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CREATION was only for israelites not for all human races, EVOLUTION still holds its truth !
CREATION was only for israelites not for all human races, EVOLUTION still holds its truth !
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Trying to understand the Bible and other religious books, the origin of mankind and living, needs a person who has time to waste. It is just a belief, if you do, well and good and if you do not, just leave. Just continue to explore on what will benefit the world and improve it, thinking out side the box.
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Mkuu think3r91 kama kweli creation ilikuwa ya wayahudi peke yao, na walipofanya dhambi walipewa adhabu ya mauti. Ni kwa nini hadi leo wanadamu wote wanapatwa na mauti ilihali umesema uumbaji ulikuwa wa wayahudi pekee, kama hivyo sisi adhabu ya kufa kwao inatuhusu nini?.
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Ninaweza kukujibu katika mitazamo miwili.
Mtazamo wa kwanza, kufa ama kutika kwa uhai wa binadamu unawezakuelezewa kama njia ya seli za binadamu kushindwa kuhimili mabadiliko ya ama ghafla au ya muda mrefu. Hivyo binadamu anaweza kufa. hapa nifafanue kidogo, ninaposema mabadiliko ninazungumzia mtu anapo pata tuseme ajali mbaya sana, kuzama katika maji, kuungua na moto ama kuwekwa katika mazingira tofauti na yale yaliyokuwepo awali
Mtazamo wa pili, huu ni ule wa kiimani zaidi kwamba mtu tunasema amekata roho na malaika mtoa roho amefanya kazi yake vema. Katika mtazamo huu unapunguza uhalali wa kuhoji kwanini. Pia katka mtazamo huu ndio ulioweza kutoa fununu kwa waisrael wote kwa kipindi kile. tukumbuke kwamba mafundisho haya yote hususani mtunzi wakitabu cha mwanza, Mussa aliyaandika haya ilikuweza kuwaaminisha na kuwalainisha wana waisrael kwa kipindi kile.
Naamini nimekujibu kidogo mkuu
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Interesting, actually it is a bit of confussion especially for point number (1), it seems other people/human communitie(s) existed somewhere on planet who were not associated with Adam's family. In any case there is no point of intersection between story of creation and theory evolution. In most cases they do contradicts each other.., but at least the theory of evolution is highly justified compared to very summary creation's story.
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Here is one perspective on point 2 that you make above:
The unity and integrity of the Bible
Adam
In Genesis 2:7 it says that God formed Adam (Heb. adam) from the dust of the ground (Heb. adamah). The scriptures clearly teach the man was formed from the dust of the earth. Notice the play on words in the Hebrew for ‘Adam' and ‘ground'. ‘Adam' means ‘of red colour or complexion'. So Adam's name clearly derives from the Hebrew word for ‘ground' (adamah) and is therefore associated with that ground. These things are not coincidences. By the name given to man, God is underlining the truth that man was formed from the dust of the earth. Listen to what God Himself says in Genesis 3:19, ‘In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return.' This is more than allegory. God is revealing to us that He made man from the soil of the earth. Man was made out of the ground, he did not emerge out of the sea like some amoeba-like creature and gradually develop. The apostle Paul, not speaking out of the ignorance of ‘primitive' man but by the Spirit of God declares, ‘The first man is of the earth, made of dust: the second man is the Lord from heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47). The psalmist states, ‘For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust' (Psalms 103:14). Evolution makes a nonsense of these scriptures and of God's own words quoted above. It challenges what the Bible universally presents, not as allegory, but as a truth, namely, that man was made from the dust of the ground, and that God created him as an adult man.
The creation story in Genesis is not only confirmed as historically true throughout the Bible, but it is also foundational to the doctrinal truths that are developed and taught. It is important to recognise that evolution, whether Darwinian or theistic, not only relegates the creation account to some sort of fable, but it also undermines the very theology taught in the Bible with regard to man, sin and redemption. We will now look at further cases where this is so.
