East African Federation (EAF) public Views

[nomasana]

Wishful thinking!!!

We are all cut from the same clothe, the sooner you accept the better for you. Remove that head that you have buried in the sand/ground...usiwe kama mbuni. Nobody is any better than the other.

Every one is searching for that crock of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I am amused and amazed at some of the postings about EAC in here.

For you TZedians who strongly oppose the EAC go tell your MP and stop wasting your time posting it in here coz it does not have an impact at all...people just write, wakishamaliza kuandika wanaenda kulala.

When they wake-up they whine some more about EAC. Nothing is achieved. If you feel so strongly about go and lobby it your bunge and stop chest thumping.

thank you thank you thank you!!! i have been telling these tanzanians that they can do nothing about the EAC unless they take to the streets and march and let their govt know that they do not want the EAC. BUT then again tanzanians are too lazy and timid to bother with protesting and when they vote they keep voting for the same guys with the same ideologies.

 

[Abdulhalim]

thank you thank you thank you!!! i have been telling these tanzanians that they can do nothing about the EAC unless they take to the streets and march and let their govt know that they do not want the EAC. BUT then again tanzanians are too lazy and timid to bother with protesting and when they vote they keep voting for the same guys with the same ideologies.

On theother hand , Kenyans are too stupid to accept someone who lost election to continue to be their Presidaa..sasa nani zaidi?

 

[Nyaralego]

On theother hand , Kenyans are too stupid to accept someone who lost election to continue to be their Presidaa..sasa nani zaidi?

Why can you not have a sensible argument?...mbona matusi kila mara? stupid ni wewe!!! NKT

 

[RealDeal]

On the other hand , Kenyans are too stupid to accept someone who lost election to continue to be their Presidaa..sasa nani zaidi?

If there are Kenyans in this forum, please avoid arguing these guys. You are just degrading yourselves. At the end of it all, you find that both Kenyans and Tanzanians have weaknesses, but TZ are just lazy as a matter of fact. And I believe EAC is there to rescue them, but then again they just not smart enough to grasp the opportunities. All they do is just call people stupid while in the real sense, they are both stupid and lazy. Damn.

 

[moyo]

If it was our Nyerere's project, how did he end up coining the name 'Nyang'au' reffering to hypocrite Kenyans. That's was his favorite word for Kenyans, do u wht it means? Donating land isn't an issue, we have our strategies as well, as the ones you had when you broke the first EAC. A thing is, you don't give any attention to all your neighbors but Tanzania. Kama kweli nyie ni true panafricanist, mbona hamko excited na Somalia, Sudan na Ethiopia sana. Mnataka ku-export ujinga wenu wa kikabila na wizi na kuchinjana kuja kwetu, nothing new. We follow closely what goes on in your country..that country is filthy. You seem to be interested more on economic gains, lakini ujue siasa na mtangamano lazima viwe pamoja. Hakuna uchumi bila amani! Je kwenye ukombozi wa bara la Afrika, nyie mlijitolea nini? When were fighting Kaburu you were helping them together with the likes of Kamuzu Hastings Banda. How can we trust you then?

I agree with you that we cant have any sound development without peace even though you sound bitte,r why!! we do not have ujinga bro,we have the smartest and the best brains on the continent.It is good how you follow closely what happens here hope that benefits you,all that we are after is economic gains but our unity as a community is very important,you keep on bragging about ukombozi la bara la africa,can you educate me on that?We have great interests in Ethiopia and S.Sudan,do you realise we are already fighting for the independence of S.sudan in next years referendum! palns are underway to build a modern rail and road network from Mombasa and Juba/Moyale plus a new port in Lamu to serve Ethiopia and S.Sudan!this are Big markets we cant ignore si ati we desparately need you,you are a neccessary evil.
One thig for sure we will liberate you and the rest of Africa from the economic slavery,we will start with EAC.

 

[moyo]

I pity you,you need serious prayers...

 

[RealDeal]

You don't have to display your foolishness and lack of self-respect buddy. Behave!!!

