamani!
kama wewe uko ikulu na hauna rekodi yoyote ya kuwa makamba kafanya nini kama msaidizi wa rais( unless kama hawaruhusiwi kufikiri) basi hafai!!

- Too low kwa mimi kujibu!

You know what FMES!

Nimeona mbwa ulaya wakivaa vizuri, wakilishwa, wakipelekwa hospitali, nimeona mbwa wakifanyiwa massage! na entertainment kibao! human kind and value is far more than any dog ever existed in this planet. Ukiwa na viongozi ambao wanawaza kula, kuvaa, kuangalia mpira, there is no any remarkable thing walichofanya how can you distinguish them with those dogs that I saw??

- Wewe umeifanyia nini Tanzania? Sasa does that make you a dog? Kumbe wewe ni mbwa no wonder we have a problem here!

Sitaki Makamba awe victim wa viongozi wala historia ya baba yake, nataka wewe unipe kitu so and so kuwa amekifanya makamba alipofika ikulu! if you can not say this I am surely grouping him as an expected future dog sitaki niseme hivi wala kuwaza hivi

- Kwani mkuu wewe ni nani hasa?

at a glance JK ameshika wizara ya nishati na matatizo ya Tanesco tangu miaka hiyo, mwaka 1990! leo ni 2010! we have the same problem with Tanesco , the same JK is not dead he is full alive and well as a president!!
nini amefanya? nikisema hana uwezo ninamuonea, then JM ndiyo msaidizi waofisi hii ambayo haina uwezo? au ndiyo siasa zile zile kuwa hajapata nafasi??

- The ishu ni Januari sio JK, unaweza kufungua thread ya Jk na Tanesco na the rest of the story, it has nothing to do na Januari as msaidizi wa Rais as his job!

I will still question the merit of JM not based on being CCM member maana hilo halina jibu; nataka kujua kafanya nini leo atuaminishe ataweza kuongoza differently not like the his forefathers of CCM!
CV should reveal personal ability!

- Sasa uende huko Bumbul umuulize haya maswali Januari, mimi ninachojadili hapa ni haki yake ya kugombea na kujinadi as Januari na his accomplishments as individual, CCM na whatever in the past ni irrelevant to the ishu ya yeye kugombea ubunge kama anataka,

- CV unasema ndio inayotakiwa ksuema kuhusu personal ability ya uongozi wa mtu, sasa vipi kuhusu Cv ya Chenge na uwezo wake wa uongozi?

Es!

 

[William J. Malecela]

NI kweli uwepo wake karibu na Raisi unampa uwezo wakuwa kiongozi.. lakini nidhani ungealizia hii sentensi.. naona kama haija maliziwa.. nadhani ungemaliza kwa kutumambia ungempa uwezo wa kuwa kiongozi Mzuri au kiongoZi Mbovu.. kwasababu with the current record ya President my President.. cjui atapata uwezo wakuwa kiongozi yupi????

- Sawa sawa, point nzuri sana!

Mimi nimejitahidi kufuatlia hii thread kwa mda mrefu kidogo..
I think watu kutokana na matatizo mengi na shinda nyingi we have been forced to snub viongozi wengi haswa ambao ni watoto wa viongozi(mi sipendi kujiweka katika hilo kundi namjaji mtu accord to his on merit lakini sito waona hawa watu wanao fanya ni wajinga wala wana wivu.. its practically natural wat they feel towards these viongozi.. wen u been experiencing wat wanachi wakawaida are experiencing in Tanzania.. u will more than snub those whom u seem to believe have been in the system whether under the wings or by being born within members of the system)

- Hapana kama that is a point then tunahitaji kuwa-snub hata watoto wa masikini wanaotaka uongozi, maaan sio viongozi wote tulionao ni watoto wa viongozi.

Thus being said.. ni haki ya kila mtanzania kugombania nafasi yoyote..iwe urahisi, ubunge, uwenyekiti wa serikali za mitaa as long as unasifa zote zinazo hitaji kugombea nafasi hiyo…This is a fact whether we like it or not…
I think we were supposed eithr to close the thread and start nyingine au tumalize mabisahno ya kudiscuss kama JM anahaki ya kukombea or not.. sasa tujadili what exactly does bring on the table???
YEYE JM ANATOFAUTI GANI NA VIONGOZI WENGINE WOTE VIJANA NA WAZEE.. YEYEY KAMA MSOMI HAIMFANYI NIMKUBALI KAMA ATAKUWA NA TOFAUTI KWABABU WAMEKUJA VIONGOZI WENGI WASOMI VIJANA LAKINI WOTE WAMEBAKIA KUWA KAMA WAZEE WAO WALIOKUWA HAPO NYUMA..

- Sawa sawa, point nzuri sana!

