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Confusion sometimes comes from little minds who cannot think. Its easy to "confuse" a child with calculus right? Does that mean differential equations are confusing? No! It just means the child cannot understand them. So the same is your case!
Where do you get this? Where did you copy and paste from? You seem to have problem in understanding simple things. Its a figment of your imagination. Its not in the Bible!
Not only this shows how stupid your argument is, it shows you don't know what you are writing! If you believe in creation then where do you derive your history? If the Bible as you tried to say above it says all PEOPLE come from single couple, Adam and Eve. If you don't believe that, there exists no other creation story. So Esentially you are either wrong or a liar.
Also the Bible says nothing of what we know as race. There is no race in the Bible and so in science. Creator made no race. Racism is a fruit of Evolution, a stupidy hypothesis (Not even a theory)
This is stupid comment at best. Yes it is!
What banged? Who banged it? Why did it bang? Why are no more bangs (and hence more lives)?
Why worms have stopped "evolving" into humans? Why haven't you evolved into something which is not a human?
Evolution is not even a story, its a tale. No one observed evolution. No scientific evidence to back it up, none!
Evolution is a religion that is believed by millions (billions?) not because its true but because they DO NOT WANT to believe in Creator God.
Here is the list to show how this sacred cow have been defended even by forgeries (when something have no evidence make one lol!)...Lucy, Neandathal man, Piltdown man, Haeckel embryo gill slits, and list goes on!
Evolution is a lie! A religion!
How do you define a species? How did you know that those "species" were our ancestors? Were you there?
No they are polar opposite, 180 out, never intersect anywhere. Evolution removes God and Creation makes Him at center. Evolution describes our existence as accident, creation clearly shows its Planned. I repeat, you seem to talk something you swallowed in class and don't even understand what you write!
How can creation explain something it denies it exists? Bible is clear we are of one blood and its clear that no races exists. God made a single "race" if you will and that is race of humans. So no need for explanation. Creation account covers how ALL humans came to exist, why do we have the earth as it is and what God is going to do as well as his current plan. Evolution cannot explain any of those. In fact evolution can explain nothing at all!
You seem to be a confused guy who does not seem to understand what is writing. Can you explain to me this simple thing: How did life come from non life?
Trying to understand the Bible and other religious books, the origin of mankind and living, needs a person who has time to waste. It is just a belief, if you do, well and good and if you do not, just leave. Just continue to explore on what will benefit the world and improve it, thinking out side the box.
Trying to understand the Bible and other religious books, the origin of mankind and living, needs a person who has time to waste. It is just a belief, if you do, well and good and if you do not, just leave. Just continue to explore on what will benefit the world and improve it, thinking out side the box.
Mkuu think3r91 kama kweli creation ilikuwa ya wayahudi peke yao, na walipofanya dhambi walipewa adhabu ya mauti. Ni kwa nini hadi leo wanadamu wote wanapatwa na mauti ilihali umesema uumbaji ulikuwa wa wayahudi pekee, kama hivyo sisi adhabu ya kufa kwao inatuhusu nini?.
I cant answer that:A S 13:
"... and lets create a man on our image, so he can stand for and monitor all the things we have made..." its the most thrilling statement in the bible showing about the completion of CREATION on what the bible and other religious book call, the creation of the earth. indeed it is,in one way or the other very convincing that the first man ever on the earth was created and lived in the Eden Garden which is believed to be somewhere in the middle east.
As one continues to enjoy and reading this creation story in the bible, we see how that small population of human race began to grow big. As the Adam and his wife Eve were blessed to have sons and daughter (though in their culture girls were less considered unless there was a significant role they do play). the most amazing thing in the story is when the woman was deceived by the snake, and the two sinned by disobeying the God and punishment was death to all of them without forgetting how man would live his life before he dies, and a woman pains in giving birth and so forth.
Apart from that the act of the older brother to kill his young brother brings something new to the world of creation, the death.. Adam witness the meaning of death, what happens when some dies and as a punishment God sent the older brother away from the small community but he MARKED the brother on his fore head so as PEOPLE from where he will be fled SHOULD NOT KILL HIM. this is the most interesting yet confusing part in the whole creation story as told by bible and other religious book.