 

[Abdulhalim]

If there are Kenyans in this forum, please avoid arguing these guys. You are just degrading yourselves. At the end of it all, you find that both Kenyans and Tanzanians have weaknesses, but TZ are just lazy as a matter of fact. And I believe EAC is there to rescue them, but then again they just not smart enough to grasp the opportunities. All they do is just call people stupid while in the real sense, they are both stupid and lazy. Damn.

#1,
I have just demonstrated how Kenyans are more stupid. Check the post u replied.

#2,
Now demonstrate to me HOW tz are lazy. Usilete maneno ya jumla. I have come with a tangible proof (ref. #1).

 

[Abdulhalim]

Trash the way you wanna trash, troll the way you wanna troll etc etc, i guess you actually wanted to say "sit your butt down when i troll" right?

Now, could you please cut the troll and give us some views on EAC now please.

I have countless comments in this forum about EAC. Use search tool to find them all, I mean if u r interested.

 

[RealDeal]

Bwe he he..give a lessons on rational thinking and common sense? to who? puliiz give me a break.

I posts stuff really sporadically depending on subject and audience, so don't expect ukileta shubiri nitakupa peremende. No way.

BTW, news flash, don't pamper urself with self-absorbed high self-thinking...U CAN'T TEACH ME NUTHIN kwa sababu probably nimekuzidi ELIMU na MAARIFA. So save those similar comment to urself.

Of course, the word is Probably, just like you put it.

Benefits of trade blocs:
1. Transaction costs will be eliminated.
2. Price transparency.
3. Uncertainty caused by Exchange rate fluctuations eliminated.
and finally, to cut all pending worries:
4. Single currency in single market makes sense.

These are the facts for those doubting that a certain country might benefit than the other. Let's embrace the EAC East Africans.

 

[Koba]

.....ha ahaha ahaha you start acting childish now and sound like you dont even know what you re talking about,EAC is here and its official na kelele zako hazina maana and will never change a thing about EAC

Mwapachu akikata cake ya EAC iliyolembwalembwa kwa bendera za EAC kukaribisha US ambassador(michuzi blog)

 

[Koba]

Bwe he he..give a lessons on rational thinking and common sense? to who? puliiz give me a break.

I posts stuff really sporadically depending on subject and audience, so don't expect ukileta shubiri nitakupa peremende. No way.

BTW, news flash, don't pamper urself with self-absorbed high self-thinking...U CAN'T TEACH ME NUTHIN kwa sababu probably nimekuzidi ELIMU na MAARIFA. So save those similar comment to urself.

Angalia wanaume hapo sio kutupotezea muda tuu na taarabu zako zisizo na maana yeyote
YouTube - East Africa Report - Progress on East Africa Community Protocol

 

[Abdulhalim]

Of course, the word is Probably, just like you put it.

Benefits of trade blocs:
1. Transaction costs will be eliminated.
2. Price transparency.
3. Uncertainty caused by Exchange rate fluctuations eliminated.
and finally, to cut all pending worries:
4. Single currency in single market makes sense.

These are the facts for those doubting that a certain country might benefit than the other. Let's embrace the EAC East Africans.

The first thing i would contest is the fact that market economy is not a way forward. Realists have warned about this already. Basically I'm against any economic system whcih suggests market economy. Thats is my general view, globally not only on EAC.

Tukija kwa EAC,
It is funny the most common apologia we get from the proponents of EAC is usually very weak..and u just demonstrated. Most of the reasons given are blind and not cutting.

Here is the truth and the truth is simple, EAC is pimped and orchestrated by the West and those guys with big investment in pursuit to secure cheap raw materials, markets and cheap labor from the region, particularly our beloved Tz. The idea of EAC is not demand-driven by the common citizens, particularly here in Tz, which speak volumes so to speak. The implication is simple, majority of the common poverty-ridden masses will not be the key players and they will never benefit at all. Their role will restricted into spectators only. We don't need to go beyond the borders to seek for vivid exemplification, that our people will not benefit from small scale globalization, Tz is .