KAMA MTU UNAMJAJI UZURI KWA UZURI WA MTU ANAYE HANG NAYE.. KWANINI TUSI MJAJI UBAYA KWA AJILI YA UBAYA WA MTU WA MTU WANAYE HANG NAYE..Mfano JM angekuwa Marekani akawa ana hang around(no disrespect) Obama tungesama '' muone atakuwa kiongozi mzuri, kutokana mkuwa katka wings za Obama, mtu ambaye he is such a good leader ambaye mfano kwa watu''

- Hapana, Obama sio Rais mzuri sana kwa all Americans, ndio maana ameshindwa kampeni za Gavana wa West Viriginia, New Jersey na Boston, uzuri na ubaya wa Rais aliyechaguliwa na wananchi kwa kutumia demokrasia kama yetu na ya US, inategemea unaongea na nani ndio maana tunasema, ni muhimu kutenganisha President as a person na Presdient as an instituion!

Sasa KWANINI TUSITOEE MFANO HUO HUO KWA SASA AMBAPO HE HAS BEEN HANGING AROUND RAISI KIKWETE.. WITH THE RECORD YA MY PRESIDENT (WE all wat kind of a leader he is… not a good example for somebody to mention him as his Mentor) WHY CANT I SAY I SEE MR.J MAKAMBA.. NOT ON THE RIGHT TRUCK…

- Again hii sio standard ya kum-judge our President, kwa sababu ni majuzi tu balozi wa US amesifia sana uongozi wake, kumbuka huyu balozi anamuwakilisha the very Obama!

From comment yako hapo juu Mkuu.. wat nimekuelewa ni JM kama mtu yoyote anwasifu mwingi na anastrenght nyingi ambazo zinamfanya awe kiongozi mzuri...
na kati ya hizo
1. ni amesoma sana.. which is True 100% nakuunga mkono
2. ametokea familia ya uongozi wa taifa.. (which i think is wat u tried to say i think .. all though nt straight)
ila mm hapo ndo ningeomba tupingane na wewe mkuu.. kwa matazamo wangu.. kutoka kwake katika familia ya uongozi wa taifa, uongozi ambayo umekuwa shadowed na failure kwa mda mrefu.. na pia i think ametokea kwenye familia ya uongozi ambao ni wana CCM kwahiyo si vinaya kusema amekuwa raised under the flag of CCM (which we all have been if am not mistaken bt him being nourished with their policies) outcome zake mbili
a). anaweza kuwa kiongozi wambaye ataleta change kwakuwa ameona mengi ya CCM na si mazuri hivyo atataka kuffanya mabadiliko
b)anaweza kuja kuturn out kuwa kioongozi hopeless kabisa kwasababu amekuwa kwenye system ambayo ni shady.. hovyo inawezekana yeye akawa yuko shaped na system kuona kwamba its ok the way thingz are going..
ila i will prefer to base on the second outcome yake.. kwsabu history inanifundisah hivyo.. kwamba kairibia watu wote wenye history yake kama yeye wote wote wamekuwa kama viongozi wengine kabisa waliopita.. kama yule mtu aliyesema JM=kama viongozi wengine

- Wewe mkuu una history inayokufundisha kwamba, mtoto wa kiongozi siku zote hufanya kama ya uongozi wa baba yake, I mean Tanzania ya sasa tunaongozwa na watoto wa viongozi wa zamani au? I do not get it na hii theory!

From my understanding JM can be judged and we have all right to judge him on the performance of CCm.. based on the fact that.. yeye akienda kugombea si anaenda kama mgombea wa CCM hivyo kwanini tusimjaji kwakutumia performance za CCM.. lazima tumuulize yeye kama kiongozi kijana ambaye ameenda kusoma Marekani ambao Politics yake is the best duniani.. hw will be different na viongozi wengine wa CCM na mostly predecessors wake na mantors wake(I think kikwete must be one of his mentors.. am jus presuming not sure. On the account Him being under his wings)…

- Kwanza hajaenda kugombea na hatujui kama akiamua kugombea atagombea kwa chama gani? Perfomance ya chama I am lost sasa on that merit ni chama gani Tanzania ya sasa ndio role model wa uongozi bora?

Respect.

FMEs!

 

[William J. Malecela]

Suala la yeye kugombea si tatizo na ni haki ya mtanzania yeyote. Lakini ni lazima tujiulize kwanini ni yeye na kipi kinamfanya awe yeye tu, basi ni lazima tujue lipi tatizo au kosa la siye kutokua au kuchagua watu kama yeye na kipi ni kikwazo chetu kufikia hapo! Lazima tujipange na tujue ili tuweze kushinda hizi hali ambazo zinatuwewesesha na kubaki tukiangalia majina au wao kutumia majina,wadhifa au cheo kuendelea kutunyanyasa. Tujipange kwa yote ili tusilaumu au kulaumiana.