The scriptures say that God formed man in His own image. What, from an animal? Genesis makes it quite clear that God created man separate and distinct from the animals and put them immediately in charge over them. There is a solemn, momentous occasion in heaven and history when God says: ‘Let us make man in our own image….and let them have dominion…' God created man directly, to reflect His image and likeness and therefore with the immediate capacity to know God and have fellowship with Him. According to Bible teaching, man did not develop ‘a little higher' than the apes, as (theistic) evolution would have us believe, but God made him ‘a little lower than the angels' (Ps.8:5). The Bible portrays man's creation as privileged and separate to other creatures. Nor can science or evolution explain man's capacity for self-awareness and imaginative and creative thinking. The theory of evolution opposes God's own words spoken in heaven and from heaven, which declares to mankind how God made us and for what privileged purpose He made us – namely, to be like Him. This is revelation from God Himself. How is it that some Christians can so easily relegate God's own gracious revelation to us to some sort of non-literal allegory – it's not really true, it just represents a spiritual truth? The more one studies the Genesis account, the more one can see how wonderfully significant and full of meaning every verse is; how it all ties together not only in its immediate context but with the teaching of the whole Bible; and what an amazingly specific and detailed rebuttal it represents of the idea of evolution of any kind!
Sin and Salvation
In Rom.5:12-19 the apostle Paul says that through 'one man' sin entered the world and it identifies this man to be Adam. This one man is also clearly identified as the first man and federal head of the human race: ‘For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive…The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit…The first man is of the earth, made of dust: the second man is the Lord from heaven' (1Corinthians 15:22,45,47). These verses clearly teach that Adam was the first man of the human race, and that as the head (the first progenitor) of all mankind, it was Adam who introduced sin and death into all mankind when he sinned. Since all descend from this one man, ‘Adam', they are all subject to the sin and death that he fell into, with the consequence that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 5 declares that through the offence and disobedience of one man, sin, death and judgement came upon all. This is one of the most fundamental and powerful passages in the NT concerning sin and redemption. Does theistic evolution support the teaching of this passage? What is their theology of sin and death and how do they re-interpret Romans 5 in their new theology? If Adam was the culmination of the evolutionary line, and an innumerable number of evolving ‘men' had already died, how then could death come by one Adam?
In both 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 5, Christ is clearly depicted as the counterpart of Adam. There is a definite parallel between the two. Adam is the first man, and Christ is declared to be the second or last man/Adam. You are either in Adam or in Christ. As federal head, the first Adam plunged mankind into sin and death, and that is the state that men and women find themselves in until the second Adam, Jesus Christ, as the Head of all who believe in Him, saves them from this sin and death and brings in righteousness, peace and life. As there is only one Christ, so there was only one Adam; both being federal heads. Adam is no more an allegorical figure than Christ is! These texts clearly take Adam to be a historical figure. Paul's language itself clearly leads to such an understanding, and the counter-play between ‘Adam' and ‘Christ' in his teaching confirms Adam as one man and not symbolic of untold thousands! Paul is not using allegory or fables to knit together some kind of clever teaching! It is not his invention or his ignorance that is at play here! This teaching is the revelation of God's truth; the revelation of God's plan of redemption. It is inspired by the Spirit of God and ordained by the wisdom of God, who, fore-knowing that the first man and federal head of all mankind would sin, had already made provision for salvation through the second man, Christ Jesus. These two men represent the two states of all mankind – either in sin and death (Adam) or in life and righteousness (Christ).
The scriptures not only take the genuine historicity of Adam as a fact of God's creation, but the whole theology of sin and redemption is bound up with this truth. The teaching of these passages is in total harmony with a literal interpretation of the creation of Adam and Eve. Change this and you have to change the theology of sin and redemption. The following verses also confirm Adam as a historical figure and as the first man: Gen.5:1,3; 1Ch.1:1; Luke 3:38; Jude 1:14. However much it might be denied, evolution (theistic or otherwise) calls into question the validity and inspiration of the scriptures quoted above and the fundamental truths they teach. In other words, there is a conflict between the implications of this theory and the very theology of the origins of sin. To say that Genesis describes the ‘who' and evolution the ‘how' is just escapist; a refusal to face up to and explain the inevitable tensions and contradictions that exist between the two, not just in Genesis, but also in the rest of the Bible and in the NT in particular. If the two are compatible, where then is their compatibility in the above verses. This tension is resolved, of course, if people take the stance that the Bible is not inspired by God.