Its evident with 'heavy' foreign investment in mining industries and other sectors, within past decade, no tangible progress have been achieved. The country has fallen deeper into debts and its budgetary dependence is worsening. Medium and small businesses are stagnant if not decaying .No serious manufacturing is done, traders are reduced into petty trading of used goods and substandards items from China et al, which the common mwananchi can afford.

Sasa niambie EAC itaja na jawabu gani kwenye key issues kama hizo?

 

[Eric Cartman]

.....ha ahaha ahaha


Mwapachu akikata cake ya EAC iliyolembwalembwa kwa bendera za EAC kukaribisha US ambassador(michuzi blog)

Im not suprised ni mtu mweusi aliekuwa akimchapa mwenzake mjeledi enzi za utumwa in africa, the next generation born into slavery and even during colonial times in Africa. Hiyo miradi yenu ya Tusker na siagi ambayo mmezoea kuipitishia milima ya upareni kukwepa ushuru msitake kutuuzia nchi yetu.

Kwanza when they open the borders wote nyie mtamalizwa na main corporates na hizo kelele zenu. Tanzania itazidi pata wimbi la watu from all the corners of the Union and that is not your concern only you care about is ur Tusker na magodoro yako. Embu acha njaa na kujifikiria mwenyewe selfish nigga.

 

[Abdulhalim]

Br.Juma, huyo Koba ni house ni99er, he will do anything for the mzunguz. Ni bootlicker mkubwa wa Kagame, pengine for ethnicity reasons or/and just b'se of the force of house-ni99ering, simply because Kagame anaimbiwa mapambio na West, probably ndio waliofinance bloody pursuit of power ya RPF, ambayo walienda nayo mpaka DRC na kuchukua dola kule.

Sasa allow me nimetoe kwene ignore list kwa muda ili nijibu upupu wake.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Go ahead kaka, kumbe muda wote ulikua anaongea tuu kwakuwa alikuwa kwenye ignore list yako nishangae. Ebu mshughulikie we do not need white chocolate amongst us, chui avae ngozi yake tu na aangaliwe kama chui wengine.

 

[Abdulhalim]

Wazo la leo: Kama ulipitia skuli za Tz, tulikuwa tunajifunza kule shule za awali, kwamba wakoloni at one stage waliamua kutumia mbinu ya kuongoza kwa kutumia proxies(machifu na viongozi wa kijadi). Hii iliwapunguzia resistance na pia kuepa gharama za kiuendeshaji na mambo kama hayo. Go and figure.

 

[eliakeem]

The first thing i would contest is the fact that market economy is not a way forward. Realists have warned about this already. Basically I'm against any economic system whcih suggests market economy. Thats is my general view, globally not only on EAC.

Tukija kwa EAC,
It is funny the most common apologia we get from the proponents of EAC is usually very weak..and u just demonstrated. Most of the reasons given are blind and not cutting.

Here is the truth and the truth is simple, EAC is pimped and orchestrated by the West and those guys with big investment in pursuit to secure cheap raw materials, markets and cheap labor from the region, particularly our beloved Tz. The idea of EAC is not demand-driven by the common citizens, particularly here in Tz, which speak volumes so to speak. The implication is simple, majority of the common poverty-ridden masses will not be the key players and they will never benefit at all. Their role will restricted into spectators only. We don't need to go beyond the borders to seek for vivid exemplification, that our people will not benefit from small scale globalization, Tz is .

Its evident with 'heavy' foreign investment in mining industries and other sectors, within past decade, no tangible progress have been achieved. The country has fallen deeper into debts and its budgetary dependence is worsening. Medium and small businesses are stagnant if not decaying .No serious manufacturing is done, traders are reduced into petty trading of used goods and substandards items from China et al, which the common mwananchi can afford.

Sasa niambie EAC itaja na jawabu gani kwenye key issues kama hizo?