- Mkuu ni haki yake Januari kugombea anything na ni haki ya wananchi kutomchagua au kumchagua, hayo mengine ni simply out of the ishu!

Es!

 

[Waberoya]

- Ni wapi nimesema kwamba Januari ni robot? au anything of that nature? Ni kama vile ambavyo na wewe huwezi kuni-concvince kwamba Januari ni mshauri wa Rais on anything, maana wahsauri wote wa Rais wanafahamika tena na katiba ya jamhuri.



- Suuure! kama na mimi nilivyosema kuhusu uhayawani did I mentioned you, likewise inaonekana yamekuingia ndio maana you are even mentioning it otherwise, why mentioning something of no value to you?



- Unasema 80% ya wananchi waliompigia kura ni kwa sababu ya ku-have food on their table? I am reading you right au?



- Sorry that your teacher did not teach you about the role of politics in democracy, that those CCM's manipulations are done legally under the name of politics and it is okay with democracy, infact by definition that is democracy if you will!

- Well wa-Tanzania wameshajizoelea shida, now what this has anything to do na Januari kutafuta ubunge? Are you implying kwamba Januari is the reson for that?



- What is a good leader to you? na kwa maoni yako katika Tanzania ya leo nani ni a good leader? Halafu unaweza kutuonyesha kabla ya huyo utakayemtaja kuwa a good leader kabla ya kua a leader aliyoyafanya? Unafikiri what it takes kwa one kuwa a good mbunge?



- Sasa hawa kina Mama Migiro, waliowahi kuwa wasaidizi wa Rais wa sasa, mbona wanapeta huko majuu na wanaheshimika kwa kazi zao huko, I mean what merit are talking about? What private sector unazozisema hizi za Rostam? Mbona mkuu unachanganya mambo mengi sana katika ishu ambayo hahihusiki?



- So is the credibility of all Tanzanians, who for the last 47 years have continuously elected CCM to lead them!



- amepitishwa lini na wapi huko alikopitishwa?


- Too low kwa mimi kujibu!



- Wewe umeifanyia nini Tanzania? Sasa does that make you a dog? Kumbe wewe ni mbwa no wonder we have a problem here!



- Kwani mkuu wewe ni nani hasa?



- The ishu ni Januari sio JK, unaweza kufungua thread ya Jk na Tanesco na the rest of the story, it has nothing to do na Januari as msaidizi wa Rais as his job!



- Sasa uende huko Bumbul umuulize haya maswali Januari, mimi ninachojadili hapa ni haki yake ya kugombea na kujinadi as Januari na his accomplishments as individual, CCM na whatever in the past ni irrelevant to the ishu ya yeye kugombea ubunge kama anataka,

- CV unasema ndio inayotakiwa ksuema kuhusu personal ability ya uongozi wa mtu, sasa vipi kuhusu Cv ya Chenge na uwezo wake wa uongozi?

Es!

mzee unapenda sana kutwist? refer those red bolded

1. I have never mentioned 80% I am mentioning people like you!

2. So under the name politics we can do anything! can you re-think this mkuu!

3. In your words currently we dont have a leaders? does leadership starts being MP? is not in small community?

4. watu wakipeta majuu baada ya kutokea ikulu kwako wewe ni sign ya maendeleo? are you talking individualism or for public interest? na kwanini humu ndani Migiro hakuonekana anafanya kazi vizuri? does that not alarming you?

5. Kwako wewe kuwa ' too low kujibu' kunatokana na wewe kujiona huko matawi ya juu! thats why yiou cant jibu hoja ya mtu mjinga kama mimi, this explains alot-dharau mkuu!

6. I have designed 14 standing commercial building structures (each of more than 6 floors) in Tanzania DSM with my name on it as designer , at least I can walk majestically that I have something for this very society. what about you and JK and you now a friend Makamba?

7. Wow! you have posted his CV here does that not make you his spokesman??

why your 'tone of writing' shows as if you are defending?? what makes you to defend youself like this!!!

 

[Waberoya]

- Again hii sio standard ya kum-judge our President, kwa sababu ni majuzi tu balozi wa US amesifia sana uongozi wake, kumbuka huyu balozi anamuwakilisha the very Obama!



Respect.

FMEs!

You real want to be respected??

Yaani FMES unataka kusema USA wakimsifia JK basi ni kiongozi mzuri?

 

[William J. Malecela]

mzee unapenda sana kutwist? refer those red bolded 1. I have never mentioned 80% I am mentioning people like you!2. So under the name politics we can do anything! can you re-think this mkuu!

- Hayo ni yako bro, na ni too low kwa mimi kujibu haya! Halafu kuhusu politics elewa maana ya legally katika democracy!