Eve and the Bride of Christ
The NT confirms the Genesis account of creation in every way. When giving instruction concerning the teaching ministry in the church, the apostle Paul refers to the Genesis account of creation as the fundamental truth that underlies his teaching - ‘man' was first formed and then ‘woman' (1Tim.2:13). That ‘woman' was created directly out of ‘man', Paul confirms in 1Cor.11:8,9. This is the order and manner as depicted in Genesis and represents the basis for NT doctrine and theology. They are fundamental to an understanding of the role of men and women in the church. The import of these verses only have sense here if the creation account is literal - and that is how Paul is interpreting them. If mankind evolved from apes, then both the Genesis account and Paul's teaching become a nonsense. Jesus Christ refers the Pharisees (Mtt.19:4; Mk.10:2-9) to the account of the creation of Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 when answering their question about divorce. He uses the account in Genesis 2 as an authoritative revelation of God's truth and states that man and woman were made (not evolved) at the beginning of creation – not multiple millions of years after it! What greater, more reliable authority can we have than this?
So the New Testament harmonises with the Genesis account of the creation of man and woman both in apostolic teaching and in the teaching of Jesus Christ. God formed Adam first, from soil; He then created Eve by taking a rib from Adam and formed her. When Eve was formed Adam said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.' (Genesis 2:23). This is more than fact. This is the revelation of God's truth. Adam prefigures Christ. A spear was thrust into the side of Jesus on the cross and out of His side flowed blood and water, John 19:34. These are the elements by which Christ would cleanse and sanctify His Bride, the Church. (Hebrews 9:19; 1 John 5:6; 1:7). And so the Bible declares that we, Christ's Church, are ‘members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.' Note the parallels between Adam and Christ. Paul is again taking the truths of creation and applying them to Christ and His church. God fore-knowing what He would do through Christ, reflected these truths concerning Christ and His Bride when He formed Eve out of Adam's side, Eph. 5:25-32. These truths constitute a unity and divine revelation. The Creation of all things
When giving the Law to Israel, God Himself told them through Moses that they should work six days and rest on the seventh because, 'in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is and rested the seventh day.' (Ex.20:11). God is here confirming what was written in Genesis 1. The numbers ‘six' and ‘seven' are significant and symbolic in the scriptures. One can't just render them indefinite or vague, except by destroying their significance or symbolism. If the word ‘day' is used allegorically, it is certainly not allegorical for innumerable millions of years! Genesis 1 clearly and deliberately depicts God's creative power in speaking things into being. Repeatedly it is written, 'And God said…' And it was so! This is more than just common language. It is specific revelation concerning the manner in which God created all things. ‘By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.' (Psalm 33:6). 'Speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.' the centurion said (Mtt.8:8), and Jesus commended him for having more faith than anyone in Israel. Theistic evolution challenges the revelation of the very manner in which God made all things. Not all Hebrew scholars of the Old Testament personally believe in a literal six-day creation. However, they do genreally agree that the writer of Genesis meant the creation account to be taken literally because of the language he uses! The Hebrew inescapably points to a literal understanding of the text, not an allegorical one! The Hebrew scholars are presumably just as expert in their field as scientists in theirs!
The Genesis account makes it plain that it was not by ‘chance' or any kind of evolution that living species came about. How wonderfully clear God makes it in Genesis 1. It says that at creation God made the plants, fish, birds, insects and amimals ‘after their kind', in other words, according to their species! This phrase is repeated ten times in Genesis 1. Why emphasise this point? The point is this: it declares to us that God Almighty created completed species and that these species reproduced according to their kind! It says nothing about species evolving into other species, which it could easily have done if it had happened that way! Nothing could more specifically contradict the notion of evolution than these statements in Genesis 1. Just and allegory? Not meant to teach us about science? It is as though Genesis 1 had been written with the very purpose of refuting any notion of evolution! Such an ‘allegory' is hardly a good advertisement for evolution! (Obviously, once species had been created changes could take place within species and other changes through cross-breeding. However, these kind of changes don't prove evolution)
How is it that we do not understand that the Genesis account represents much more than science? It is not the work of man or man's ‘best guess' at things - it is the revelation of God; God actively involved in inspiring the scriptures to reveal not just facts, but truth to our hearts. It is no accident or allegory when it is written that God created light first. God created light before He created the sun and stars! This is not poetry at work. The Bible is revealing basic truths to us that also have spiritual significance. God's nature is revealed by His outward acts. God brings light as His first work of creation! Thus we read in 2 Cor. 4:6 ‘For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.' This is the spiritual parallel which the Genesis account reflects and prefigures. It is the revelation concerning how God works.