I might be having low profiling about the facts of creation of the earth and the human race on the earth, if at all the creation was the first to all human race and the bible from the very beginning tells us how Adam and his family lived with exclusion of other societies. then here here were conclusions
- why should the older brother, as we are told in the bible, asked God to protect him so as people should not kill him as he was chased of the family?
- I do believe in CREATION and there was a creation on human but the creation didn't base on the entire human races on the earth surface, However the only human race created on the earth was the Israelite. and from the Israelite is where other human races should live and follow the example to.
- THE STORY OF EVOLUTION of earth still holds its truth as the world just appeared due to the explosion of hydrogen clouds though the theory does not answer at all if people do evolve and developed from the apes why it takes long for the now apes to turn into humans
- on the joint above, (2) it might be that the human race's ancestors were and are of differnt species as from the apes and that species will no longer be existed as it has evolved
- the story of creation and the evolution theory are sometimes intersect somehow although depends on how one approaches it.
- The whole story of CREATION based and reflects on culture of the jews and israelites ONLY because if otherwise, the creation story fails to explain as where does other human races like africans, indians , red indians and the far east Asians as chines and Japanese come from.
"... and lets create a man on our image, so he can stand for and monitor all the things we have made..." its the most thrilling statement in the bible showing about the completion of CREATION on what the bible and other religious book call, the creation of the earth. indeed it is,in one way or the other very convincing that the first man ever on the earth was created and lived in the Eden Garden which is believed to be somewhere in the middle east.
As one continues to enjoy and reading this creation story in the bible, we see how that small population of human race began to grow big. As the Adam and his wife Eve were blessed to have sons and daughter (though in their culture girls were less considered unless there was a significant role they do play). the most amazing thing in the story is when the woman was deceived by the snake, and the two sinned by disobeying the God and punishment was death to all of them without forgetting how man would live his life before he dies, and a woman pains in giving birth and so forth.
Apart from that the act of the older brother to kill his young brother brings something new to the world of creation, the death.. Adam witness the meaning of death, what happens when some dies and as a punishment God sent the older brother away from the small community but he MARKED the brother on his fore head so as PEOPLE from where he will be fled SHOULD NOT KILL HIM. this is the most interesting yet confusing part in the whole creation story as told by bible and other religious book.
I might be having low profiling about the facts of creation of the earth and the human race on the earth, if at all the creation was the first to all human race and the bible from the very beginning tells us how Adam and his family lived with exclusion of other societies. then here here were conclusions
- why should the older brother, as we are told in the bible, asked God to protect him so as people should not kill him as he was chased of the family?
- I do believe in CREATION and there was a creation on human but the creation didn't base on the entire human races on the earth surface, However the only human race created on the earth was the Israelite. and from the Israelite is where other human races should live and follow the example to.
- THE STORY OF EVOLUTION of earth still holds its truth as the world just appeared due to the explosion of hydrogen clouds though the theory does not answer at all if people do evolve and developed from the apes why it takes long for the now apes to turn into humans
- on the joint above, (2) it might be that the human race's ancestors were and are of differnt species as from the apes and that species will no longer be existed as it has evolved
- the story of creation and the evolution theory are sometimes intersect somehow although depends on how one approaches it.
- The whole story of CREATION based and reflects on culture of the jews and israelites ONLY because if otherwise, the creation story fails to explain as where does other human races like africans, indians , red indians and the far east Asians as chines and Japanese come from.
Here is one perspective on point 2 that you make above:
The unity and integrity of the Bible
Adam
In Genesis 2:7 it says that God formed Adam (Heb. adam) from the dust of the ground (Heb. adamah). The scriptures clearly teach the man was formed from the dust of the earth. Notice the play on words in the Hebrew for ‘Adam' and ‘ground'. ‘Adam' means ‘of red colour or complexion'. So Adam's name clearly derives from the Hebrew word for ‘ground' (adamah) and is therefore associated with that ground. These things are not coincidences. By the name given to man, God is underlining the truth that man was formed from the dust of the earth. Listen to what God Himself says in Genesis 3:19, ‘In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return.' This is more than allegory. God is revealing to us that He made man from the soil of the earth. Man was made out of the ground, he did not emerge out of the sea like some amoeba-like creature and gradually develop. The apostle Paul, not speaking out of the ignorance of ‘primitive' man but by the Spirit of God declares, ‘The first man is of the earth, made of dust: the second man is the Lord from heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47). The psalmist states, ‘For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust' (Psalms 103:14). Evolution makes a nonsense of these scriptures and of God's own words quoted above. It challenges what the Bible universally presents, not as allegory, but as a truth, namely, that man was made from the dust of the ground, and that God created him as an adult man.