3. In your words currently we dont have a leaders? does leadership starts being MP? is not in small community?

- Now what this has to do na Januari kugombea ubunge?

4. watu wakipeta majuu baada ya kutokea ikulu kwako wewe ni sign ya maendeleo? are you talking individualism or for public interest? na kwanini humu ndani Migiro hakuonekana anafanya kazi vizuri? does that not alarming you?

- Mkuu you know this is wasting of my time unasema nini? What this has anything to do na Januari kugombea ubunge?

5. Kwako wewe kuwa ' too low kujibu' kunatokana na wewe kujiona huko matawi ya juu! thats why yiou cant jibu hoja ya mtu mjinga kama mimi, this explains alot-dharau mkuu!

6. I have designed 14 standing commercial building structures (each of more than 6 floors) in Tanzania DSM with my name on it as designer , at least I can walk majestically that I have something for this very society. what about you and JK and you now a friend Makamba?
7. Wow! you have posted his CV here does that not make you his spokesman?? why your 'tone of writing' shows as if you are defending?? what makes you to defend youself like this!!![/quote

- Thanks mkuu, good debate naona hakuna jipya I have to go!

Es!

 

[William J. Malecela]

You real want to be respected??

Yaani FMES unataka kusema USA wakimsifia JK basi ni kiongozi mzuri?

- Nimekuonyesha tofauti ya maoni ya watu kuhusu Rais na kwamba sio kwamba wewe ukimpenda Rais flani basi na wengine wote wanampenda, au kama humpendi na wengine hawampendi,

- Otherwise sihitaji your respect can we settle on that!

Es!

 

[Selemani]

Those words are interelated kama JM ni msaidizi na anapewa amri hawezi aka-question/kushauri hata kama hicho anachoagizwa na rais is not OK, then we have a big problem, so by your words JM is working like robot, JK akimwambia fanya hivi anafanya! you can not convince me on that!

Note that, when I said you need to be crazy defending JK and his close people I did not spot you, thanks God my arrows penetrated deeply to your sorrow and mind thats why you revoked with the same force. I totally agree that I may be hawayani.

FMES, your the witness of what is going on in this country, even those people who claim to love JK they dont real love him except they have to, so that their food may be on the table. so you can say you need proof, well! even judges may request the proof of innocence and yet they end up imprisoning the innocent people!

My teacher once told me democracy is something that intelectual should be aware OF, if in the class of 20 people two people will say 2+2=4, and the other 18 say no, 2+2=6.If you will permit them to vote, guess what? those eighteen people will win! but the facts will still be there! you are old enough to know the facts.You are old enough to know mind manipulation of CCM toward her people, you are old enough to know that people are inured to difficult life. watu wa TAnzania wengi wameishajizoelea shida ni sehemu ya maisha yao, PLEASE dont take that as a stick to tell me that people love JK!!!

Resume??? I did not asked for resume! I asked for one single achievement as a leader or as president assistant that can convince people that he can be a good leader! I find my CV is far better that that, sijaona jambo la maendeleo la kuwapa matumaini kuwa anaweza. unaifahamu CV ya kikwete weye?? unaweza ku-compare na hiyo? kosa lile lile watu hawakutrack reckord ya Kikweta huko nyuma na kujua jamaa hana uwezo wa kuongoza leo hii ni rais! kafanya nini??

Yeye JM kuomba kazi popote kuwa alikuwa msaidizi wa rais wa Tz, ni aibu kwake. angekuwa ni mtu wa merit asingefanya kabisa hiyo kazi afadhali awe private sector kama dada yake!

The personal credibility being CCM member alone, is questionable. amepitishwa na nani kugombea hiyo post si na wana CCM? nani atampa nguvu ya kupiga kampeni? si CCM? is the same old lie tunaiona kwa akina Mwakyembe, kilango n.k. wanapendekezwa na watu ambao ni mafisadi halmashauri kuu yenu imejaa mafisadi leo hii unataka Makamba aonekane msafi!! what the heck is this??. Even if he is clean but he is prone to corrupt! jamani lazima tuwe serious na haya mambo njaa hizi zitatumaliza jamani!

kama wewe uko ikulu na hauna rekodi yoyote ya kuwa makamba kafanya nini kama msaidizi wa rais( unless kama hawaruhusiwi kufikiri) basi hafai!!

You know what FMES!

Nimeona mbwa ulaya wakivaa vizuri, wakilishwa, wakipelekwa hospitali, nimeona mbwa wakifanyiwa massage! na entertainment kibao! human kind and value is far more than any dog ever existed in this planet. Ukiwa na viongozi ambao wanawaza kula, kuvaa, kuangalia mpira, there is no any remarkable thing walichofanya how can you distinguish them with those dogs that I saw??