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Kabla ya kuumbwa Adam, Allah aliumba ulimwengu yaani universe na kila kitu chake kama sayari bahari mito wanyama n.k
Allah aliwakusanya malaika wake na kuwambia anataka kuumba kiumbe bora kabisa kupata kukiumba nacho ni Binaadam.
Then alimuumba Adam. Nabii Adam tunambiwa aliumbwa kwa udongo kutoka ardhini.
Malaika walitumwa kuchukua kila aina ya udongo kila pembe ya ardhi
Udongo aliofinyangiwa ni mchanganyiko wa rangi tofauti na tunaambiwa hapa Allah akamweka roho yaani soul na Adam akawa kiumbe.
Adam akaumbiwa kiumbe cha kumsaidia naye ndie Bibi Hawa.
Uzazi wao kutokana na mchanganyiko wa ufinyanzi ulikua wa watoto wa mataifa mbali mbali
Alizaa weusi wachina wazungu waarabu waisrael n.k
Watoto wao wakioana wenywewe kwa wenyewe na kuendelea kuzaa watoto rangini tofauti .
Watoto hawa wakahamia sehemu tofauti za dunia kutokana na rangi zao.
Ubaguzi baina ya watu ulianza mbali hivyo kila rangi ya ilihamia sehemu yake na huko wakazaa wenyewee kwa wenyewe kama ni mchina kwa mchina nk
Ulimwengu akabaki hivi watoto wa Adam makabila tofauti mpaka leo na hii zama za mwisho utaona watoto wake leo wameanza kulingilina kati ya makabila na sasa tunapata mashombe kama kina obama
Hakuna kitu evolution binaadamu ameanza hivi alivo na bado ni yule yule. Na huko tuendako atabaki kama alivo ila kutokana na kuchanganyika katka ndoa basi rangi xitabadilika lakini shape ya binaadam itabaki kama ilivyo.
Hoja ya israel kupendelewa sio kweli haina mshiko kwani mitume waliyoletewa ni kwa ajili yao tu na sio kwa ajili makabila na mataifa mengine.
Mataifa mengine nayo pia yaliletewa manabii na mitume
Tunafahamishwa kuwa zaidi ya manabii laki na ishirini na tano walikuwapo.ni dhahir walikua katika mataifa yote.
Kule china na india na ulaya greece asili ya dini zao ni manabii walokuwepo ila baadaye walizichakachua kutokana na muda.
Manabii hawa hawakupewa vitabu na binaadamu hakujua kuandika wakati huo hivyo hakuna mandidhi yao.
Israel ni sawa na Africans mbele ya mungu aliyewaumba kuwapa mitume mingi wao ni kutokana na kuwa watoto maluuni kabisa katika watoto wa adam.wabishi mafisadi sana ndio kila mara wakiletewa manabii kuwakumbusha.
Wengine hawakuhitaji manabii kila mara kwani ni wwsukivu wa mola wao
Allah aliwakusanya malaika wake na kuwambia anataka kuumba kiumbe bora kabisa kupata kukiumba nacho ni Binaadam.
Then alimuumba Adam. Nabii Adam tunambiwa aliumbwa kwa udongo kutoka ardhini.
Malaika walitumwa kuchukua kila aina ya udongo kila pembe ya ardhi
Udongo aliofinyangiwa ni mchanganyiko wa rangi tofauti na tunaambiwa hapa Allah akamweka roho yaani soul na Adam akawa kiumbe.
Adam akaumbiwa kiumbe cha kumsaidia naye ndie Bibi Hawa.
Uzazi wao kutokana na mchanganyiko wa ufinyanzi ulikua wa watoto wa mataifa mbali mbali
Alizaa weusi wachina wazungu waarabu waisrael n.k
Watoto wao wakioana wenywewe kwa wenyewe na kuendelea kuzaa watoto rangini tofauti .
Watoto hawa wakahamia sehemu tofauti za dunia kutokana na rangi zao.
Ubaguzi baina ya watu ulianza mbali hivyo kila rangi ya ilihamia sehemu yake na huko wakazaa wenyewee kwa wenyewe kama ni mchina kwa mchina nk
Ulimwengu akabaki hivi watoto wa Adam makabila tofauti mpaka leo na hii zama za mwisho utaona watoto wake leo wameanza kulingilina kati ya makabila na sasa tunapata mashombe kama kina obama
Hakuna kitu evolution binaadamu ameanza hivi alivo na bado ni yule yule. Na huko tuendako atabaki kama alivo ila kutokana na kuchanganyika katka ndoa basi rangi xitabadilika lakini shape ya binaadam itabaki kama ilivyo.