The creation story in Genesis is not only confirmed as historically true throughout the Bible, but it is also foundational to the doctrinal truths that are developed and taught. It is important to recognise that evolution, whether Darwinian or theistic, not only relegates the creation account to some sort of fable, but it also undermines the very theology taught in the Bible with regard to man, sin and redemption. We will now look at further cases where this is so.
The scriptures say that God formed man in His own image. What, from an animal? Genesis makes it quite clear that God created man separate and distinct from the animals and put them immediately in charge over them. There is a solemn, momentous occasion in heaven and history when God says: ‘Let us make man in our own image….and let them have dominion…' God created man directly, to reflect His image and likeness and therefore with the immediate capacity to know God and have fellowship with Him. According to Bible teaching, man did not develop ‘a little higher' than the apes, as (theistic) evolution would have us believe, but God made him ‘a little lower than the angels' (Ps.8:5). The Bible portrays man's creation as privileged and separate to other creatures. Nor can science or evolution explain man's capacity for self-awareness and imaginative and creative thinking. The theory of evolution opposes God's own words spoken in heaven and from heaven, which declares to mankind how God made us and for what privileged purpose He made us – namely, to be like Him. This is revelation from God Himself. How is it that some Christians can so easily relegate God's own gracious revelation to us to some sort of non-literal allegory – it's not really true, it just represents a spiritual truth? The more one studies the Genesis account, the more one can see how wonderfully significant and full of meaning every verse is; how it all ties together not only in its immediate context but with the teaching of the whole Bible; and what an amazingly specific and detailed rebuttal it represents of the idea of evolution of any kind!
Sin and Salvation
In Rom.5:12-19 the apostle Paul says that through 'one man' sin entered the world and it identifies this man to be Adam. This one man is also clearly identified as the first man and federal head of the human race: ‘For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive…The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit…The first man is of the earth, made of dust: the second man is the Lord from heaven' (1Corinthians 15:22,45,47). These verses clearly teach that Adam was the first man of the human race, and that as the head (the first progenitor) of all mankind, it was Adam who introduced sin and death into all mankind when he sinned. Since all descend from this one man, ‘Adam', they are all subject to the sin and death that he fell into, with the consequence that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 5 declares that through the offence and disobedience of one man, sin, death and judgement came upon all. This is one of the most fundamental and powerful passages in the NT concerning sin and redemption. Does theistic evolution support the teaching of this passage? What is their theology of sin and death and how do they re-interpret Romans 5 in their new theology? If Adam was the culmination of the evolutionary line, and an innumerable number of evolving ‘men' had already died, how then could death come by one Adam?
In both 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 5, Christ is clearly depicted as the counterpart of Adam. There is a definite parallel between the two. Adam is the first man, and Christ is declared to be the second or last man/Adam. You are either in Adam or in Christ. As federal head, the first Adam plunged mankind into sin and death, and that is the state that men and women find themselves in until the second Adam, Jesus Christ, as the Head of all who believe in Him, saves them from this sin and death and brings in righteousness, peace and life. As there is only one Christ, so there was only one Adam; both being federal heads. Adam is no more an allegorical figure than Christ is! These texts clearly take Adam to be a historical figure. Paul's language itself clearly leads to such an understanding, and the counter-play between ‘Adam' and ‘Christ' in his teaching confirms Adam as one man and not symbolic of untold thousands! Paul is not using allegory or fables to knit together some kind of clever teaching! It is not his invention or his ignorance that is at play here! This teaching is the revelation of God's truth; the revelation of God's plan of redemption. It is inspired by the Spirit of God and ordained by the wisdom of God, who, fore-knowing that the first man and federal head of all mankind would sin, had already made provision for salvation through the second man, Christ Jesus. These two men represent the two states of all mankind – either in sin and death (Adam) or in life and righteousness (Christ).