Sitaki Makamba awe victim wa viongozi wala historia ya baba yake, nataka wewe unipe kitu so and so kuwa amekifanya makamba alipofika ikulu! if you can not say this I am surely grouping him as an expected future dog sitaki niseme hivi wala kuwaza hivi

at a glance JK ameshika wizara ya nishati na matatizo ya Tanesco tangu miaka hiyo, mwaka 1990! leo ni 2010! we have the same problem with Tanesco , the same JK is not dead he is full alive and well as a president!!

nini amefanya? nikisema hana uwezo ninamuonea, then JM ndiyo msaidizi waofisi hii ambayo haina uwezo? au ndiyo siasa zile zile kuwa hajapata nafasi??

I will still question the merit of JM not based on being CCM member maana hilo halina jibu; nataka kujua kafanya nini leo atuaminishe ataweza kuongoza differently not like the his forefathers of CCM!

CV should reveal personal ability!

Very interesting observation kaka. First, I would like to know when was the last time u were in Tanzania--because in this forum people are comparing maisha yao ya ughaibuni and hoping things nyumbani will change and be just like in US, or Europe. Changes do not come from adopting populist tone (Ufisadi) , and bashing of incumbents (CCM). Mabadiliko ya kiuchumi will come if people will challenge themselves to propose and implement workable solutions. And if these serious people think they have ability to bring about maendeleo, then katiba ya nchi has backed them to run for ubunge, udiwani, umeya, uraisi or whatever. Unlike many of us who are just TALKING about changing the country, the likes of January Makamba are actually DOING it by running for the office. If you disagree with them that is fine, but at least respect them for actually trying to do something.

Think about this. In a bunge that has Stanley Kavela, Salim Khalfan, James Lembeli, Luhaga Mpina etc whose highest education are advanced diploma (meaning hata F6 hawakufaulu), as a matter of fact Stan Kavela kaishia Form 4. Adding people like January Makamba bungeni will be a gain for the country. He is young, exposed, and educated. It should be a good thing, I mean- I don't get the bashing you guys are leveling towards this Makamba kid. With a bunge that has a lot of incompetent people, and nobody is complaining. We now about to add the kid who is educated in Diplomacy, a close aide to the president and saw how the country is governed (or not governed) for five years (According to his interview) and you guys are totally against him. It is so silly! It does not make any sense. And your argument that since he has been a part of incompetent Kikwete's government then he has no credibility to run for ubunge is just flawed. Joseph Stiglitz was a chief economist at World Bank when they implemented dubious reforms on developing countries, Rober McNamara was defense secretary during Vietnam's war, Nyerere failed us with Ujamaa. These are brilliant people that have been a part of failed endeavors and still remained brilliant. I'm not comparing January to them. The worthy of experience doesn't change if it is a negative or positive one. As long as one has learn from it.

We need sustainable economic growth, and visionary leaders can accomplish that. Let us find them, and give them our support. People like Zitto etc.

PS: Bongo ya kwenye magazeti, na picha za michuzi, is not the same as the real bongo. If you want perspectives kuhusu bongo, panda ndege ukaicheki mwenyewe.

 

[William J. Malecela]

Very interesting observation kaka. First, I would like to know when was the last time u were in Tanzania--because in this forum people are comparing maisha yao ya ughaibuni and hoping things nyumbani will change and be just like in US, or Europe. Changes do not come from adopting populist tone (Ufisadi) , and bashing of incumbents (CCM). Mabadiliko ya kiuchumi will come if people will challenge themselves to propose and implement workable solutions. And if these serious people think they have ability to bring about maendeleo, then katiba ya nchi has backed them to run for ubunge, udiwani, umeya, uraisi or whatever. Unlike many of us who are just TALKING about changing the country, the likes of January Makamba are actually DOING it by running for the office. If you disagree with them that is fine, but at least respect them for actually trying to do something.

Think about this. In a bunge that has Stanley Kavela, Salim Khalfan, James Lembeli, Luhaga Mpina etc whose highest education are advanced diploma (meaning hata F6 hawakufaulu), as a matter of fact Stan Kavela kaishia Form 4. Adding people like January Makamba bungeni will be a gain for the country. He is young, exposed, and educated. It should be a good thing, I mean- I don't get the bashing you guys are leveling towards this Makamba kid. With a bunge that has a lot of incompetent people, and nobody is complaining. We now about to add the kid who is educated in Diplomacy, a close aide to the president and saw how the country is governed (or not governed) for five years (According to his interview) and you guys are totally against him. It is so silly! It does not make any sense. And your argument that since he has been a part of incompetent Kikwete's government then he has no credibility to run for ubunge is just flawed. Joseph Stiglitz was a chief economist at World Bank when they implemented dubious reforms on developing countries, Rober McNamara was defense secretary during Vietnam's war, Nyerere failed us with Ujamaa. These are brilliant people that have been a part of failed endeavors and still remained brilliant. I'm not comparing January to them. The worthy of experience doesn't change if it is a negative or positive one. As long as one has learn from it.