Hoja ya israel kupendelewa sio kweli haina mshiko kwani mitume waliyoletewa ni kwa ajili yao tu na sio kwa ajili makabila na mataifa mengine.
Mataifa mengine nayo pia yaliletewa manabii na mitume
Tunafahamishwa kuwa zaidi ya manabii laki na ishirini na tano walikuwapo.ni dhahir walikua katika mataifa yote.
Kule china na india na ulaya greece asili ya dini zao ni manabii walokuwepo ila baadaye walizichakachua kutokana na muda.
Manabii hawa hawakupewa vitabu na binaadamu hakujua kuandika wakati huo hivyo hakuna mandidhi yao.
Israel ni sawa na Africans mbele ya mungu aliyewaumba kuwapa mitume mingi wao ni kutokana na kuwa watoto maluuni kabisa katika watoto wa adam.wabishi mafisadi sana ndio kila mara wakiletewa manabii kuwakumbusha.
Wengine hawakuhitaji manabii kila mara kwani ni wwsukivu wa mola wao
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Thank you for this very long explanation. At least, from your point of view shows how creation is still vivid. Since the whole approach of the argument you brought based on the book of Genesis and Timothy , then i would like to get more clarification on the following contradicting,(to me of course) phrases in regard to what you brought here
- Genesis chapter 4 tell us the story of Cain killing his brother Abel, and on verse 10 God put punishment to Cain, and on Verse 13 Cain complained that the punishment was t heavy for him and the God answered on Verse 15, " Any one who kills you will be punished seven times worse than I am punishing you", so the God put a Mark on Cain to warn everyone not to kill him.
[*=2]On the point above, if one get time to read the whole chapter, it showed that Cain was punished to go away from the Eden Garden, the question is why should Cain fear someone would ever kill him if he stayed away from the Garden??
2. On the other hand of the Paul as it has been showed in the book of Timothy, its very true that Adam is the first person of all human kind. But since the reference here was made through the bible, and the bible is the original and best work of Literature of the Jews culture and from which christians adopted the book and we shared the TORATI with muslims, of course the bible will always explain better about the Jews and their ways of lives and indeed like any culture, it explained Adam was the first human created by God only for them the Isralites.
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Let me start with a simple question.. does crocodile resemble with lizard? can they inter bleed?
the kind of apes or primate that Darwin referred to were/are different from the common apes we see now and know... May be that ignites something
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Creationist story haikuanza kwa wayahudi
First mention of creation ilianza kwa Sumerians katika Epic of Gilgamesh.Imemtaja adamu kuwa aliumbwa na Annunaki kuchimba dhahabu. Baada ya miungu hiyo Annunaki kuondoka Adamu akabaki na akaanza kuzaliana
Genesis is a copy and paste with few modifications.Hamna jipya
First mention of creation ilianza kwa Sumerians katika Epic of Gilgamesh.Imemtaja adamu kuwa aliumbwa na Annunaki kuchimba dhahabu. Baada ya miungu hiyo Annunaki kuondoka Adamu akabaki na akaanza kuzaliana
Genesis is a copy and paste with few modifications.Hamna jipya
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according to DNA, all human generated from the same source. mutation and and environmental factors offer minor human deviation.
. Based on ancient culture and traditions the story as a story is shaped through all of that. but it does not mean it exclude all human races. during ancient period, the population was lower than our population. and according to time and how story was preserved, in some point it may affect the interpretation of the story as well as the exactness, more often when it comes to modern culture like us.the ancient people tell the story as they own it. it made us to feel isolated.
the fact is; bible is not dogmatic, the kind of book that said to be dropped from heaven by angels and god. bibile allows us to conduct further research to seek for truth.the most important is, the story of Adam and Eve and and apple eve in the bible, will always remained as the benchmark for our origin, despite the fact that in some point its descriptive sounds imprecise for us to comprehend.
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Which tree couldnt Adam and Eve eat from?
