If God knows the future (omniscient), can you change your destiny?

[Kiranga]

Ishmael
I have already addressed your query on the miracles in the previous pages. you never bothered to quote and reply.

this is OFFICIALLY, TRULY, my last post, repeating that, unfortunately I cannot discuss with you Ishmael and your followers, who apparently can fathom the "illogical". (double you tee ef??) Not only that, but dare use logic to back their claims.

Kwa watu mnaosoma na kweli kuelewa maan ya logic, wataelewa. Mkuu wa kanisa Ishmael asiwadanganye as far as logic and understanding God is concerned.


****and dont you guys just like the way Ishmael fills the whole page unecessarily repeating the same things and kuongeza pages?? sometimes i feel like anafanya hivyo ili comments za wengine zisionekane. Good Job.....

This guy is further proof that an omnipotent, omniscient, omni benevolent and omnipresent godhead does not exist.

For had he existed, how could this godhead have created such a crude, ignorant, graceless and rude being?

 

[Mtangoo]

This guy is further proof that an omnipotent, omniscient, omni benevolent and omnipresent godhead does not exist.

For had he existed, how could this godhead have created such a crude, ignorant, graceless and rude being?

Dumbest post ever!

 

[ndileki]

Akijua nitakachofanya kabla sijakifanya, na kama alichojua nitafanya siwezi kukibadilisha, sina freewill.

Nikiwa na freewill, hawezi kujua nitakachofanya kabla sijakifanya.

Freewill and gods perfect knowledge cannot mix.

This mixing is a contradiction.

Kwa. Hyo mkuu kama hamna freewill Mungu anajua teari idadi ya watu watakao enda motoni na peponi?? Kama hamna freewill kwa nini Mungu kaumba mema na mabaya??
4 my point I view I thnk God knw everythng aabout us but gives you an option to say Yes or No still he knws wht will happen if you choose Yes or No

 

[Kiranga]

Dumbest post ever!

Further evidence pointing to the nonexistence of the abovesaid godhead.

If a loving, all knowing, all capable godhead exists, why would he create the possibility of dumb people to exist if he could easily create a universe in which dumb people cannot exist?

 

[Kiranga]

Kwa. Hyo mkuu kama hamna freewill Mungu anajua teari idadi ya watu watakao enda motoni na peponi?? Kama hamna freewill kwa nini Mungu kaumba mema na mabaya??
4 my point I view I thnk God knw everythng aabout us but gives you an option to say Yes or No still he knws wht will happen if you choose Yes or No

If god knows everything, you have no option to choose yes or no.

If you have the option to choose yea or no, god does not know everything.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Ishmael]

Ishmael
I have already addressed your query on the miracles in the previous pages. you never bothered to quote and reply.

this is OFFICIALLY, TRULY, my last post, repeating that, unfortunately I cannot discuss with you Ishmael and your followers, who apparently can fathom the "illogical". (double you tee ef??) Not only that, but dare use logic to back their claims.

Kwa watu mnaosoma na kweli kuelewa maan ya logic, wataelewa. Mkuu wa kanisa Ishmael asiwadanganye as far as logic and understanding God is concerned.


****and dont you guys just like the way Ishmael fills the whole page unecessarily repeating the same things and kuongeza pages?? sometimes i feel like anafanya hivyo ili comments za wengine zisionekane. Good Job.....

Back to the Logic. It seems you love logic although you are not applying same in your replies, to wit. Although you don't want to consent that (1) Fallible Logic is part of the Creation, while (2)Infallible God is the Creator. Example: Can a non theist prove to me logically that God does not exist?

Logic is not attributable to one being or concept. It is only attributable to the relationship between two or more concepts or arguments. Unless you can prove to me that you are now a deity and at par with God, then I will agree with your thesis of celestial logic.

Wherefore, the laws of mathematics are universal, regardless of who you are, or what language one speaks or what dimension you are in, inter-alia, Mathematics itself is multidimensional and is the guiding force behind String Theory. Mathematics is transcendent and immutable.

Mathematics is built on logic, and is an extension of logic. Here is the problem, God can practically change laws of Mathematics/logic. My prior exhibit of Five Loaves of Bread together with 2 Pcs of Fish fed 5000 people it is illogical and hold not watertight, but God did it. How is that logical to you? Another example is this: How can The Father God, The God Son and The Holy Spirit "ARE" ONE and yet are separate? Muhammadans comprehend not. Where is the logic in Trinity?

Look at this: Jesus is in Heaven according to the infallible Word yet He is in you and Omnipresent? So, why are we saying that Jesus is in Heaven while He said when 2 or 3 Meet together is in our midst? Where is the logic here?

The laws of logic does not apply to God, because God is above it and can challenge science and logic is not exempted. If the laws of logic applied to God, then God would be scientific like us humans. Being scientific is not an attribute of God and is not Godly. You wouldn't expect God to be scientific, and have logical thoughts like us. The thing is that God is above human comprehension/logic, that people think there's a scientific explanation to prove that there's no God, yet they can not, inter-alia, God is Omniscient, that we humans can't imagine it.

I will finish with Isaiah 55: 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my waysdeclares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[Ishmael]

This guy is further proof that an omnipotent, omniscient, omni benevolent and omnipresent godhead does not exist.

For had he existed, how could this godhead have created such a crude, ignorant, graceless and rude being?

You son of the devil, respect yourself. You can't even handle me. You have been changing names from Pundit, Bluray, etc etc, and you will run away from this one too.