We need sustainable economic growth, and visionary leaders can accomplish that. Let us find them, and give them our support. People like Zitto etc.

PS: Bongo ya kwenye magazeti, na picha za michuzi, is not the same as the real bongo. If you want perspectives kuhusu bongo, panda ndege ukaicheki mwenyewe.

- Selemani agaahhhgggrrrrr! I looove it, saafi sana mkuu! Heshima mbele sana, maana wewe kama mimi tunatetea the principle reagardless ya nani anagombea au hagombei! Januari is not an ishu hapa, the ishu ni vijana wenye uwezo wa kusimama na kuhesabiwa!

Respect.

FMEs!

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

- Hapana kama that is a point then tunahitaji kuwa-snub hata watoto wa masikini wanaotaka uongozi, maaan sio viongozi wote tulionao ni watoto wa viongozi.

well cna uhakiaka na hili hivyo i might be forced to either agree with u au to stay neautral for the time being.. mpaka hapo nitakapo fanya homework yangu vizuri
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- Hapana, Obama sio Rais mzuri sana kwa all Americans, ndio maana ameshindwa kampeni za Gavana wa West Viriginia, New Jersey na Boston, uzuri na ubaya wa Rais aliyechaguliwa na wananchi kwa kutumia demokrasia kama yetu na ya US, inategemea unaongea na nani ndio maana tunasema, ni muhimu kutenganisha President as a person na Presdient as an instituion!



- Again hii sio standard ya kum-judge our President, kwa sababu ni majuzi tu balozi wa US amesifia sana uongozi wake, kumbuka huyu balozi anamuwakilisha the very Obama!

- Wewe mkuu una history inayokufundisha kwamba, mtoto wa kiongozi siku zote hufanya kama ya uongozi wa baba yake, I mean Tanzania ya sasa tunaongozwa na watoto wa viongozi wa zamani au? I do not get it na hii theory! [/QUOTE]

well maybe i used the wrong word(History) let me use neno kumbukumbu.. sasa kumbumkubu yangu if it serves me better.. naona viongozi wengi wa sasa hv ni from familia za viongozi wa zamini.. either direct children au related to ...... namely Mwinyi,Karume, na wengine... ambao wameonesha kuwa kama like thier predecessors....
na kuhusu mtoto kufanya ya baba yake.. i think ni possibility kubwa mtoto kuwa influenced na baba yake.. so inturn kama ni kiongozi he might tend to live his father's legacy.. au akajikuta yuko influenced na his father's ideologies and principle.. ALTHOUGH its not a must they are also so many that act on thier own impulse.. following tier own principles..

[/QUOTE]

- Kwanza hajaenda kugombea na hatujui kama akiamua kugombea atagombea kwa chama gani? Perfomance ya chama I am lost sasa on that merit ni chama gani Tanzania ya sasa ndio role model wa uongozi bora?

Respect.[/QUOTE]
well then i thot anenda kugombea because thats the impression i got from all this mjadala.. kama hatukosure then i have no comment on it
FMEs![/QUOTE]

nakuhusu Kikwete kusifiwia na Marekani au balozi wake does not make him a good leader.. Kiongozi mzuri au anayee faa husimama sio kwa ajili ya sifa anazopewa na watu kwa mdomo bali kwa matendo yake aliyofanya.. so for any man with common sense be it Obama himself or Kikwete.. all know that Kikwete sio kiongozi mzuri na anyaefaa.. hata hafai kurudi kwenye uongozi and mostly KAZI YA URAISI IMEMSHINDA BT HE CANT ADMIT THAT.... Wat ever mareakani is doing by kumsifia its simply politics.. strengthening the ties na protecting their interest.. (well went out of topic the topic wa inshu ya JM)

Na kuhusu Obama.. sikatai not all Americans accept that he is a good leader and also not all americans accept that he is a bad leader.. he is a good leader to most some(if am not mistaken) recent polls show that wengi still have trust in him compare to those who do not have trust in him and his Administration(correct if am wrong).. i think he is jus not getting work done.. he has such good plans and proposals bt its jus not working out for him.. he cannot get the job done(raising job rates,uchumi kuuinua,dealing with Iran,national security,health care etc) so to me he is still a good leader na mfano.. and a person i will vote for another term if he was a tanzanian or i was an american..(once again i had to go out of topic kukuetetea point)

 

[Bao3]

Naomba katika kujadili hii hoja tumjadili January kama kama January.Ni wapi imeandikwa ktk katiba kwamba Baba au mama akiwa ktk madaraka basi haki ya mtoto katika kuchagua ama kuchaguliwa inakua deprived off?