Genesis chapter 2:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
So note there are in fact 2 trees, the tree of life AND the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If they were the same tree there would be no reason to say AND, this is separating both trees as two distinct separate trees. Also if it was the same tree, it would have said something like this:
tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and which is also the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Thats how it would have been said if it was indeed the same tree. But it simply says the tree of life AND the tree of knowledge of good and evil, hence they are two different trees we have here.
We read from Genesis that God prohibited Adam from eating from one of the trees:
Genesis
Chapter 2
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[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So God forbids Adam from eating from the tree of good and evil. Eventually both him and Eve break this command:
Genesis
Chapter 3
KJV
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? [SUP]
12 [/SUP]And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
So they both eventually ate from the tree of good and evil.
Later on in the chapter we read:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. [SUP]
24 [/SUP]So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
So we now see what the tree of life is. The tree of life is a tree that if you eat from it, you will live forever! Can you believe that? What makes this more interesting is that Adam was free to eat from it! Remember earlier in Genesis we read:
Genesis
Chapter 2
KJV
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So note EVERY SINGLE TREE except the tree of good and evil is lawful to eat from, therefore this means Adam was allowed to go and eat from a tree that would have caused him to live forever! We only have to guess at what would have happened if Adam ate from that tree. We must always ask why would God allow Adam to eat from such a tree?
The problems dont end there, because notice at the ending of Genesis 3:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. [SUP]
24 [/SUP]So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Notice the major problem. God now realizes the tree of life is something dangerous for Adam to eat from, and God realizes it is a huge risk to allow Adam to eat from the tree, so he goes to such lengths as placing a flaming sword to guard the tree of life to make sure that no one eats from the tree of life!
So note, it took a sin from Adam to make God realize this major problem! If Adam had not committed the sin of eating from the tree of good and evil, God would have never guarded the tree of life from Adam and other people, so it had to take a sin from Adam to make God realize of what a major mistake and problem he had by placing such a tree for Adam to be allowed to eat from!
So this question arises, why did not God know the problems of placing such a tree in the midst of Eden, and allowing Adam to eat from it? Why did God not prohibit both the tree of life and the tree of good and evil? Why did it take a sin from Adam to realize the problem of having such a tree in the midst of Eden and free to eat from? Didnt God already know? It seems he did not, and he needed Adam to sin for him to realize the risk of placing a tree of life free to eat from!
Now in case people are getting confused and saying God prohibited Adam and Eve from eating from the tree! I am NOT TALKING about the tree that was prohibited, because remember, there are TWO trees, the tree of good and evil, which God prohibited to Adam and Eve, and the tree of life which God did not prohibit to Adam nor Eve.
Two trees:
1- The tree of good and evil, which was forbidden to eat from. The tree which both Eve and Adam ate from leading to their downfall.
2- the tree of life which was NOT forbidden to eat from, and if you did eat from it you would live forever!
So God had to have a sin make him realize the problem of putting a tree of life in the garden of Eden free to eat from, and we ask why? Isnt God all knowing? Why didnt God protect the tree of life with a flaming sword from the beginning before Adam and Eve sinned? Secondly, why would God place such a tree in Eden? Why would God place a tree that if you ate from it, would make you live forever, and you were allowed to eat from it!
So a lot of problems here. This all proves there are problems with the story of Genesis, and that the God of the Bible is not all-knowing.
So we must ask, which tree couldnt Adam and Eve eat from? Because both trees should have been banned from consumption! Not just the tree of good and evil.
Ishmael
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UTATA KATIKA KUUMBA DUNIA
Je, Allah aliumba Dunia kwa siku 6 au 8?
Katika somo letu la leo, tutajifunza kuhusu uumbaji wa Dunia. Allah wa Uislam, anasema kuwa yeye ni Mungu na aliumba Dunia na vitu vyote vilivyo ndani yake. Hebu tuanze somo letu kwa kusoma aya za Quran.
Allah anasema katika Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, na 25:59 kuwa, aliumba dunia kwa siku 6. Soma aya hizi hapa chini kwa ushaidi zaidi.
Quran 7:54. Hakika Mola Mlezi wenu ni Mwenyezi Mungu aliye ziumba mbingu na ardhi katika siku sita. Kisha akatawala juu ya Kiti cha Enzi. Huufunika usiku kwa mchana, ufuatao upesi upesi. Na jua, na mwezi, na nyota zinazo tumika kwa amri yake. Fahamuni! Kuumba na amri ni zake. Ametukuka kabisa Mwenyezi Mungu, Mola Mlezi wa viumbe vyote.