The scriptures not only take the genuine historicity of Adam as a fact of God's creation, but the whole theology of sin and redemption is bound up with this truth. The teaching of these passages is in total harmony with a literal interpretation of the creation of Adam and Eve. Change this and you have to change the theology of sin and redemption. The following verses also confirm Adam as a historical figure and as the first man: Gen.5:1,3; 1Ch.1:1; Luke 3:38; Jude 1:14. However much it might be denied, evolution (theistic or otherwise) calls into question the validity and inspiration of the scriptures quoted above and the fundamental truths they teach. In other words, there is a conflict between the implications of this theory and the very theology of the origins of sin. To say that Genesis describes the ‘who' and evolution the ‘how' is just escapist; a refusal to face up to and explain the inevitable tensions and contradictions that exist between the two, not just in Genesis, but also in the rest of the Bible and in the NT in particular. If the two are compatible, where then is their compatibility in the above verses. This tension is resolved, of course, if people take the stance that the Bible is not inspired by God.
Eve and the Bride of Christ
The NT confirms the Genesis account of creation in every way. When giving instruction concerning the teaching ministry in the church, the apostle Paul refers to the Genesis account of creation as the fundamental truth that underlies his teaching - ‘man' was first formed and then ‘woman' (1Tim.2:13). That ‘woman' was created directly out of ‘man', Paul confirms in 1Cor.11:8,9. This is the order and manner as depicted in Genesis and represents the basis for NT doctrine and theology. They are fundamental to an understanding of the role of men and women in the church. The import of these verses only have sense here if the creation account is literal - and that is how Paul is interpreting them. If mankind evolved from apes, then both the Genesis account and Paul's teaching become a nonsense. Jesus Christ refers the Pharisees (Mtt.19:4; Mk.10:2-9) to the account of the creation of Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 when answering their question about divorce. He uses the account in Genesis 2 as an authoritative revelation of God's truth and states that man and woman were made (not evolved) at the beginning of creation – not multiple millions of years after it! What greater, more reliable authority can we have than this?
So the New Testament harmonises with the Genesis account of the creation of man and woman both in apostolic teaching and in the teaching of Jesus Christ. God formed Adam first, from soil; He then created Eve by taking a rib from Adam and formed her. When Eve was formed Adam said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.' (Genesis 2:23). This is more than fact. This is the revelation of God's truth. Adam prefigures Christ. A spear was thrust into the side of Jesus on the cross and out of His side flowed blood and water, John 19:34. These are the elements by which Christ would cleanse and sanctify His Bride, the Church. (Hebrews 9:19; 1 John 5:6; 1:7). And so the Bible declares that we, Christ's Church, are ‘members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.' Note the parallels between Adam and Christ. Paul is again taking the truths of creation and applying them to Christ and His church. God fore-knowing what He would do through Christ, reflected these truths concerning Christ and His Bride when He formed Eve out of Adam's side, Eph. 5:25-32. These truths constitute a unity and divine revelation. The Creation of all things
When giving the Law to Israel, God Himself told them through Moses that they should work six days and rest on the seventh because, 'in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is and rested the seventh day.' (Ex.20:11). God is here confirming what was written in Genesis 1. The numbers ‘six' and ‘seven' are significant and symbolic in the scriptures. One can't just render them indefinite or vague, except by destroying their significance or symbolism. If the word ‘day' is used allegorically, it is certainly not allegorical for innumerable millions of years! Genesis 1 clearly and deliberately depicts God's creative power in speaking things into being. Repeatedly it is written, 'And God said…' And it was so! This is more than just common language. It is specific revelation concerning the manner in which God created all things. ‘By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.' (Psalm 33:6). 'Speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.' the centurion said (Mtt.8:8), and Jesus commended him for having more faith than anyone in Israel. Theistic evolution challenges the revelation of the very manner in which God made all things. Not all Hebrew scholars of the Old Testament personally believe in a literal six-day creation. However, they do genreally agree that the writer of Genesis meant the creation account to be taken literally because of the language he uses! The Hebrew inescapably points to a literal understanding of the text, not an allegorical one! The Hebrew scholars are presumably just as expert in their field as scientists in theirs!