Let's discuss him as a candidate na si ku-base kwamba kazaliwa na nani...Kama ni mtu anaweza kufanya mambo makubwa katika uwakilishi ni kwa nini tumnyime uongozi?

Suala january anweza kufanya nini na si ni mtoto wa nani,sasa tunaweza kuendelea na mjadala

Makamba kamwingiza January kwenye system, na January pia atamwingiza mwanae kwenye system kisha atabaki humo. Wengine wote watabaki kuwa waongozwa for life na wengine waongoza for life. Let's allow other family trees as well please!!

 

[William J. Malecela]

well maybe i used the wrong word(History) let me use neno kumbukumbu.. sasa kumbumkubu yangu if it serves me better.. naona viongozi wengi wa sasa hv ni from familia za viongozi wa zamini.. either direct children au related to ...... namely Mwinyi,Karume, na wengine... ambao wameonesha kuwa kama like thier predecessors....na kuhusu mtoto kufanya ya baba yake.. i think ni possibility kubwa mtoto kuwa influenced na baba yake.. so inturn kama ni kiongozi he might tend to live his father's legacy.. au akajikuta yuko influenced na his father's ideologies and principle.. ALTHOUGH its not a must they are also so many that act on thier own impulse.. following tier own principles..

- Well tuna wa-Tanzania karibu Millioni 45 sasa, eti tuna viongozi wengi ambao baba zao waliwahi kuwa viongozi? sitaki kuamini kwamba katika wananchi Millioni 45, viongozi wawili Dr. Hussein Mwinyi na Karume, wanaweza kuchukuliwa kwamba ni asilimia kubwa sana ya viongozi na baba zao.

- If anything ninaamini kwamba tuna viongozi wengi ambao ni watoto wa masikini, sasa mkuu kwa nini usii-reverse hii idea kwamba watoto huiga tania za baba zao na historia ya uongozi wetu?

nakuhusu Kikwete kusifiwia na Marekani au balozi wake does not make him a good leader.. Kiongozi mzuri au anayee faa husimama sio kwa ajili ya sifa anazopewa na watu kwa mdomo bali kwa matendo yake aliyofanya.. so for any man with common sense be it Obama himself or Kikwete.. all know that Kikwete sio kiongozi mzuri na anyaefaa.. hata hafai kurudi kwenye uongozi and mostly KAZI YA URAISI IMEMSHINDA BT HE CANT ADMIT THAT.... Wat ever mareakani is doing by kumsifia its simply politics.. strengthening the ties na protecting their interest.. (well went out of topic the topic wa inshu ya JM)

- Mkuu tunajaribu kukuamsha kwamba mawazo yako kuhusu Rais wa sasa, sio ya kila mtu na it has nothing to na common sense kwa sababu you do not own it, ni discretion ya any mwananchi, wewe umeona hafai lakini US inlcuding Obama wameona anafaa! ndio facts za politics!

Na kuhusu Obama.. sikatai not all Americans accept that he is a good leader and also not all americans accept that he is a bad leader.. he is a good leader to most some(if am not mistaken) recent polls show that wengi still have trust in him compare to those who do not have trust in him and his Administration(correct if am wrong)..

- Just like 80%, who elected Kikwete na ambao bado watamu-elect tena, ndio maana tunasema ni vyema ku-stick na insitutions na policies bdala ya majina, Obama kama Kikwete, ni mzuri to some but not to all na waht counts the most ni matokeo so far chaguzi tatu Obama amepigwa chini, that tell all!

i think he is jus not getting work done.. he has such good plans and proposals bt its jus not working out for him.. he cannot get the job done(raising job rates,uchumi kuuinua,dealing with Iran,national security,health care etc) so to me he is still a good leader na mfano.. and a person i will vote for another term if he was a tanzanian or i was an american..(once again i had to go out of topic kukuetetea point)

- Again Obama, alichagulwia on a popular merit bila record, kama Kikwete, isipokuwa tofauti yetu na US ni kwamba wao wana a serious competition among their political parties, ambako hizi competition zina-present automatic built in censorship politically, kushindwa kwa Obama hizo chaguzi tatu zimempelekea ujumbe mzito sana kwamba he is out of touch na wananchi na yeye mwenyewe amekubali na kuungama mbele ya wananchi kwamba he was on the wrong side of the glass, wananchi hawataki maneno ya Health Care, wanataka jobs!

- Sasa sisi bongo hatuna hizo system na besides bado Kikwete ameshinda chaguzi karibu zote toka awe Rais, only twice tena na in a very accidental ways he was able to read the message, pale aliporushiwa mawe Mbeya na juzi wafadhili na ile NEC ya kumkaba koo Six, otherwise hakuna anything cha kumfanya ajirekebishe au kumuonyesha makosa yake as a president, ndio maana tunasema ukomo wa uongozi sio tija, tija ni uwezo wao kupimwa na kushugulikiwa mapema kabla hata hawajamaliza term ya kwanza!