Surah 10: 3. Hakika Mola wenu Mlezi ni Mwenyezi Mungu, ambaye ameziumba mbingu na ardhi kwa siku sita, na ametawala kwenye ufalme wake, anaendesha mambo yote. Hapana mwombezi ila baada ya idhini yake. Huyo ndiye Mwenyezi Mungu, Mola wenu Mlezi. Basi muabuduni Yeye. Je! Hamkumbuki?
Lakini Ndugu zanguni, nilipo endelea kuchunguza Quran nikagundua kuwa, kumbe Allah alidanganya pale alipo sema kuwa aliumba Dunia kwa siku sita. Sasa ungana nami katika uchunguzi wa uumbaji wa dunia kama ulivyo wekwa kiuwazi zaidi kupitia Quran iliyo shushwa na Jibril.
Sasa tutasoma Surah ya 41: 9-12. Katika hizi aya tutakazo zisoma, utangudua kuwa Allah hakuumba Dunia kwa Siku 6 kama alivyo dai hapo mwanzoni.
HII AYA INASEMA ALLAH KAUMBA KWA SIKU MBILI (2)
Quran 41:9. Sema: Hivyo nyinyi mnamkataa aliye umba ardhi katika siku mbili, na mnamfanyia washirika? Huyu ndiye Mola Mlezi wa walimwengu wote.
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HAPA ALLAH ANAUNGANISHA MAWINGU NA ARDHI KWA SIKU NNE(4)
Quran 41:10. Na akaweka humo milima juu yake, na akabarikia humo na akakadiria humo chakula chake katika siku nne. Haya ni sawa kabisa kwa wanao uliza 11. Kisha akazielekea mbingu, na zilikuwa moshi, akaziambia hizo na ardhi: Njooni, kwa khiari au kwa nguvu! Vyote viwili vikasema: Tumekuja nasi ni wat'iifu.
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HAPA ALLAH ANAZITENGENEZA MBINGU KWA SIKU MBILI (2)
Quran 41:12. Basi akazifanya mbingu saba kwa siku mbili, na akazipangia kila mbingu mambo yake. Na tukaipamba mbingu ya chini kwa mataa na kwa ulinzi. Hichi ndicho kipimo cha Mwenyezi Mungu Mwenye Kujua.
HIZI ZOTE KWA PAMOJA NI SIKU NANE (8)
Siku mbili kwa ajili ya viumbe wa dunia, basi siku nne kujaza ardhi na milima baraka, na chakula kwa ajili ya wakazi wake wote, na mwisho kwa siku mbili zaidi ili kujenga mbingu saba na kujenga nyota yao. Hii inaongeza hadi 2 + 4 + 2 = siku 8 kinyume na siku 6 zilizotajwa katika aya nyingine.
NGOJA NIWEKE KWA UFUPI
Muundo ni wazi sana: Haya ni Matabaka Matatu ambayo ni umbaji chini hadi juu:
Quran 41:9*** Mbingu [angani, "dari" juu ya dunia] katika siku 2
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Quran 41:10*** BARAKA [kujaza dunia na kila kitu zinahitajika kwa ajili ya maisha] katika siku 4
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Quran 41:12***EARTH [msingi] kukamilika katika siku 2
Ndugu zanguni, hivi Allah alishindwa mahesabu au ndio kutuhakikishia kuwa yeye hakuwa Muumbaji? Kwanini Allah afanye makosa makumbwa namna hii? Leo Allah kwa mara nyingine tena ametuhakikishia kuwa yeye si Muumbaji. Uchaguzi ni wako, kufuata Allah asiye fahamu aliumba Dunia kwa Siku Ngapi au Jehova ambaye alisema aliumba Dunia kwa siku 6.
Katika huduma yake.
Max Shimba
For Max Shimba Ministries
Copyright © Max Shimba Ministries 2013
Je, Allah aliumba Dunia kwa siku 6 au 8?
Katika somo letu la leo, tutajifunza kuhusu uumbaji wa Dunia. Allah wa Uislam, anasema kuwa yeye ni Mungu na aliumba Dunia na vitu vyote vilivyo ndani yake. Hebu tuanze somo letu kwa kusoma aya za Quran.
Allah anasema katika Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, na 25:59 kuwa, aliumba dunia kwa siku 6. Soma aya hizi hapa chini kwa ushaidi zaidi.