 

[IGWE]

You son of the devil, respect yourself. You can't even handle me. You have been changing names from Pundit, Bluray, etc etc, and you will run away from this one too.

Bogus post.....

 

[Mtangoo]

Further evidence pointing to the nonexistence of the abovesaid godhead.

If a loving, all knowing, all capable godhead exists, why would he create the possibility of dumb people to exist if he could easily create a universe in which dumb people cannot exist?

You are too blind to see, too dumb to hear. You are willingly ignorant and for such a person, teaching wisdom is waste of time. So why would I waste my time showing you light with your eyes purposely closed?

Its just useless!

 

[Ishmael]

Further evidence pointing to the nonexistence of the abovesaid godhead.

If a loving, all knowing, all capable godhead exists, why would he create the possibility of dumb people to exist if he could easily create a universe in which dumb people cannot exist?

If god knows everything, you have no option to choose yes or no.

If you have the option to choose yea or no, god does not know everything.

You can't have it both ways.

Dumbest post from a dumber.

The "IF's'" assumptions 101

 

[Ishmael]

Bogus post.....

Birth pangs to Pundit, Bluray Brooklyn how about that aka Kiranga

 

[schizoid-man]

You are too blind to see, too dumb to hear. You are willingly ignorant and for such a person, teaching wisdom is waste of time. So why would I waste my time showing you light with your eyes purposely closed?

Its just useless!

exactly what I have been trying to tell him.

 

[IGWE]

Birth pangs to Pundit, Bluray Brooklyn how about that aka Kiranga

Wewe jamaa hauna hoja kabisa,..umekariri kariri tu vitu vya sunday school.

 

[Ishmael]

Wewe jamaa hauna hoja kabisa,..umekariri kariri tu vitu vya sunday school.

Hii ndio hoja kwako. VERY DUMB

By Kiranga
I am allergic to belief.

I would rather know, thank you very much.
HUYOOOOO kesha anza kuonyesha tatizo katika UONGO WAKE WA ALLERGY

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By Kiranga
Inherently I do not have a problem with faith.
Here is where some choose to have total faith in an invisible god while others choose to have only a minimal amountn of faithbased on.rationality and gradually converge towards knowledge.

 

[schizoid-man]

Birth pangs to Pundit, Bluray Brooklyn how about that aka Kiranga

don't tell me he has several JF ids, haha

 

[kholo]

If god knows everything, you have no option to choose yes or no.

If you have the option to choose yea or no, god does not know everything.

You can't have it both ways.

Duh! Hapa kiranga umechemka ninoma, staki kuamini kwamba hujui maana ya free will au labda umepost bila kuelewa unachopost sabab ya swaum kali, futuru kwanza bro.

 

[Kiranga]

don't tell me he has several JF ids, haha

This guy is justvprojecting his own tactics towards others. Mara aje kama Ishmael, mara aje kama Schiendler na mengine mengi.

One has only to look at the gibberish he is posting to see that all these ids belong to the same person.

Bottom line ni kwamba, hata baada ya ids zote hizo na projection hii, hajaweza ku prove kwamba mungu yupo.

 

[Kiranga]

Duh! Hapa kiranga umechemka ninoma, staki kuamini kwamba hujui maana ya free will au labda umepost bila kuelewa unachopost sabab ya swaum kali, futuru kwanza bro.

Nimeandika haya mambo humu kwa miaka kadhaa.

Mpaka kitabu cha "Philosophy of Religion: An Anthology" nimekiweka hapa wenye utashi wasome wapate kuzungumza kwa elimu.

Sasa wewe unaambiwa mungu kashayajua maisha yako yote, tangu unazaliwa mpaka unakufa. Kabla wewe hujazaliwa.

Ina maana kama kuna siku.uliiba, alijua kwamba utaiba kabla hata wewe hujazaliwa.

Na kwa kuwa anachojua yeye hakiwezekani kubadilishwa, free will inakuwepoje hapo wakati wewe huna uwezo wa.kuepuka kila alichojua utafanya?

Kama mungu kajua tarehe 28 July 2014 mtu fulani ataiba, kabla hata mtu huyo hajazaliwa, mtu huyo anaweza kuepuka kuiba kwenye yarehe hiyo?

Akiepuka kuiba (kwa kutumia freewill) hilo si litamaanisha kwamba kam prove mungu wrong? Kwamba mungu alijua jamaa ataiba, ila jamaa hakuiba.

Unaona jinsi gani free will ya binadamu haiwezi kwendana na uwezo wa mungu kujua yote?

Mungu akijua yote, binadamu hana freewill.

Binadamu akiwa na freewill, mungu hajui vyote.

Huwezi kuwa navyo viwili hivi pamoja bila ya some sort of "deus ex machina".

 

[Eiyer]

This guy is justvprojecting his own tactics towards others. Mara aje kama Ishmael, mara aje kama Schiendler na mengine mengi.

One has only to look at the gibberish he is posting to see that all these ids belong to the same person.

Bottom line ni kwamba, hata baada ya ids zote hizo na projection hii, hajaweza ku prove kwamba mungu yupo.

Wewe ume prove nini?

 

[Ishmael]

This guy is justvprojecting his own tactics towards others. Mara aje kama Ishmael, mara aje kama Schiendler na mengine mengi.

One has only to look at the gibberish he is posting to see that all these ids belong to the same person.

Bottom line ni kwamba, hata baada ya ids zote hizo na projection hii, hajaweza ku prove kwamba mungu yupo.

You know why you abandoned your ID'S Pundit, Bluray Brooklyn etc sasa unatumia IGNORE LIST