- Again, uzuri na ubaya wa Rais hupimwa kwenye kupiga kura na sio kwa sababu wewe unafikiri hafai basi hafai kwa wote!

- Otherwise, naomba kupumzika maana it is tiring kurudia rudia yale yale! I think so far the point is very clear kinachosema hapa na kisichosemwa! Binafsi ninachojali ni the principle, yaani haki ya Januari kugombea na kushiriki siasa za taifa lake bila kubaguliwa kwa sababu ya baba yake!

Respect.

FMEs!

 

[Mapinduzi]

Mbaraka Abdul Wakil, Vita Kawawa, Adam Malima na wengine achia mbali kwenye balozi zetu ni za Mongelas, Malecelas, Msekwas etc of the world.

 

[William J. Malecela]

Mbaraka Abdul Wakil, Vita Kawawa, Adam Malima na wengine achia mbali kwenye balozi zetu ni za Mongelas, Malecelas, Msekwas etc of the world.

- Kwa hiyo uongozi bora ni kuwa mtoto wa masikini? na hao uliowataja ndio wanawakilisha asilimia kubwa katika wananchi Millioni 45? Yaaani watoto wawili wa Msekwa ndio wamejaza balozi zetu nje?

- By the way watoto wa viongozi wenye qualifications wanatakiwa wafanye kazi wapi?

Es!

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

- Well tuna wa-Tanzania karibu Millioni 45 sasa, eti tuna viongozi wengi ambao baba zao waliwahi kuwa viongozi? sitaki kuamini kwamba katika wananchi Millioni 45, viongozi wawili Dr. Hussein Mwinyi na Karume, wanaweza kuchukuliwa kwamba ni asilimia kubwa sana ya viongozi na baba zao.

- If anything ninaamini kwamba tuna viongozi wengi ambao ni watoto wa masikini, sasa mkuu kwa nini usii-reverse hii idea kwamba watoto huiga tania za baba zao na historia ya uongozi wetu?



- Mkuu tunajaribu kukuamsha kwamba mawazo yako kuhusu Rais wa sasa, sio ya kila mtu na it has nothing to na common sense kwa sababu you do not own it, ni discretion ya any mwananchi, wewe umeona hafai lakini US inlcuding Obama wameona anafaa! ndio facts za politics!

- Just like 80%, who elected Kikwete na ambao bado watamu-elect tena, ndio maana tunasema ni vyema ku-stick na insitutions na policies bdala ya majina, Obama kama Kikwete, ni mzuri to some but not to all na waht counts the most ni matokeo so far chaguzi tatu Obama amepigwa chini, that tell all!

- Again Obama, alichagulwia on a popular merit bila record, kama Kikwete, isipokuwa tofauti yetu na US ni kwamba wao wana a serious competition among their political parties, ambako hizi competition zina-present automatic built in censorship politically, kushindwa kwa Obama hizo chaguzi tatu zimempelekea ujumbe mzito sana kwamba he is out of touch na wananchi na yeye mwenyewe amekubali na kuungama mbele ya wananchi kwamba he was on the wrong side of the glass, wananchi hawataki maneno ya Health Care, wanataka jobs!

- Sasa sisi bongo hatuna hizo system na besides bado Kikwete ameshinda chaguzi karibu zote toka awe Rais, only twice tena na in a very accidental ways he was able to read the message, pale aliporushiwa mawe Mbeya na juzi wafadhili na ile NEC ya kumkaba koo Six, otherwise hakuna anything cha kumfanya ajirekebishe au kumuonyesha makosa yake as a president, ndio maana tunasema ukomo wa uongozi sio tija, tija ni uwezo wao kupimwa na kushugulikiwa mapema kabla hata hawajamaliza term ya kwanza!

- Again, uzuri na ubaya wa Rais hupimwa kwenye kupiga kura na sio kwa sababu wewe unafikiri hafai basi hafai kwa wote!

- Otherwise, naomba kupumzika maana it is tiring kurudia rudia yale yale! I think so far the point is very clear kinachosema hapa na kisichosemwa! Binafsi ninachojali ni the principle, yaani haki ya Januari kugombea na kushiriki siasa za taifa lake bila kubaguliwa kwa sababu ya baba yake!

Respect.

FMEs!

sisemi nakubalia na wewe 100% ila its 50 / 50... kuna mabo na still doubt nayo na pia ckubaliani nayo.. ila too bad they do not relate to the thread.. as far as as the thread is concerned we have settled that JM anahaki yakugombea like any other mtanzania mwenye sifa and asiwe subjected to critism based on hate.. ila as for mambo mengine.. still napingana na ww Mkulu.ila kwa leo niishie hapa.....