Quran 7:54. Hakika Mola Mlezi wenu ni Mwenyezi Mungu aliye ziumba mbingu na ardhi katika siku sita. Kisha akatawala juu ya Kiti cha Enzi. Huufunika usiku kwa mchana, ufuatao upesi upesi. Na jua, na mwezi, na nyota zinazo tumika kwa amri yake. Fahamuni! Kuumba na amri ni zake. Ametukuka kabisa Mwenyezi Mungu, Mola Mlezi wa viumbe vyote.
Surah 10: 3. Hakika Mola wenu Mlezi ni Mwenyezi Mungu, ambaye ameziumba mbingu na ardhi kwa siku sita, na ametawala kwenye ufalme wake, anaendesha mambo yote. Hapana mwombezi ila baada ya idhini yake. Huyo ndiye Mwenyezi Mungu, Mola wenu Mlezi. Basi muabuduni Yeye. Je! Hamkumbuki?
Lakini Ndugu zanguni, nilipo endelea kuchunguza Quran nikagundua kuwa, kumbe Allah alidanganya pale alipo sema kuwa aliumba Dunia kwa siku sita. Sasa ungana nami katika uchunguzi wa uumbaji wa dunia kama ulivyo wekwa kiuwazi zaidi kupitia Quran iliyo shushwa na Jibril.
Sasa tutasoma Surah ya 41: 9-12. Katika hizi aya tutakazo zisoma, utangudua kuwa Allah hakuumba Dunia kwa Siku 6 kama alivyo dai hapo mwanzoni.
HII AYA INASEMA ALLAH KAUMBA KWA SIKU MBILI (2)
Quran 41:9. Sema: Hivyo nyinyi mnamkataa aliye umba ardhi katika siku mbili, na mnamfanyia washirika? Huyu ndiye Mola Mlezi wa walimwengu wote.
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HAPA ALLAH ANAUNGANISHA MAWINGU NA ARDHI KWA SIKU NNE(4)
Quran 41:10. Na akaweka humo milima juu yake, na akabarikia humo na akakadiria humo chakula chake katika siku nne. Haya ni sawa kabisa kwa wanao uliza 11. Kisha akazielekea mbingu, na zilikuwa moshi, akaziambia hizo na ardhi: Njooni, kwa khiari au kwa nguvu! Vyote viwili vikasema: Tumekuja nasi ni wat'iifu.
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HAPA ALLAH ANAZITENGENEZA MBINGU KWA SIKU MBILI (2)
Quran 41:12. Basi akazifanya mbingu saba kwa siku mbili, na akazipangia kila mbingu mambo yake. Na tukaipamba mbingu ya chini kwa mataa na kwa ulinzi. Hichi ndicho kipimo cha Mwenyezi Mungu Mwenye Kujua.
HIZI ZOTE KWA PAMOJA NI SIKU NANE (8)
Siku mbili kwa ajili ya viumbe wa dunia, basi siku nne kujaza ardhi na milima baraka, na chakula kwa ajili ya wakazi wake wote, na mwisho kwa siku mbili zaidi ili kujenga mbingu saba na kujenga nyota yao. Hii inaongeza hadi 2 + 4 + 2 = siku 8 kinyume na siku 6 zilizotajwa katika aya nyingine.
NGOJA NIWEKE KWA UFUPI
Muundo ni wazi sana: Haya ni Matabaka Matatu ambayo ni umbaji chini hadi juu:
Quran 41:9*** Mbingu [angani, "dari" juu ya dunia] katika siku 2
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Quran 41:10*** BARAKA [kujaza dunia na kila kitu zinahitajika kwa ajili ya maisha] katika siku 4
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Quran 41:12***EARTH [msingi] kukamilika katika siku 2
Ndugu zanguni, hivi Allah alishindwa mahesabu au ndio kutuhakikishia kuwa yeye hakuwa Muumbaji? Kwanini Allah afanye makosa makumbwa namna hii? Leo Allah kwa mara nyingine tena ametuhakikishia kuwa yeye si Muumbaji. Uchaguzi ni wako, kufuata Allah asiye fahamu aliumba Dunia kwa Siku Ngapi au Jehova ambaye alisema aliumba Dunia kwa siku 6.
Katika huduma yake.
Max Shimba
For Max Shimba Ministries
Copyright © Max Shimba Ministries 2013