The Genesis account makes it plain that it was not by ‘chance' or any kind of evolution that living species came about. How wonderfully clear God makes it in Genesis 1. It says that at creation God made the plants, fish, birds, insects and amimals ‘after their kind', in other words, according to their species! This phrase is repeated ten times in Genesis 1. Why emphasise this point? The point is this: it declares to us that God Almighty created completed species and that these species reproduced according to their kind! It says nothing about species evolving into other species, which it could easily have done if it had happened that way! Nothing could more specifically contradict the notion of evolution than these statements in Genesis 1. Just and allegory? Not meant to teach us about science? It is as though Genesis 1 had been written with the very purpose of refuting any notion of evolution! Such an ‘allegory' is hardly a good advertisement for evolution! (Obviously, once species had been created changes could take place within species and other changes through cross-breeding. However, these kind of changes don't prove evolution)
How is it that we do not understand that the Genesis account represents much more than science? It is not the work of man or man's ‘best guess' at things - it is the revelation of God; God actively involved in inspiring the scriptures to reveal not just facts, but truth to our hearts. It is no accident or allegory when it is written that God created light first. God created light before He created the sun and stars! This is not poetry at work. The Bible is revealing basic truths to us that also have spiritual significance. God's nature is revealed by His outward acts. God brings light as His first work of creation! Thus we read in 2 Cor. 4:6 ‘For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.' This is the spiritual parallel which the Genesis account reflects and prefigures. It is the revelation concerning how God works.
"... and lets create a man on our image, so he can stand for and monitor all the things we have made..." its the most thrilling statement in the bible showing about the completion of CREATION on what the bible and other religious book call, the creation of the earth. indeed it is,in one way or the other very convincing that the first man ever on the earth was created and lived in the Eden Garden which is believed to be somewhere in the middle east.
As one continues to enjoy and reading this creation story in the bible, we see how that small population of human race began to grow big. As the Adam and his wife Eve were blessed to have sons and daughter (though in their culture girls were less considered unless there was a significant role they do play). the most amazing thing in the story is when the woman was deceived by the snake, and the two sinned by disobeying the God and punishment was death to all of them without forgetting how man would live his life before he dies, and a woman pains in giving birth and so forth.
Apart from that the act of the older brother to kill his young brother brings something new to the world of creation, the death.. Adam witness the meaning of death, what happens when some dies and as a punishment God sent the older brother away from the small community but he MARKED the brother on his fore head so as PEOPLE from where he will be fled SHOULD NOT KILL HIM. this is the most interesting yet confusing part in the whole creation story as told by bible and other religious book.
I might be having low profiling about the facts of creation of the earth and the human race on the earth, if at all the creation was the first to all human race and the bible from the very beginning tells us how Adam and his family lived with exclusion of other societies. then here here were conclusions
- why should the older brother, as we are told in the bible, asked God to protect him so as people should not kill him as he was chased of the family?
- I do believe in CREATION and there was a creation on human but the creation didn't base on the entire human races on the earth surface, However the only human race created on the earth was the Israelite. and from the Israelite is where other human races should live and follow the example to.
- THE STORY OF EVOLUTION of earth still holds its truth as the world just appeared due to the explosion of hydrogen clouds though the theory does not answer at all if people do evolve and developed from the apes why it takes long for the now apes to turn into humans
- on the joint above, (2) it might be that the human race's ancestors were and are of differnt species as from the apes and that species will no longer be existed as it has evolved
- the story of creation and the evolution theory are sometimes intersect somehow although depends on how one approaches it.
- The whole story of CREATION based and reflects on culture of the jews and israelites ONLY because if otherwise, the creation story fails to explain as where does other human races like africans, indians , red indians and the far east Asians as chines and Japanese come from.
according to DNA, all human generated from the same source. mutation and and environmental factors offer minor human deviation.
. Based on ancient culture and traditions the story as a story is shaped through all of that. but it does not mean it exclude all human races. during ancient period, the population was lower than our population. and according to time and how story was preserved, in some point it may affect the interpretation of the story as well as the exactness, more often when it comes to modern culture like us.the ancient people tell the story as they own it. it made us to feel isolated.
the fact is; bible is not dogmatic, the kind of book that said to be dropped from heaven by angels and god. bibile allows us to conduct further research to seek for truth.the most important is, the story of Adam and Eve and and apple eve in the bible, will always remained as the benchmark for our origin, despite the fact that in some point its descriptive sounds imprecise for us to comprehend.View attachment 143084View attachment 143085