Bro Abdulhalim, thanks for you brief, sound, seasoned, learned discourse.
We Tzedians thinks very broad, that is why we are termed as a conscience of africa. But for our northern neighbour these words are vocabulary for them because are not in their books, in their dictionary, culture, in their social contract. And if you ask those proponents of eac the issues of security, money laundering, drugs, human trafficking, illegal weapons etc, how the eac is going to address them. No one give the satisfying arguments. they give blah, blah.

We understand for sure that we (as Tzians) are surrounded by untamed countries. The countries which have untouchable (some) members of public, pointing LRA, MUNGIKI, as example. But in eac all these are overlooked and forgotten, every one is talking about movement of capital, labour, tax relief, etc, etc. Remember, if there is no peace and tranquility those movements you are cheering of, will be the day dream.
Again Let me pass my Gratitude to my brother Abdulhalim.
I remain.
Eliakem.

 

[RealDeal]

The first thing i would contest is the fact that market economy is not a way forward. Realists have warned about this already. Basically I'm against any economic system whcih suggests market economy. Thats is my general view, globally not only on EAC.

Tukija kwa EAC,
It is funny the most common apologia we get from the proponents of EAC is usually very weak..and u just demonstrated. Most of the reasons given are blind and not cutting.

Here is the truth and the truth is simple, EAC is pimped and orchestrated by the West and those guys with big investment in pursuit to secure cheap raw materials, markets and cheap labor from the region, particularly our beloved Tz. The idea of EAC is not demand-driven by the common citizens, particularly here in Tz, which speak volumes so to speak. The implication is simple, majority of the common poverty-ridden masses will not be the key players and they will never benefit at all. Their role will restricted into spectators only. We don't need to go beyond the borders to seek for vivid exemplification, that our people will not benefit from small scale globalization, Tz is .

Its evident with 'heavy' foreign investment in mining industries and other sectors, within past decade, no tangible progress have been achieved. The country has fallen deeper into debts and its budgetary dependence is worsening. Medium and small businesses are stagnant if not decaying .No serious manufacturing is done, traders are reduced into petty trading of used goods and substandards items from China et al, which the common mwananchi can afford.

Sasa niambie EAC itaja na jawabu gani kwenye key issues kama hizo?

Okay, I get your point. But then again, it's obvious that the common mwananchi is going not to benefit directly, the process will be gradual. That's how economies work. For instance, when markets are opened, that means that traders are able to go directly to the market and sell their products (this case applies to both tangible commodities and services). A country like Tanzania is very rich with natural resources (well, even skilled personnel exist) in abundance. So what really matters is the policies and strategy that will be put to ensure that traders are not deprived. So, saying that the masses will not benefit at all is not true.
Secondly, as i have said, it will depend on the policies that your country will have on foreign investors that will gauge how much you benefit. I believe EAF will largely be focusing on EA countries, so that does not affect other foreign investors in any way, as in they can invest whether EAF exists or not (because that is what is happening currently).

 

[RealDeal]

Bro Abdulhalim, thanks for you brief, sound, seasoned, learned discourse.
We Tzedians thinks very broad, that is why we are termed as a conscience of africa. But for our northern neighbour these words are vocabulary for them because are not in their books, in their dictionary, culture, in their social contract. And if you ask those proponents of eac the issues of security, money laundering, drugs, human trafficking, illegal weapons etc, how the eac is going to address them. No one give the satisfying arguments. they give blah, blah.

We understand for sure that we (as Tzians) are surrounded by untamed countries. The countries which have untouchable (some) members of public, pointing LRA, MUNGIKI, as example. But in eac all these are overlooked and forgotten, every one is talking about movement of capital, labour, tax relief, etc, etc. Remember, if there is no peace and tranquility those movements you are cheering of, will be the day dream.
Again Let me pass my Gratitude to my brother Abdulhalim.
I remain.
Eliakem.

Okay bro, i get you, completely. But please, let's be serious for a moment.

I believe that every country has it's weaknesses, it's mad people, hooligans, etc etc.. so let's not drag that matter into the forum. You should not be afraid of such issues because EAF is not about exchange of slain culture, it's about trade and nothing but trade.